Manipulation of the public?

[immortalmack]

Is this real or creating false enviroment (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bomb_defused) of fear?

[The Concertinist]

Until I see evidence that suggests it was staged, I won't even consider anything but the official story. It's certainly POSSIBLE that it was staged, but it's also POSSIBLE that you're a rapist. However, I won't call you one until I see some evidence that supports such an accusation.

[Stoned_Rider]

Yeah and I think the July 7 London bombings also weren't real, they were just creating a false environment of fear.

[Lateralus]

All the story states is that it was "an apparent terrorist attack". It could have been a British version of Timothy McVeigh, for all we know.

[immortalmack]

Until I see evidence that suggests it was staged, I won't even consider anything but the official story. It's certainly POSSIBLE that it was staged, but it's also POSSIBLE that you're a rapist. However, I won't call you one until I see some evidence that supports such an accusation.

Yea kina like your mother COULD be a female dog but I won't call her a woman till I see her.:2up:
Historically in this country all the serial rapists have been white males so .....what you trying to get at?


Yeah and I think the July 7 London bombings also weren't real, they were just creating a false environment of fear. I ask this because evertime something like this happens,some new law or action takes place that would in a normal enviroment not go over too well.


All the story states is that it was "an apparent terrorist attack". It could have been a British version of Timothy McVeigh, for all we know.

The one thing I find interesting is the trust people have for police and media and yet still ignore that more and more lately they are behaving corrupt on all scales it seems like.

[Lateralus]

I ask this because evertime something like this happens,some new law or action takes place that would in a normal enviroment not go over too well.
Governments use fear to control the populace. This is an established fact. How far they go is disputed. Do they stage events? Or do they merely take advantage of events?


The one thing I find interesting is the trust people have for police and media and yet still ignore that more and more lately they are behaving corrupt on all scales it seems like.
Well, governments have always been corrupt. I think the difference is that it's now more apparent in this information age.

[immortalmack]

Governments use fear to control the populace. This is an established fact. How far they go is disputed. Do they stage events? Or do they merely take advantage of events?
In the history of republics it is not uncommon to find "sparring partners" so to speak. The Volscians,Etruria, Gauls and many others have the played the part of sparring partners with the Romans at a time when the balance of power WITHIN the republic was being fought for. The threat of war looming over the city was enough for bogus laws to be passed as well as the silencing of the plebs (general population) themselves.


Well, governments have always been corrupt. I think the difference is that it's now more apparent in this information age. You're right. The real question is who is gonna stop it.

[immortalmack]

Governments use fear to control the populace. This is an established fact. How far they go is disputed. Do they stage events? Or do they merely take advantage of events?


Well, governments have always been corrupt. I think the difference is that it's now more apparent in this information age. In the history of republics it is not uncommon to find "sparring partners" so to speak. The Volscians,Etruria, Gauls and many others have the played the part of sparring partners with the Romans at a time when the balance of power WITHIN the republic was being fought for. The threat of war looming over the city was enough for bogus laws to be passed as well as the silencing of the plebs (general population) themselves

[heart]

smells like fear to me...

[immortalmack]

smells like fear to me...
:ph34r:

[C.J.Woolf]

"We are currently facing the most serious and sustained threat to our security from international terrorism," Britain's new home secretary, Jacqui Smith, said after an emergency meeting of top officials.
Worse than the Provisional IRA? I expect US officials to freak out over bombs, but I'd have thought the British had been there and done that.

[heart]

Worse than the Provisional IRA? I expect US officials to freak out over bombs, but I'd have thought the British had been there and done that.

Doesn't the same brain move the left and the right hands?:P

[tinribz]

Today we have news from London, where a "big [explosive] device" was discovered inside a parked car near Piccadilly Circus. The device consisted of petrol, propane gas cylinders, and nails. The car containing it had been abandoned after its driver was observed piloting it erratically, crashing it, then running off, like a true professional.
And what an incident. "It is obvious that if the device had detonated there could have been serious injury or loss of life", Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke intoned gravely.

Ah, if it had detonated. Yes, it could have been a real horror. Only, the device could not have detonated. Not under any circumstances. You see, the terrorist wannabe clown who built it left out a crucial element: an oxidiser. The device was pure pre-teen boy fantasy.

So why is this such big news? Because clowns have got to be passed off as terrorists. Because a vast industry depends on terrorists, real and imagined, to justify its existence. We live now in the grip of the security-industrial complex, and that hungry beast demands to be fed. We feed it money hand over fist, and in return, it feeds us fear biscuits, which we are expected to accept with gratitude.

Roll over. Sit up and beg. See the bad man? Good citizen; here's your bickie. Beavis and Butthead in London jihad (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/29/more_fear_biscuits_please/)

I don't believe for one minute this was staged, for starters it was so unprofessional. True enough it will be made a meal of but I wonder how much the blame for that lies at the door of the media. And as they driven by consumers, who is really to blame for that?

[Ferrus]

Worse than the Provisional IRA? I expect US officials to freak out over bombs, but I'd have thought the British had been there and done that.
The IRA were nationalists though who - much like ETA in Spain - needed to keep a certain amount of public support on their side, which is not necessarily true for international terrorists who may not have such quelms in the numbers of deaths they cause. The worst IRA bombings caused tens of deaths, rather than hundreds