DAY | MONTH | YEAR

[Shai Gar]

what is so hard about this system? EY?

anyway i was told to put the suggestion here. either make it the norm or make it an option for those of us who live outside the USA

[Claverhouse]

Yeah: I could tolerate Year/Month/Day even, but how the hell anyone ever came up with Month/Day/Year is mind-boggling.

Might as well be Year/Day/Month or something equally illogical.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

*alogical

[mgb]

*alogical
illogical.

[CreativeChaos]

illogical.

Maget Dung

[MacGuffin]

Yeah: I could tolerate Year/Month/Day even, but how the hell anyone ever came up with Month/Day/Year is mind-boggling.

Might as well be Year/Day/Month or something equally illogical.



Claverhouse :ph34r:
Wait.

You prefer Day/Month over Month/Day.

Yet if you put the Year in front you favor that it goes in front of Month/Day instead of your preferred Day/Month.

That is illogical.

[Zero Angel]

yyyy/mm/dd would be the best way to categorize any event. It is easily sorted (alpha-numerically) when compared to the other methods. As like if you named your files: "04-29-2004 Report", "11-02-2004 Report" and "02-12-2005 Report", the reports would be sorted incorrectly (with the 02, 04, 11 being sorted in that order), nevermind if you had several dozens of these. The organization would be such a mess that it would be almost impossible to properly find them. The huerestics are all screwed up.

[CreativeChaos]

Gee! I wonder what this place was like before Me? :zzz:

[tragula]

I think we should just go with Stardate times.

Which reminds me, why isn't there a thread on Digital Time? Or is there...

[Zero Angel]

Gee! I wonder what this place was like before Me? :zzz:
Less "bloated" :nerd:

[Ascending]

I see this illogical/alogical thing becoming something of mythical lore.

Beware!

[booyalab]

I see this illogical/alogical thing becoming something of mythical lore.

Beware!

give me the logic (whether fallacious or not)behind why we should beware, otherwise I'm going to have to dismiss that word as alogical.

[Zero Angel]

Feeling is alogical, because it has rationale, but is very abstract and relative, relying on shifting reference points. I think...

'rationals' seem to love what is abstract and logical, regardless of rationale. 'factual' is the hard light of truth, and is the enemy of 'theoretic'.

Logic - Rational, abstract, logical
Feeling - Rational, abstract, Alogical
Theoretic - Irrational, abstract, logical
Intolerance - Irrational, concrete, Alogical
Factual - Rational, Concrete, Logical

This is very incomplete and fragmented, i'm trying to refine this...

[booyalab]

Logic - Rational, abstract, logical
Feeling - Rational, abstract, Alogical
Theoretic - Irrational, abstract, logical
Intolerance - Irrational, concrete, illogical
Factual - Rational, Concrete, Logical

*would love to see this made into a ven diagram*

[CreativeChaos]

Less "bloated" :nerd:

ppifffttt...you guys were posting gads long before I got here. :zzz:

[Zero Angel]

Then we will change our posts to suit your agenda. I almost forgot this was an NF forum. ;)

gad·fly (n)
1. A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
2. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
3. Any of various flies, especially of the family Tabanidae, that bite or annoy livestock and other animals.

[Geoff]

yyyy/mm/dd would be the best way to categorize any event. It is easily sorted (alpha-numerically) when compared to the other methods. As like if you named your files: "04-29-2004 Report", "11-02-2004 Report" and "02-12-2005 Report", the reports would be sorted incorrectly (with the 02, 04, 11 being sorted in that order), nevermind if you had several dozens of these. The organization would be such a mess that it would be almost impossible to properly find them. The huerestics are all screwed up.

The main problem is having to explain which system you are using when you correspond across the Atlantic (as I often do). If you dont say what you mean by 06-07-2004 somebody inevitably assumes you mean 7 June, and someone knowing something about Britain tries to be clever and puts 6 July when you had already converted to their native format.

It is all quite ridiculous!

-Geoff

[Zero Angel]

Exactly, the order has pissed me off more then once. In canada, i'm not sure what the heck order they use now and tend to get confused and confuse others when presenting dates in strict numerical order.

For example, we tend to speak:
"June 14th, 2004"

but tend to write it:
"14-04-2004"

WTF?! Its all so pointless and ridiculous. Reversing that order EXACTLY would fix all problems with chronology, because we will never say or even think: "2004 14th of June" or some odd thing like that.

Maybe I'm being too RATIONAL about that but its only cuz I have strong FEELINGs about that kind of inefficiency and confusion.

[jimkopelli]

Feeling is alogical, because it has rationale, but is very abstract and relative, relying on shifting reference points. I think...

'rationals' seem to love what is abstract and logical, regardless of rationale. 'factual' is the hard light of truth, and is the enemy of 'theoretic'.

Logic - Rational, abstract, logical
Feeling - Rational, abstract, Alogical
Theoretic - Irrational, abstract, logical
Intolerance - Irrational, concrete, Alogical
Factual - Rational, Concrete, Logical

This is very incomplete and fragmented, i'm trying to refine this...
*would love to see this made into a ven diagram*
XYZ axis would be easier. But I'm not bored enough.

[CreativeChaos]

Then we will change our posts to suit your agenda. I almost forgot this was an NF forum. ;)

gad·fly (n)
1. A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
2. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
3. Any of various flies, especially of the family Tabanidae, that bite or annoy livestock and other animals.

Yeah! Okay! :angry:

[Claverhouse]

Wait.

You prefer Day/Month over Month/Day.

Yet if you put the Year in front you favor that it goes in front of Month/Day instead of your preferred Day/Month.

That is illogical.

The proper way is day/month/year = little/big/biggest.

But even year/month/day is logical: biggest/big/little. But it is silly.

Month/day/year is big/little/biggest. Both illogical and silly.

I can't conceive why Geoff conforms to this system when in the States. The only way to alter unfortunate facts is to force others to accept one's own superior system.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

For example, we tend to speak:
"June 14th, 2004"

but tend to write it:
"14-04-2004"

Canadians have trouble with numbers ? Or with months ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[athman]

Canadians have trouble with numbers ? Or with months ?
Claverhouse :ph34r:
or with Americans?

So, while we're having a good whinge, why doesn't everyone drive on the same side of the road? (and no, I don't mean all at once). Its left hand drive in the USA and right hand drive in so many other places.

[Shai Gar]

GIVE US THE OPTION TO PUT THE DATE HOW WE LIKE IT, just as we have that option in time stamping in IRC

[file cabinet]

GIVE US THE OPTION TO PUT THE DATE HOW WE LIKE IT, just as we have that option in time stamping in IRC

it is a global setting not a per user setting.
I think the most logical is yyyy-mm-dd only because it sorts alphanumerically[useful for when timestamping files or timestamp in db, although in a table I usually prefer a unix timestamp over yyyy-mm-dd].
I prefer mm-dd-yyyy though because I'm comfortable with it.

[Shai Gar]

i agree with that, in fact i use YYYY MM DD when i write the date in everything bar government documents. but still damnit i want change i need change, i live for reeducation, and that means changing the date settings

[MacGuffin]

or with Americans?

So, while we're having a good whinge, why doesn't everyone drive on the same side of the road? (and no, I don't mean all at once). Its left hand drive in the USA and right hand drive in so many other places.We drive on the side most of the world does.

And YYYY/MM/DD makes the most sense, but DD/MM/YYYY is probably easier to say while staying in logical order.

[booyalab]

Um, it's right hand driving in the US.

[MacGuffin]

Um, it's right hand driving in the US.
Left hand driving means the driver's seat and steering wheel are on the left hand side of the car.

[Geoff]

Left hand driving means the driver's seat and steering wheel are on the left hand side of the car.

Heh, not to me. But anyway the worldwide split is probably wider than most people think. It isnt just the odd country that drives on the left hand side of the road. There are actually 74 countries with a population of nearly 2 billion! Here are some of the largest (by population)...

India 952,107,694
Indonesia 206,611,600
Pakistan 129,275,660
Japan 125,449,703
Bangladesh 123,062,800
Thailand 58,851,357
United Kingdom 58,489,975
South Africa 41,743,459
Tanzania 29,058,470
Kenya 28,176,686
Nepal 22,094,033
Uganda 20,158,176
Malaysia 19,962,893
Sri Lanka 18,553,074
Australia 18,260,863
Mozambique 17,877,927
Zimbabwe 11,271,314
Malawi 9,452,844
Zambia 9,159,072
Hong Kong 6,305,413
Papua New Guinea 4,394,537
Ireland 3,566,833
New Zealand 3,547,983
Singapore 3,396,924
Jamaica 2,595,275

As it happens I often drive in countries with either rule (or in some where it frequently appears there is no rule, like Italy). You soon adjust!

-Geoff

[Dman]

The main problem is having to explain which system you are using when you correspond across the Atlantic (as I often do). If you dont say what you mean by 06-07-2004 somebody inevitably assumes you mean 7 June, and someone knowing something about Britain tries to be clever and puts 6 July when you had already converted to their native format.

It is all quite ridiculous!

-Geoff

I've almost done that very thing, but fortunately the logical side of me caught the potential flaw and I would simply spell out the month. Not too hard. I do agree though that day/month/year seems more intuitive. The only explanation I can think of off-hand for the month/day/year format is that when you look at a calendar, you first turn to the month, then the day – not the other way around.

I shouldn't bring this up again but -

Metric system is superior too!

[CreativeChaos]

Heh, not to me. But anyway the worldwide split is probably wider than most people think. It isnt just the odd country that drives on the left hand side of the road. There are actually 74 countries with a population of nearly 2 billion! Here are some of the largest (by population)...

India 952,107,694
Indonesia 206,611,600
Pakistan 129,275,660
Japan 125,449,703
Bangladesh 123,062,800
Thailand 58,851,357
United Kingdom 58,489,975
South Africa 41,743,459
Tanzania 29,058,470
Kenya 28,176,686
Nepal 22,094,033
Uganda 20,158,176
Malaysia 19,962,893
Sri Lanka 18,553,074
Australia 18,260,863
Mozambique 17,877,927
Zimbabwe 11,271,314
Malawi 9,452,844
Zambia 9,159,072
Hong Kong 6,305,413
Papua New Guinea 4,394,537
Ireland 3,566,833
New Zealand 3,547,983
Singapore 3,396,924
Jamaica 2,595,275

As it happens I often drive in countries with either rule (or in some where it frequently appears there is no rule, like Italy). You soon adjust!

-Geoff

Huh! :huh: And I just SWORE to my friends the other day that they drive on the RIGHT side of the road in Malawi. :angry:

[Zero Angel]

Metric system IS superior! I've taken to the habit of spelling out the month as well. Theres less confusion overall and it looks more elegant.

[Shai Gar]

metric measurement
2400 time
dd-mm-yyyy dates
english spelling

that is the recipe for a civilised nation

[Miss Anthropic]

Wow 4 pages on this subject...

[earwax]

I used to work for a company that writes Time and Attendance software. One of our "features" was to give the user the ability to view the date/time in any format they deemed suitable.

No matter what their preference was, we stored the date in YYYYMMDD and the time in 24 hour format. Just makes more sense from a "sorting in chronological sequence" point of view.

[MacGuffin]

The only reason (with a few odd exceptions) that a country drives on the left hand side is because they were former British colonies.

[Claverhouse]

And the rest, like bonne enfants, dutifully follow French Practice...


It is a little-known fact that America is far more based on French culture than English. Starting from the neo-classical beginnings of the republic on to the illogical ramblings of her major politicians.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[MacGuffin]

It is a little-known fact that America is far more based on French culture than English.Don't tell W!

[Shai Gar]

illogical ramblings of major politicians - i think w knows

[Architectonic]

YYYY/MM/DD is the most logical for organizational purposes - it is best to arrange by year first, then month, then day.

DD/MM/YYYY tends to mess up because it is arranged by the day of the month.

MM/DD/YYYY tends to mess up because it is arranged by month first.



The only reason (with a few odd exceptions) that a country drives on the left hand side is because they were former British colonies.

I'd have to admit, having the steering wheel on the left and driving an automatic leaves a huge amount more room in the kick panel area to mount speakers. Which is a nice advantage for those into car audio.