INTPs and emotions

[Avengardh]

{see original thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=24235)}

[MacGuffin]

Emotions are not only wonderful but essential.

I opened up to them early (high school) and I am glad I did.

Hearts & Minds
Since Plato, scholars have drawn a clear distinction between thinking and feeling. Now science suggests that our emotions are what make thought possible. (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/04/29/hearts__minds/)


When Damasio first published his results in the early 1990s, most cognitive scientists assumed that emotions interfered with rational thought. A person without any emotions should be a better thinker, since their cortical computer could process information without any distractions.

But Damasio sought out patients who had suffered brain injuries that prevented them from perceiving their own feelings, and put this idea to the test. The lives of these patients quickly fell apart, he found, because they could not make effective decisions. Some made terrible investments and ended up bankrupt; most just spent hours deliberating over irrelevant details, such as where to eat lunch. These results suggest that proper thinking requires feeling. Pure reason is a disease.

[MacGuffin]

Heh, I copied this for other non-04 INTPs to comment on.

[C.J.Woolf]

Pure reason is a disease.The fucked-upedness of most of the great mathemeticians and chessplayers would support that.

[airjaw]

{see original thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=24235)}

what kind of fucked-up recursive link is this??

[Nighthawk]

When my inferior Fe comes out to play ... then emotions are no small matter.

[Anonymous]

I don't bother repressing emotions any further than for personality cosmetic reasons, if you will, but I just don't feel deep emotions very often. Frustration, annoyance, anger, and sometimes hate are the only emotions I usually feel. Although this one time when I took LSD, I did feel happy.

[Nighthawk]

Frustration, annoyance, anger, and sometimes hate are the only emotions I usually feel.

Ditto ... and depression, if you can call that an emotion.

[Anonymous]

Ditto ... and depression, if you can call that an emotion.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that, which is why I didn't include it. If depression counts, though, I'd like to add in paranoia, as I've been having strong bouts of that all day. Not as strong as substance-induced paranoia, but strong enough. Right now, I'm extremely worried, since I'm not hungry yet and it's 5pm, at which time I usually eat. Now I can reason that it's because I ate lunch at about 1:30pm, and that not being hungry is nothing to worry about. Yet reasoning usually doesn't help paranoia with me.

[Llewellyn]

I believe indeed that a core activity of an INTP is using emotions for reasoning. Maybe he uses up a lot of it for that cause, and is therefore left 'without'. He just has the potential to use a lot of it for reasoning.

[rainfall]

The fucked-upedness of most of the great mathemeticians and chessplayers would support that.

I think I wouldn't mind being fucked up all too much as a trade for greatness...

[walfin]

most just spent hours deliberating over irrelevant details, such as where to eat lunch.
Sounds like me. Lunch is really really important though. Gives you energy for the better part of the day. Breakfast doesn't matter since you're gonna be sleepy in the morning anyway and dinner doesn't matter since you're gonna sleep soon after that.


And anger, frustration etc. are emotions that can be quite powerful.

[skip]

Frustration, annoyance, anger, and sometimes hate are the only emotions I usually feel.

Why would anyone want to go through life that way?

And Nighthawk, aren't you married? Don't you feel passion and love for your marriage and wife?

[puzzled-observer]

I think I wouldn't mind being fucked up all too much as a trade for greatness...

Greatness is just a matter of being fucked up enough to focus your entire life on one thing. If you wouldn't mind that kind of thing, greatness is well within reach.

[Llewellyn]

Greatness is just a matter of being fucked up enough to focus your entire life on one thing. If you wouldn't mind that kind of thing, greatness is well within reach.

Reminds me of the movie Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind where what's-her-name was 'just a fucked up girl'.

[LowEnd]

Aren't emotions the root of innovation and creativity? Without these things we would still be eating leaves and raw meat, and so would never have gotten a decent brain in the first place. It is completely understandable that the rigid hive of calculation floats on a vulnerable emotive soup. That's where it came from.

Emotions are always there to tip the balance when the calculations get too irrelevant for everyday living. I suppose we can thank emotions for the ability to generalize and cut corners when they aren't important. For instance, 'fight or flight' wouldn't be quite the same without emotion. Slower with less conviction. We'd be dead without emotion.

/ramble

[Hustler]

Aren't emotions the root of innovation and creativity?
No. There's definitely some other phenomenon at work.

[Helios]

I read something on one of the "lesser forums" (yeah, I was slumming). Anyway, by chance I stumbled into something that seemed very true in my case. On a scale of 1-10; INTP emotions come in at 1 or 10.

And that is pretty much that way they are for me, Just a random blip, curiously glanced at and then dismissed, or a hull-breaching apocalypse

[walfin]

On a scale of 1-10; INTP emotions come in at 1 or 10.
That makes us closer to digital than analog, then.

I knew it. We are robots after all.

[fresh]

I read something on one of the "lesser forums" (yeah, I was slumming). Anyway, by chance I stumbled into something that seemed very true in my case. On a scale of 1-10; INTP emotions come in at 1 or 10.

And that is pretty much that way they are for me, Just a random blip, curiously glanced at and then dismissed, or a hull-breaching apocalypse

Ah, I disagree.

Sometimes, the fluctuation is from a 2 to a 9.

[notjeffgoldblum]

I suspect emotions are just one of the many follies of us irrational animals.

[Llewellyn]

No. There's definitely some other phenomenon at work.

Still, things are based on emotions. Even rational and creative thinking are based on perception (and therewith emotion) at least.

All living is perceiving.

[notjeffgoldblum]

I don't think emotions are necessary if you are purposely aware of the irrationality, or perhaps the oft hidden rationality, of life.

[Hustler]

Still, things are based on emotions. Even rational and creative thinking are based on perception (and therewith emotion) at least.
Sorry, no. That's just wrong.


All living is perceiving.
And that's a useless platitude.

[walfin]

All living is perceiving.
Not to mention that you're forgetting the judging functions.

[Llewellyn]

I don't think emotions are necessary if you are purposely aware of the irrationality, or perhaps the oft hidden rationality, of life.

Purposeful awareness already incorporates emotions. You know the research in which people with damage to their emotional center (something like that) could not make any useful decision anymore? In fact went about making all kinds of detrimental decisions?

[Llewellyn]

Sorry, no. That's just wrong.

And that's a useless platitude.

Ok, thinking comes before emotion (in evolutionary history, also), that is what I think. But perception is still what provides it all. What do you think something would come from?


Not to mention that you're forgetting the judging functions.

Well, I think thoughts are also perceptions. Emotion is more tied to judgement, indeed. Ok, I have to extend: Life is half perception, half creation. (And emotion plays its role). There must be some law of equal "enthropy".

Excuse me that I enter some of my subjective thinking here. But isn't that what Ti is about? Part of these things is disovering, otherwise one could judge away everything from the start.

And excuses as well for being a little off-topic (or not, maybe it has relevance).

[Hustler]

Ok, thinking comes before emotion (in evolutionary history, also), that is what I think. But perception is still what provides it all. What do you think something would come from?
What are you trying to say? I advise you to attempt a logical argument. Only then can I supply you with the reasons you're wrong instead of just telling you you're wrong.

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Well, I think thoughts are also perceptions. Emotion is more tied to judgement, indeed. Ok, I have to extend: Life is half perception, half creation. (And emotion plays its role). There must be some law of equal "enthropy".

Excuse me that I enter some of my subjective thinking here. But isn't that what Ti is about? Part of these things is disovering, otherwise one could judge away everything from the start.

And excuses as well for being a little off-topic (or not, maybe it has relevance).

Never mind.

[Llewellyn]

I suspect emotions are just one of the many follies of us irrational animals.

Ooh, such disrespect for emotions...

I think emotions denote our connection with the supernatural (Am I banned yet?).