end of our world

[avidApathy]

The Far Future as i see it:
conglomeration=global government==the End of the World as we know it=space colonization

Thoughts?

[pintpi]

I may be just dreaming or hoping at least but I think within the next 15 - 20 years there is going to be a big backlash against conglomeration and the whole idea of corporations in general. I dream of the day they lose their status as an individual with human rights under the constitution (american perspective).

I think a global government is far in the future. Somewhere around 300 - 400 years, if we last that long.

End of the world as we know it seems to happen about every 50 years, just meaning a radical change in society. That may come with the corporate backlash know that I think of it.

Space colonization, somewhat relative term, we have 2 people living in space right now although I can't figure out why they are at the moment, other than to say, "Hey, we have 2 people living in space." I don't see 100s or 1000s of people in space, on the moon or on another planet within the next few hundred years. Hard to tell though that is mostly a technology issue tommorow someone could find a cheap way to get to space, so as soon as it gets cheep basically.

[avidApathy]

I may be just dreaming or hoping at least but I think within the next 15 - 20 years there is going to be a big backlash against conglomeration and the whole idea of corporations in general. I dream of the day they lose their status as an individual with human rights under the constitution (american perspective).

I think a global government is far in the future. Somewhere around 300 - 400 years, if we last that long.

End of the world as we know it seems to happen about every 50 years, just meaning a radical change in society. That may come with the corporate backlash know that I think of it.
I have those same hopes, though i tend to be very pessimistic about people waking up to the realities of the world. People are just to closedminded, or something. If only there were more INTP's out there who were taken more seriously by the masses, we might still be able to turn our world around?

[joft]

i dream of a utopia

no currency, all labor and exchange are volunteer only. unlimited clean energy and automated technology mean there are no "menial" tasks, although some people do things like farming for their own aesthetic pleasure

very little human reproduction, medical advances having made our life spans indefinite. with death no longer being inevitable, it is viewed as much greater of a tragedy, and all violence ceases. there is no crime because everyone knows that they have all the time they could want to accomplish anything they want to

quantum mechanics will have made faster than light transportation possible, human colonies exist in several other galaxies, "life" has been discovered in many different forms but only one other "civilization" has been found and they are more advanced than us and are helping us

as far as the end of the world... there are so many ways it could happen. but I would say the most likely is global warming.

[avidApathy]

the world in your head must be full of fluffy clouds and pink halos to have such a beautiful view of the future.

[joft]

that's my dream for the future... my actual idea of what the future will be like is much different. it's more along the lines of the movie Brazil. except, the bureaucracy is mostly concealed in a bunch of individualism rhetoric.

my pragmatic worldview is horrible, I'm well aware of the numbers of people starving and all that kind of stuff, and I have no hope for the future if I don't shut this realiity out somewhat. it's hard to go against everything that history tells you, that this bullshit cycle has been going on for as long as humans have recorded their own history, and not one fucking person who's in control has learned anything from it

[pintpi]

that's my dream for the future... my actual idea of what the future will be like is much different. it's more along the lines of the movie Brazil. except, the bureaucracy is mostly concealed in a bunch of individualism rhetoric.
Yup, I think my view of the future is pretty close to yours. There is the dream future and then there is the reality future.


my pragmatic worldview is horrible, I'm well aware of the numbers of people starving and all that kind of stuff, and I have no hope for the future if I don't shut this realiity out somewhat. it's hard to go against everything that history tells you, that this bullshit cycle has been going on for as long as humans have recorded their own history, and not one fucking person who's in control has learned anything from it
This is what plagues my thought the most or it used to. I have had to quit thinking about for the most part as it is quite depressing but I just feel like shaking these people that can't learn from history and saying "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

[Star]

joft's utopia sounds exactly like mine.

Unfortunately, what I think it will actually happen is different.

* puts on Kreskin hat *

I think that the human race at this point in time is just -much- too far off the track of progress to ever make it off the planet earth. I predict that the human race will have at least one more near-complete, possibly self-inflicted die-off and regrowth (rebuilding civilization from the stone age) before we can get it right.

And I love the idea that we've done this before, maybe dozens of times. The reincarnation of a civilization; technology found, lost, found again. Someday we'll escape it. Not this time, though.

"Starved in Samsara on planet TV"
--Allen Ginsburg

[Shai Gar]

jofts dream of the future is what i want for the future too

but my veiw of the future is more militaristic than that, with the US as we know it gone after a violently instantaneously short coup that gets rid of everyone who exercised evil power through the US govt and other governments. and then a return to anarchism for a while before warlords and idealords come back