Problems being overly assertive>

[SolitaryWalker]

Do you consistently find having to hold your true nature back because people tend not to be cooperative when you function in a way that is most comfortable to you. Namely, by virtue of the radical T approach to matters?

[tinribz]

I've found it more productive to stop and think before approaching certain people. Mostly because I find they nod and agree and only later discover they didn't really understand what I said.

[MacGuffin]

Do you consistently find having to hold your true nature back because people tend not to be cooperative when you function in a way that is most comfortable to you. Namely, by virtue of the radical T approach to matters?
No, I'm not INTJ.

[Karl]

Do you consistently find having to hold your true nature back because people tend not to be cooperative when you function in a way that is most comfortable to you. Namely, by virtue of the radical T approach to matters?

No, but maybe I should. Example:

Guy: (Some nascar driver who I can't remember) is like my role my model?
Me: Why is he your role model? What has he done to help you or for anyone else?

So I come across as aggressive but I really am interested in his reasons, and how some can really decide that anyone is worth imitating. My role model doesn't exist. I'm not criticizing people who don't see things this way, I just don't understand it, and I would like to understand it.

(Edit: Oh and I didn't get an answer.)

Wording goes a long way.

[SolitaryWalker]

No, I'm not INTJ.

INTJs are less T than us...

[MacGuffin]

INTJs are less T than us...
But more J.

[SolitaryWalker]

But more J.


Yes.

I see how one could say that assertiveness in the colloquial sense of the word is a J or a TJ thing.

Perhaps I should have asked about the problem of being too firm rather than assertive in behavior. That is most closely associated with the essence of 'T'.

So, do we here run into problems with our 'too firm' of an approach to life?

[sandwich]

Yes.
Perhaps I should have asked about the problem of being too firm rather than assertive in behavior. That is most closely associated with the essence of 'T'.


Still J. The P is more "um... well, I think, very possibly, at least from my observations...... you know?"

You know?

[SolitaryWalker]

Still J. The P is more "um... well, I think, very possibly, at least from my observations...... you know?"

You know?

You're thinking about how TPs manifest externally. However, internally they are as decisive and sure about their thoughts as TJs about their actions.

See the link: Extroverted Thinking--therefore decisive externally
Introverted Thinking--decisive internally.


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Feeling is not tough minded in comparison to thinking because it relies on the emotional welfare of the surrounding environment, yet Thinking does not.

For this reason you often see people who are disorganized and indecisive on the outside often have maintain a high degree of self-assuredness.

[djm]

I don't hold my nature back, but yes it can cause problems. The thing that seems to upset people most is honesty.

[sandwich]

You're thinking about how TPs manifest externally. However, internally they are as decisive and sure about their thoughts as TJs about their actions.

See the link: Extroverted Thinking--therefore decisive externally
Introverted Thinking--decisive internally.


Okay, I get what you mean. In that case, I probably do hold back, but it's become such a habit that I rarely notice. Just another obstacle in communicating with the voices outside my head.

[Shades of Gray]

I hold back because I don't want to have to explain everything. I'd rather just do it myself.

[Ptah]

Do you consistently find having to hold your true nature back because people tend not to be cooperative when you function in a way that is most comfortable to you. Namely, by virtue of the radical T approach to matters?

Yes. Even here. It stuns me to see that my views are seen as "radical"(?) even here, when to me they extend directly from an attempt to rationally regard the world. (edit: a trait that I expect of NTs universally; if I have learned one thing on INTPc, it is that type profiles are not the whole story; people can be bent and distorted in so many different ways...)