Complex / layered music

[Crispy]

Ok first proper thread

Do you find as an INTP that you find yourself drawn to complex or unusual music such as electronica , jazz,classical, music of that nature and structure?

I find personelly that I have always been drawn to music that seems out of this world or very electic and layered, like not the kind of songs you hum along to on the radio but the kind of songs that when you hear them you hear something new or original about the song. My favioute artists that I like to listen to are probably aphex twin, squarepusher and other simliar electronic artists and I always find that I get a lot more satisfaction out of the sometimess complex alien sounding music they make than say a normal 3 minute pop song, like the music they make is the music iv'e always been drawn to.

I think I like this kind of music becasue it sounds so well defined and made, like a painting would be like an artist, the sounds they make seem to form a picture in the mind but still there is always something fresh and new that I may not have heard before, like a sense of always discovering something new within a song on every listen.

Any thoughts?

[Edmond Zedo]

You should hang out with that crooked-ass bastard Paul James, lol. I like extremely simple and extremely complex music equally. Other aspects must matter more to my subconscious. I love the music I love.

[jetboots]

I am all about layered music. its as if all the sudden with another layer to the existing 6 creates another superlayer which builts its own sound. sir, i like it a lot.

The downright king of layering is Orb as well as Bottleskup Flankaninmike. The later of the 2 is much much more underground. His album is worth a listen, its called "Looks like Jello, smells like pee", deep deep ass layering.

sir,... i like it.

[Polystom]

Eh, I'll just list. You're capable of forming your own opinions.

Steve Reich: Music for 18 Musicians, New York Counterpoint
Shostakovich: 3rd/5th/11th symphonies, piano concerto no. 2
Icarus: Squid Ink, I Tweet the Birdy Electric
Susumu Yokota: Grinning Cat, Sakura
Mum: Finally We Are No One
Stravinsky: The Firebird
Debussy: Pour le Piano, Images I & II, En Blanc et Noir trio, 12 Etudes
Howard Shore: The Cell original soundtrack
Schubert: piano sonata no. 17

[Edmond Zedo]

No, no, Kraftwerk is the Original King of Layering (Among other things). Just listen to "Ohm Sweet Ohm" from 1976.

[Crispy]

Oh yes kraftwek, one of my favioute groups ever I heard them first when I head the man machine album when I was about 10 , The album was my first intoduction to synthersised electronic music and defnitally left an impression on me, i still often lisetn to the tape I have of man machine

Kraftwek are de masters.

[Crispy]

Bottleskup Flankaninmike

I haven't heard of this artist, I'll google him and try and find a song on soulseek.

[Kouldhpoeppre]

I like layered music, but also very simple vocal music. New Age electronica like Enigma is one of my favorite genres. Enya's music has overdubbed vocals and she plays nearly every instrument herself, which I admire. The only Aphex Twin song I'm familiar with is Rhubarb (very good).
I'm also attracted to simple music though, like Secret Garden, James Taylor, and Simon and Garfunkel, or Renaissance a capella choral pieces.

[Crispy]

I like layered music, but also very simple vocal music.

Yeh layered music is my favioute music but I still have time for normal vocal guitars kind music


The only Aphex Twin song I'm familiar with is Rhubarb

If you like ambient style music you should get your hands on a copy of selected ambient works vol 2, its a fantastic piece of work and he creates a lot of mellow but also chilling sinister moods on the cd, its like a journey from start to end, and is also a double cd (bonus)

[bmw318tiChic]

^ I like Simon and Garfunkel and Enigma too.. I think I'll listen to Enigma to fall asleep tonight.


Oops, I replied too late. I was referring to Kouldhpoeppre's post.

[Kouldhpoeppre]

I like your avatar, BMW. That's one of my favorite S&G songs.

[lexiphanic]

I used to be all about layers, but you can layer in many many different ways I've found.

One of the odd classics is DJ Jean, the launch. After listening to it umpteen times, I noticed that the crowd cheering in the background has it's own little melody. Cool stuff.

[glassmoon]

How about Captain Beefheart, Sigur Ros, Dream Theater?..

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

I like Hans Zimmer.

It's not layered or complex, but utterly emotional. I think my nostalgia department is overiding the NT department. :D

[Crispy]

Ok so it would seem a few people here like layered and complex music , but why do you think this is? What is it you think about an INTP personality that may attract one to layered/compelx music, the anyaltical factor maybe?

[cosmic06]

Wow! I am so glad to know some people know of and like Enigma! I was just playing the sheet music from the Cross of Changes album on the piano today.
My music preferences are very different compared to almost everyone I know. Most music I like doesn't fall into a genre. "Normal" stuff typically turns me off. I like music that has nifty instrumental type stuff. I also have a tendency to like minor keys.

[jimkopelli]

I appreciate musicianship.

Anyone heard of Porcupine Tree?

[Warrior413]

I listen to very complex music, my favorites tend to be electronica from other countries. I don't mind classical but jazz is somewhat annoying to me.

[misutii]

ok... i'm usually hesitant to do this but i will let you in a little secret that's wowed me...

http://m10m.netfirms.com/dialogue%20symphonie%20cover.jpg

http://m10m.netfirms.com/dialogue%20symphonie%20cover.jpg if image doesn't work

this is a japanese 'visual-kei' band, i usually don't tell people about my interest in this genre because they're quick to label it as 'goth' or whatever. In reality it is a whole different subculture that exists pretty much only in Japan. The person in the picture is actually a man... and the musician i respect most. Despite his narcissistic tendencies he is very introverted... also strangely it is girls who attend concerts by this band......
As for a description of the music please listen to it yourself, atleast one song before you judge. It is VERY layered... i'd describe it as a combination between Bach and maybe Nine Inch Nails.... that's right harpischords and electronics mixed in with electronic guitars, drums and operatic vocals...
if you can download:

Moi dix Mois ~ Dialogue Symphonie (my favourite)
Moi dix Mois ~ Ange
Moi dix Mois ~ Pessimiste
Moi dix Mois ~ Shadows Temple

I don't know if i can attach mp3s here to download? Anyways i just ask that you give it a chance before judging... i know it's weird but so are we...

[nBT]

dream theater
stereolab
steve reich
kyoto jazz massive
moby (bit boring)
mike oldfield (long compo's. Amarok esp.)
sigur ros
alan parsons (great lyrics)
bach
chopin
stravinsky - rite of spring
then some latin jazz for pure energy

not only layers to discover but also 'gears' and transitions. with gears i mean one pattern taking over another but in second gear.

[luzian]

Ok first proper thread

Do you find as an INTP that you find yourself drawn to complex or unusual music such as electronica , jazz,classical, music of that nature and structure?

I find personelly that I have always been drawn to music that seems out of this world or very electic and layered, like not the kind of songs you hum along to on the radio but the kind of songs that when you hear them you hear something new or original about the song. My favioute artists that I like to listen to are probably aphex twin, squarepusher and other simliar electronic artists and I always find that I get a lot more satisfaction out of the sometimess complex alien sounding music they make than say a normal 3 minute pop song, like the music they make is the music iv'e always been drawn to.

I think I like this kind of music becasue it sounds so well defined and made, like a painting would be like an artist, the sounds they make seem to form a picture in the mind but still there is always something fresh and new that I may not have heard before, like a sense of always discovering something new within a song on every listen.

Any thoughts?
I like a wide range of music, each type for a different reason.
The complex songs I like to "drown" in, it's stimulating.

[Jennywocky]

It depends on my mood, I guess.

Sometimes when I need structure, Bach is in.
Grandiosity = opera

And other times I'm in the mood for things like Don Davis' background music for the Matrix Trilogy -- the music is chaotic and impressionistic, but there's still a faintly discernable theme/order to things, some clear thread of hope/clarity (often bittersweet) that you can perceive and cling to.

[Toonia]

Ok first proper thread

Do you find as an INTP that you find yourself drawn to complex or unusual music such as electronica , jazz,classical, music of that nature and structure?...
Any thoughts?:hug: I love Crispy!

Check out this fella... Matthew Smith (http://emusician.com/artists/emusic_sonic_brushstrokes/) He was a professional painter for many years and switched to composition. He's got the goods. :) His approach to composing is very intuitive. He creates layers of sound just as a painter adds layers of texture.

If there are people here that want to dig into complexity and meaning in music i would seriously like to know. Analysis of complex music is one of the most stunning experiences of my life. When i learned how to analyze the fractal patterns inherent in Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, etc. it opened my eyes to what aesthetics are about and what it means to express on a genius level. Understanding the relationship between structure and meaning has been the most profound experience of my life.

Maybe we could dig into a specific work? Electronic or otherwise. I'm a little less familiar in certain aspects of the electronic realm, so that might be my preference as a choice. Any takers?

[PiccoloNamek]

Ok first proper thread

Do you find as an INTP that you find yourself drawn to complex or unusual music such as electronica , jazz,classical, music of that nature and structure?

I find personelly that I have always been drawn to music that seems out of this world or very electic and layered, like not the kind of songs you hum along to on the radio but the kind of songs that when you hear them you hear something new or original about the song. My favioute artists that I like to listen to are probably aphex twin, squarepusher and other simliar electronic artists and I always find that I get a lot more satisfaction out of the sometimess complex alien sounding music they make than say a normal 3 minute pop song, like the music they make is the music iv'e always been drawn to.

I think I like this kind of music becasue it sounds so well defined and made, like a painting would be like an artist, the sounds they make seem to form a picture in the mind but still there is always something fresh and new that I may not have heard before, like a sense of always discovering something new within a song on every listen.

Any thoughts?

I absolutely love complex, layered music. The more layers, the better. This is why I love Yoko Kanno's music so much, especially her world music songs.

[cjs55]

Complexity for it's own sake is miserable. And if it isn't for it's own sake, most of the time, I find that a simpler way of doing things would have been better. My own music has always been needlessly complex, which is why it's not great music, and just ok music.

Occasionally, something 'complex' is profound. But usually that profundity is something quite simple underlying the complexity, a sort of exploration of a concept that remains focused.

I used to really be into complex and technical music. The more complex, the better. But a group like Dream Theatre no longer sounds interesting to me: They may be technically impressive, and lots of notes on the page, plenty of the syncopated in odd ways to make things seem 'complicated', but there's just nothing of worth there other than technical wank. It's a classic content vs. form/aesthetic debate, where the complexity is often just form or surface aesthetic, doing it's best to hide the content which is boring and thus needs to be hidden. This is also why 'hybrid' bands like Opeth have to change styles every 30 seconds. Otherwise, the lack of content would be overly apparent.

[Tony]

i like classical and baroque, along with guitarists like yngwie malmsteen, paul gilbert, and john petrucci

bands that i like are included in my signature lol, but i am very picky about what i like for sure, and rarely does the average person agree with me in any aspect of my musical interests

[ajblaise]

I like intricate music, but what I like even more is intricate music that's improved. Jazz, jazz fusion, psychedelic rock, "jam bands", and a new genre that's kind of like a fusion between electronic music and jam bands, called livetronica.

I like the feeling of "losing myself," being somewhat tranced by the music, it's almost like a mild ego-loss. Improvisation or extremely layered and intricate written music like classical and some contemporary "world" music is all that can do this for me.

[s0978]

Moved fr Gen Psych.

[kuranes]

I like intricate music, but what I like even more is intricate music that's improved. Jazz, jazz fusion, psychedelic rock, "jam bands", and a new genre that's kind of like a fusion between electronic music and jam bands, called livetronica.



Who are some "livetronic" bands ? I've been getting into bands that incorporate middle eastern rhythms and electronica. Right now it's mostly anthologies consisting of "various artists" but I will slowly develop my faves, and focus on them. I have already been checking out master musicians who play middle eastern traditional. There's a great violinist named Claude Chalhoub for example, that File Cabinet turned me on to. Some of these guys are hooking up with "new" music forms. New tango music can be heard by groups like "The Gotan Project", for example.

I listened to the fuse of "Within You, Without You" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" on the new "Love" Beatles album the other night. When I heard those songs as a kid, that was my first exposure to Indian modalities and drone music. They will always have a special place in my memory because of that first imprinting, I suppose.

[Toonia]

It's a classic content vs. form/aesthetic debate, where the complexity is often just form or surface aesthetic, doing it's best to hide the content which is boring and thus needs to be hidden. That is why an aesthetic expression is most effective when design present in the details reflects the design of the underlying structure. That is what i was talking about regarding fractal patterns in Western European Classicism. Schenkerian Analysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis) is the method that analyzes these. The same basic principle of background-middleground-foreground pitch relationships can be applied in certain non-tonal contexts as well. The principle is the same as what you see in nature. A tree has its trunk and limbs branching out into ever smaller, detailed expressions of its basic underlying form. This creates coherency in a work. The stronger the underlying structure, the more 'pressure' you can exert on it - the more tension can be created. Relating the surface to structure is an underlying principle of aesthetic expression in general.

There is also a type of sensory indulgence of certain types of complexity. Like the polyrhythmic music from Sub-Saharan Africa. They layer up highly syncopated rhythms that extend beyond conscious comprehension. This is much like viewing the complex, nuanced interplay of waves coming onto the shore. One way coherency is achieved in that approach is the individual layers are based on repetition (with nuance). There also tends to be an overarching layering up, building up the texture, and then winding down - like one deep breath. It tends to be experienced by losing yourself in the moment.

[ajblaise]

Who are some "livetronic" bands ? I've been getting into bands that incorporate middle eastern rhythms and electronica. Right now it's mostly anthologies consisting of "various artists" but I will slowly develop my faves, and focus on them. I have already been checking out master musicians who play middle eastern traditional. There's a great violinist named Claude Chalhoub for example, that File Cabinet turned me on to. Some of these guys are hooking up with "new" music forms. New tango music can be heard by groups like "The Gotan Project", for example.

I listened to the fuse of "Within You, Without You" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" on the new "Love" Beatles album the other night. When I heard those songs as a kid, that was my first exposure to Indian modalities and drone music. They will always have a special place in my memory because of that first imprinting, I suppose.

Right now the bigger acts are Sound Tribe Sector Nine, The Disco Biscuits, The New Deal, and Brothers Past. (All on archive.org if you are interested)

Middle eastern music fused with electronic music sounds interesting. The only group I can think of that is at least close to that is Shpongle.

[brakedown]

yes layered music has its moments, i usually listen to music that fits my mood.

explosions in the sky
radiohead
depeche mode
shpnogle
beethovan
infected mushroom
flaming lips
head automatica
yeah yeah yeahs

all of which ill listen to interchangeably when in one certain mood.

[ZHASH]

I love music because it makes me feel whole. My favorite music is complex. I gravitate to jazz -- like Coltrane or Miles Davis (My favorite--A Kind of Blue),
I also love classical and opera. My favorite piece--Nessum Dorma. It has such passion and it's so powerful.

When I want to dance, it's Swing--Sinatra and when I want to bust loose, it's MOTOWN! "Ain't to proud to beg, sweet darling"

[LeetDood]

Exactly the same here. Almost exclusively listen to aphex twin, squarepusher, autechre, and boards of canada, along with some more obscure, related music. Really this branch of electronic, classical, and jazz are the only types of music I consider worthy of listening to.

[amazingkae]

For the best live show around in the Southeast, check out these guys:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=2812411&MyToken=991a4c06-196f-4aac-95ec-acd792a7a3ab

They are a riot. As great as they are in the recording studio, though, you really have to be part of the crowd and see them do thier thing in person.

It's worth a weekend trip to Asheville or Hotlanta...

Holiday Childress and the Goodies are the best.

[Zane19]

Yes, definately.
I also like music with a very melancholic mood, and a kind of ethereal quality to it. But mixed in with some chaotic disharmony.
:)

I was just wondring, can any of you name any good... kind of melodic electronica bands/DJ's?
Im looking for some more, but am having trouble.
Electronica, but with a certain disharmonious melancholia mood?

[Ferrus]

I also like music with a very melancholic mood, and a kind of ethereal quality to it. But mixed in with some chaotic disharmony.
That's what I like too. Truth be told I am rather 'picky' with music - the vast majority of it bores me silly. It needs the exact admixture of emotive melody to make a song brilliant - and then I can listen to it repeatedly. Hence I rarely appreciate the whole oeuvre of a composer or artist - instead I enjoy specific songs.

[Zane19]

That's what I like too. Truth be told I am rather 'picky' with music - the vast majority of it bores me silly. It needs the exact admixture of emotive melody to make a song brilliant - and then I can listen to it repeatedly. Hence I rarely appreciate the whole oeuvre of a composer or artist - instead I enjoy specific songs.

Can you suggest any music of that sort to me?
:)

[socrateez]

Wow! I am so glad to know some people know of and like Enigma! I was just playing the sheet music from the Cross of Changes album on the piano today.
My music preferences are very different compared to almost everyone I know. Most music I like doesn't fall into a genre. "Normal" stuff typically turns me off. I like music that has nifty instrumental type stuff. I also have a tendency to like minor keys.
I like Enigma as well. Evanescence is a favorite as well. Minor keys are great. Aphex twin is sort of creepy but fascinating. The video for "Come to Daddy" Is disturbing.
I seem to respond strongest to melancholic music. Fast electronica, I can get lost in the layers. I like peeling the music like an onion.
Mass produced feel good radio music is the least likely I am to respond to. I find myself drawn to more underground music.
Ambiant I like as well.
I heard some piece on NPR that was synthesizer or something. Anyway, it gave the impression of deep tribal voices. Very guttural and rhythmic. I don't know who made it though.

[Roger Mexico]

I like DJ Shadow.

Lately I've been listening to my old Perfect Circle CD's a lot. Tool is of course superior, but compositionally I've always been impressed with MJK.

I like Beethoven and Mozart. And Wagner, despite the supposed political implications of his music.

[degsyboy]

Everything by Vangelis.

[sorabji_66]

I find personelly that I have always been drawn to music that seems out of this world or very electic and layered, like not the kind of songs you hum along to on the radio but the kind of songs that when you hear them you hear something new or original about the song. My favioute artists that I like to listen to are probably aphex twin, squarepusher and other simliar electronic artists and I always find that I get a lot more satisfaction out of the sometimess complex alien sounding music they make than say a normal 3 minute pop song, like the music they make is the music iv'e always been drawn to.



the eyes roll when people use the word "eclectic" or "classy" to describe themselves or their interests.

i'll assume that's what "electic" (sic) meant. unless it was intended as "electric" and in that case i'll strike my comments from the record...

[Automatic Fantastic]

I disbelieve the idea that complex or heavily layered pieces of music have anything exclusively to do with INTPs and their taste.

As someone who is constantly searching for new music to quench my beat-lust I often show my most amazing discoveries to a lot of people. I just can't see a correlation at all between complexity and character type. The complex music which I listen to, I do not like just because of that technicality. Same goes for the pieces of simplistic genius.


Hence I rarely appreciate the whole oeuvre of a composer or artist - instead I enjoy specific songs.

If I can find 5 songs by an artist which I like then I generally consider them as one of my favourites when asked.

[Fierys]

I really like fast playing stuff if it can maintain having a emotional quality to it, not attracted to pure technical ability as much as a well rounded song with lyrics to relate to.

[owarinoTenshi]

I like Hans Zimmer.

It's not layered or complex, but utterly emotional. I think my nostalgia department is overiding the NT department. :D

I like Hans Zimmer's music too, at least the little that I've heard. The Last Samurai's soundtrack is incredibly emotional to me for some reason.


That's what I like too. Truth be told I am rather 'picky' with music - the vast majority of it bores me silly. It needs the exact admixture of emotive melody to make a song brilliant - and then I can listen to it repeatedly. Hence I rarely appreciate the whole oeuvre of a composer or artist - instead I enjoy specific songs.

I'm basically the exact same way. I like complex music, but it usually has to have some sort of emotional and melodic element to it. It really takes the right kind of song to really do it for me. When it does, I listen to it until I get sick of it.

I like a few songs from bands like Lacuna Coil and Nightwish. I really like a lot of dance music, especially trance songs that have that ethereal feel. I really enjoy a lot of what Tiesto does.

[Allister]

70s and early 80s industrial is very layered.

[pan_sonic_000]

Trentemoller

[LowEnd]

I'd say there certainly is a correlation between music and type, but not what kind of music. Its all about how we listen to it. First of all, I can't speak for anyone but myself concerning music, because I've studied, practiced and listened very critically to it for many many years, and this has given me a very distinct 'way of listening' which the vast majority of the population don't posses. But, INTPs, for example, might listen to the layered music and maybe listen out for the layers and analyse the content of the piece, where-as another type may like the same type of music but only because of the over-all 'feel' of it, or the occasional 'hook'.

Also, I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned 'The Mars Volta'. Its good stuff.

[ZHASH]

I tend to like very complex music. Jazz and Classical are my favorite but I'm open to all music.

[aether]

I am lured to complex music, that's all I try to listen to. I like that complex music, like electronica, doesn't get stuck in my head. Other types of music does get stuck, and it can be very annoying, especially if it's a bad song.

:headphone:

[benzene]

I generally prefer electronic music and I am most impressed by the *production quality*: crazy impressive manipulations of sound, amazing unearthly timbres or just a great mix-down. For that reason I listen to a lot of ambient stuff, where production quality is paramount.

I have dabbled with making electronic music for years but suspect I would be a better as a mix engineer than musician. I.e. taking a complete arranged and recorded song, and make it sound as great as possible with all the available technology.

All that said, I'm not such a fan of sick edits primarily, if it gets too showy my Ti kicks in and I start judging the music as pretentious.

Edit: From a melodic/harmonic POV I often try to work out the chord sequences going on in a song, particularly if it sounds unusual. Sometimes a harmony just sounds so weird and haunting I have to try and work it out, then get frustrated when it doesn't fit the rules ...

[Deathyelle]

fuck yes.

i made my (not very close) friend listen to my playlist consisting mostly of autechre/boards of canada/aphex twin/amon tobin in the car, and all that she could quite say was "who the hell listens to this stuff?"

i like music with lots of layers and depth (not lyrically)

[NastyNaz]

Check out goa/psychadelic trance. I love it at high volumes at 2 in the morning (the best way music can be played). One of the more mainstream/accessible artists are "Infected Mushroom". Amazing guys, pm me if you need any help finding some tracks to listen to.

[Rizel]

I LOVE Infected Mushroom! 2AM, very loud, yes

[Latte]

I'm guessing people with strong N have affinity for complex music.

[Nocapszy]

I'm guessing people with strong N have affinity for complex music.

Or T. Or both.

Opeth's drummer is xSTP. They play some extra complex shit, him especially.

[Latte]

One doesn't need a dominant N to have a strong N :happpy:

[stewie3128]

I adore Dream Theater, and occasionally Porcupine Tree, but for me it doesn't get any better than a Bach Cantata (BWV 63 done at the right tempo will blow you away). Rachmaninoff is absolutely magical to me, as is Mozart. Mozart, in particular, finds sophistication in elegant simplicity, casting 2, 3, 4 lines together simultaneously all brilliant in their own right, but drawing your ear and imagination outward to the whole and their interplay between each other. Stravinsky and Jennifer Higdon have that talent too. Bartok does so to incredible effect in his string quartets.

I'm not as much into loop music where the artist adds a loop one layer at a time - I just want the finished product. I'm much more interested in the development of ideas that take me to a place better than my earthbound reality. Wagner, especially his Ring and Tristan & Isolde, definitely does that for me.

At the same time, I'm really in to certain Broadway shows. All of Jason Robert Brown's stuff is right up my alley. I'm also a Disney kid - grew up listening to Alan Menken's shows. But the explorative stuff I described above is really my musical raison d'etre.

[Procrastinat Later]

me and my mate an infp both have a thing for very complex music we both like things like.

dj sasha, nightmares on wax, aim, boards of canada, orbital, chemical brothers (songs like star guitar), add n to x

my entp ex girlfriend and i both liked

mogwai, deathtones, pink floid, godspeed you black emperor, King Crimson, throbbing grissel

all three of us are very highly intuitive, but then i have a have some good esfj mates who like the same music. but then it also disturbed a lot of my esfj friends

anyone got any theroise about that? why things like aphex twin, throbbing grissel, bords of canada freek out a lot of sj? or any sjs out there dissergree?

[Fierys]

Children of bodom have intrigued me as of late with the electric keyboard and guitar meshing together just right(in my eyes). I would say i am constantly on the prowl for more complex or revealing music. 'Tis fun though.

[eggs]

I find a lot of techno/electronica to be very repetitive which is boring, but maybe I'm listening to the wrong thing.

How to Live by Bears is a good example of what I like. http://www.myspace.com/bearspop

Also, I tend to view the vocals as another instrument rather than really absorbing the lyrics, but maybe thats just me.

Also (again), "math rock" is very cool.

[myxomatosis]

Trip-hop, IDM, breakbeat are all right up my alley. :happpy:

[Antares]

I downloaded some trip-hop today by accident (don't ask), having never heard (or at least paid attention to) it before, and found it mesmerizing. ("Timeframes" EP by someone calling himself "Museum".)

I'd recommend Broken Social Scene to anyone who enjoys really layered music. It's more rock-oriented than a lot of the stuff in this thread, but can be downright lysergic at times.

[Sceren]

Ohh! I LOVE complex music!

I'm only new to this 'type' stuff but music I've figured out to an extent.
For me, there are other factors involved, but a main part of it is being able to separate the layers as I hear them. And this is entertaining and for whatever reasons very enjoyable. It also distracts more... thought channels?? I'm not sure exactly but it occupies more of my thoughts, so whatever I'm actually trying to focus on becomes clearer.

It may or may not be related to the skill of its composer but it's the only music that really sings to my soul... You know? Like really gets in there and creates a path for my emotions to follow.

The major things are beats, key changes, flat notes and soaring harmonies. :) I used to think I was just 'somewhat eclectic'.. nope :) turns out what I like is predictable and set out. These things just span into a whole lot of music.

[YardGnome]

Been digesting Brad Mehldau's (http://www.bradmehldau.com/) catalog for the last year or so. Once I'm full I'll probably find another artist and do the same for the following X years. Tends to be how I listen to music. Fantastically deep, incredibly complex stuff, highly recommended...

[Viva_Hate]

I have always been into many kinds of music, you name a genre (except country or religious themed) and I can appreciate something from it. Some stuff is merely fun to listen to, some provides insight into emotion (which is useful since that isn't my strongpoint) but what keeps me interested is music that's thought provoking. It's as though there can always be new discoveries made about it, new inferences or contexts to consider... I like music that's stimulating and engaging that way. But back to the topic, I love multi-faceted music, layered. A good example is Depeche Mode, or NIN. Not always the most stimulating intellectually, but the multitudes of individual noises it takes to create even one song by either band is astounding- you cannot catch them all in just one listen. Tool is another big one for me, they combine the multifaceted music with intelligence and mental stimulus. And of course, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I have heard that this kind of preference is an INTP thing, seems whoever said that was onto something...

[Throttled]

I like complex music, but not because it's complex. I like simple music as well. I just enjoy listening to music that reflects what I'm feeling at the time, really my only emotional outlet (listening and playing). Often times I find you can put a lot more feeling into simpler music.

[StarNips]

Ok first proper thread

Do you find as an INTP that you find yourself drawn to complex or unusual music such as electronica , jazz,classical, music of that nature and structure?

I find personelly that I have always been drawn to music that seems out of this world or very electic and layered, like not the kind of songs you hum along to on the radio but the kind of songs that when you hear them you hear something new or original about the song. . . . I get a lot more satisfaction out of the sometimess complex alien sounding music they make than say a normal 3 minute pop song . . .
I think I like this kind of music becasue it sounds so well defined and made, like a painting would be like an artist, the sounds they make seem to form a picture in the mind but still there is always something fresh and new that I may not have heard before, like a sense of always discovering something new within a song on every listen.

Any thoughts?
:highfive:
I like complex/layered music that many would turn off because it's not "pretty" on first listen or the pattern that would make for euphony is not readily apparent. In fact, much of the music I consider my favorites could be described as dissonant by an ear used to top 40-type pop ditties. But these are more rewarding on repeated listens, because the surface dissonance ad harshness gives up it's own, often novel, melody, whereas the obvious pattern of the more immediately pretty gets boring .
However, simple music is also very attractive to me, especially if it has stark components, like pure, strong or haunting vocals, instrumentals, etc.

[Arntor]

For me, I love complex and layered music, but something I often go for above all is the "atmosphere" I can derive from the music.

Simple "glass-bell" music and certain instrumentals bring a sense of nostalgia in me, but it may be due to some experiences I've had long ago. Metal, is one of my acquired tastes, with enough subgenres to whet my "novelty" appetite combined with the aggression I've grown to be accustomed to and fond of over the years.

[SuperVillain0utcasT]

one band- Aborym. trance meets techno meets the most demonic evil black metal meets beethoven. layers upon layers of ambience, symphonies, and guitars. ive owned thier material for 7 years and am still finding new pieces hidden within the wall of sound. never once does it seem overwhelming. not advised for those not into screaming. search for the track "with no human intervention" \m/

[rhinosaur]

Pat Metheny: http://youtube.com/watch?v=euFmx_wtsoo
Phish: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PCzPaAMSbhs&feature=related

[iksikaksi]

Out of curiosity I sat down and listened to the music INTP's enjoy listening. Some bands like Aborym and autechre simply drove me nuts and couldnt continue listening to them. On the other hand I absolutely loved Nightmares on Wax, Infected Mushrooms and Dream Theater.

Indeed I am greatly thankful for your help so here are a few bands i like

Matthew Lilley: Silver Chair
Dave Matthews Band: Satelite
Frou frou: Shh
Basshunter: Dota, Boten Anna

Chicane

[mw7maj6]

Yeh, there is that--but mostly I find that as a composer of bizarre and unusual, unclassified as yet-type music, that almost all music begins to bore me after hearing it more than once....I wish that wasnt the case, but it is. Even stuff I write bores me to tears after a few times of playing it...what a dreadful way to go...

[mw7maj6]

I dont know what more I am supposed to add here

[ObtainGnosis]

King fucking Crimson

[HilbertSpace]

King fucking Crimson Missile

Fixed.

[Faust06]

Fixed.

WRONG.

I've mentioned a few at some point I think, but at the moment I'm going with:

Steve Morse
Ulver (Blood Inside)
Allan Holdsworth - Sixteen Men of Tain (honestly, the most incredible guitarist I've ever heard)
Dream Theater - Awake
Frank Zappa - Imaginary Diseases, Civilization Phase III
Kayo Dot

[NkedMRat]

Muse ^^

[WhiteRabbit]

Muse ^^

MUSE!!!!

I don't as such find myself consciously inclined towards needlessly complex music, but I like a bit of depth, and I won't exactly listen to three-chord corporate pop either. As a musician I value creativity (melody), technical skill, expression and I suppose complexity is in there to a degree. But some of the most beautiful songs ever written are very non-complex: 'Yesterday' by The Beatles, anyone?

[kenkakuza]

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[tippio]

This may sound corny, but Mozart's Requiem has many layers, and, even though it is dark music, you can find joy in it.

[Alexander]

Some of you might have heard Pat Metheny Group - The Way Up (2005). It's an one hour long composition with a bunch of sounds layered and cool sounding sections. Weird time signatures, soaring melodies, one rhythm on top of another... brain candy for INTP guys and girls.

If you've got the best fucking trio in the world, I think there's enough complexity, layers, whatever in there to analyze for years -- even if the music sounds simple. A drumset can be seen as five instruments being played simontaneously by one person. Then there's a timing feel, DNA thing that makes Steve Jordan sound different than Meg White -- even if they're playing the same notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pk5pc5loD0

[Mandy Bruno]

Personally, I like old school black metal.

[AmberTrance]

Complex is almost an abstract word, while one of my friends thinks that Green Carnation - 9-29-045, Part 2: Home Coming (search youtube) is an complex song,(he is an infj) well I don´t think the same, he uses the word "complex" as referring to ...a lot of instruments, and serpentiness, but I see this complexity in other things, and a simple not serpentine song like Carl Orff: Carmina Burana, it is way much complex, because it has a well thought message, an original way of sing it, and an amazing athmosphere, but this is just my opinion cause he thinks it´s banal and so do I about his song.

So, I do listen complex music :D and one of my fav are
Vangelis, Tosca Tango Orchestra, Enigma, Yann Tiersen, Shiva in Exile,God is an Astronaut,
Tiamat, Draconian, Empyrium, Dark Sanctuary
and others...from metal to new age :D sometimes I listen things more brutal like black or death metal :D

[C-StoLibFro]

If you like layered electronica do yourself a favor and listen to Orbus Terrarum
by the Orb. I picked it up in 1996 and it still has a prominent place in my play list.

Dense, organic, fat, lush... wonderful.

[C-StoLibFro]

This may sound corny, but Mozart's Requiem has many layers, and, even though it is dark music, you can find joy in it.

I agree, there is joy in Mozart's Requiem.

[rhinosaur]

If you liked Pat Metheny and Phish, you might also like:

Shirley Horn <3 (listen to the 2nd track, not the remix) When she starts singing, I simply can't turn away. http://www.last.fm/music/Shirley+Horn
Henryk Gorecki http://www.last.fm/music/Henryk+G&#37;C3%B3recki
Bela Fleck http://www.last.fm/music/B%C3%A9la+Fleck+and+the+Flecktones
Victor Wooten http://www.last.fm/music/Victor+Wooten
Igor Stravinsky http://www.last.fm/music/Igor+Stravinsky
Chick Corea http://www.last.fm/music/Chick+Corea
Brad Mehldau http://www.last.fm/music/Brad+Mehldau

[Furtive]

Nine pages and no mention of Robert Fripp?

I see many artists that I really dig mentioned here, but Fripp's Soundscapes and Frippertronics are pretty neat for just a guy, a guitar, and enough processors to fill a studio.

I enjoy making guitar sound like things other than guitar via effects and technique (or lack of technique). Also have a cheap theremin stashed away.

[MexiSlamo]

I didnt go through the whole thread so maybe its been posted before, but Burial has some really strange sounding music. Somewhat like aphex twin but I'd say its a little more simple and repetitive. not really complex but heavy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N6mYqwph5Y

others:

Thievery Corporation- has some weird stuff. I guess its more lounge than techno but its still pleasing.

Prefuse 73

School of Seven Bells

[glitch]

This may sound corny, but Mozart's Requiem has many layers, and, even though it is dark music, you can find joy in it.

I disagree there is no joy. It's perceptual.

I like the requiem, specially the double fugue or fugatto for the snobs which is highly intellectual I also like the Rex Tremendae. Requiem obviously inspired on Bach.

[Ectius]

This might make me a tool, but I look to Gabriel & Dresden for my techno needs.

I also like modern compositions by:
-Hans Zimmer
-Harry Gregson-Williams
-Nobuo Uematsu

[rhinosaur]

I think this thread is headed straight toward masturbatory lists.

No, wait, it's already there.

[aen]

I'm currently attracted to Carsten Nicolai aka Alva Noto, especially the collaborative work he's done with Ryuichi Sakamoto. I would describe the music as "spatial sound sculptures".

[Technical]

You should hang out with that crooked-ass bastard Paul James, lol. I like extremely simple and extremely complex music equally. Other aspects must matter more to my subconscious. I love the music I love.
LOL awesome.

[stuck]

Yeh, there is that--but mostly I find that as a composer of bizarre and unusual, unclassified as yet-type music, that almost all music begins to bore me after hearing it more than once....I wish that wasnt the case, but it is. Even stuff I write bores me to tears after a few times of playing it...what a dreadful way to go...

WHY DID YOU GUYS SCARE THIS ONE OFF:mad:

[Mickehh]

I would say I like simple music that has some more complex aspects to it, like New Pornographers. They have very interesting chord-progressions and really rich sound scapes, a bunch of melodies and sounds hidden here and there.

And of course there's Rush. The holy trinity. It could be considered complex.

[ebolaRETURNS]

This fits me.
Listen to lotsa 'IDM', industrial, technical metal and hardcore, etc.

ebola

[deuteros]

If you like ambient style music you should get your hands on a copy of selected ambient works vol 2, its a fantastic piece of work and he creates a lot of mellow but also chilling sinister moods on the cd, its like a journey from start to end, and is also a double cd

Not a huge fan of Aphex Twin but that is definitely a great album.

[gardnerj]

And of course there's Rush. The holy trinity. It could be considered complex.

Yeah, and Yes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjj0BwDQ44)

[Fingers]

If you like drums and choppage you can't go wrong with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aF-eox7GIw)

[t_x]

I'm currently attracted to Carsten Nicolai aka Alva Noto, especially the collaborative work he's done with Ryuichi Sakamoto. I would describe the music as "spatial sound sculptures".Will have to check that out. Good bump (:

I am all about layered music. its as if all the sudden with another layer to the existing 6 creates another superlayer which builts its own sound. sir, i like it a lot.Exactly
Of course something doesn't have to be complex to sound aesthetically pleasing, but I love listening to the multilayered stuff over and over trying to extract meaning. hahah

[last_caress]

If you like drums and choppage you can't go wrong with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aF-eox7GIw)

decent.
still like a nice amen workout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhufCbF5154) from time to time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSf0eue3zm8).

[Fingers]

decent.
still like a nice amen workout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhufCbF5154) from time to time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSf0eue3zm8).

I respect Venetian Snares but sometimes his music lacks atmosphere, but in terms of technical structure he's up there.

[last_caress]

I respect Venetian Snares but sometimes his music lacks atmosphere, but in terms of technical structure he's up there.

right-o. I agree there. I'm not into his more recent stuff. what you posted made me think twiddly amens. mangle 11 is maybe a better mixture of both.

[CynicTP]

I appreciate musicianship.

Anyone heard of Porcupine Tree?

Porcupine Tree is an incredibly amazing band...

Opeth and Cynic are great too.....their music is VERY layered and complex.

Oh, and Kayo Dot's music is incredible....really abstract and layered.

[whitfan]

I'm relaly into Progressive/Power/Melodic/Symphonic Metal. Epic sounds, hammering durmbeats, epic stories, concept albums etc. Smoe examples

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory by Dream theater - Pretty much defined the genre and an awesome concept album from the band at their peak.

Liquid Tension Experiment - Awesome

Paradise Lost by Symhpony X - heavier but a pretty damn good album

Hymn by Lunatica - female vocals rock this.

Ten Thousand Strong by Iced Earth - Again, just awesome.

I could go on.

[rhinosaur]

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[Biaxident]

I'm relaly into Progressive/Power/Melodic/Symphonic Metal. Epic sounds, hammering durmbeats, epic stories, concept albums etc. Smoe examples

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory by Dream theater - Pretty much defined the genre and an awesome concept album from the band at their peak.

Liquid Tension Experiment - Awesome

Paradise Lost by Symhpony X - heavier but a pretty damn good album

Hymn by Lunatica - female vocals rock this.

Ten Thousand Strong by Iced Earth - Again, just awesome.

I could go on.

Like 'em all.

[Jwes115]

ozric tentacles
shpongle

[Jwes115]

King fucking Crimson

legit

[porcupine]

legit

King Crimson are really good but I love pretty much all prog, except I don't like metal very much, and I haven't checked out bands like Marillion yet. Other than those two genres I like at least something out of all the other genres on ProgArchives. I would have posted a link but I can't yet.

[Ill eagle]

King Crimson are really good but I love pretty much all prog, except I don't like metal very much, and I haven't checked out bands like Marillion yet. Other than those two genres I like at least something out of all the other genres on ProgArchives. I would have posted a link but I can't yet.

you should download Close to the Edge by Yes

Like a Rolling Stone by Bob Dylan is pretty damn layered, feels good on the ears.

[porcupine]

you should download Close to the Edge by Yes

Like a Rolling Stone by Bob Dylan is pretty damn layered, feels good on the ears.

I've got CttE and TFTO by Yes, and I have heard "The Gates of Delrium" from Relayer. I do need to check out Bob Dylan, I have heard some songs and I like them, but I haven't found the time to listen to any more. (AKA I'm too lazy)

[Ill eagle]

I've got CttE and TFTO by Yes, and I have heard "The Gates of Delrium" from Relayer. I do need to check out Bob Dylan, I have heard some songs and I like them, but I haven't found the time to listen to any more. (AKA I'm too lazy)

Blowing in the Wind by Bob Dylan. that song, I cannot live without. dl that as well.

[euterpenc]

Mastadon... particularly Crack the Skye.

And of course King Crimson. Quintessential.

Edit: oh, and Melvins.

and Tool... and NIN... and Nobuo Uematsu? lololol

[DavidEsotica]

Bumping this thread to keep it alive. Found some AWESOME music.

For me, I been through rock/jazz route, not so much the ambient house/electronica. New music, new stimulus :)

I recommend Black Saint and Sinner Lady by Charles Mingus. Devastating it is.

[Franci98]

Nobody's even mentioned Jimi Hendrix.

My favorite songs by him are:

Little Wing
Voodoo Child
All Along the Watchtower
Purple Haze

All hail the great Jimi!!!!!

[DavidEsotica]

Nobody's even mentioned Jimi Hendrix.

My favorite songs by him are:

Little Wing
Voodoo Child
All Along the Watchtower
Purple Haze

All hail the great Jimi!!!!!

I love the jam Voodoo Chile on Electric Ladyland.

[TheNoirAesthetic]

Tune-yards, Animal Collective, etc.