The Wonders of Techno Music

[Star Cannon]

I really do like Techno. Does anyone else like Techno?

[shaytana]

No, but I used to.

[Vagabond]

No. I never did and something tells me I never will.

[Jezebel]

I don't like techno or most kinds of electronic music. In addition to not caring for electronic sounds, most of the techno I've heard has been incredibly boring and repetitive for my tastes.

[Melody]

Yes. I think I placed somewhere my recommendation of the soundtrack of the Sega Saturn version of Wipeout. Supposedly INTP's enjoy atmosphere in music, and ths soundtrack has beautiful atmosphere.

If you don't like techno, my guess is you ether just don't like it, or you are thinking of the annoyingly repetitive type and have not heard good techno (like Wipeout.)

[Utopmk]

I like a heavy dose of techno in my industrial music, but I don't like those repetitive candy raver tunes.

[Melody]

Actually, now that I think of it, most techno sucks. But, so does most of everything. Vagabond said somewhere that she does not go by artist, but by song. I am similar, but I go a bit further and also do not go by genre. This way I get the best of everythng.

[Jezebel]

If you don't like techno, my guess is you ether just don't like it, or you are thinking of the annoyingly repetitive type and have not heard good techno (like Wipeout.)

I had a friend who otherwise had very similar taste as me who said the same thing. He tried and tried to send me "good techno" (I can't remember artist names), but I didn't care much for any of it. There may be some techno out there somewhere that I like, but so far I've never heard it.

Repetitiveness is only a trait in a lot of techno I don't like though. I also don't like most music with a lot of electronic sounds, for example stuff like Skinny Puppy.

[file cabinet]

I like a lot of electronica.. but not techno per se.

[spaced]

First of all, techno != electronic music. Techno is a specific subgenre of electronic music.

But yeah, to answer the question, I love both electronic music in general and techno specifically. I listen to it obsessively and also do a bit of bedroom DJing just for fun B)

[Melody]

Very thought-provoking. Would you say the following is true?:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/tocca/technoisasubsetofelectronicmusic.png

[Spartan26]

most of the techno I've heard has been incredibly boring and repetitive for my tastes.

I don't go to raves but they play techno at a lot of underground art shows I go to. It's like a Pavlovian bell, as soon as I hear some I start to look for the waif blonde in $180 jeans because she's probably standing by a plastic tub filled with melting ice and bottled beer.

I often think, 'I hope no one actually wasted his time sitting around mixing this tape because one song on a loop would've done the same thing.' :zzz: :zzz:
Half the time I'm hoping they'll actually segue into the actual song their sampling so I can get a break from the monotony of repeated phrases. "You lousy tease, quit doing this to me!" :rant:

But after a couple of swigs of Heineken, if I'm able to talk decomposition with one of the artists, then a little techno in the b.g. isn't so bad. :cheers:

[file cabinet]

electronica genres I do like:
- deep house
- dub
- some electro
- ambient / IDM

[Hope]

I have my nitpicks about techno too, but I have to admit despite all my bitching, I love it.

Reminds me of the show Fraiser, where Niles and Frasier go out after dinner and realize the one thing that's better than a perfect meal is a near perfect meal with one small glitch that they can bitch about afterwards. =) That's sooo me.

[paladinoflunaria]

Only News Techno... just kidding. I can't think of any techno I like off of the top of my head. Some electronica is alright.


Reminds me of the show Fraiser, where Niles and Frasier go out after dinner and realize the one thing that's better than a perfect meal is a near perfect meal with one small glitch that they can bitch about afterwards. =) That's sooo me.

Sometimes off-symmetries can be quite good, but you can't be expecting it.

[int]

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And: No.


I've tried. I really have. I can't. I really can't. I'd rather try to get a refund from the airlines or pull my own teeth. If techno is on a game soundtrack I'll put on my own CDs (not that I play many games anyways).

I don't know why..it just heards my head. I lived with a raver once and it was a miserable experience, so maybe it pulls up subconcious-bad-stuff. But I didn't like it before that either...

I do like industrial and the use of synths in heavier rock (well, any pop and rock, for that matter)...especially hardcore. That's kind of a direction I'd like to go myself.

Give me a live drummer anyday...I think that's what it might boil down to.

And I agree that techno is not electronic, but the terms are often interchangable.

[Johnny]

Personally I think the precision of electronic music, both with regards to intonation and rhythm, has raised our expectations and improved musicianship in general. Thank you, Techno.

[int]

Personally I think the precision of electronic music, both with regards to intonation and rhythm, has raised our expectations and improved musicianship in general. Thank you, Techno.

So has the use of computers in the audio engineering industry. I can now make the world's shittiest drummer have good timing (although he still sounds like a jackass).

So I think you want to thank computers for the perfection of an imperfect craft?

Not that I'm a purist or anything, but maybe that's why I can't get into full blown electronic music. I like mistakes - they're human. It makes the music seem more real when they're there. Heh...I've been complimented on my mistakes. :blink: :)

[HackerX]

I like prog metal/power ballads and tend to stick with it...

I'll only listen to techno under duress (or somebody threatens to turn on RnB/Hip Hop... same diff)

The good techno that people talk about i don't mind really... I just prefer metal. The bad techno might as well be hip hop teeny bopper crap

[Johnny]

So I think you want to thank computers for the perfection of an imperfect craft?
Well, not exactly. I'm really thanking computers for raising expectations on our own mastery over the basic building blocks of music, rather than trying to replace us. :D

[Claverhouse]

So has the use of computers in the audio engineering industry. I can now make the world's shittiest drummer have good timing (although he still sounds like a jackass).

I may be over-sensitive to the slightest nuances, but do I detect a vague animus against drummers, both here and earlier ?

Y'know, it's not true what they claim about drummers being the stupidest ones --- not that I'd know, I never played any instrument except some ghastly thing called a recorder that they force all children in British schools to play: presumably to warn teachers what hell is going to be like. :devil:


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[themuseum]

Anyone care for Venetian Snares? I can't remeber the exact sub-subgenre he belongs in, nonetheless it is amazing electronic music. One of the very few I enjoy. I typically listen ____core. (read: noise)

[int]

I may be over-sensitive to the slightest nuances, but do I detect a vague animus against drummers, both here and earlier ?

Y'know, it's not true what they claim about drummers being the stupidest ones --- not that I'd know...


I have only humourous intentions in my joking. As a bassist, I'm pretty focused on drummers and their nuances - it's part of the gig.

I have a drum set and have played drums in bands as well - although that doesn't necessarily qualify my remarks. It's just that their the easiest to pick on. :)

In the album recording process, drums are the most common (ime) to edit (next to vocals). It's just the nature of the process...it's easier to overdub just about any other instrument than a drumset, so editing is quite common and intensive there.

Anyways, your Ne is functioning just fine, as I am an a%$hole bassist that plays drums, that has a hard time dealing with drummers (except the current one). Sue me. :)

[spaced]

Consider progressive house -- the beat is different while the overlap to "techno" is large, but it's not "techno." So, yes, I like techno; or rather, some techno.

Huh? Prog has pretty much nothing in common with techno.

[Strephonade]

If I am listening to the music to enjoy it alone, then I do not like techno. However, if I am enjoying something else at the time, like dancing/clubbing (haven't been in too long, actually), or studying, or doing other reading, then techno in the background is ok.

[spaced]

Yeah, now that I think about it, I guess there is some overlap with tech-house lately, with a lot of prog DJs throwing in some more diverse influences, and that could definitely be construed as a techno influence.

[Melody]

They could just as well throw in rolling country beats. But the bastards never think outside the box, do they?

[Edmond Zedo]

"Pop pop....Pop pop pop....TECHNO."--Music Non-Stop

Ahem. KRAFTWERK. The one and only original. Seriously xNTP music. For beginners, I recommend two albums. 1. The Mix from 1991. It's a set of remixes for the most part. 2. Radio-Activity from 1976. Much more unusual and sparse than 1., but it's so good I feel like crying. The last song on the album, Ohm Sweet Ohm, is transcendental.

[Edmond Zedo]

Die menschmaschine / The man-machine is a great album as well.

Oh, yes, Sir. They are invariably great. But the version of The Robots on The Mix is 1,000 times better.

[SheepDog]

I'm with int. Never cared for techno. But I'm also a bass player, so I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

I don't mind electronic sounds (i.e. synthisizers) but I don't care for the non-organic rhythms created by computers.

[Lucas]

I LOVE dowtempo, trip hop, mushroom jazz and any other chill out music. I also like ambient and intelligent drum n bass.

Most people write off all electronic music without even hearing most of it's diverse styles and genres. Contempt prior to investigation will leave you in everlasting ignorance!

[SheepDog]

I liked when Herbie Hancock did electronic music. Rock it is very very cool.

[Edmond Zedo]

Neil Young was better at it than most who only do electronic. Talent knows no genre

Song example: Sample and Hold (From album Trans, which is 3/4 techno)

[jimkopelli]

I like some techno but haven't been exposed to huge amounts of it.

And for those that for whatever reason haven't seen it... I present SBTechno (http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail45.html).

[lexiphanic]

I like techno so much I make it. Or, I can't find enough techno that I like, so I make my own. ;)

Both are a little true.

[ApeTheDog]

I've recently found a site which lists all the electronic music genres, and I've found I'm attracted to genres that have the word 'Acid' in the front. I'm very much still a beginner, but I'm slowly learning more and developing a taste for what I like and don't like about the music. I used to dislike all of it, and now I only dislike the bad stuff.

Here's a really helpful site for people, like myself, who don't know Hard Acid from Buttrock GOA:

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

[melancholeric]

some aphex twin occasionally, but that's about it. But i have to listen to thet Neil Young thing.

[Sackanaka]

I like techno so much I make it. Or, I can't find enough techno that I like, so I make my own. ;)
What program do you use and/or how do you make it? The most I've done was use MTV Music Generator 2 for PS2, which I thought was pretty damn awesome. I'd like to learn more about making music though. :)

[Helios]

I love most electronic music, the exact sub-genre of "techno" isn't my fav, but for purposes of this poll I voted "yes". I much prefer deep house, while I can pass totally on break beats (yuck!).

Some classics in my opinion, Inner City's "Big Fun" 12inch mix. Boston Bruin's "Raise Your Hands" and while he disappoints me now, Moby's old school "Move" disco threat remix is awesome. I think I'll stop now since I am no doubt showing my age here.

[jetboots]

Emusic is the coolest shit.

[Helios]

No, the mirror image of your name is the coolest shit!

[Bugeater]

I love electronic music. I enjoy stuff in most of the subgenres, but I really go by the specific songs rather than the artists.

[Crispy]

I love techno music, especially boards of canada at the moment, they make me float away from as the alien in bad taste says 'this shitty little planet!'

[miff]

I love techno music, especially boards of canada at the moment, they make me float away from as the alien in bad taste says 'this shitty little planet!'

i love boards of canada. geogaddi! i have been on a royksopp kick as of late though. are you a fan?

i used to love very old old jungle and ragga, but then i discovered julius papp and it's forever changed. downtempo and deep house all the way.

[Crispy]

I have heard a few royksopp tracks, didn't they do that video about poor leno or something like that? I liked what I’ve heard of them but don't have an album, iv’e only heard their singles

Geogaddi is an amazing album but I prefer music has the right to children as I find it a bit more of a soothing ride, Geogaddi definitely has more of an eastern style tinge to it though so i rate them as amazing albums in there own right.

Have you heard any of the album, which was released over the net of BOC’S older material? About 25 or 30 unreleased tracks which were released I think on soulseek, I didn't have a clue about the album until a friend gave me a copy, it a pretty mixed bag as it contains lots of skit tracks like television show rips but also has a few really stunning tracks. The album wasn't released by the group officially though.

[YardGnome]

Techno NO! BLEGH. Too repetitive...

Electronic YES! (APHEX TWIN, SQUARE PUSHER, that kinda thing...)

[miff]

poor leno is actually what got me into royksopp. i believe i've seen the video... is it animals in the zoo? i remember it being relatively creepy. 'melody a.m.' is a great album though, i highly recommend it.

geogaddi vs. music has the right to children... i agree, they are both very good in their own ways, but music has the right to children is more their signature style. i didn't like geogaddi at first but now i love it.

i had no clue about this elusive album! it sounds incredible. i wish i could figure out soulseek. i tried to get dangermouse's 'grey album' and was not successful, at all.

[Sackanaka]

I've listened to and liked Royksopp; somewhere in a favorite songs thread I mentioned it. Does it count as techno, given the terminological correctness these days?

[CoHo]

The term techno is way to broad. It is like asking "Do you like Rock music"...

I like most Trip Hop, I don't consider it techno, but I guess other people might
http://www.tspigot.net/music/ItsACrime.mp3

To add... I tried this before: If you all could post urls of the music you are talking about it would be really great to listen to

[miff]

I've listened to and liked Royksopp; somewhere in a favorite songs thread I mentioned it. Does it count as techno, given the terminological correctness these days?

it's definitely not techno. i guess i would lump royksopp along with IDM, which is yet another subgenre.

i used to be the "RPM Director" at my university's radio station, and I dealt with everything from royksopp to green velvet. RPM (revolutions per minute) is basically what the music industry calls electronic music these days.

[Crispy]

I usually just lump IDM in with techno, most of what I listen to in electronica is labelled IDM , But I don't like the IDM title, I think something like ambient electronica or Foward thinking electronica to be a better title. But then there are sub genres in IDM like noise, glitch-core etc etc.

This dance music, ain't half complicated is it?

[kuranes]

I like some Techno. The repetitive nature of it is part of its appeal, actually. But I would agree with the person who said that it's best in an environment where you are dancing or doing some other active movement, even driving. I like Downtempo Trip Hop much more, when it comes to modern electronic. DJ Krush has some good numbers. I like seeing some of the "new school" stuff integrated with older styles. Ronnie Jordan plays jazz guitar, but he will add a little Hip Hop for spice. I enjoy what has been called Motorik. Neu put out some good jams there. Krautrock is fun, too, in measured doses. Amon Duul II, Klaus Schultze. Brian Eno's first albums were great. K

[Architectonic]

but I don't care for the non-organic rhythms created by computers.

So where do breakbeats fit into that picture?

[lexiphanic]

What program do you use and/or how do you make it? The most I've done was use MTV Music Generator 2 for PS2, which I thought was pretty damn awesome. I'd like to learn more about making music though. :)

Logic Pro 7, Reason 2.5, Reaktor 4, Absynth 3, probably some software dedicated to beat production, and hopefully a dedicated sampler.

Making it is very fun and intuitive. I recommend Reason if you are interested in playing around, yet want a program that easily grows with you.

On a side note, plans are in the works to give me a room of my own in my place's garage. My soul quakes in anticipation.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I rarely browse down this far in the forum topics.

[Shai Gar]

fruity loops is a good program for it

[bmw318tiChic]

I like techno/electronica/whatever it's called. I think it's neato.

[ApeTheDog]

People who don't like techno probably never gave it a chance. Techno is good, but you have to go into it with your mind. Shut down your brain, freeze your thinking, and take on a dream-like state of mind. That's when techno really shines. It's such relaxed, quiet music.

Mind, I'm not talking about the stuff with 3 million bmp, or the kind of house that has angry germans cursing the heavens in it. That's just subversive crap.

[Sackanaka]

Logic Pro 7, Reason 2.5, Reaktor 4, Absynth 3, probably some software dedicated to beat production, and hopefully a dedicated sampler.

Making it is very fun and intuitive. I recommend Reason if you are interested in playing around, yet want a program that easily grows with you.

On a side note, plans are in the works to give me a room of my own in my place's garage. My soul quakes in anticipation.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I rarely browse down this far in the forum topics.
:D
I've heard of fruity loops but the name... oh the name...


Mind, I'm not talking about the stuff with 3 million bmp no gabbah (gabber?) for you eh?

[ApeTheDog]

No, no gabber for me. If I want my brain drilled, I'll take me a nice giant drill and shove it up my ear.

[problem_child]

IDM which is the stupidest term ever for so much different wonderful weird stuff, drum n bass, trance, hard house, gabber, I love so much techno.

["InsertNameHere"]

I'd have to be on "E" to enjoy it. I'd never take E, so I'll never enjoy it

[Geoff]

Ah, I like all kinds of things. I am not quite sure where they fit in here, but I have always had a soft spot for Yello (the Swiss dance/electronica pairing for the last 20 years). They are still releasing albums 20 years later :-).

Anyone else come across them?

Oh, and my CD player in the car mostly contains the Chemical Brothers this week (plus some Jean Michel Jarre)

-Geoff

[Crispy]

Yeh chemical brothers are good, i saw them live last week, was a very good show amazing visuals

I like the believe song from the new album, i think its set to be their next single.

[miff]

Ah, I like all kinds of things. I am not quite sure where they fit in here, but I have always had a soft spot for Yello (the Swiss dance/electronica pairing for the last 20 years). They are still releasing albums 20 years later :-).

Anyone else come across them?

Oh, and my CD player in the car mostly contains the Chemical Brothers this week (plus some Jean Michel Jarre)

-Geoff

i like the chemical brothers a lot too. i saw them a few years ago in nyc with cassius and kings of convenience opening. it was incredible.

yello sounds familiar, but i can't place them. i want to say i've heard remixes? what do you recommend listening to?

[Geoff]

i like the chemical brothers a lot too. i saw them a few years ago in nyc with cassius and kings of convenience opening. it was incredible.

yello sounds familiar, but i can't place them. i want to say i've heard remixes? what do you recommend listening to?

Hmm, the tracks you might know (well you will know a fair amount of it from ads, and films).

The most famous track is probably "Oh yeah" which has been in a number of films (probably most memorably in Ferris Buellers Day Off)

Ahh, here is a potted summary

http://www.80smusiccentral.com/yello.html

Pretty much any of their albums are worth a go. I like 'One Second' myself.

It's fairly unique (particularly given its age) in comparison with modern dance.

I'm biased though I have all their albums on the shelf, and frequently in my car!

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Hate techno..

blah..

[lexiphanic]

Hate techno..

blah..

But it loves you!

[songbird36]

It's a sorry excuse for music.

Like having live theatre companies taken over by robots, or something.

[Geoff]

It's a sorry excuse for music.

Like having live theatre companies taken over by robots, or something.

Live theatre taken over by robots?

Sounds cool!

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Live theatre taken over by robots?

Sounds cool!

-Geoff

Heretic!

[Architectonic]

Hate techno..

Must be an age thing. ;P


IDM is actually "intelligent dance music" and not a term used for general electronic music.

You may have misinterpreted her. IDM was just one of the genres of electronic music that she happens to like. She didn't suggest that those other genres (D&B, trance, house, gabber) were part of IDM.

[Edmond Zedo]

Boing...boom chak. Boing...boom chak, ping. Boing...boom chak. Boing...boom chak, chong. Music...Non stop...Musique....Non stop. Music...Non stop... Music. Nonstop.

[jimkopelli]

boom boom boom boom boom boom.
budulup boom boom boom budulup boom boom boom.
budeedadeedou budeedadeedou budeedadeedou budeedadeedou.
The system, is down. The system, is down. The system, is down. the sysysysysysystetetetem is dah dee dahdee dah dah dedah da DOOOM.

[ppc]

I love trance but only trance. Everything else sounds wrong to me.

[songbird36]

**SB34 pulls the plug out of the synthesizer and then smashes it with a large heavy object**

[ppc]

Oh no I must respond because something I like has been attacked on the internet - I am in a blinding fit of rage. I can barely sit here and type this. I do not know what I will do.

[coffeezombie]

Techno dance music has never seemed very INTPish to me. It seems more an extrovert thing. I wonder why so many people here like it.

[Bugeater]

Techno dance music has never seemed very INTPish to me. It seems more an extrovert thing. I wonder why so many people here like it.
A lot of it is repetitious crap, but there is some really great stuff out there too. I don't necessarily like music you'd dance to, as I don't dance...but I find the beats along with the layers of other sounds fascinating. For instance, there's this song by Infected Mushroom called Stretched that I can listen to for hours on repeat. The first minute is kind of crap, but the rest is excellent because it's like variations on a theme. At one part, it's a woman almost wailing, then it jumps to piano, then what sounds like screaming electric guitars...all doing the same theme...it's mind-blowing, to me at least. I think of electronic music as sort of a modern classical genre...there's something about the way it's structured that really gets to me in the same way that a great symphony does.

[Tensore]

A lot of it is repetitious crap, but there is some really great stuff out there too. I don't necessarily like music you'd dance to, as I don't dance...but I find the beats along with the layers of other sounds fascinating. For instance, there's this song by Infected Mushroom called Stretched that I can listen to for hours on repeat. The first minute is kind of crap, but the rest is excellent because it's like variations on a theme. At one part, it's a woman almost wailing, then it jumps to piano, then what sounds like screaming electric guitars...all doing the same theme...it's mind-blowing, to me at least. I think of electronic music as sort of a modern classical genre...there's something about the way it's structured that really gets to me in the same way that a great symphony does.

Definatly a good group. My favorite techno song is called symphonatic by Infected Mushroom.

I'm a techno fan. But I find that while listening to the music, I tend to zone out and just think about things. I think most american type techno songs are repetition, whereas foreign groups are mixed.

[Madrigal]

It can be good or bad, like any music. It's like saying, 'do you like rock and roll?' That would depend.

[Hexchild]

This is one of those threads that make me wish I'd joined this forum earlier. Then again, when people bump old threads like this it's sort of like Christmas Eve.

Something like this (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=33589&postcount=36) in particular is something I've been looking for, for a long time. I've always had problems defining what genre my music is in. With this reference I think it'll be a lot easier. Thanks, Ape.


As for the topic itself, yeah I like Techno music. Yes, I love electronic music. And much like what lexiphanic said above, I enjoy the whole genre so much it has become the main focus of my music composing. Part of the reason is probably that I grew up as part of the Swedish Amiga demo making scene, where Eurodisco, Techno and eventually Trance (and miscellaneous related styles) were prominent features.

I believe that to truly understand a genre, you first have to listen to it enough that your subconscious accepts its general principles into your reference frame. Once you get there, you will probably enjoy most of its music.

[PlayerOfGames]

It can be good or bad, like any music. It's like saying, 'do you like rock and roll?' That would depend.

Word.

[aeon]

I voted "yes," but my love of "techno" is limited to stuff like Basic Channel, the minimal Detroit sound, modern revivalists like Andy Stott, and the deep ambient Monolake-flavor stuff. :wub:


cheers,
Ian

[steelle]

Yup, love it... started out listening to trip-hop/acid jazz, then drum&bass, then house, then progressive trance...one thing led to another and the next thing I know, I'm an electronica junkie.