Meanwhile, back in your overmortgaged suburban paradise...

[Kropotkin]

Suzanne Researched This Commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw)


This is wrong on so many levels.

Poor, poor American male. Thank you Oprah and Dr. Phil for turning so many American women into insufferable wenches?

Isn't this the new norm? Doughy beta male gets double teamed by two alpha cunts, and turned into a chattel boy. 30s GenX horror.

When she divorces him who is going to get the house? Uh-huh.

What a spectacle is represented here of people being programmed by advertising memes of manufactured needs and wants, enslaving themselves to their corporate masters in the process. Advertising like this fed into the housing bubble from which thousands profited handsomely at the now suffering of millions.

What a sick and twisted world is just beyond the edge of everyday awareness, if you care to look.

I'm 39 and I'm glad I never bought into these lies; it's too late to get me now!

[fripping]

the writing is on the wall, or in this case on the youtube comments.

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I hope this useless bitch knows how to control her gag reflex because once their financial ruin sets in he'll have every right to shove it all the way in...

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What's most amazing about this, is that it was posted over a year ago...and the comments from a year ago were dead on, when most people wouldn't even realize the crash was imminent until June '07 or so.

Forget the Finance section, I should read here more!'

but more importantly, what made this pop out at you?

[Karl]

This is worse than victoria secret commercials how?

I mean manipulating people via advertising isn't new. That's a good reason to not watch TV, or at least mute the commercials.

[WhiteRaven]

Hey, I loaded it to watch which I never do because I'm on dialup, be seeing how it was you...so I had to guess the premise from the comments there and here. I was wondering if this is the sentiment?

Luke's Guitar lyrics - Stompin' Tom Connors

Twang Twang-adiddle dang a diddle danga twanga twanga twang twanga diddle dang
Another dang twang another dang twang another dang twang...

I've been married now for a year or more and my old guitar hangs by the door.
That woman of mine says "hock that Luke" cause your momma dear needs a brand new suit.

Well I hocked my watch & I sold my dog & I pawned the gasoline stove
I hocked my ring and everything to keep that woman in clothes
I even pawned a cat & I hocked my boots and I sold the family car-
But that woman of mine will be 109 before I hock my old guitar

Chorus:
Twang twanga diddle-

She went out one day last week I guess & she won't come back until I say yes-
In answer to her "hock that Luke" My old guitar for a swimmin suit-

That'll be the day when I pawn my heart like I pawned the gasoline stove
I hocked my ring and everything just to keep that woman in clothes
I even pawned a cat and I hocked my boots and I sold the family car-
But that woman of mine will be old and blind before I hock my old guitar...

Chorus:

If she don't come back I won't be sore cuz I don't give a hoot about her no more
A man gets tire of "hock that Luke!" That woman of mine's too bad to shoot.

Chorus:

Well I hocked my watch and I sold my dog & I pawned the gasoline stove
I hocked my ring and everything just to keep that woman in clothes-
I even pawned a cat & I hocked my boots and I sold the family car-
But that woman of mine'll be in a box of pine before I hock my old guitar

Twang twanga diddle rahhhgtwanga twanga twang twanga diddle dang
Another dang twang and another dang twang

This song ain't over yet-

Still another dang twang and another dang twangand another dang twang....

[rainfall]

Hang up the phone. Slap around the wife. Fuck her roughly as a punishment, like apes do. Go to sleep. If only.

[cjs55]

This is worse than victoria secret commercials how?

yeah, cuz every victoria's secret ad involves an attractive husband yelling and scowling at his unattractive wife, screaming 'What!?' as she questions the validity of buying a bra. Not to mention, buying the bra (it must be made of diamonds or something) is likely a decision which will cripple you financially and destroy your marriage.

[Shoot!]

The face of feminine fascism.

[turt]

When hasn't it been like this? The best way for producers to make money is to use marketing techniques that make people think they can only be happy if they have something more even though they don't really need it (consumerism).

Look at how many people buy clothing for name on it or buy things to make themselves believe they are better than someone else. Tons of money is wasted that doesn't go into any real use.

[Lurker]

Suzanne Researched This Commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw)


This is wrong on so many levels.

Poor, poor American male. Thank you Oprah and Dr. Phil for turning so many American women into insufferable wenches?

Isn't this the new norm? Doughy beta male gets double teamed by two alpha cunts, and turned into a chattel boy. 30s GenX horror.

When she divorces him who is going to get the house? Uh-huh.

What a spectacle is represented here of people being programmed by advertising memes of manufactured needs and wants, enslaving themselves to their corporate masters in the process. Advertising like this fed into the housing bubble from which thousands profited handsomely at the now suffering of millions.

What a sick and twisted world is just beyond the edge of everyday awareness, if you care to look.

I'm 39 and I'm glad I never bought into these lies; it's too late to get me now!

This post sounds a bit crazy, no offense. :mellow:

[Rajah]

I think you read a whole hell of a lot into that commercial. To me, the commercial was innocuous. If anything, it suggests schlubby husband can't make a decision, so the wife conducted some research (or at least directed someone with skillz to conduct research). I mean, good thing someone's being forward-thinking and looking out for the kids? I think it's also interesting that your post reads in the context that the woman is a housewife - perhaps she's fronting the bill for the house and just would like to get her husband on the same page? We know zero about that woman's situation.

I also think it's ridiculous to psychoanalyze this commercial spot, but whatever.. it's on the table now.

And, I take some offense to your characterization of women in general as susceptible to Oprah/Dr. Phil's pop psychology.

[rainfall]

And, I take some offense to your characterization of women in general as susceptible to Oprah/Dr. Phil's pop psychology.

Percentage of women who are intp - 1% - %3

[eyebyte_atWork]

People have been getting programmed to finance their lives to the hilt for ages now.

Where does all this money go? Banks.

We live in the matrix - except instead of battery power - its a money.

Try living your life debt free (that means withing your means) - and people will think less of you - they have been socialized to react this way.

[Rajah]

Percentage of women who are intp - 1% - %3Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause only INTP women can control their lives?

[rainfall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause only INTP women can control their lives?

Most women can control their lives. Their children's lives, too. Their husbands. Parents.... "Friends"... Hmm..

[Faust06]

And, I take some offense to your characterization of women in general as susceptible to Oprah/Dr. Phil's pop psychology.

Moreso than men in general.

[digesthisickness]

Suzanne Researched This Commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw)

of all the commercials that are out there that are annoying as shit, and this is the one you chose to bitch about? my god, i find this one to be relatively tame compared to many others. what about that string of commercials that mcdonald's had (among many other companies doing this) that made men look like they couldn't wipe their own asses without a woman telling them how and when?

remember that one where the guy had just moved out on his own, away from mommy, and he couldn't figure out how to open refrigerator biscuits? i literally yelled at the tv. men are being portrayed as complete retards in the media.

it's irritating as hell, yes, but what really bothers me is that we're obviously in the midst of some idea that is prevalent enough that professional commercial "manipulators" are using it (for what i assume is a cheap attempt at humor) because for the most part, it'll work. meaning while i was bitching at the tv, most women were laughing and nodding, and the advertisers know it (which is another irritation. the husbands, daughters, and sons watching her agree).

this leads me to the next bothersome point about this subject. if it were the other way around and 'harold husband' dared to insinuate that 'wendy wife' couldn't use a hammer, all fucking hell would break loose. the advertisers go with what research has told them will worlk. so, they know which gender they can pick on (and which to kiss up to).

why is it so damned hard for them to avoid insulting either gender? after all, BOTH spend money. i'd love to say that in the long run, they screw themselves, but the truth is that most men either let it slide in order to avoid drama, or they simply aren't as quick to 'rise up' and defend themselves. what a shame, really.

i can't help but wonder how little boys are supposed to deal with figuring all of this out. it seems like everywhere they turn they're given the choice of being a "criminal", a "retard", or a "pussy" when they grow up.

because it's not just commercials. it's television shows, movies, etc. which are also huge money-making businesses that have done research in order to make the most money, and have obviously come to the conclusion that this is what people want because they relate to it. scary.

i feel for men. i really do. they're caught between a rock and a hard place. if they defend themselves, they'll either be called insensitive to women, OR they'll be called 'too sensitive' for 'taking it so personally'.

if i were a male, there isn't a lot in the media that would give me much reason to bother attempting to take pride in myself. i'd feel like no matter what i did, i'd still be seen as a damn joke.


Poor, poor American male. Thank you Oprah and Dr. Phil for turning so many American women into insufferable wenches?

i'd also like to be able to agree with rajah on this generalization being an insult, but the sad truth is that the majority of women seem to be unable to even make the simple decision of which book to read these days without it first having the stamp of approval from one of these two.

it sickens me that so many follow them blindly as if they shit wisdom.

so just so all you guys who are still trying to do the right thing will know there's one chick out there that's noticing...

:wub: to you.

[demagogic_schizoid]

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What's most amazing about this, is that it was posted over a year ago...and the comments from a year ago were dead on, when most people wouldn't even realize the crash was imminent until June '07 or so.

Gee, who'd have guessed that a boom at some point must turn to bust?

if it was the norm, then it wouldn't be called a BOOM in the fucking first place, would it?

financial section? try just reading some history!

[Lateralus]

Digest...

:highfive: :wub:

[SilentlyHonest]

Digest...

:highfive: :wub:

Ditto.:theclap:

[Rajah]

of all the commercials that are out there that are annoying as shit, and this is the one you chose to bitch about? my god, i find this one to be relatively tame compared to many others. what about that string of commercials that mcdonald's had (among many other companies doing this) that made men look like they couldn't wipe their own asses without a woman telling them how and when?

remember that one where the guy had just moved out on his own, away from mommy, and he couldn't figure out how to open refrigerator biscuits? i literally yelled at the tv. men are being portrayed as complete retards in the media.

it's irritating as hell, yes, but what really bothers me is that we're obviously in the midst of some idea that is prevalent enough that professional commercial "manipulators" are using it because for the most part, it'll work. meaning while i was bitching at the tv, most women were laughing and nodding, and the advertisers know it.

which leads me to the next irritating point about this subject. if it were the other way around and 'harold husband' dared to insinuate that 'wendy wife' couldn't use a hammer, all fucking hell would break loose. the advertisers go with what research has told them will worlk. so, they know which gender they can pick on (and which to kiss up to).

why is it so damned hard for them to avoid insulting either gender? after all, BOTH spend money. i'd love to say that in the long run, they screw themselves, but the truth is that most men either let it slide in order to avoid drama, or they simply aren't as quick to 'rise up' and defend themselves. what a shame, really.

i can't help but wonder how little boys are supposed to deal with figuring all of this out. it seems like everywhere they turn they're given the choice of being a "criminal", a "retard", or a "pussy" when they grow up.

because it's not just commercials. it's television shows, movies, etc. which are also huge money-making businesses that have done research in order to make the most money, and have obviously come to the conclusion that this is what people want because they relate to it. scary.

i feel for men. i really do. they're caught between a rock and a hard place. if they defend themselves, they'll either be called insensitive to women, OR they'll be called 'too sensitive' for 'taking it so personally'.

if i were a male, there isn't a lot in the media that would give me much reason to bother attempting to take pride in myself. i'd feel like no matter what i did, i'd still be seen as a damn joke.



i'd also like to be able to agree with rajah on this generalization being an insult, but the sad truth is that the majority of women seem to be unable to even make the simple decision of which book to read these days without it first having the stamp of approval from one of these two.

it sickens me that so many follow them blindly as if they shit wisdom.

so just so all you guys who are still trying to do the right thing will know there's one chick out there that's noticing...

:wub: to you.So men can't make a decision without women, and women can't make a decision without Oprah and Dr. Phil.

Okay.

I'm not disagreeing with the premise that commercials reinforce stereotypes and portray men as browbeaten by women... I am disagreeing with this particular commercial being a launching point for this particular discussion. You have to read a lot into the commercial, and grapple with your own stereotyping, to arrive at that conclusion.

[digesthisickness]

So men can't make a decision without women, and women can't make a decision without Oprah and Dr. Phil.

Okay.

most women aren't like you and i.

which reminds me, i'd also like to show my respect to the women who are doing their best to raise their girls and boys in the midst of this deluge. they have one hell of a job.


I'm not disagreeing with the premise that commercials reinforce stereotypes and portray men as browbeaten by women... I am disagreeing with this particular commercial being a launching point for this particular discussion. You have to read a lot into the commercial, and grapple with your own stereotyping, to arrive at that conclusion.

i absolutely agree.

[Lateralus]

So men can't make a decision without women, and women can't make a decision without Oprah and Dr. Phil.

Okay.

I'm not disagreeing with the premise that commercials reinforce stereotypes and portray men as browbeaten by women... I am disagreeing with this particular commercial being a launching point for this particular discussion. You have to read a lot into the commercial, and grapple with your own stereotyping, to arrive at that conclusion.
I agree that this commercial probably wasn't the best example, but I still enjoy the discussion! :p

[Ivy]

*cough* (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=18920)

The stereotypes in the commercial are annoying and troublesome. The stereotypes voiced by the OP are just as annoying and troublesome.

[Lurker]

*cough* (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=18920)

The stereotypes in the commercial are annoying and troublesome. The stereotypes voiced by the OP are just as annoying and troublesome.

:highfive:

[Autumn]

I don't get it :mellow:.

The woman wants to buy a house and is rather dominant in behaviour while the man doesn't want to buy the house and is unsure in behaviour.
Then the telephone plays a message "This listing(?) is special, John, you guts(?) can do this" then the woman adds "k&%$(?) can do this" and that convinces the man. WTF? :sadbanana:

[Hustler]

You people are on Ne overdrive. It wasn't the woman's badgering that got him to buy the house, it was all about the size of that garage.

[firch]

You people are on Ne overdrive. It wasn't the woman's badgering that got him to buy the house, it was all about the size of that garage.
How did I miss that subtext. Damn. That's one expensive refuge though.

[Limey]

The guy in the ad was a perceiver, probably a sensing perceiver.
I feel sorry for SP males with J females, I have a neighbor like that and she rides him like an Italian Jockey.

EDIT: The neighborhood/sub-division I'm in is full of people like this that should have worked more on their career or ridding themselves of debt before considering an inflated mortgage. Many of them had to plump for the big, fat mini white house McMansion, replete with the faux pillars out front and three+ HVAC zones.
Personally speaking, I've stuck to something that I know I can easily afford and have money left over for cars and vacations.
I don't blame corporations, banks or advertising, people do this to one another and weaker people fall for the "Jones" competition.

[MadamI'madaM]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about modern day stake burnings of marketing execs and the fucked up gender roles in America today, but if you would actually respond well to "What?!" from someone who couldn't back it up with bullets/blades/blows then you deserve to be walked on. In fact, you're literally doing it to yourself. It's not like she would've gone all Bobbit with a butcher's knife if he'd just said woah, horsey. He also didn't seem to have any better ideas. But the fact that a marketing team decided that was the best way to present it to us does still scare the shit out of me.


Yes, things aren't like they used to be. But white guys are still basically wearing the pants and holding the "juice" that seem to be conceded to women and minorities in the media today. We let them have their Iraqi Freedom Barbies and their hip-hop, because if we didn't they'd probably start crying. And then we'd start crying...you get the picture. It's still more or less the same.

[Sojourner]

Percentage of women who are intp - 1% - %3

I just wanted to clarify: 1%-3% is the estimated percentage of INTPs in the general population, regardless of gender.

Ivy has said everything else that needs to be said.

[Roger Mexico]

[/I]

i can't help but wonder how little boys are supposed to deal with figuring all of this out. it seems like everywhere they turn they're given the choice of being a "criminal", a "retard", or a "pussy" when they grow up.

because it's not just commercials. it's television shows, movies, etc. which are also huge money-making businesses that have done research in order to make the most money, and have obviously come to the conclusion that this is what people want because they relate to it. scary.

i feel for men. i really do. they're caught between a rock and a hard place. if they defend themselves, they'll either be called insensitive to women, OR they'll be called 'too sensitive' for 'taking it so personally'.

if i were a male, there isn't a lot in the media that would give me much reason to bother attempting to take pride in myself. i'd feel like no matter what i did, i'd still be seen as a damn joke.



i'd also like to be able to agree with rajah on this generalization being an insult, but the sad truth is that the majority of women seem to be unable to even make the simple decision of which book to read these days without it first having the stamp of approval from one of these two.

it sickens me that so many follow them blindly as if they shit wisdom.

so just so all you guys who are still trying to do the right thing will know there's one chick out there that's noticing...

:wub: to you.


Thank you.

As to OP/preceding responses:

Let's not neglect that a lot of this is plain old ersatz self-actualization through consumption.

Female empowerment is now conveniently available in the form of a decision to spend money, same as personal freedom (Harley Davidson), virility (Dodge), sociability/attractiveness (Budweiser, Miller, Coors), creativity/originality (Sprite), and of course love (the entire fucking diamond industry).

So, feminists are not completely off the hook here. Collectively, you're approximately as easily duped by "buy trinket A and the men in your life will be forced to acknowledge your intelligence" as men are by "buy trinket B and hot women will want to fuck you."

[rainfall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bet9BOptXw

[Meliora]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bet9BOptXw

:lol:

[Sojourner]

[/I]Female empowerment is now conveniently available in the form of a decision to spend money, same as personal freedom (Harley Davidson), virility (Dodge), sociability/attractiveness (Budweiser, Miller, Coors), creativity/originality (Sprite), and of course love (the entire fucking diamond industry).

So, feminists are not completely off the hook here. Collectively, you're approximately as easily duped by "buy trinket A and the men in your life will be forced to acknowledge your intelligence" as men are by "buy trinket B and hot women will want to fuck you."

What, then, do you define as a "feminist"?

[euterpenc]

I thought what was bad about the vid was that the "Suzanne" who said it was alright and they could do it was the real estate agent. "I don't want to buy that sofa.." "Oh but honey the salesperson says we should!" "Oh.. in that case..."

[TONE381]

There certainly seems to be a trend in advertising to portray men as dumb, weak, incompetent, losers in need of female rescue, etc. Part of me wants to be outraged at this, but mostly, I've got to hope that I'm intelligent enough to not be too bothered by what I see in the media, because the reality is that most things come from the media are garbage. But it strikes a nerve because media is a reflection of culture, and I have seen many couples in real life who have the dynamic of what is portrayed here, including many friends of mine. I sometimes wonder if part of them doesn't like being ruled over by a female tyrant, because the way I see it, their wives' behavior should not be tolerated. Why any man would get married to a woman like that is beyond me.

But I think we should be careful not to label all women as tyrants brainwashed by consumer culture and Oprah, because the stereotype fits a large swath of women, but certainly not all. Many are able to transcend the messages they receive from television and culture, and will treat you with respect and decency, and deserve the same. I fell into this gender-war trap in college, and started to jump on some sort of men's rights bandwagon, until I realized that this reverse-stereotyping was dangerous, and carrying around that amount of hate was making me miserable. It's important to stay away from women such as those portrayed in this commercial, but each woman should be judged on her own merits, apart from the stereotypes of the modern women culture sends to us, because sinking down to the level of feminist just cannot be the answer.

[rainfall]

Commercials in Canada provide for far better male role models. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugTeOz7rsgE)

[Meliora]

Commercials in Canada provide for far better male role models. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugTeOz7rsgE)

Haha, what the hell...

[s0978]

You people are on Ne overdrive. It wasn't the woman's badgering that got him to buy the house, it was all about the size of that garage.


How did I miss that subtext. Damn. That's one expensive refuge though.

Interesting, I was recently told that real estate agents know it's typically the women who make the decision on a property, and that men are only interested in the garage- seems to be a stereotype that holds often enough to impact how they pitch. News to me, and quite curious- I wonder how well it holds, and why it would, or does.

[Hustler]

There certainly seems to be a trend in advertising to portray men as dumb, weak, incompetent, losers in need of female rescue, etc. Part of me wants to be outraged at this, but mostly, I've got to hope that I'm intelligent enough to not be too bothered by what I see in the media, because the reality is that most things come from the media are garbage.
Why would you be outraged? Are you not aware that this is all part of the patriarchal conspiracy? You see, how it works is men are portrayed as dumb, weak, incompetent losers, and eventually women buy into the stereotype and stop even trying to get them to do anything and, as such, the men have a lot more free time since some venomous, slave-driving woman isn't nagging them to do stuff 24/7. I thought this would have been obvious.

[daseinmind]

Why would you be outraged? Are you not aware that this is all part of the patriarchal conspiracy? You see, how it works is men are portrayed as dumb, weak, incompetent losers, and eventually women buy into the stereotype and stop even trying to get them to do anything and, as such, the men have a lot more free time since some venomous, slave-driving woman isn't nagging them to do stuff 24/7. I thought this would have been obvious.

If you tell him about the laundry trick...SO HELP ME! (This channel is not safe)

[In...TP]

is following the food chain absurd? not to be tedious.

[TONE381]

Why would you be outraged? Are you not aware that this is all part of the patriarchal conspiracy? You see, how it works is men are portrayed as dumb, weak, incompetent losers, and eventually women buy into the stereotype and stop even trying to get them to do anything and, as such, the men have a lot more free time since some venomous, slave-driving woman isn't nagging them to do stuff 24/7. I thought this would have been obvious.

The outraged part I was talking about is mostly the dormant Fe friend, now don't give away our secrets to the wannabe matriarchs. Let them enjoy their scraps.