I want a forum for book reviews

[Swift]

I want a forum for book reviews. In the first place because I want a special place where we can discuss MBTI books, but it could also serve to review other books as well of course.

What do you guys think?

greetz
Swift

[Lee]

Good idea, could it just be a review section, music, movies, books.

however it may need a different structure to the rest of the forum for easy searching and lookup.

edit: to keep things consistent we could have a standard out of 10 rating.

[Swift]

however it may need a different structure to the rest of the forum for easy searching and lookup. Maybe just some standard rules regarding the thread title?

Like for example:

Book review: [Title] by [Author]
Movie review: [Title] with [Cast]

etc...

[Lee]

That might work.

It would probably be better if people reviewed material under the same thread otherwise we might end up with many threads for the same movie, music or book.

And Judgements of other peoples reviews and opinions should be expressed in other forums and the reviews forum should be kept for reviews.

[melancholeric]

I don't think we need more forums...

Entertainment forum might be suitable for that.

[Lee]

you are probably right but it's an idea to think about.
it depends what others think I guess

[Swift]

It would probably be better if people reviewed material under the same thread otherwise we might end up with many threads for the same movie, music or book. That was the idea. However, I have no problems with people discussing a certain book rather than just giving your own review.

Melancholeric, I'd rather post my reviews in the "People & Psychology" forum, which is the main place to discuss MBTI after all.

And if a separate forum is not possible, we could always enlarge the "Psychology Links" section to comprise MBTI book reviews as well.

bye
Swift

[melancholeric]

For MBTI books, obviously. But for other book and movie etc reviews, Entertainment is approriate I think.

[Swift]

For MBTI books, obviously. But for other book and movie etc reviews, Entertainment is approriate I think. Indeed.

[Zero Angel]

Also, each book review should come with a poll that rates the book out of 5 so that we get the input from other members too.

I think a seperate forum should be made for book reviews because the format of the reviews is far different from that of a regular 'entertainment' posts. 'The Celestine Prophecy', 'Art of War' or any other philosophy book for example are not as much entertainment as they are philosophy, and they are obviously not MBTI. If we are going to limit our 'non-entertainment' category to MBTI then we might as well use one of the existing psychology forums for that.

[mgb]

Clara, what happened to the crow?

Someone put up a link to a book review site and got just hammered about the site.

[booyalab]

my friend Trevor's in Library science, he's too much of a prick to be an INTP though, maybe ENTP.

[mgb]

What? (where? ... not my remark, I hope?)
By the way, I will change back to the crow tomorrow.

I get it, birthday day.

Clara, I think you would have a hard time offending anyone on the site (no offense).

Someone just trashed the site for being not good enough and it turned into a debate.

[Swift]

Also, each book review should come with a poll that rates the book out of 5 so that we get the input from other members too. Great idea!


If we are going to limit our 'non-entertainment' category to MBTI then we might as well use one of the existing psychology forums for that. Or we can split up the "People & Psychology" forum into two forums: an "MBTI" forum, including the MBTI book reviews and a "General Psychology" forum. It's the biggest forum and the number of new members and posts is almost growing exponentially. And you can always review philosophy books in the philosophy forum, right?

[Zero Angel]

Well, it might make more sense to put psychology, philosophy and any other knowledge/insight increasing or reflective books into a single forum rather then splitting them up. Which was the point I was trying to make in a subtle, covert, shadowy, kind of way.

We could also make two new boards: Book Reviews/Fiction, Book Reviews/Non-Fiction. I'm not sure how many people click through each forum heading rather then using the 'new posts' functionality, but for those who are interested in books, this might make it easier for them rather then more difficult, which is the reason why I think some people are opposed to having too many boards.

[mgb]

The book I would like to talk about isn't MBTI or even related to it, so it might be nice for all books, and better than just saying "I liked this book".

Actually, I have always thought I would make a great movie reviewer but have been too scared to try. Maybe a "Review" section on this site might be good. Books, movies, whatever.... It would let us review but also inform people of things we have seen or read.

What do you guys think of that?

[Clara]

I don't think we need more forums...
Entertainment forum might be suitable for that. ~ and ~

... then we might as well use one of the existing psychology forums for that
Besides that - we all have very different tastes in books, films, and music.

(I'd maybe suggest that you might read some more of the older threads... it may be that much of what you want is already there :confused: .)

[Zero Angel]

I guess we can rate non-fiction books on the quality of the information, accuracy and thoroughness, but fiction is a totally different story.

I will search for the older threads re: that, but its gonna take awhile.

[mgb]

yeah maybe....

[shaytana]

At first I disagreed that we need another forum, the Entertainment section doesn't get enough traffic to warrant seperate sub categories .. But this gave me an idea.

Maybe we can start some sort of INTP Reviews. You can write any review you want, submit it and on the main page we can create a reviews section complete with links to the review thread to post comments on. (these threads will have very strict rules about staying on topic and flaming)

We have a lot of writers on this forum, how many of you would be interested in writing and submitting something? I know I would be interested in reading them.

[Zero Angel]

Sounds good to me.

Also, I suggest that if you're looking to cut back on the number of boards, that you integrate sports with entertainment, since it basically IS entertainment.

[mgb]

Sounds good to me.

Also, I suggest that if you're looking to cut back on the number of boards, that you integrate sports with entertainment, since it basically IS entertainment.

Hey, let's not let things get out of hand here...

[mgb]

At first I disagreed that we need another forum, the Entertainment section doesn't get enough traffic to warrant seperate sub categories .. But this gave me an idea.

Maybe we can start some sort of INTP Reviews. You can write any review you want, submit it and on the main page we can create a reviews section complete with links to the review thread to post comments on. (these threads will have very strict rules about staying on topic and flaming)

We have a lot of writers on this forum, how many of you would be interested in writing and submitting something? I know I would be interested in reading them.

Your suggestions are always so good. I am jealous of them.

We could even review web pages and such. I would say replace the Web Links section. Then maybe we could get reviews of some of the sites people are posting as well as just having the link.

[Swift]

the Entertainment section doesn't get enough traffic to warrant seperate sub categories .. Yes, but the "People & Psychology" forum does.


on the main page we can create a reviews section complete with links to the review thread to post comments on. You lost me here. What do you mean?

EDIT: Isn't "The Atelier" the right forum for people's own writing?

[Swift]

Also, I suggest that if you're looking to cut back on the number of boards, that you integrate sports with entertainment, since it basically IS entertainment. Yeah, and "Sports" has only 18 threads. It's the least popular subforum.

[Swift]

How about integrating "Online tests" and "Psychology links"? It's not like we're going to discover a new test every day, right? That way we'll have room for a book review subforum.

[mgb]

Yeah, and "Sports" has only 18 threads. It's the least popular subforum.

It is also the newest by 2 weeks from the Lab and 4 months from everything else (that I know of).

[Swift]

OK, how about this:

- we integrate "Online tests" and "Psychology links" in one forum
- we create a "non-fiction reviews" forum in the "Shrink's Sofa" section

- we integrate "Sports" and "Entertainment" in one forum
- we create a review forum for fiction, music, movies, ...

- Own writing goes in "The Atelier"

How about a poll?

Swift

PS: Happy birthday Shaytana :hug:

[mgb]

Let's stop trying to "make space" for a new forum and figure out if it is wanted first. Then maybe add it. Then, if people complain about too many forums, start "making space".

[mgb]

OK, how about this:

- we integrate "Online tests" and "Psychology links" in one forum
- we create a "non-fiction reviews" forum in the "Shrink's Sofa" section

- we integrate "Sports" and "Entertainment" in one forum
- we create a review forum for fiction, music, movies, ...

- Own writing goes in "The Atelier"

How about a poll?

Swift

PS: Happy birthday Shaytana :hug:


No polls please. Just let people reply here. It's still early and most people don't get online until the evening.

Just leave the forums alone for now, you are putting the cart before the horse (even though I know we posted at the same time, just being more succinct).

[Swift]

Let's stop trying to "make space" for a new forum and figure out if it is wanted first. Then maybe add it. Then, if people complain about too many forums, start "making space". All I wanted is a new forum. After that, other people started complaining about too many fora.

EDIT: It ìs evening where I live. I was about to go to sleep :zzz: But I agree, discussion is better suited than another poll.

[mgb]

All I wanted is a new forum. After that, other people started complaining about too many fora.

They always do. Just try and get it added that is the big hurdle. Then let everyone worry about taking things away.

[shaytana]

You lost me here. What do you mean?

EDIT: Isn't "The Atelier" the right forum for people's own writing?

What I meant was that on the main page of the site
(here (http://www.intpcentral.com) ) we can have a section called (something like) INTP Reviews where INTP's review anything from Books to Movies to websites to whatever. We can create a Reviews section of the forum where people can comment on the review. The details can be worked out if there is interest.

Overtime we can build a pretty big database of a variety of different reviews all written by INTP's.

[Swift]

What I meant was that on the main page of the site
we can have a section called (something like) INTP Reviews where INTP's review anything from Books to Movies to websites to whatever. We can create a Reviews section of the forum where people can comment on the review. The details can be worked out if there is interest. Ok now I understand.

But I still think that we should keep the reviews on the forum, reviewing every book, movie, whatever in one thread rather than creating a different thread for every different reviewer. That way we have all reviews of a specific book nicely in one thread. Who's gonna comment unless he has read the book or has questions about it?

And I think we need 2 forums, one for non-fiction and one for fiction, movies, music, etc...

Swift

[mgb]

I think we should just have one "Reviews" forum and I think it should be on the forum page not the mainpage.

I think two review pages is asking a lot.

And I only look at the main page once in a while. So I worry it would get lost there, or at least under-utilized.

[mgb]

I think Claver's fora thread took over and this one got lost. But I think it might have some merit (as discussed here). So let's not forget about it.

[tragula]

I like the idea of a book, movies, music etc review section. Preferably with a ratings poll for each title.

[booyalab]

I can't speak for all INTPs, but I couldn't really care less about most everyone's opinions on movies, music, books, etc...even though most of you supposedly have my personality. Entertainment preferences aren't like politics in that it's necessary, for growth or education or whatever, to read about other people's opinions....and what's the point of reading someone's opinions about a movie if you already agree with them? If I know someone fairly well, that's another story. Because learning about their tastes is a part of learning about them as a person, and plus you have a better idea of whether their tastes align with yours so you can take their suggestions with more than a grain of salt. But I don't know most of you so I don't care what movies, music, etc you like. Ok, done.

[booyalab]

Just use the atelier, or the over-hyped sports forum. An entire forum just for reviews is so unbelievably stupid to me, it boggles my mind..."No offense"

[mgb]

I can't speak for all INTPs, but I couldn't really care less about most everyone's opinions on movies, music, books, etc...even though most of you supposedly have my personality. Entertainment preferences aren't like politics in that it's necessary, for growth or education or whatever, to read about other people's opinions....and what's the point of reading someone's opinions about a movie if you already agree with them? If I know someone fairly well, that's another story. Because learning about their tastes is a part of learning about them as a person, and plus you have a better idea of whether their tastes align with yours so you can take their suggestions with more than a grain of salt. But I don't know most of you so I don't care what movies, music, etc you like. Ok, done.

I disagree. I think there could be great value to the forum for two reasons.

First, I do like to know what the consensus on a movie is before I go see it. If a movie that looks good is getting horrible ratings, I might wait for it to come out on video. It's hard to tell from the previews what a movie is going to be like. Same with books and music. There are lots of site out there that do that, but it could be good to have some discussion about it.

The second reason is the creative writing aspect of doing the reviews. It's pretty easy it to talk here so it might be a great place to get feedback on your writing while providing a public service.

[booyalab]

I disagree. I think there could be great value to the forum for two reasons.

First, I do like to know what the consensus on a movie is before I go see it. If a movie that looks good is getting horrible ratings, I might wait for it to come out on video. It's hard to tell from the previews what a movie is going to be like. Same with books and music. There are lots of site out there that do that, but it could be good to have some discussion about it.

The second reason is the creative writing aspect of doing the reviews. It's pretty easy it to talk here so it might be a great place to get feedback on your writing while providing a public service.

then make a SINGLE THREAD about it, you dont need to have an entire forum.. oh my god
(and unlike the sports topic, there hasn't been an influx of movie threads (oh yeah..the oscar one, lets see....do you think 3-5 people deserve their own goddamn forum to talk about 70s movies? Oh and one of those that posted on that is banned..so that makes 2-4) so as to set a precedent...or to indicate a demand)

[songbird36]

Yes a thread would be good.

I read a lot and am always looking for good new reading material.

Although I suspect the people on here don't read the sort of books I do.

[booyalab]

Yes a thread would be good.

I read a lot and am always looking for good new reading material.

Although I suspect the people on here don't read the sort of books I do.

this is what i was trying to say.....there's no way of knowing if a stranger has your tastes or if their suggestions are worth heeding, and i'm not going to become friends with someone just to find out if I should listen to their book suggestions.

[mgb]

The problem I suppose is that there are so many places to put the threads for reviews. Do you put it in the Atelier? Or entertainment? Or The Local Pub? Maybe in the Playground? Or if it has to do with worldly topics do you put it in the Flame Thrower section? Why not put them in their own section? And if someone reads different types of books, it might be a great way to introduce some of your favorite books to everyone without the thread getting lost in a day.

And the Sports forum does have a purpose. While still slightly under-utilized or like the rest of the forum, mis-utilized by Shai Gar, it is event centric and does let people discuss a variety of sports topics. The other problem is some of the main advocates for it aren't around much anymore, so it gets used less. Eventually it will pick up and it still has more replies than the lab.

[songbird36]

Clearly book and film reviews belong in the entertainment section

[MacGuffin]

If you want links to a bunch of reviews for music, books, movies and the like:

www.metacritic.com

[mgb]

If you want links to a bunch of reviews for music, books, movies and the like:

www.metacritic.com

You can find a website or forum for every single forum we have on the site. You can find forums about world events, geeky gadgets, adult material...whatever. That isn't the point.

The whole point is that we are a community of people with one very important thing in common, and we also have some subsidiary things in common that we like to explore. Why not have as much room as possible to easily explore those subsidiary topics if someone expresses an interest in exploring them?

[booyalab]

we also have some subsidiary things in common that we like to explore. Why not have as much room as possible to easily explore those subsidiary topics if someone expresses an interest in exploring them?

because it WOULDN'T BE THAT POPULAR, you're one of the few people right now who's showing more than passing interest. Plus, I'm good at predicting events, and it would be less popular than the sports forum.

start a single thread for movies, a single thread for books, and a single thread for music If by some weird twist of fate it becomes popular than show that to the admins. Have you noticed how the reasons for not making it into a forum are alot better than yours for making it? Hopefully you will.

[int]

Clearly book and film reviews belong in the entertainment section


Correct. If there was actually high number of reviews then a new forum might be worthwhile. But there isn't and I'm not entirely convinced that's going to change.



Entertainment
Discuss books, magazines, movies, music, celebrities, tv, games... anything entertainment.



Seems pretty simple to me. But I like this idea:



Maybe just some standard rules regarding the thread title?

Like for example:

Book review: [Title] by [Author]
Movie review: [Title] with [Cast]

[booyalab]

Clearly book and film reviews belong in the entertainment section
exactly

[booyalab]

Correct. If there was actually high number of reviews then a new forum might be worthwhile. But there isn't and I'm not entirely convinced that's going to change.



exactly again

[songbird36]

It would be good to have the entertainment section broken down a bit more.

Sometimes it's hard to find threads on various topics (such as book and film reviews) especially if no-one has recently posted on them.

[int]

hmm...yes. A pseudo-standard on titling might make it easier to search for those sorts of things.

[Swift]

Grrr... I guess I'll just post my MBTI book reviews in the "People and psychology" forum. I think there will be enough people around to discuss books about MBTI. You'll see...

[mgb]

It would be good to have the entertainment section broken down a bit more.

Sometimes it's hard to find threads on various topics (such as book and film reviews) especially if no-one has recently posted on them.


exactly


exactly again

booyalab, just because arguments aren't yours, it doesn't make them bad.

Also, you have said that posts about books and movies should go into the atelier and the entertainment section, which is it?

And for that matter, why divide up the forums at all, one central forum with all the threads in that should be enough shouldn't it. No it's not because people have different interests and perspectives on things.

And there already are very successful threads on books in entertainment. Why would I start another one to prove to you that we need it.

[Claverhouse]

Anyone else feel slightly giddy after reading a thread like this ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Sackanaka]

Not yet.
*turns on the Giddy Music*

[booyalab]

booyalab, just because arguments aren't yours, it doesn't make them bad.


No, you're right, it's the other way around......BECAUSE I think an idea is bad, I argue against it.



Also, you have said that posts about books and movies should go into the atelier and the entertainment section, which is it?



Probably the entertainment section. But you seem to be changing this now from a "forum for book reviews" to a "forum for books, movies, music"

If all of the posts for books movies and music go into another forum what would be discussed in entertainment? Opera? Albino midget porn?

[songbird36]

No, you're right, it's the other way around......BECAUSE I think an idea is bad, I argue against it.

If all of the posts for books movies and music go into another forum what would be discussed in entertainment? Opera? Albino midget porn?

Aha - now you're onto something. I would expect some exciting posts from Div on that last topic!

[mgb]

Aha - now you're onto something. I would expect some exciting posts from Div on that last topic!

I think albino midget porn would fit into either movies or books, whichever format you are most comfortable viewing it in.

It could also fit into the mature audience section.

There wouldn't be a reason to have an entertainment section anymore.

[melancholeric]

No, we need a separate forum for albino midgets!

[mgb]

No, we need a separate forum for albino midgets!

I'm in.