Obama on FoxNews

[Shoot!]

What many would think would be a blunder of the most disadvantageous kind, Obama actually made quite the impression on me with his articulate speech and intelligent answers to the idiocy that is Fox News.

Check out the video here (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/24269-barack-obama-on-fox-this-morning?play=1).

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As a sort of related side-note, I applaud Mike Gravel for not side-stepping key issues of our government as shown here (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/8819-mike-gravel-nobody-s-kooky-old-uncle).

[songbird36]

What many would think would be a blunder of the most disadvantageous kind, Obama actually made quite the impression on me with his articulate speech and intelligent answers to the idiocy that is Fox News.

Check out the video here (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/24269-barack-obama-on-fox-this-morning?play=1).

THI=Campaign manager for Obama? Declare your primary colors, sir!

[kuranes]

I thought someone said that he was going to be in another debate tonight in South Carolina but I couldn't find it on the tube.

[Shoot!]

THI=Campaign manager for Obama? Declare your primary colors, sir!

You mind actually telling me what that acronym stands for?

[songbird36]

You mind actually telling me what that acronym stands for?

You (the human ipod) ;)

[Zephyrus055]

Obama pissed me off when he mentioned community service for college graduates. To hell with that. I also want to know how he's going to fund the work benefit plans and education. I don't think he understands the economy very well, or he's planning to raise taxes through the roof, or he's offering an empty hand.

[Shoot!]

You (the human ipod) ;)

Oh. Well, I wouldn't say that I'm informed enough to 100% support Obama, but he does have my ticket so far. I think the Republican party is a load of crap, with the exception of Paul and Huckabee, who probably won't win the nomination (though it would be interesting to see a Huckabee vs Obama presidential election as said elsewhere in this forum). Obama is quite inspiring as a presidential candidate, but I hope that I will not soon discover something that will taint his image for me.

By the way, I almost vomited at how stupid FoxNews was for trying to assosciate a negative image of Obama just because of his name and the school that he went to as a child. Pathetic attempts to downplay someone like that shows how FoxNews can't really think of anything genuinely negative to say about a promising candidate.

[Shoot!]

Obama pissed me off when he mentioned community service for college graduates.

You mind linking to me some article of this? It's important that I understand the context of what it is you are talking about.

[songbird36]

By the way, I almost vomited at how stupid FoxNews was for trying to assosciate a negative image of Obama just because of his name and the school that he went to as a child. Pathetic attempts to downplay someone like that shows how FoxNews can't really think of anything genuinely negative to say about a promising candidate.

You don't share the opinion of all Australasian press then, that's he's style over substance? Hang on though, what do we know? ;)

[Shoot!]

You don't share the opinion of all Australasian press then, that's he's style over substance? Hang on though, what do we know? ;)

I didn't know that Australians were keeping up with American politics, actually. Who seems most promising to you?

[songbird36]

I didn't know that Australians were keeping up with American politics, actually. Who seems most promising to you?

Australasia includes both NZ and Australia ;)

The smart money here is on Clinton for the long haul, but maybe Obama for the short haul (next 3 months or so up to and after Super Tuesday). No-one here is picking a GOP (everyone just waiting to see who emerges as vaguely more interesting in the deathly dull line-up).

[Ashi, K?]

I didn't know that Australians were keeping up with American politics, actually. Who seems most promising to you?

We non-yanks need to, what with your "leading the free world", and all.

[Lethal Sage]

disgusting

[Shoot!]

disgustingly pointless comment.

Fixed.

[Lethal Sage]

Fixed.

thanks

[Lateralus]

You don't share the opinion of all Australasian press then, that's he's style over substance? Hang on though, what do we know? ;)
That's been my opinion of Obama for quite a while. He's a media darling.

[Zephyrus055]

I didn't know that Australians were keeping up with American politics, actually. Who seems most promising to you?
This was mentioned at the end of a speech he was giving yesterday, that I for what ever reason watched at the last 5 minutes of it. John Kerry was also on the stage with him. He was talking about improving America's moral standing in the world, and said "it's about time we made education affordable," and let the American dream of equal opportunity come back. The talk about community service came shortly after education, when he said that we invest in you and you give back to America after graduation to improve our moral standing in the world, by working in a homeless shelter or the peace corps etc. My blood started to boil, because I hate politicians who try to impose community service. This is the kind of thing I detest so much that I cheat my way out of, like I did in High School.

[trapstar]

I would like to see Hillary win, her politics seem relatively balanced in my opinion but I don't think those politics resonate well with the US population at large.
She is the favourite in our media and gets a lot of coverage. She seems like the obvious choice in most of my countrymens eyes. Although americans look for different qualities in their leaders than us...

Obama is fine, he also seems moderate in his foreign politics but his politics inside the US seem less thought out (keep in mind that my knowledge is far more limited than a citizen in the US, I could be entirely wrong in that assessment). It doesn't really matter to me though. All I, and probably the rest of the world want is a leader who won't be beating his chest.

Guiliani would be an absolute nightmare. He's a dictator/satan in disguise but you probably know that

[LongSilence]

I don't quite get why you're so passionately against even entertaining the idea, zeph. I mean, surely a man of your skills could find a way to make it for your own benefit- like trading watered down cheap alcohol with homeless people for the money they've begged. Or even using your experiences as a way to help get yourself laid- 'this one time, I was tending to this old lady with alzheimers, and she thought I was her son, long story short- we ended up crying and hugging each other close for half an hour.'

[Latte]

She is the favourite in our media and gets a lot of coverage.

I'm wondering, how many sees this as a positive thing?

[trapstar]

I'm wondering, how many sees this as a positive thing?

That she gets media coverage? (IE media isn't to be trusted)
or
Why should americans care?

Either way, it was just a statement. Not an argument

[Latte]

I'm not asking who doesn't find it negative. I am wondering how many actually sees it as something that gives more credibility in itself.

[songbird36]

I am wondering how many actually sees it as something that gives more credibility in itself.

Only the Norwegians would, I suspect ;)

[trapstar]

Like I said I wasn't being argumentative. That is how I view the election and nothing more. Take it as you want

[Latte]

Only the Norwegians would, I suspect ;)

Norwegian votes are far from perfect, but they don't care about bullshit. Like personal stuff and "who deserves to win" (yeah, I'm grilling you here :happpy: ). They vote on actual issues.


Like I said I wasn't being argumentative. That is how I view the election and nothing more. Take it as you want

Didn't intend it to be directly put at you, your reply just made me think about it. I apologize that i wrote in a way that probably appeared as singling you out. :gm:

[trapstar]

Norwegian votes are far from perfect, but they don't care about bullshit. Like personal stuff and "who deserves to win" (yeah, I'm grilling you here :happpy: ). They vote on actual issues.

I would like to think so too but it would be a lie to claim that there isn't image-related voting involved. I mean the alliance (Liberal and conservative parties banded together) and won the last election by appearing to be a fresh and powerful force that would rid of us the quasi-soviet rule. They fooled a lot of people, even me.

I'm a swede btw. :P



Didn't intend it to be directly put at you, your reply just made me think about it. I apologize that i wrote in a way that probably appeared as singling you out. :gm:

No problem. Maybe I'm weird but I still believe there are journalists who do their job properly.

[songbird36]

Norwegian votes are far from perfect, but they don't care about bullshit. Like personal stuff and "who deserves to win" (yeah, I'm grilling you here :happpy: ). They vote on actual issues.


Really?

*SB wonders if Norwegians have fundamentally misunderstood the true nature of politics*

[Latte]

I would like to think so too but it would be a lie to claim that there isn't image-related voting involved. I mean the alliance (Liberal and conservative parties banded together) and won the last election by appearing to be a fresh and powerful force that would rid of us the quasi-soviet rule. They fooled a lot of people, even me.

I'm a swede btw. :P

No problem. Maybe I'm weird but I still believe there are journalists who do their job properly.


Hiya neighbor!

Yeah, Scandinavia is going the same way sadly, haven't followed swedish politics, but i was disappointed with the attitude displayed by danish voters. I fear Norway will follow soon after, i see idolizing tendencies popping up. When people get too comfortable, they stop thinking rationally about such things.

[The world]
There are certainly kickass reporters and journalists out there. But they are few amongst a sea of dumb one's, with some clever spinners trying to steer the currents.

Certainly, most journalists and reporters believe what they say. I rarely take a reporter or journalist's subjective analysis into account anymore though.

[Shoot!]

My main beef with Clinton is that time after time she flips one way and the other on the issues that seem to be so key in American politics. She says that she's tired of Bush's war, etc., but she voted for the war and she repeatedly votes for documents in Congress which gives the President more power and all of that jazz. Mike Gravel seems to be doing a pretty good job on calling bullshit on Clinton, so at least he is doing something productive while he is up there on the Democratic debates. Everyone knows he won't win the nomination, but he does make some pretty good points. Obama just seems like the most reasonable candidate to me, I particularly like his track record and his intelligent attitude.

[songbird36]

Chelsea Clinton, to a 9 year old reporter for Scholastic News, during presidential campaigning in Iowa:

"I'm sorry I don't talk to the press, and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you're cute"

[Shoot!]

Chelsea Clinton, to a 9 year old reporter for Scholastic News, during presidential campaigning in Iowa:

"I'm sorry I don't talk to the press, and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you're cute"

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/roflbotludzhl6.jpg

[geniusndisguise]

I don't even know where I fall in the political spectrum anymore, but I tentatively like Obama... for now...

[orange]

I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but he really is the only chance that the Democrats have of taking the white house. If Hillary gets the nomination, she is going to get destroyed. There's a reason why you've seen so much GOP based attack on Obama recently. The GOP has been gameplanning to run against Hillary for years now. Obama has the ability to win crossover votes; for hillary, it's quite the opposite.

[HappyNoodleBoy]

I know alot of republicans that are voting for Obama in the primaries, I don't if that says more about him or less about Mrs. Clinton.

[orange]

I know alot of republicans that are voting for Obama in the primaries, I don't if that says more about him or less about Mrs. Clinton.

to be honest, I've seen quite the opposite... though I'm from Michigan where malicious cross-party voting is a very common occurance.

[C.J.Woolf]

I know alot of republicans that are voting for Obama in the primaries, I don't if that says more about him or less about Mrs. Clinton.

to be honest, I've seen quite the opposite... though I'm from Michigan where malicious cross-party voting is a very common occurance.
If Republicans really thought they could beat Clinton, wouldn't they vote for her in the primaries? (Daily Kos is calling on Michigan Democrats to vote for Romney today for that reason, by the way.) I think Republicans are trying to choose who they'd rather lose to.

[geniusndisguise]

If Republicans really thought they could beat Clinton, wouldn't they vote for her in the primaries? (Daily Kos is calling on Michigan Democrats to vote for Romney today for that reason, by the way.) I think Republicans are trying to choose who they'd rather lose to.

She's huge though. I don't think she has much of a chance; there are a few polls out there who say that about half of the American people would NOT vote for her, or just plain vote against her. If she gets the democratic nomination, the campaign will probably get ugly, and even more people may be turned against her.

Obama's just more likeable, and very charismatic, with a similar agenda. I think he has the best chance on the dem ticket, though I do worry about the number of bigoted voters in this country.

The republicans only chance, imo, is that enough people don't want a woman or black man as a president, regardless of the fact that many Americans are tired of republicans at this point.

[Shoot!]

Obama's just more likeable, and very charismatic, with a similar agenda. I think he has the best chance on the dem ticket, though I do worry about the number of bigoted voters in this country.

Yea, tell me about it. Especially here in Tennessee, where everyone is like, "It'll be hard for a black man to get into the White House" and "Do you want a Muslim in the Presidency??" You have got to be freakin' kidding me. Obama even said himself that he goes to a Church of Christ with his family (No doubt to get more votes, but regardless). It just goes to show you that there are infinite numbers of people in this country who could care less if Big Brother comes in office, as long as he isn't [insert stereotype here]. And the "religious school" that the GOP always criticizes him for actually downplays the Muslim faith in favor of a focus on education. There was a special on CNN about it, I think there's a video on the Youtube.

[C.J.Woolf]

The republicans only chance, imo, is that enough people don't want a woman or black man as a president, regardless of the fact that many Americans are tired of republicans at this point.
I worry about that. No poll will discover the real number of voters who won't vote for a woman or a black man for president because some people will not admit it to a pollster; we would only find out on Election Day.

The racists and sexists who would rather avoid another four years of Bushian government might find themselves between a rock and a hard place, eh?

[C.J.Woolf]

The Michigan primary results:

81% of precincts reporting.

Republicans

Romney 39 284892
McCain 30 217375
Huckabee 16 117689
Paul 6 46008
Thompson 4 27100
Giuliani 3 20843
Uncommitted 2 14670

Democrats

Clinton 57 256566
Uncommitted 38 174532
Kucinich 4 17592
Dodd 1 3094
Gravel 0 1905

The Democratic vote didn't matter because the national party barred Michigan's delegates as a punishment for bumping up their primary on the calendar.

A lot more votes in the Republican primary than in the Democratic, whereas in Iowa and New Hampshire Dem turnout was greater. Perhaps Democratic crossover voters delivered it for Romney after all. This will muddle the GOP primary picture a bit more.