INTP vs. INTJ

[rohit]

I would like to know what makes a person an INTP instead of an INTJ. Are there tests that switch P and J? Am I still Einstein's mbti type? :)

[Zero Angel]

http://www.socionics.com/advan/intjorintp.htm

And if you still can't decide...
http://www.9types.com/type5board/messages/9784.html


I think Einstien was an INTP.

[joft]

http://www.socionics.com/advan/intjorintp.htm

However, if for INTJs it is about gaining understanding, for INTPs it is about exercising their knowledge, and therefore they mostly concern themselves with known facts. Moreover, INTJ's logic is their area of confidence and conservatism. This makes their logic fundamental, meaning once the rules are established, they can be applied anywhere. INTPs logic is their area of creativity. This makes their logic circumstantial and unpredictable - the rules apply here but may not apply there.

The same goes for Intuition. INTP's main function is introverted intuition. Since introverted intuition is about internal wholeness or belief, this manifests itself in INTPs being highly religious and spiritual people.

INTJs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc. INTPs are in their element when involved with business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc. Wow. Just, wow.

My first impression of socionics, at a glance, was that it was complete BS. Now, I am sure of that.

[Boneca]

Remember it's turned around. What socionics call INTP is actually INTJ in the rest of the world (because introverted intuition is the INTJ main function - INTP has introverted thinking as main function).

[joft]

No, I just refuse to think that anything socionics says makes any sense in any way.

Even then it would be drastically inaccurate; making far too many inexcusably way off the mark conjectures.

[melancholeric]

No, I just refuse to think that anything socionics says makes any sense in any way.

Even then it would be drastically inaccurate; making far too many inexcusably way off the mark conjectures.
Just wait untill Eddie baby sees this....

[euterpenc]

I saw this on another thread, the thing from socionics. it seems they may have gotten P and J switched. That's what i was told.

[glassmoon]

Is socionics' INTP and INTJ are switched, is that all the difference between MBTI's INTP's and INTJ's?

[euterpenc]

yep. and yeah wait til EZ sees this lol.

[Zero Angel]

Socionics switches the J and the P for introverts, but it is normal for the extraverts.

I don't get the 'wait until eddie sees this' joke. What did I miss?

[glassmoon]

Socionics switches the J and the P for introverts, but it is normal for the extraverts.

I don't get the 'wait until eddie sees this' joke. What did I miss?
Oh, so what's so revolutionary in Socionics?
If to ignore the fact that I at least 3 profiles fit me more than 70%, I think the MBTI profiles are the best among what I've read so far.

[Zero Angel]

I was just stating a fact, not trying to convert you to believing in Socionics. If you see it has no value then theres probably not a whole lot that I can say that will change your mind.

[melancholeric]

I don't get the 'wait until eddie sees this' joke. What did I miss?

In case you haven't noticed, Edmond is somewhat opinionated on some issues, such as the relative irrelevancy of the preference percentages, socionics, visual identification, socionics guide to intertype relations, and he is willing to defend his opinions in a confident yet nonconvincing ( IMO ) and perhaps even aggressive manner. No, I don't think you want to debate these things with him.

[glassmoon]

I was just stating a fact, not trying to convert you to believing in Socionics. If you see it has no value then theres probably not a whole lot that I can say that will change your mind.
I'm not talking against it, I only found it less accurate for me.
From what I've seen so far in the forum, most mention their MBTI type, not their Socionics type, and most discussions are about MBTI.

I don't see what's so controversial in visual identification, its accuracy can be tested anyway...

[Edmond Zedo]

Socionics introverted types aren't directly compatible with MBTI. Independent. I don't fit AS nicely into their INTp description, but it's do-able. I've said it a thousand times, but anyway, VI works when it works, I know from experience. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

[madscientist]

INTJs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc. INTPs are in their element when involved with business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc.Wow. Just, wow.

My first impression of socionics, at a glance, was that it was complete BS. Now, I am sure of that.
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I still think this is total BS. I am an INTP, but am not good with enterprise, business, church, or anything. I am much better with science, innovation, theory, and philosophy. I know I am not an INTJ because I am one lazy mutha.

[MasterMerk]

Socionics introverted types aren't directly compatible with MBTI. Independent. I don't fit AS nicely into their INTp description, but it's do-able. I've said it a thousand times, but anyway, VI works when it works, I know from experience. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

http://ru.laser.ru/socion/references/filatova/intp/02.jpg

"Damn straight!"

[int]

Hmph. I test INTP on both MBTI and Socionics.


Lenore Thomson mentions Ti is a judging function, which is dominant for INTPs. Ni is a perceiving function, which is dominant for INTJs.

Ne is perceiving and secondary for INTPs. Te is Judging and Secondary for INTJs.

But if a secondary function isn't developed, the dominant (and maybe tertiary) function(s) will overrule.

So there's a point for possible confusion - if a person is operating on their dominant function while testing, the P/J results (if not more) breakdown.

[QrioCT]

i can usually tell if someone's an intp or intj. they are rare but where i live i've got plenty of INTx, and soon you figure out the pattern.
here's the trick: INTJs truly act more similar to the INFJs. the IJ "silently stubborn" vibe is usually very strong. (in fact i find INTJs and INFJs harder to tell apart(especially in men because around women(which i am) men starts acting more F so you don't know if that's real)
basically if the person reminds you of more of an INFJ, but doesnt act too F, it's probably an INTJ.

[Clara]

I would like to know what makes a person an INTP instead of an INTJ. Are there tests that switch P and J? Am I still Einstein's mbti type? :)
(My observations, based on noticing a very low number of INTJs)

INTJs are more sure of ( and better able to predict ) "what probably will happen" next, or under certain conditions. Not to say they're always right. In fact, they get this :blink: surprised, blank look for a second, when someone does something they wouldn't have predicted.

They assume an impassive expression ( "poker face" ) quite well. So, they prefer people to ask - rather than assume. However, they may not answer.

They can set up very elaborate leg-pulling jokes... revolving around the unsuspecting subject of their joke behaving as expected, until the point of calling their bluff. (Yeah, it is pretty funny - and yes, INTPs are often amusingly credulous.)

[Polystom]

I still think this is total BS. I am an INTP, but am not good with enterprise, business, church, or anything. I am much better with science, innovation, theory, and philosophy. I know I am not an INTJ because I am one lazy mutha.

It. Is. Switched.

Socionics' INTJ commentary pertains to Myers-Briggsian INTPs, and vice versa. It's about not having the P/J dichotomy subject to Extraverted prejudice. It works.

VI relates somewhat well to the notion of somatotype, which is in turn onto the right track, I've always thought.

[songbird36]

I think INTJs are better at getting to the point quickly, and making a point succinctly!

[nBT]

(My observations, based on noticing a very low number of INTJs)

INTJs are more sure of ( and better able to predict ) "what probably will happen" next, or under certain conditions. Not to say they're always right. In fact, they get this :blink: surprised, blank look for a second, when someone does something they wouldn't have predicted.

They assume an impassive expression ( "poker face" ) quite well. So, they prefer people to ask - rather than assume. However, they may not answer.

They can set up very elaborate leg-pulling jokes... revolving around the unsuspecting subject of their joke behaving as expected, until the point of calling their bluff. (Yeah, it is pretty funny - and yes, INTPs are often amusingly credulous.)


I think INTJs are better at getting to the point quickly

:D
though i have to admit that i also posess Ne and Ti.

my housemate told me i have a strong opinion. i silently disagreed. i just state them strongly. its not hes going to ponder it. if he did id be beating it out of his head soon. manipulating gullible SP's is my favorite thing. swing em to and fro with toughts.
also ive been 'wondering' why the heck you guys leave discussions open. must be P. id love to be more P sometimes.
i hate being J and stuck with it. it always gets me into trouble. [/rant]

[Edmond Zedo]

It. Is. Switched.

Socionics' INTJ commentary pertains to Myers-Briggsian INTPs, and vice versa. It's about not having the P/J dichotomy subject to Extraverted prejudice. It works.

VI relates somewhat well to the notion of somatotype, which is in turn onto the right track, I've always thought.

It's not switched. Sometimes it's switched. They say this, and I've posted it 1,000,000 times, and even in this thread.

VI has nothing to do with somatype, and is completely different, and actually viable. It's like comparing 16-type with astrology.

[callie]

INTJs truly act more similar to the INFJs. (in fact i find INTJs and INFJs harder to tell apart(especially in men because around women(which i am) men starts acting more F so you don't know if that's real)
basically if the person reminds you of more of an INFJ, but doesnt act too F, it's probably an INTJ.

Hey that's so interesting!! But well, how are they once they are married or in a longterm relationship? More INFJ or rather coming back to their true nature? Do they act that way because they basically feel the need to be seducing and they know how to do it or because dating/being around women they tend to find attractive make them basically so romantic, charming and intense? Does anyone have the answer in here? :blink:

[Edmond Zedo]

Hey that's so interesting!! I once met an INTJ guy. In the first dates, i thought he was an INFJ.... so sensitive ... but then, somehow i found out he actually was rather an INTJ .... :huh:
But well, how are they once they are married or in a longterm relationship? More INFJ or rather coming back to their true nature? Do they act that way because they basically feel the need to be seducing and they know how to do it or because dating/being around women they tend to find attractive make them basically so romantic, charming and intense? Does anyone have the answer in here? :blink:
I think you'd get along well with many INTJ guys. They're serious about love, but sometimes "vacant" because of their constant ambition. I would be surprised, if as long as you were nice to one, he'd ever try to hurt you, or leave you.

[callie]

Hi Edmond!! How are you? :)

Oooooooooooh!! That sounds sweeeeeeet!!!! :wub: I guess, i have to look for an INTJ 8O ....maybe MBTI is right, it is what i need!!!! :blush:

[Edmond Zedo]

Hi tinkerbell, I'm not so bad =)

Yeah...If you can find a nice one (Don't try to type him yourself) just act real flirty or ask him to ask you out, and see what happens.

Btw, you're not borderline ENTP! You're quite ENFP with ESFP traits as well.

[callie]

Great to see that you know more about me than the MBTI test itself! And thanks for the ESFP which means to you that i am just stupid (see another tread, don't remember the name.... yeah!! i read it). What is so ESFP in me?

[callie]

And why, do INTJs like women taking the lead in relationships?

[nobarcode]

Do they act that way because they basically feel the need to be seducing and they know how to do it or because dating/being around women they tend to find attractive make them basically so romantic, charming and intense? Does anyone have the answer in here? :blink:
The former, but it gets rather complicated after that. And yeah, if you hurt them, they will quickly become nothing but a remnant of your imagination.

[callie]

Gets complicated after that... since you are an INTJ, i should rely on what you say...... Your own experience or rather observations around you? You mean, they tend to "become again INTJ" or they have troubles to enter in the relationship?


So Edmond? No sorry, you said it about ESFJ : "If they seem like an ignorant loudmouth, probably ESFJ. If they seem perceptive and intelligent, probably ENFJ.". But i guess you think the same of ESFP????? So why am I a stupid ESFP?

[booyalab]

So Edmond? No sorry, you said it about ESFJ : "If they seem like an ignorant loudmouth, probably ESFJ. If they seem perceptive and intelligent, probably ENFJ.". But i guess you think the same of ESFP????? So why am I a stupid ESFP?
no he actually likes ESFPs, take it as a compliment

[Edmond Zedo]

no he actually likes ESFPs, take it as a compliment
What she said.

[callie]

Oh really? :blush: :huh:

[songbird36]

And why, do INTJs like women taking the lead in relationships?

I suspect this is true not merely of INTJs but INTP men as well.

My ex husband was an INTJ (like myself) and he has always expected/waited for women to take the lead. He is quite passive in initiating relationships.

[callie]

Good to know!!! Thanks! :smooch:

And since you have so much experience with INTJs, what do you think of my former questions concerning them and women/relationships?

[Edmond Zedo]

Oh really? :blush: Ok, do you use any instant messenger? :huh: :lol:
(c'est finit)

And I specifically said act real flirty or ask him to ask you out because otherwise he might not bother. Both INTP and INTJ are rather reserved.

[callie]

He might not bother... even if he cares?

[songbird36]

Hey that's so interesting!! I once met an INTJ guy. In the first dates, i thought he was an INFJ.... so sensitive ... but then, somehow i found out he actually was rather an INTJ .... :huh:
But well, how are they once they are married or in a longterm relationship? More INFJ or rather coming back to their true nature? Do they act that way because they basically feel the need to be seducing and they know how to do it or because dating/being around women they tend to find attractive make them basically so romantic, charming and intense? Does anyone have the answer in here? :blink:

I don't think my experiences of an INTJ husband are going to be much use to you. I assume you're not an INTJ or INTP yourself. If you are, I would suggest not getting involved with someone of the same type. This is just my personal opinion, but I don't think people of exactly the same type are inherently very compatible because they tend to magnify each others' worst type related faults.

My ex husband wasn't romantic at all (but that could be just him and not to do with type). I am an INTJ, but I still found his lack of emotional warmth difficult to deal with (I think some emotional warmth is needed in relationship - even by thinkers).

In response to your question I suspect when courting a woman an INTJ man may "put on" a degree of personal warmth and charm to attract her, that perhaps doesn't come naturally to him. This is likely to wear off on better acquaintance, so maybe I would advise being aware of this.

[Edmond Zedo]

He might not bother... even if he cares?
True.

[callie]

In response to your question I suspect when courting a woman an INTJ man may "put on" a degree of personal warmth and charm to attract her, that perhaps doesn't come naturally to him. This is likely to wear off on better acquaintance, so maybe I would advise being aware of this.

That's actually quite scaring.......

[songbird36]

That's actually quite scaring.......

Well, don't give it too much credence then.

I actually don't particularly want to weigh into this conversation. As my experience of an INTJ male was so negative, I don't want it to colour everyone else's perceptions.

[callie]

No, but you might be right... why not? Any other experiences with INTJ men around here to confirm that or not?

[songbird36]

No, but you might be right... why not? Any other experiences with INTJ men around here to confirm that or not?

Well No Bar Code is the only other INTJ man on here that I'm aware of.

As far as the INTP men on here go, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of their viewpoints (one person in particular), and on that basis probably wouldn't consider a relationship with any of them.

lol

PS: There are a few sensible ones, you just have to look hard!

[Edmond Zedo]

She's talking about me, callie, would you believe that? I'd think only someone without a firm grasp on sense would say I was senseless. I must be incorrect.

[songbird36]

She's talking about me, callie, would you believe that? I'd think only someone without a firm grasp on sense would say I was senseless. I must be incorrect.

Actually the post was intended to be quite flippant.

I don't think one can discuss this kind of "relationship" stuff too seriously - it doesn't lend itself to it!

[Edmond Zedo]

Actually the post was intended to be quite flippant.

I don't think one can discuss this kind of "relationship" stuff too seriously - it doesn't lend itself to it!
I have noticed many times that those without the intellectual capacity to understand something don't realize that, and instead think it CANNOT be understood.

Of course, I don't think this applies to you. If I did, int would ban me.

[callie]

I'd think only someone without a firm grasp on sense would say I was senseless. I must be incorrect.

I did not get it Edmond, sorry? sorry! :huh:

[coffeezombie]

I don't think my experiences of an INTJ husband are going to be much use to you. I assume you're not an INTJ or INTP yourself. If you are, I would suggest not getting involved with someone of the same type. This is just my personal opinion, but I don't think people of exactly the same type are inherently very compatible because they tend to magnify each others' worst type related faults.


A similar argument could be made that two people of the same type could be great for each other because they understand the nature of each other's faults and forgive each other for them. I suppose it all depends on how willing one is to accept one's faults when one sees them in another individual. Perhaps one should even try to see one's faults as positive traits. After all, it is society that really labels most of INT's traits as faults. They are not inherently so.

[songbird36]

I have noticed many times that those without the intellectual capacity to understand something don't realize that, and instead think it CANNOT be understood.

Of course, I don't think this applies to you. If I did, int would ban me.

I'm not saying Callie's queries cannot be discussed or analysed, it's just that human relationships, type relationships and so on are quite variable and also quite subjective.

While it might be possible to draw some broad generalisations, I think it's quite difficult to state any firm rules or principles that govern relationships between INTJ men and women of other types.

My experience of it will be vastly different from someone else's, due to variables to do with my character, variables to do with the characters of the men I've been involved with, and so on. Therefore my experience may or may not be helpful to Callie.

I think these sort of gender issues are best discussed in a lighthearted way anyway.

[Edmond Zedo]

I did not get it Edmond, sorry? well i am not a native engl. speak.... sorry! :huh:
Songbird is calling me senseless in a roundabout way (As opposed to directly which would surely get her banned). So, if you like sense, don't read what certain members who say I lack sense post.

[Edmond Zedo]

I'm not saying Callie's queries cannot be discussed or analysed, it's just that human relationships, type relationships and so on are quite variable and also quite subjective.

While it might be possible to draw some broad generalisations, I think it's quite difficult to state any firm rules or principles that govern relationships between INTJ men and women of other types.

My experience of it will be vastly different from someone else's, due to variables to do with my character, variables to do with the characters of the men I've been involved with, and so on. Therefore my experience may or may not be helpful to Callie.

I think these sort of gender issues are best discussed in a lighthearted way anyway.
You're right. Most people would benefit if certain members kept their distance from posting their analysis, as it can't be taken too seriously.

[songbird36]

You're right. Most people would benefit if certain members kept their distance from posting their analysis, as it can't be taken too seriously.

Sigh.

Well it can't be said I didn't try to smooth the waters.

[Edmond Zedo]

Sigh.

Well it can't be said I didn't try to smooth the waters.
It will be "smooth sailing" for certain members after I'm banned for "making waves" with my "big boat."

[songbird36]

It will be "smooth sailing" for certain members after I'm banned for "making waves" with my "big boat."

This would be better discussed in private messaging.

No-one's trying to get you banned - that's not the object of the exercise. But there are rules and they're there for a reason.

If you enjoy giving and receiving personal insults, that's your prerogative. I don't. I find it unpleasant and upsetting.

This doesn't make me an NF, it just means that I much prefer to keep debate and dialogue (including with you) on an issues level, not a personal level.

[Edmond Zedo]

This would be better discussed in private messaging.

No-one's trying to get you banned - that's not the object of the exercise. But there are rules and they're there for a reason.

If you enjoy giving and receiving personal insults, that's your prerogative. I don't. I find it unpleasant and upsetting.

This doesn't make me an NF, it just means that I much prefer to keep debate and dialogue (including with you) on an issues level, not a personal level.
Correction: int is trying to get me banned, and I only assume you are too. If I upset you, put me on your ignore list. You know what I find upsetting and very, very unpleasant? Idiots (Not you, of course).

[songbird36]

Correction: int is trying to get me banned, and I only assume you are too. If I upset you, put me on your ignore list. You know what I find upsetting and very, very unpleasant? Idiots (Not you, of course).

Well I presume I am an idiot you've told me a number of times you think so.

Despite that, I'd rather not "ignore" anyone here. Everyone has valid and interesting ideas to contribute. But you've made it clear that you have no intention of refraining from insulting me at every opportunity.

What do I do?

[songbird36]

If you want to put me on an "ignore" list maybe that would be a better solution to this.

[Edmond Zedo]

If you want to put me on an "ignore" list maybe that would be a better solution to this.
I think it's moot at this point.

[Geoff]

Well this thread is certainly turning into INTJ vs INTP, heh.

Play nicely people ;).

As it happens I work closely with an INTJ and am quite used now to his different sides. He is one of the few people I can make schroedingers cat jokes to and he knows what on earth I am talking about, for example. In an office full of ISTJ that is quite important.

He doesnt come across as very emotional, as many INTJ do not. Same could probably be said of INTP I am sure. He is good at practical solutions but doesnt grasp the big picture in quite the same way - gets a little tied in the 'rules' to see beyond them perhaps. But wow, power to organise to me I can do with :)

Seems very tolerant and also does the leg pulling thing that others mentioned about INTJ. Sharp wit, but does not know when to stop teasing the vulnerable (in our case, ESFJ or ISFJ or ENFJ). Oh, and waits to be asked to do stuff. Dont know how typical all of that is.

Clearly intelligent with a big demand for knowledge of the world - without the tendency to drift and flit around. Conflict with me as an INTP is apparent failure to see beyond the detail, and perhaps at me not wanting to be as organised as an INTJ would want.

Hope this helps someone who asked for more detail on INTJ guys - of course as a straight male I can't give a romantic take, but I do work with this guy closely all week long.

-Geoff

[Heather Harrison]

Geoff, your description of INTJ sounds right to me. Some of my friends are this type, and although I seem to be primarily INTP, there is definitely some of the INTJ in me. It is funny that the two types will have conflicts; I see them as closely allied types. The biggest differences that I see are that INTJs are more goal-oriented, organized, ambitious, and conscious of rules, whereas INTPs have trouble with goals and schedules, are less organized, can be lazy, and often don't care for rules. Both types are typically very logical and scientific, with INTJs leaning towards the more practical end of things. Both definitely have an insatiable hunger for knowledge, and both tend to be outwardly unemotional. In my case, my organizational skills are very good (INTJ characteristic), but I only put these skills into practice when I need to. For example, if I didn't have a detailed organization scheme for my 5000+ records (LPs, 45s, and 78s), I would never be able to find particular ones when I want them. Also (typical INTJ), I get upset if someone puts back a record in the wrong place. But my desk at work is usually messy, and my apartment usually has a cluttered appearance - definitely INTP characteristics. I also spend a lot of time trying out different ideas and interests, only to lose some (but never all) interest in them when I reach a certain level of knowledge - another INTP characteristic. My overflowing bookcases, and the wide variety of books therein, will testify to this. Being this way has made it hard to keep up interest in my job, but the INTJ side of me has kept me there for 10 years. Money helps keep me there too - how else could I afford to buy the huge quantities of records, books, and myriad other items that are necessary to my intellectual growth?

Although it is controversial whether or not people can change type through life, I may have migrated from INTJ to INTP; I used to be more ambitious and practical, but the practical aspect of things has lost its appeal, and I see little reason to work extremely hard towards some goal only to lose interest in it when I reach it. My life is full of unfinished projects. Incidentally, when I was 17, I tested ISTJ (although S/N was ambiguous, and I believe it got me wrong - even at that age, I believe I was strongly N). Just recently, I tested strongly INTP. Both tests were the "official", professionally-administered MBTI.

Since I appear to have elements of both types within my personality, I don't see such a huge difference between the two; they are far more different from most other types than they are from each other.

Getting back to another area of discussion in this thread (romantic relationships), it is hard for me to comment on this because I am a loner who has avoided relationships. From knowing other probable INTJs and INTPs, relationship-avoidance seems to be a reasonably common characteristic of these types. But I have additional reasons, the details of which are beyond the scope of this thread.

I hope I have helped to clear up a few things, but I have probably also raised new questions, and maybe I have some things wrong.

Heather Harrison

[songbird36]

Interesting perspective Heather.

I think you're bang on about the scheduling/organisation difference between INTJs and INTPs. I am an INTJ (strong J preference) and am a compulsive planner and organiser. I do not like to leave anything to chance and I don't like surprises.

[songbird36]

I think I'm going to suggest to nobarcode that we set up a special INTJ secret society where we resolve those silly niggling questions like "Is there a God" in about 5-6 short action points.

[Geoff]

Do you do the teasing just a little bit too far thing? Or is that unique to my colleague.

-Geoff

[Edmond Zedo]

People don't change types, Heather. If you read enough you should be able to discern your own easily.

[songbird36]

Do you do the teasing just a little bit too far thing? Or is that unique to my colleague.

-Geoff

Yes I do, definitely. Ask Div about it!

[Edmond Zedo]

Interesting perspective Heather.

I think you're bang on about the scheduling/organisation difference between INTJs and INTPs. I am an INTJ (strong J preference) and am a compulsive planner and organiser. I do not like to leave anything to chance and I don't like surprises.
Boo! *didn't read rules; doesn't know if "scaring" is a bannable offense; is not overly distraught*

[nobarcode]

I think I'm going to suggest to nobarcode that we set up a special INTJ secret society where we resolve those silly niggling questions like "Is there a God" in about 5-6 short action points.I thought it was solved on the second page of the thread. It doesn't take a secret society to figure it out, only to be humored by it.

[songbird36]

Boo! *didn't read rules; doesn't know if "scaring" is a bannable offense; is not overly distraught*

Was that a j/k?

You'll have to hold a banner up next time..

[songbird36]

I thought it was solved on the second page of the thread. It doesn't take a secret society to figure it out, only to be humored by it.

Ah dammit which post was that?

Was it the one which postulated that God is a member of the Elves Society?

[Edmond Zedo]

Was that a j/k?

You'll have to hold a banner up next time..
No, I was trying to scare you. Did it work?

[songbird36]

No, I was trying to scare you. Did it work?

About as much as your threats to report my low IQ to the New Zealand Law Society..

[nobarcode]

Do you do the teasing just a little bit too far thing? Or is that unique to my colleague.

-Geoff
I do that all the time, and it's very confusing to me when people get upset. And the rest of your description was good too. A few of them became key points in figuring out whether I was P or J. INTP's, I've noticed, do have a better ability to see the bigger picture in one sense and I generally follow the rules if they work. And I'm either too focused on details or I don't notice the obvious ones, sometimes simultaneously. In addition, practicality is one of my favorite words. I use the word practical far more than logical.

[Edmond Zedo]

About as much as your threats to report my low IQ to the New Zealand Law Society..
They tell me they have top men working on it right now. So you must be scared off your sofa.

[songbird36]

They tell me they have top men working on it right now. So you must be scared off your sofa.

Yeah yeah I'm trembling in my boots.

One question I'm very interested in the answer to here.

If you are convinced I have such a low IQ and that I'm stupid why on earth do you bother even responding to my posts?

To annoy me? That doesn't seem good enough reason enough in itself.

[melancholeric]

Ah, one can feel the love....

[songbird36]

Ah, one can feel the love....

All very well but can YOU suggest an explanation?

It defies logic and reason to me..

[melancholeric]

Maybe Ed has a crush on you?

Or he just likes arguing, particularly with someone he considers intellectually inferior to him. Which would seemingly include roughly everyone here.

[Edmond Zedo]

If you are convinced I have such a low IQ and that I'm stupid why on earth do you bother even responding to my posts?

To annoy me? That doesn't seem good enough reason enough in itself.
We have an audience!+I'm a huge egomaniac!

[Edmond Zedo]

Maybe Ed has a crush on you?

Or he just likes arguing, particularly with someone he considers intellectually inferior to him. Which would seemingly include roughly everyone here.
Not everyone. Only certain members.

[Edmond Zedo]

It defies logic and reason to me..
Isn't that irrelevant, being that you prefer alogic (and excel in that arena)?

[melancholeric]

Not everyone. Only certain members.
I said "roughly everyone", didn't I?

Do you have a crush on these "certain members"?

[Edmond Zedo]

I said "roughly everyone", didn't I?

Do you have a crush on these "certain members"?
I refrain from having crushes on certain members, infatuating myself only with other members.

[melancholeric]

How come "certain members" is in plural, yet "other member(s)" is ambigously both plural and singular? Are you hinting that there's actually only one "other member"?

( And everyone else would belong to the first group. )

( And shit, I'm feeding your egomania here. )

[Edmond Zedo]

other members know who they are. :smooch:

[songbird36]

Lets get the names out in the open - we all know you have crushes on Booyalab and Indiejade.

And I'm sure they're quite willing to join your harem of high IQ women too. Will they be required to wear burqas?

[songbird36]

Oh and Melancholeric, notice he *still* hasn't answered what was a fairly simple question:

why would you bother to argue with someone whose views you have absolutely no respect for?

[melancholeric]

I doubt a high IQ woman would agree on the burqa thing....

And for the question, I said that maybe he just likes arguing. He didn't exactly disagree.

[Edmond Zedo]

Oh and Melancholeric, notice he *still* hasn't answered what was a fairly simple question:

why would you bother to argue with someone whose views you have absolutely no respect for?
Other members might have noticed I did answer the question directly. Scroll up, Friend.

[songbird36]

OK but why argue with someone whose views you don't respect because of their low IQ?

I don't do it. If I have no respect for a view or person I won't argue with them.

[Edmond Zedo]

Must I refer you to my answer...Again?

[booyalab]

*loud booming voice* SHUUUUUT UUUUUUP!!!!!!

[songbird36]

We have an audience!+I'm a huge egomaniac!

That was an explanation? OK it didn't look like it.

Leave me alone and go and schmooze with your adoring female fans, I'm sure you'll get much more of an audience there.

[nobarcode]

.....If I have no respect for a view or person I won't argue with them. :whistle: Really?

[songbird36]

:whistle: Really?

Yep.

[Edmond Zedo]

That was an explanation? OK it didn't look like it.

Leave me alone and go and schmooze with your adoring female fans, I'm sure you'll get much more of an audience there.
You try, I'll give you that.

[songbird36]

So do you, you just don't succeed unfortunately.

[Edmond Zedo]

So do you, you just don't succeed unfortunately.
Yes. I succeed fortunately.

[songbird36]

Go and talk to Booyalab or someone who'll listen to your ridiculous posturing.

I'm going to go and try and immerse myself in an interesting discussion thread. If you follow me there I will castrate you.

[nobarcode]

Yep.or
Do you do the teasing just a little bit too far thing?

[Edmond Zedo]

Go and talk to Booyalab or someone who'll listen to your ridiculous posturing.

I'm going to go and try and immerse myself in an interesting discussion thread. If you follow me there I will castrate you.
Threat! Threat! I'm telling!

[callie]

Hey! Geoff! Where do you live in the south of england???? :huh:

[Geoff]

Hey! Geoff! Where do you live in the south of england???? :huh:

Ah, is that a threat too? Lol. Err edge of Dorset. That is suitably anonymous ;)

Why do you ask?

-Geoff

[callie]

Because i live not very far from it.... somewhere on the continent.... so i just wanted to know... That's all........ but ok, i respect your privacy!!! :smooch: (and mine on the same time...)

[Geoff]

Ahh cool, the INTP world needs more English people. Which county is in the front of a part?

-Geoff

[callie]

Do i have the right to preserve my privacy as you preserve yours? :D :cheers:

[Geoff]

Heh, well you did say you lived in the sunshine in the midst of clouds. Shangri-La it is.

-Geoff

[callie]

Shangri-la? :unsure: Why Shangri-la? :o

[Geoff]

Shangri-la? :unsure: Why Shangri-la? :o

Because Shangri-La sounds a suitable answer to your location....

Dictionary definition :

Shan·gri-la ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shnggr-lä)
n. An imaginary remote paradise on earth; utopia.
A distant and secluded hideaway, usually of great beauty and peacefulness.

-Geoff

[misutii]

Because i live not very far from it.... somewhere on the continent.... so i just wanted to know... That's all........ but ok, i respect your privacy!!! :smooch: (and mine on the same time...)

umm i'm from canada but i'd wager callie is from

a) Northern France - perhaps callie corresponds with the beautiful province of calais? ou peut-etre normandie? (sorry i always like practicing my horrendous french)
b) Belgium
c) Netherlands

aight there's my geographical skillz

[Geoff]

umm i'm from canada but i'd wager callie is from

a) Northern France - perhaps callie corresponds with the beautiful province of calais? ou peut-etre normandie? (sorry i always like practicing my horrendous french)
b) Belgium
c) Netherlands

aight there's my geographical skillz

Well I happen to know that two of those are right ;).

Actually, I said Shangri-La because it corresponds to where her location is in her profile.

-Geoff

[callie]

What? :shock: My location in my profile? I am missing some important infos..... ??????? What do you mean? :unsure:

[Geoff]

Your location says "In the sunshine in the midst of clouds". Just underneath your name!

That made me think of Shangri-La.

So there is no secret way to work out where you are, dont worry!

-Geoff

[Swift]

umm i'm from canada but i'd wager callie is from

a) Northern France - perhaps callie corresponds with the beautiful province of calais? ou peut-etre normandie? (sorry i always like practicing my horrendous french)
b) Belgium
c) Netherlands How nice to see more people from this corner of the world on the board...

[curiouslittleboy]

Wow. Just, wow.

My first impression of socionics, at a glance, was that it was complete BS. Now, I am sure of that.
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spirital, my ass....that's complete bullshit...science/math for the win... >>:highfive:

[Vildechaya]

i can usually tell if someone's an intp or intj. they are rare but where i live i've got plenty of INTx, and soon you figure out the pattern.
here's the trick: INTJs truly act more similar to the INFJs. the IJ "silently stubborn" vibe is usually very strong. (in fact i find INTJs and INFJs harder to tell apart(especially in men because around women(which i am) men starts acting more F so you don't know if that's real)
basically if the person reminds you of more of an INFJ, but doesnt act too F, it's probably an INTJ.
So True!!! My BF is INTJ and this is him to a tee! Thanx for the insight!

[Medici]

How nice to see more people from this corner of the world on the board...

A corner, really?