Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family

[Swift]

Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family
By Anthony Browne
While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html

[mgb]

ahh, it's just people flying off the handle. What do you expect from people who base their entire lives on faith...

(can already see people picking up rocks)

[booyalab]

I have known this for awhile(9 years) and there are a lot more 'controversial' things in that religion besides this. It's funny how a major tragedy has to occur for most people to bother to learn about the subjects involved, and suddenly everything that is learned is treated like breaking news.

[Claverhouse]

The penalty for apostacy in Islam has been execution since it's inception, usually by family members ( family's always embarrassing ) or under clerical direction, but in default by any concerned citizen.

Then there's Honour Killing, but that's cultural and only tangentially linked to Islam. Family again, and even worse.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

Then there's Honour Killing, but that's cultural and only tangentially linked to Islam. Family again, and even worse.



that's one of the 'controversial' things i was referring to but, yeah, now that I think about it you're right..it is pretty cultural.

[songbird36]

The penalty for apostacy in Islam has been execution since it's inception, usually by family members ( family's always embarrassing ) or under clerical direction, but in default by any concerned citizen.

Then there's Honour Killing, but that's cultural and only tangentially linked to Islam. Family again, and even worse.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

So family principles of conduct are worse than fundamentalist Islamic ones Claverhouse? I can sense a whole new thread coming on...

[Claverhouse]

So family principles of conduct are worse than fundamentalist Islamic ones Claverhouse? I can sense a whole new thread coming on...
'A man's enemies shall be of his own house.' And I'm not enamoured of the Bible.

Or as one of our English poets put it: 'They really ... Your Mum and Dad'.

Not that they did me, I turned out just fine; but I vaguely think some on this forum would embrace a 'Philip Larkin's Greatest Line: True or Not' thread...



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Hypnos]

I didn't realize that the UK was this backward. :blink:

[Claverhouse]

I didn't realize that the UK was this backward. :blink:
Well, they are GB citizens, but not very often British people ( muslims: but also hindus and all kinds of African religions ). We have had hordes of immigrants since the end of WWII and we going to get hordes more thanks to our political masters wishing to replace the european stock with other races. Eventually there will be a nice old-fashioned race-war.

Anyway, muslims and hindus and sikhs kill each other in India for religious reasons, and frequently enough their own people for dozens of reasons that seem good enough to them: if you're a multi-culturalist why shouldn't they do it in host-nations ?

Britons haven't killed each other for religious reasons for an awful long time. Nearly 300 years if you think that long.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[nobarcode]

Well, they are GB citizens, but not very often British people ( muslims: but also hindus and all kinds of African religions ). We have had hordes of immigrants since the end of WWII and we going to get hordes more thanks to our political masters wishing to replace the european stock with other races. Eventually there will be a nice old-fashioned race-war..
Claverhouse :ph34r:

I recently saw something of this on a satillite news show and it seemed more of a political debate. At least as reported.

But a few GB citizens I've talked to over here seemed to know nothing about it whatsoever. They acted like they didn't care.

That seems unfortunate.

[Hypnos]

Anyway, muslims and hindus and sikhs kill each other in India for religious reasons, and frequently enough their own people for dozens of reasons that seem good enough to them: if you're a multi-culturalist why shouldn't they do it in host-nations ?
But I'm not a multiculturalist -- I'm "a-cultural." It's stupid in India, and worse in a G5 nation like the UK that these people can't get police protection.

Maybe they should seek asylum in the US ;P

[Claverhouse]

Well, the race-mixing is not an issue because the liberal management dominates all discourse and has made even defensive racialism a thought-crime ( Old Lady: 'I don't like how things are now...' Them: 'You fucking nazi: you're responsible for 12 million jews being steamed/dieseled/gassed/electrocuted/hung/shot/cremated/vaporised by atomic devices in the camps.' )

But it works backwards too, they recently found about 1-2 million young male Britons supposed to be in GB weren't here: so pissed off with the dying feminised society we have here, they'd all gone off to live in other parts of the world, especially S-E Asia. Which I'd find unattractive even without the now forgotten tsusami...

Still, the USA has it's own similar problems: I get VDARE's email regularly enough. Aztlan lives !



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Hypnos]

Still, the USA has it's own similar problems: I get VDARE's email regularly enough. Aztlan lives !
Who are these nitwits?

Prosperity cures all -- all policy should be geared towards long-term economic viability. This is not even tangentially related to race; it's related to education, open immigration for peaceful, skilled foreigners, retracting the welfare state, etc.

[Claverhouse]

Who are these nitwits?

Prosperity cures all -- all policy should be geared towards long-term economic viability. This is not even tangentially related to race; it's related to education, open immigration for peaceful, skilled foreigners, retracting the welfare state, etc.
Sorry, I forgot to make a link. It's a bunch of academic libertarians opposed to the US Government's policies on open borders. Sailer's quite an interesting thinker. VDARE (http://www.vdare.com/).



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[ If though, you're referring to the reconquista now taking place in the west of America, I have some sympathy for the hispanics. The American Government's official explanation to foreign powers for annexing the Texan Republic was on moral principle: that it was necessary in order to guarantee the maintenance and expansion of Slavery --- but really it was just a land-grab. ]

[John Robinson]

Anyone know of any stats on this issues with regard to North America?