US Medical Community continues to tighten its death grip on patients

[stopharian]

The Security Guard who did this is an Ignoramus but what makes hospitals think they can employ guards who they empower to use nearly lethal force to keep you from leaving their premises.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070814/ap_on_re_us/tasered_dad

check out the video footage on the left.


The guy/victim/whatever sounds like a hot head idiot, but when you and your wife decide you want to go home, why would someone even have the temerity to say that the doctors wont permit it?

[Lateralus]

:wtf:

[helium]

The Security Guard who did this is an Ignoramus but what makes hospitals think they can employ guards who they empower to use nearly lethal force to keep you from leaving their premises.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070814/ap_on_re_us/tasered_dad

check out the video footage on the left.


The guy/victim/whatever sounds like a hot head idiot, but when you and your wife decide you want to go home, why would someone even have the temerity to say that the doctors wont permit it?

Because people (hotheads especially) are inclined to sue. This is nothing.

[Ivy]

Also, and I am not at all defending the stupid decision to taze the guy holding the baby, but babies go with mothers. Usually they have matching armbands. The hospital can't assume that the guy who says he's the baby's dad is actually the baby's dad, or that the mother wants the baby's dad to take the baby. They're not in the business of deciding custody.

I'm curious about the "doctors wouldn't allow it" part. I've never heard of that. As far as I know they can't keep you against your will, can they? You would have to sign out against medical advice.

[Ellipsis]

I'm curious about the "doctors wouldn't allow it" part. I've never heard of that. As far as I know they can't keep you against your will, can they? You would have to sign out against medical advice.

From what I have learned for House MD is that you have the right to refuse treatment unless you are certifiably insane....as for reality thats another matter....It would seem insane that they could charge you insane amounts and then refuse to allow you to leave

[Oculus Sinister]

From what I have learned for House MD is that you have the right to refuse treatment unless you are certifiably insane....as for reality thats another matter....It would seem insane that they could charge you insane amounts and then refuse to allow you to leave

Excellent source. You really do your research. :highfive:

[stopharian]

Also, and I am not at all defending the stupid decision to taze the guy holding the baby, but babies go with mothers. Usually they have matching armbands. The hospital can't assume that the guy who says he's the baby's dad is actually the baby's dad, or that the mother wants the baby's dad to take the baby. They're not in the business of deciding custody.

I'm curious about the "doctors wouldn't allow it" part. I've never heard of that. As far as I know they can't keep you against your will, can they? You would have to sign out against medical advice.


Makes sense.......I dont know the specifics of course but the article says that the man and his wife tried to check out together and that the wife was standing next to him. When they tazed the guy they picked the baby up and put it in his wifes arms.


Weird.

[Ivy]

Makes sense.......I dont know the specifics of course but the article says that the man and his wife tried to check out together and that the wife was standing next to him. When they tazed the guy they picked the baby up and put it in his wifes arms.

Another thing that strikes me about this story (no pun intended): when I had my daughter, they didn't want us to walk to the elevator and out to the car. (Not that I would have felt like it, really.) It was hospital policy that the mother be pushed in a wheelchair while holding the baby, and taken outside the hospital doors (and I understand from talking to other parents that this is pretty widely true). They also didn't want us to walk around holding her in the hospital-- they wanted us to use the little wheely cart thing to get around. I assume the reasoning for this is to reduce liability in case one of us fell or dropped the baby while walking, so we couldn't sue them for it. This sounds like a case of Barney Fife carrying out the hospital's policy in a way that defeats the purpose of the policies.

[ben from below]

Fuck the police. I hope this guy sues those cops so hard their grandkids will be poor. I can't fucking stand pigs. They charged the father with child endangerment. HELLO! Those fuckers shot at a man holding a baby. Goddammit this kind of shit gets under my skin. Barney Fife for sure.