Shakespeare and Miguel de Cervantes = Francis Bacon's authorship

[ryan_m_parr]

Read the links referenced below:

Quick summary of reasoning:
http://www.sirbacon.org/quixotewoodward.htm

Shelton's translation of Don Quixote:
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/langdon.html

The above link does not directly indicate, though implicit to considering something of the unusual conditions surrounding the novel and Shelton's Don Quixote.

Something very unusual also. . . Shakespeare and Cervantes died on the exact date (in spite of the Gregorian calendar being used in Spain, while Julian was used in England; different days actually.) From reading about Shakespeare on Wikipedia, it mentions his contact with Cervantes for a period of a few years. Cervantes Wiki article says nothing of the sort (though has quite a few incorrect details on it. . .)

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http://www.sirbacon.org/links/evidence.htm

His Promus:
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/notebook.html

And a mural of great significance
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/carrmural.html

RMP

PS: I'm a little surprised how much information actually indicates a connection to Francis Bacon.

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Complete scans (DiVu, PDF) and txt files of EXTREMELY RARE books:

References of Francis Bacon, being a bastard child from the House of Tudor

Go to www.archive.org and look for books with the search:

Tudor Trouble Bacon
Bacon Secret
Bacon and Shakespeare
Baconian heresy

http://books.google.com has Bacon Shakespeare Anatomy

Other great websites for books include, http://projectgutenberg.org

Otherwise, go to Abebooks.com to obtain books that aren’t found online. I just obtained the book Reminiscences of a Baconian, referenced in one of the above links.



PS: Oh yeah. . . . It's been awhile

[outmywindow]

Go ahead, yell at me for being a grammar nazi, but I automatically lose a certain percentage of interest in the ideas of a person who uses the 'word' "irregardless."

[sorabji_66]

re: contact between two literary giants...

sad to read anecdotes of meetings between writers that really didn't go anywhere.

thinking of some interaction involving Proust, Joyce, Wilde and whoever else was around at the time.

[Ferrus]

Sorry, your post was indecipherable.

[ryan_m_parr]

Go ahead, yell at me for being a grammar nazi, but I automatically lose a certain percentage of interest in the ideas of a person who uses the 'word' "irregardless."


Otherwords, you lack the temerity to admit, you don't know the English language?

It means:
Regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously

According to Webster:

Main Entry: ir?re?gard?less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'g?rd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

[ryan_m_parr]

Sorry, your post was indecipherable.


All I'm saying is, read

[joft]

Also, Belgium doesn't exist (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/).

[outmywindow]

a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously...


Where was the humor -- or need for humor -- in your statement about Myspace? :huh: Sounds to me like you just got caught using exceptionally bad grammar and are quickly trying to cover your ass.

[ryan_m_parr]

Where was the humor -- or need for humor -- in your statement about Myspace? :huh: Sounds to me like you just got caught using exceptionally bad grammar and are quickly trying to cover your ass.


Not only tdo you miss the point of the argument, but you resort to to using ad hominem attack? Let me know when you aren't too full of yourself; then perhaps I will listen to your 'opinion.'

[Ferrus]

http://www.sirbacon.org/gallery/karl.html

This has long been proven to be nonsense.

[Kahlua]

but you resort to to using ad hominem attack?

I stopped reading when I got to the tautology.

[wivesandknives]

I stopped reading when I got to the tautology.

to be fair, it wasn't so much tautology as it was a simple typo. D:

[stopharian]

Go ahead, yell at me for being a grammar nazi, but I automatically lose a certain percentage of interest in the ideas of a person who uses the 'word' "irregardless."


GRAMMAR NAZI!!!!!


In other news........

My Avatar is Don Quixote.

[stopharian]

Also, Belgium doesn't exist (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/).

I've often wondered if the same isnt true about Delaware.

[Ferrus]

My Avatar is Don Quixote.
Is your name Cervantes?

[djm]

There are loads of conspiricy theories concerning Shakespeare, all of them nonsense. Not that it makes a great deal of difference you either like reading his work or you don't.

[apple]

There are loads of conspiricy theories concerning Shakespeare, all of them nonsense. Not that it makes a great deal of difference you either like reading his work or you don't.

Some people even prefer seeing his work performed on stage

[Ferrus]

Some people even prefer seeing his work performed on stage
Yes, well with Shakespeare it has to be performed very well, otherwise the poetic quality of the plays are lost, which often (in my opinion) renders reading it preferable.

[apple]

Yes, well with Shakespeare it has to be performed very well, otherwise the poetic quality of the plays are lost, which often (in my opinion) renders reading it preferable.

I don't mind seeing Shakespeare badly performed- I find it amusing actually--and actually think it's interesting how his work is fit to be used in all sorts of performances, which shows its flexibility and power.

I always like to see how each person interprets Shakespeare- as his work I think is meant to be performed- to be interpreted and not limited to one static perception.

[Ferrus]

Yes, still there is a satisfaction of reading such plays as Othello or Hamlet as well as seeing them performed. Perhaps it is just my slow cognition, but reading the plays enables me to full explore phrases and expressions with a depth that would be lost at the speed at which most thespians recite. Reading Hamlets' agonising in private, in an introverted manner, seems apt to my mind, as applies with tragic (in a wholesome sense) novels.

[apple]

Yes, still there is a satisfaction of reading such plays as Othello or Hamlet as well as seeing them performed. Perhaps it is just my slow cognition, but reading the plays enables me to full explore phrases and expressions with a depth that would be lost at the speed at which most thespians recite. Reading Hamlets' agonising in private, in an introverted manner, seems apt to my mind, as applies with tragic (in a wholesome sense) novels.

Well yes Ferrus ;) it's nice to read the text first before seeing it performed- but I think the way his plays are written, it's much more of a sensual pleasure to hear his words recited, but then again I'm probably a lustful audiophile, so biased in that regard. However, since his plays also incorporate many characters, I'm also interested in how people stage his plays and use the physical stage to create a depth of time and space.

[djm]

Some people even prefer seeing his work performed on stage

Silly me I forgot he wrote plays as well as poetry :P

Fair comment though. I tend to prefer reading plays to watching them if the playwright is one where the performance can easily ruin the play.

I am fortunate in that I lived near Stratford-Upon-Avon for a few years and got access to cheap tickets at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre there, where the quality of acting is of a high standard. However if I went to watch Shakespeare performed in many English provincial theatres I would not be in for a treat.

Chekov is another playwright that can be easily be performed badly, the nuances need to be done well or it comes accross a bit 'vaudeville'.

I suppose it's like watching movies of books you like, when they do not match the theatre in your head it can dissapoint.

[ryan_m_parr]

**A news link and the comment I posted at the bottom of the website (it didn’t seem to show up because the host AOL, is crap. It sort of surprised me to see this being discussed**

The Genius was probably Francis Bacon, not Shakespeare. This is something extensively backed up, through the connections Bacon had all throughout the plays. The Promus, the Rosicrucians, Don Quixote is attributed to an odd cryptic reference (very clearly and prominantly in the introduction) of Francis Bacon. Francis Bacon was extremely smart and very easily could have done it. Given his education and background amongst other odd things, he produced a cypher that attributed his writings to him (amongst others less notable,) for the simple reason that he wanted to educate the masses on subject matter that they would never get access to otherwise. Francis Bacon was extremely driven, and could probably have written Shakespeares works in his free time; easily. Not to mention that Shakespeare had died in 1916, while many years go by with various plays that had never been published. Barely even a record exists of the bard, other than the illiteracy of his family (and some have reason to suspect even Shakespeare was illiterite.) There seems to be no hand written letters or plays to exist from him, and nothing more then his signature (nonsense scribble, even for a society without an organized language system, to write from.)

http://www.sirbacon.org/links/evidence.htm


** recent news posting**
Coalition Aims to Expose Shakespeare
By D'ARCY DORAN,
AP
Posted: 2007-09-09 10:54:27
(Sept. 8) -- The bard, or not the bard, that is the question.

Some of Britain's most distinguished Shakespearean actors have reopened the debate over whether William Shakespeare, a 16th century commoner raised in an illiterate household in Stratford-upon-Avon, wrote the plays that bear his name.

Acclaimed actor Derek Jacobi and Mark Rylance, the former artistic director of Shakespeare's Globe Theater in London, unveiled a "Declaration of Reasonable Doubt" on the authorship of Shakespeare's work Saturday, following the final matinee of "I am Shakespeare," a play investigating the bard's identity, in Chichester, southern England.

A small academic industry has developed around the effort to prove that Shakespeare, a provincial lad, could not have written the much-loved plays, with their expertise on law, ancient and modern history and mathematics.

The "real" author has been identified by various writers in the past as Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, or the Earl of Oxford, Edward de Vere.

"I subscribe to the group theory. I don't think anybody could do it on their own," Jacobi said. "I think the leading light was probably de Vere, as I agree that an author writes about his own experiences, his own life and personalities."

The declaration put forward by the Shakespeare Authorship Coalition - signed online by nearly 300 people - aims to provoke new research into who was responsible for the plays, sonnets and poems attributed to the writer.

Jacobi and Rylance presented a copy of the document to William Leahy, head of English at Brunel University in west London and head of the first graduate program in Shakespeare Authorship Studies, which begins this month.

The document says there are no records that any William Shakespeare received payment or secured patronage for writing. And it adds that although documents exist for Shakespeare, all are nonliterary.

It also points to his detailed will, in which Shakespeare famously left his wife "my second best bed with the furniture," as containing no clearly Shakespearean turn of phrase and mentioning no books, plays or poems.

The declaration names 20 prominent doubters of the past, including Mark Twain, Orson Welles , Sir John Gielgud and Charlie Chaplin .

It argues there are few connections between Shakespeare's life and his alleged works, but they do show a strong familiarity with the lives of the upper classes and a confident grasp of obscure details from places like Italy.

"It's a legitimate question, it has a mystery at its center and intellectual discussion will bring us closer to that center," Leahy said. "That's not to say we will answer anything, that's not the point. 'It is, of course, to question.'"
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2007-09-09 08:53:34