Banning certain breeds of dog.

[mgb]

Do you think this is a good idea?

In some parts of Canada it is becoming or already is, illegal to own certain breeds of dogs. There seems to be a mountain of evidence of vicious attacks by certain breeds (pit bulls and the like). While I imaging some attacks by smaller dogs go unreported because there is much less damage there still seems to be a problem.

Is this a matter of dogs that have spent a century being bred to kill or is it just a matter of bad pet owners?

Are they unfairly punishing all owners of a certain breed with these bans because of the acts of few?

I am kind of undecided on this issue.

[Shai Gar]

it is not damned fair, there is no such thing as a bad dog*, it is the responsibility of the owner not the dog to act good. shit i am rambling. if a dog attacks it is because of mistreatment either from the owner or the person getting attacked, i nominate this course of action: the dog gets a hearing, if it is the victims fault then no action is taken, if it is the owners fault then the owner gets jailed one year and the dog gets retrained and placed in another family in another state.

*the chihauha is the only dog who deserves to burn in hell at conception, it is my firm belief that this dog is the dog they refer to when people talk about "hellhound" or "satans dog"

[Arcael]

I agree, banning a dog based on breed is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It's all based on what you turn that puppy into.

[Miss Anthropic]

Definitely it is the pet owner who is at fault. Unfortunately it is the Rotties and Pittbulls that some really irresponsible people breed and raise without any common sense. I volunteer at the local animal shelter with my daughter (She has to do volunteer stuff for school and you can't volunteer there without a parent so there I go....)anyway it is very sad, most of the dogs that are given up, abandoned or allowed to breed indiscriminately are the larger breeds known for their protective (I'll be diplomatic--I'm not fond of big dogs)temperament. I don't know what the proper solution is, but it seems to be the same type of idiot who is drawn to the idea of owning an "attack" dog and raises them as such. So if you ban the breed the idiots can't have the dog. An attack poodle just wouldn't be the same. (Not to say that is THE solution--but perhaps the logic behind banning)

[athman]

Yes, there's the logic and then there's the practicality. Logically its not the dog's fault. But if dumb owners weren't able to own aggressive dogs (pit bull terriers etc) there would be fewer dog attacks on innocent people.

[Elro]

But if dumb owners weren't able to own aggressive dogs (pit bull terriers etc) there would be fewer dog attacks on innocent people.

Agreed, but how to filter out the dumb owners? Even if you went by something like IQ test, high IQ people can have very little common sense.

To ban a dog breed universally would be similar to extinguishing a species. I know different breeds aren't yet considered "species", but I think they are approaching that level. You're eliminating a variant.

[mgb]

I've thought of banning bad owners as well. But you might have to throw the baby out with the bath water on this one because I don't know how to screen owners.

I know that if raised correctly any dog will become a nice loveable pet. But these people, for whatever reason, are drawn to these types of dogs. I've been to the SPCA when they were making every excuse they could not to give a dog to someone, but I guess despite their best efforts these dogs, which have a propensity to inflict serious injury if not properly taken care of, get into the hands of the wrong owners and something clicks one day and the dogs attack.

Would it be discrimination against people not to let them have certain types of dogs?

[Swift]

Agreed, but how to filter out the dumb owners? Even if you went by something like IQ test, high IQ people can have very little common sense. We could ask that the owners of dangerous breeds follow training courses, during which they are evaluated on attitude and control over their dog. After the course, we issue the owner a "dangerous dog licence", something like a drivers licence or a firearms licence. Misconductance and bad behavior will result in withdrawal of the licence, confiscation of the dog and prohibition of ever owning a dog again, on penalty of jail.

Who votes for?

Swift

[Swift]

Would it be discrimination against people not to let them have certain types of dogs? Would it be discrimination to let people practice medicine without a medical degree?

[crule81]

Pink Poodles with their butt shaved are visually offensive and should be banned. Talk about dumb owners.

[mgb]

Would it be discrimination to let people practice medicine without a medical degree?

Yeah, because owning a dog is surgery.

[Swift]

I really don't think every moron should be allowed to own a dog.

[synchronous]

Pink Poodles with their butt shaved are visually offensive and should be banned. Talk about dumb owners.

Ah, you mean like the owner of this green coloured poodle, for example. I'm not sure if this poodle has his butt shaved. Guaging by the dog's expression, I'd say it's likely.... ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Synchronous/greenpoodle.jpg

[mgb]

I really don't think every moron should be allowed to own a dog.

I don't think every moron should be allowed to breed, but until they prove that they are incapable of maintaining their children, it doesn't mean that you can stop them.

[crule81]

I just used pink as an example of the most heinous violation of decency and animal rights.

My dog used to actually be embarassed when we cut him too short. He wouldn't stay outside - he'd do his business and run right back in - completely the opposite of his normal outdoor activity.

[synchronous]

Do you think this is a good idea?

In some parts of Canada it is becoming or already is, illegal to own certain breeds of dogs. There seems to be a mountain of evidence of vicious attacks by certain breeds (pit bulls and the like). While I imaging some attacks by smaller dogs go unreported because there is much less damage there still seems to be a problem.

Is this a matter of dogs that have spent a century being bred to kill or is it just a matter of bad pet owners?

Are they unfairly punishing all owners of a certain breed with these bans because of the acts of few?

I am kind of undecided on this issue.

I think I lean more against the idea of banning breeds of dogs. Attacks can happen in seemingly docile breeds, in certain circumstances. For example, I recall the incident occuring in Toronto or Hamilton over the holidays. An infant was mauled by 4 dogs. I think the parents owned a pit bull and another dog of another breed, but, it was two dogs they were boarding that attacked the child. All the dogs were stressed, being confined together.

In any case, some of the responsibility for vicious dogs falls upon uneducated dog owners. However, i think some of the responsibility rests with dog breeders. Some breeders, for example will cross breed within the same line, to manipulate the genetics for the sake of improving disposition or physical features, perhaps unknowingly exacerbating the aggression problem. Of course some breeders do it purposely.

The other area of concern I think that needs to be addressed is in mixed breeds of questionable temperament and unwanted pets with unreported history of aggression that the get 'redistributed'. I think more than banning specific breeds, I'd be more inclined to implement better measures to control the redistribution of dogs. Just some thoughts.

[Swift]

I don't think every moron should be allowed to breed, but until they prove that they are incapable of maintaining their children, it doesn't mean that you can stop them. No, but you can stop people to own dogs they cannot handle.

Either way, leaving dogs and kids alone is asking for trouble.

[CreativeChaos]

I really don't think every moron should be allowed to own a dog.

Ok, here I am Ms Animals Rights. I totally agree with this statement. It is the treatment of a dog more than the dog that counts in its behavoir.

I also happen to think this is even more true concerning children.

http://www.abqdog.com/fun.shtml

Directions: just go to the bottom of the site, to the right, and click under videos, Funny Dog Video Shorts.

Just get a load of these talking dogs! Ha! :rofl:

And I think Grandma should be banned from having a dog for "incompetance with pet" HAAA! :rofl:

[Swift]

Just get a load of these talking dogs! Ha! :rofl: No thank you, I'm a cat person. Dogs are too clingy, too needy and too dependent,... actually too INFJ or INFP to like. ;)

EDIT: I think this might be a good idea for another poll...

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by Swift:
No thank you, I'm a cat person. Dogs are too clingy, too needy and too dependent,... actually too INFJ or INFP to like.

EDIT: I think this might be a good idea for another poll...

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[Swift]

I.. I...I...I.. will do ANYTHING if you'll just like me!!! Please, please say you like me? please, please,please, please, please...huh? huh? huh? huh? :wub: CC, darling, everybody just loooooves your presence here. I'm going to call you "INTP mommy" from now on... ;) C'mon, give me a hug ;) :hug:

[Boneca]

The problem with banning breeds is that new breeds will emerge or people will just use mixed breeds. Any large breed can be bred to become fighters, and most large dogs can be dangerous without proper socialising. That doesn't make it right to ban large dogs in general - it's the breeding for fighting you need to get at.


(Side note: Swift, not all dogs are clingy. Spitz type dogs f.ex. are very independent.)

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by Swift:
CC, darling, everybody just loooooves your presence here. I'm going to call you "INTP mommy" from now on... C'mon, give me a hug

Awwww.... :blush: Geeeee.....THANKS! Swiffy foxy baby! :wub:


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[mgb]

Awwww.... :blush: Geeeee.....THANKS! Swiffy foxy baby! :wub:


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This is why we shouldn't ban pit bulls. haa haa

Sorry CC, couldn't resist.

[athman]

We could ask that the owners of dangerous breeds follow training courses, during which they are evaluated on attitude and control over their dog. After the course, we issue the owner a "dangerous dog licence", something like a drivers licence or a firearms licence. Misconductance and bad behavior will result in withdrawal of the licence, confiscation of the dog and prohibition of ever owning a dog again, on penalty of jail.

Who votes for?

Swift I'd vote for that. You can't cover all contingencies but that would certainly help reduce the moron to dog ratio.

Also ... completely changing the subject ... I'd like to see an internet test correlating personality types with dog breeds, just for fun. According to tests I've recently taken I'm closest to Yoda and an Ewok named Wicket. I wonder what I'd be in the the dog universe.

[mgb]

I'd vote for that. You can't cover all contingencies but that would certainly help reduce the moron to dog ratio.



It sounds good on paper, but would be difficult to administer and monitor.

[IceMasterDLarge]

There are crazy people, so why can't there be crazy dogs?? It's obviously not that all pit bulls are attacking people, just a few. Like what you said, there are many attacks from smaller breeds. (which actually at times can act more hostile than larger breeds, but of course the amount of damage isn't as atrocious). So then, why shouldn't ban 90% of breeds of dogs, my aunt was bitten by a bearded collie, but that's the only case I ever heard of where a bearded collie bit a person. The collie was actually founded to have anxiety problems by a psychologist. Not all dogs of one breed are bad, it's stupid what Candian law is implementing now, because in order to solve the problem effectively, we would have to ban many breeds of dogs. Or wouldn't it be better that an owner keeps an eye on dogs that are known to have aggressive behavior which is usually the case of the dog who attacks.

[ApeTheDog]

This had better not be about me, or I'll... well... get banned and not be able to do anything about it, I suppose.

Yeah.
Consider yourselves forewarned!

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by mgbradsh
This is why we shouldn't ban pit bulls. haa haa

Sorry CC, couldn't resist.

Not even pit bulls could keep me away from YOU mg! HHAARRRRRGGGGgg. :devil:

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