NT humor vs. NF humor

[CreativeChaos]

Okay, since the "who is the funniest" came on, I thought I'd start a thread about the differences between NF and NT humor. I see a radical differrence. (Damned if I can delineate what it is) But it IS VERY different. Some of the times you guys will take what I'm saying seriously when I meant it as a joke and vice versa. Maybe there aren't enough NFs on this forum to make a clear distinction, but just from my experience in NF chat rooms, the sense of humor is INCREDIBLY different.

Here's what I see:

Both are subtle and imaginative, and love taking puns and "intuitive leaps" in their humor.

NTs seem even MORE sublte in humor than NFs. But NF subtlety comes in the interpretation of a joke, rather than the literalness of the joke. (Does that make sense, I searching here.)

NT's are more "stoic" in their jokes, NFs are more "feeling" in there jokes (naturally).

I'm going to try to find a way for each to "make a joke". And start a joke thread, between NFs and NTs. Anyone up for a joke thread? Got any ideas? I'll be thinking about it. Might be something like the "Whatchasaymuthafucka". If so, we'll have to move it to the playground, I don't know.

Thoughts?

[nobarcode]

For whatever it's worth, we have/had a joke thread in terms of ba dat da....bing. I'd post a link to it here, but it's in the "Muture audiences..whatever" section. It's on the last page.

[booyalab]

I get the 'stoic' vs 'feeling' part of the description, but not the phrase before that.
Is it the difference between 'dry' and 'whimsical'?

[CreativeChaos]

For whatever it's worth, we have/had a joke thread in terms of ba dat da....bing. I'd post a link to it here, but it's in the "Muture audiences..whatever" section. It's on the last page.

Yeah!? I'll take a look at it. Trying to get some joking. And then analyze the joking. Heh! Be kinda difficult. What's the name of "changing your behavoir because you know it's being observed?"

Or maybe you could just put it here as a thread to "observe". Don't know if it's in the Mature section.

[Elro]

Hmm. I'm not sure, but lemme throw out a guess:

Kitty Fan (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kittyfan.php)

I suspect the above link will make an NT laugh, whereas many NFs would feel sorry for the cat.

(For the record, I feel sorry for the cat, too. But only when it hits the wall. And only while laughing.)

[CreativeChaos]

I get the 'stoic' vs 'feeling' part of the description, but not the phrase before that.
Is it the difference between 'dry' and 'whimsical'?

Uhh.. without looking the words up, I would interpret dry, as seeming to be serious, but not. Whimsical, would be using words in ways not meant. "On a whim".

What first part do you not get?

[CreativeChaos]

Hmm. I'm not sure, but lemme throw out a guess:

Kitty Fan (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kittyfan.php)

I suspect the above link will make an NT laugh, whereas many NFs would feel sorry for the cat.

(For the record, I feel sorry for the cat, too. But only when it hits the wall. And only while laughing.)

Ha! That's good! I though it was funny. And I love cats. That's hilarious. Hee!

["InsertNameHere"]

wow...thats was hilarious! I was surprised that i found that funny because i'm a cat lover, figuratively speaking that is. Oh well, hopefully it didn't die...

[booyalab]

Uhh.. without looking the words up, I would interpret dry, as seeming to be serious, but not. Whimsical, would be using words in ways not meant. "On a whim".

What first part do you not get?

I wanted to know if " NF subtlety comes in the interpretation of a joke, "
could mean whimsical humor
....and if
"rather than the literalness of the joke." could mean dry humor

but you know.....I believe INTJ humor is more dry than INTP humor, which can alternate between whimsical and dry

[booyalab]

wow...thats was hilarious! I was surprised that i found that funny because i'm a cat lover, figuratively speaking that is. Oh well, hopefully it didn't die...

I thought it was funny too.....and I LOVE your avatar! :D

[CreativeChaos]

I wanted to know if " NF subtlety comes in the interpretation of a joke, "
could mean whimsical humor
....and if
"rather than the literalness of the joke." could mean dry humor

but you know.....I believe INTJ humor is more dry than INTP humor, which can alternate between whimsical and dry

Yeah! I think that's it, booyalab. And for others, I'm talking about the general joking that occurs here. Jokes that NT make ad jokes that NFs make. I think there are a lot of jokes we could put on here that would make EVERYONE laugh. Heh! Like the kitty. THAT's hilarious! But since I didn't put this in the playground area, let's make this a serious commentary on joking! (HAAA, you see, THAT was really funny to me. A paradox, see?)

[Elro]

Oh well, hopefully it didn't die...

:D

My next attempt at a humo(u)r theory:

NTs- understatement
NFs- hyperbole

..Perhaps?

[Lee]

NT's = funny
NF's = less funny

NF's hold back on homour because they are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

edit: some kinds of jokes, not all.

[Elro]

NF's hold back on homour because they are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

Hrm. I wouldn't say that. I have a couple of NF friends, and both are actually quite humorous. Although I see what you mean if you're talking about making fun of people; they probably do that less frequently than most types.

[Lee]

Hrm. I wouldn't say that. I have a couple of NF friends, and both are actually quite humorous. Although I see what you mean if you're talking about making fun of people; they probably do that less frequently than most types.

Thats more what I meant, ENFJ's especially, maybe it's a virtue.

[mgb]

I really enjoy making fun of people. It's kind of a sport actually. Not to say that I can't take a joke at my expense.

I wonder what the difference is between P and J humour (if we break it down a little further). Or I and E for that matter.

[callie]

NT's = funny
NF's = less funny

NF's hold back on homour because they are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

edit: some kinds of jokes, not all.


An other way to say that the only thing that makes NT laugh is people's bad luck.... :angry:

[Lee]

An other way to say that the only thing that makes NT laugh is people's bad luck.... :angry:

You could say it like that......but you would be wrong.

note: I did not say NF's weren't funny, they just hold back to avoid hurt feelings......sometimes.

[callie]

No, no, i did not take it like NFs are not funny, not at all!! :smooch: Thank you to be a so good feeler and check that my NF feelings were not hurt by your post! ;P
But, well, if i am wrong about NTs, what is wrong and why? :huh:

[booyalab]

An other way to say that the only thing that makes NT laugh is people's bad luck.... :angry:

that reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, by Mel Brooks
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die."

[nBT]

well there is a level of sarcasm and cynism that im wary or not to use too much around S people. INTJ's do have a more biting (or F ignoring) sense of humor (Te?). i remember well a classmate (SP?) constantly telling me i was mean. what, i was only joking.

if i may: NT jokes would involve some T work. maybe technical topics? or the joke wrapped in 'technical' terms?
and F jokes would revolve about peoples feelings. aside from them being hurt or not?

[joft]

What's this about NFs being subtle?

[nobarcode]

It must have been a typo.

[CreativeChaos]

What's this about NFs being subtle?


:p Did you even GET my joke I made?

[CreativeChaos]

Here's one that pasted everyone by.
Here's the joke:
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=60132&postcount=104
Here is me finally having to explain joke:
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=64604&postcount=116

I find this occuring rather frequently. IRL as well. My jokes are just too subtle. I hate it when that happens, so I go back to explain. This has happend fairly often. Why didn't they get that was a joke?

[nobarcode]

I had a professor High School that wrote a ten page dissertation on what it would be like to live inside of a ping-pong ball. Perhaps you, CC, could write one on what it would be like to spin on a top found inside a Cracker Jack box.

[nobarcode]

That was for illustration.

[CreativeChaos]

I had a professor High School that wrote a ten page dissertation on what it would be like to live inside of a ping-pong ball. Perhaps you, CC, could write one on what it would be like to spin on a top found inside a Cracker Jack box.

Yes. I see the joke. And it was cute. That's what I would call dry humor.


And if figures that YOU, nobarcode, would go to such a school that had nutty professors like that! No wonder we get LLLLOOooooonNNNnnngggg posts about *CC goes to Mardi Gras thread to get quote*

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=2334&page=13&pp=10

This was about how NT's DON't speak in code. yada, yada. :p

[Geoff]

Here's one that pasted everyone by.
Here's the joke:
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=60132&postcount=104
Here is me finally having to explain joke:
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=64604&postcount=116

I find this occuring rather frequently. IRL as well. My jokes are just too subtle. I hate it when that happens, so I go back to explain. This has happend fairly often. Why didn't they get that was a joke?

And that was a joke? Don't give up the day job... ;P

-Geoff

[Vagabond]

I felt sorry for the cat... :huh:

[CreativeChaos]

And that was a joke? Don't give up the day job...
-Geoff

:p You SEE!!!!! YOU GUYS JUST DON'T GET NF HUMOR!!!! :p :smooch:

-------I,,,,,,,I,,,,,,I thought is was VERY good. :cry: It had multiple sides. ;P

Off-joke:
*sighs* Let me explain. All I saw was that the guys were talking about shallow bitches. So I brought in a very "stern, manarchial, deep" photo of myself and told them to stop talking about me behind my back (indicating that I was a shallow bitch) BUT the photo had two sides. One a monarch female telling them what to do, two a female that was obviously deep, not shallow. They took me seriously and started apologizing for talking about shallow bitches. HUH??????? :huh:

[CreativeChaos]

OH yeah! AND I find that paragraph to be VERY ROFL funny! Haa!

[athman]

I have a family member who works in TV and used to work on comedy sketch shows. When I rang him at work the receptionist would answer in a deadpan serious voice 'Hello, comedy'. - that cracked me up every time but no one else thought it was funny. i guess it was the juxtaposition. or maybe its just me.

[jyakulis]

NT's = funny
NF's = less funny

NF's hold back on homour because they are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

edit: some kinds of jokes, not all.

yeah, they have soooooooooo much feeling input. I just love the way they find cats and other cuddly creatures so sweet and wuvable. AWWWWW tee hee. :wub: :) :whistle:

[CreativeChaos]

yeah, they have soooooooooo much feeling input. I just love the way they find cats and other cuddly creatures so sweet and wuvable. AWWWWW tee hee. :wub: :) :whistle:

Now THAT's sarcasim.

[nobarcode]

And if figures that YOU, nobarcode, would go to such a school that had nutty professors like that!
He actually saved my life really. Okay,,,,on with the humor.

[Geoff]

:p You SEE!!!!! YOU GUYS JUST DON'T GET NF HUMOR!!!! :p :smooch:

-------I,,,,,,,I,,,,,,I thought is was VERY good. :cry: It had multiple sides. ;P

Off-joke:
*sighs* Let me explain. All I saw was that the guys were talking about shallow bitches. So I brought in a very "stern, manarchial, deep" photo of myself and told them to stop talking about me behind my back (indicating that I was a shallow bitch) BUT the photo had two sides. One a monarch female telling them what to do, two a female that was obviously deep, not shallow. They took me seriously and started apologizing for talking about shallow bitches. HUH??????? :huh:

I am pulling your leg, my dear...

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

I am pulling your leg, my dear...

-Geoff

And I'm am pulling yours, Sweetie. Did you take me seriously. How could you take all that seriously?

[CreativeChaos]

He actually saved my life really. Okay,,,,on with the humor.

Haa! That reminds me of "The Nutty Proffessor" with Jerry Lee Lewis. Just an aside. Back to analysing humor.

[CreativeChaos]

Now THAT's sarcasim.

I see you have the "NF way" down really pat, there Don!

[Lee]

CC I have a theory that you are always just joking so that when you make a mistake you can say "I was only joking".......it might be wonderfully clever.

Kinda like myself, I say that I can never make up my mind and therefore have no opinion.....so I am never wrong...yay for me.

[Geoff]

And I'm am pulling yours, Sweetie. Did you take me seriously. How could you take all that seriously?

Nice try. Dont believe ya though! You wear your heart on your sleeve.

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

Nice try. Dont believe ya though! You wear your heart on your sleeve.

-Geoff

Huh? :huh: NO! I was joking! You too Lee! Why do you think I put a ;P after the joke? When I said "off-joke" I wasn't joking. Why would you think I wasn't joking? "Oh what a tangled web we weave" jk.

[Geoff]

I was pulling your leg when I said I didnt think it was a joke, I understood it at the time, and see the humour, very gentle though it is. I was pulling your leg at the 'off joke' section.. where you seem concerned that noone understands you.

Are you with me now?

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

I was pulling your leg when I said I didnt think it was a joke, I understood it at the time, and see the humour, very gentle though it is. I was pulling your leg at the 'off joke' section.. where you seem concerned that noone understands you.

Are you with me now?

-Geoff

Okay, lets see.... When I made a joke that I wasn't sure people got my jokes, you said jokingly that you didn't get my joke, when actually you did, which I jokingly said that...uhh... :huh:

So you think my humour is gentle? Could that be a subtle difference? Between NF and NT humour. Is it humour or humor?

[Geoff]

Okay, lets see.... When I made a joke that I wasn't sure people got my jokes, you said jokingly that you didn't get my joke, when actually you did, which I jokingly said that...uhh... :huh:

So you think my humour is gentle? Could that be a subtle difference? Between NF and NT humour. Is it humour or humor?

Yep, you summarised the joke web as correctly woven. Phew!

Your humour is either blatantly obvious or quite subtle. INTP humour is usually dry and sarcastic and made up of word play. We like playing with systems and patterns.

As for humor or humour. Well, the British spelling of humor is usually s-a-r-c-a-s-m.

-Geoff

[Zero Angel]

The NFs I know can use sarcasm, but its usually over the top and harmless (unlike the sometimes cutting NT sarcasm), they light up if we play along with it.

[booyalab]

The NFs I know can use sarcasm, but its usually over the top and harmless (unlike the sometimes cutting NT sarcasm), they light up if we play along with it.

I use over the top sarcasm on the forum. Caps and !!! are way fun to type. IRL I rarely emote like people probably think I do.

edit: actually part of the fun is giving people an innacurate impression..i dont know if anyone else relates to that

[CreativeChaos]

I use over the top sarcasm on the forum. Caps and !!! are way fun to type. IRL I rarely emote like people probably think I do.

edit: actually part of the fun is giving people an innacurate impression..i dont know if anyone else relates to that

Haa! You ARE really evil, aren't you? :devil:

[nobarcode]

edit: actually part of the fun is giving people an innacurate impression..i dont know if anyone else relates to thatThat just might be what makes polls so much fun.

[CreativeChaos]

That just might be what makes polls so much fun.

Well then your poll are all aschew. Heh! :devil: Considering your subjects. :whistle:

[Eileen]

I think that I like joking more with NTs.

I am too braindead after being at work from 7:30AM to 6:00PM to tell you why. But I kind of have an offensive sense of humor that I only express around Morgan or people who know me really, really well (for fear of hurting someone's feelings or being misunderstood). I like to satirize the absurdity of racial jokes/steroetypes by making terribly racist statements. But again, I usually keep that humor to myself unless I know the people I'm with well enough to trust that they won't take it the wrong way.

I'm also really amused by "obvious" humor. Like:

Ask me if I'm a shiny, red firetruck.
Are you a shiny, red fire truck?
...No.

Stupid. But for some reason, it cracks me up.

[CreativeChaos]

You know somehow, I'm reminded of SP humor. That's because most comedians are SPs. Like Saturday Night Live. These are a bunch of ESFP types creating "sensing" type of humor.

[Warrior413]

NTs. No doubt.

[CreativeChaos]

NTs. No doubt.

Are you saying you think the guys on Saturday Night Live are NTs? If so, why?

[Warrior413]

Are you saying you think the guys on Saturday Night Live are NTs? If so, why?
No, I just kinda skipped to the end. I don't watch SNL anymore, it's not funny. What I meant was I prefer NT humor.

[Lee]

Ask me if I'm a shiny, red firetruck.
Are you a shiny, red fire truck?
...No.


:rofl:

[CreativeChaos]

Originally Posted by Eileen the INFJ
Ask me if I'm a shiny, red firetruck.
Are you a shiny, red fire truck?
...No.


:rofl: I agree Lee and Eileen!

[Geoff]

I use over the top sarcasm on the forum. Caps and !!! are way fun to type. IRL I rarely emote like people probably think I do.

edit: actually part of the fun is giving people an innacurate impression..i dont know if anyone else relates to that

Me too. raison d'etre.

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

Hee! And everyone thinks I'm NF. :devil:

[Last Song]

Nothing in this thread has been funny. =/

[CreativeChaos]

Nothing in this thread has been funny. =/

Haa! Now that was sarcasm. Hee! (you weren't serious were you?) :blink:

[booyalab]

Hee! And everyone thinks I'm NF. :devil:
when in actuality you're an evil kitten bent on global domination?

[Last Song]

I really don't know. I think Eileen was funny. I didn't laugh but I think I almost smiled.

[CreativeChaos]

when in actuality you're an evil kitten bent on global domination?

Heh! :devil: That's pretty good! Me thinks I'll let you escape my TRUE intent, my evil plan.

Edit: poem I wrote in response. Heh! :devil:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=66114&postcount=37

[Eileen]

You know, I realized today that I am often cracking really subtle jokes when i'm teaching, and there's this one girl who sits in the front row of my fourth period who always chuckles a little bit, and she's the only one. I should give her an A.

[CreativeChaos]

You know, I realized today that I am often cracking really subtle jokes when i'm teaching, and there's this one girl who sits in the front row of my fourth period who always chuckles a little bit, and she's the only one. I should give her an A.

Hee! I'm sure that's what she is hoping. It couldn't be that your jokes are actually funny. (that's putdown humor) She just can't afford apples. :D

[Geoff]

You know, I realized today that I am often cracking really subtle jokes when i'm teaching, and there's this one girl who sits in the front row of my fourth period who always chuckles a little bit, and she's the only one. I should give her an A.

A for Apple for Teacher? Maybe she has a little crush on you heh

-Geoff

[Eileen]

Perhaps so. She doesn't need me to give her an A, though. She's got an A all on her own.

She's very, very observant, I've noticed. This girl has some serious learning disabilities, and I think that she compensates by paying very close attention, which is why she notices my little jokes.


Today, though, my most well-received crack was on this kid who we'll call He-who-never-does-any-work-and-is-always-out-of-his-seat (HWNDAWAIAOOHS).

HWNDAWAIAOOHS is taking free-shots with balled up paper (makes this tree hugger cringe) while I'm trying to make it around the room to check progress.

"Hey! HWNDAWAIAOOHS! Get back over here!" I observe that he has made no progress on his assignment.

"What?" says HWNDAWAIAOOHS. "I didn't even do anything!"

I point at his paper that sits forlorn and neglected on the table. "I KNOW you didn't do anything! Now come over here and do something!"

All HWNDAWAIAOOHS's friends laugh. Busted! Of course, the same joke could have been on any of them... lazy putzes.

[Geoff]

Perhaps so. She doesn't need me to give her an A, though. She's got an A all on her own.

She's very, very observant, I've noticed. This girl has some serious learning disabilities, and I think that she compensates by paying very close attention, which is why she notices my little jokes.


Today, though, my most well-received crack was on this kid who we'll call He-who-never-does-any-work-and-is-always-out-of-his-seat (HWNDAWAIAOOHS).

HWNDAWAIAOOHS is taking free-shots with balled up paper (makes this tree hugger cringe) while I'm trying to make it around the room to check progress.

"Hey! HWNDAWAIAOOHS! Get back over here!" I observe that he has made no progress on his assignment.

"What?" says HWNDAWAIAOOHS. "I didn't even do anything!"

I point at his paper that sits forlorn and neglected on the table. "I KNOW you didn't do anything! Now come over here and do something!"

All HWNDAWAIAOOHS's friends laugh. Busted! Of course, the same joke could have been on any of them... lazy putzes.


You were born to be a teacher Eileen. I had a teacher at school with a sense of humour like that, and it made learning so much more bearable.

-Geoff

[Eileen]

You were born to be a teacher Eileen. I had a teacher at school with a sense of humour like that, and it made learning so much more bearable.


Thank you!

[MasterMerk]

Man, NT and NF has nothing to do with humour. I can be dry or witty or observant or sarcastic or whatever, doesn't matter.

[Limey]

KNOCK KNOCK!
<sigh> who's there?
Dead baby.

[Curtis24]

As an NF, I hate most dirty jokes. Not sure if all or most NFs are that, or maybe just INFs.

[avolkiteshvara]

As an NF, I hate most dirty jokes. Not sure if all or most NFs are that, or maybe just INFs.

So do you like jokes about puppies and Kermit the Frog?

[Limey]

As an NF, I hate most dirty jokes. Not sure if all or most NFs are that, or maybe just INFs.

hmmm
<rubs chin>

KNOCK KNOCK!
Whos there?
Big Black Cock

[avolkiteshvara]

hmmm
<rubs chin>

KNOCK KNOCK!
Whos there?
Big Black Cock

hahahahahaha

[Shakesbeer]

hmmm
<rubs chin>

KNOCK KNOCK!
Whos there?
Big Black Cock

The British Broadcasting Corporation's positive discrimination agency?

[Shakesbeer]

AS another example,

Today I've been walking around saying Happy New Year's Adam to every girl I know, to show that I'm anti-sexism.

[Etherealsage]

As an NF, I hate most dirty jokes. Not sure if all or most NFs are that, or maybe just INFs.
My INFJ ex-girlfriend was worse than me in the dirty joke department. I'm pretty bad myself sometimes. So it's not INF's or NF's.

[Karl]

NF jokes seem to be a bit nicer...

[sandwich]

My INFP brother has told me some extremely crude jokes. But he usually introduces it with, "so, I must be pretty buzzed now, because there's no other way I would tell you this..."

He occasionally tests NT, but I know a few NFs who aren't nice in their humor at all.

[Karl]

I just mean in general.

I'm honestly trying to get out of the habit making jokes at other people's expense, so I guess I could be one of the outliers. They're funny and they're not meant seriously, so there's a lot of people who don't mind it at all, but I'm still starting to see it as a bad habit.

Then again I test borderline on several traits recently, thought I was an NT for years, etc.

[karenk]

I'm honestly trying to get out of the habit making jokes at other people's expense, so I guess I could be one of the outliers.

Yes, this would be the antithesis to INFJ in that regard. (I mean if you really considered it an expense to someone.)

[Curtis24]

My INFJ ex-girlfriend was worse than me in the dirty joke department. I'm pretty bad myself sometimes. So it's not INF's or NF's.

True, but perhaps the intent of their jokes would be less mean-spirited. Its one thing to make dirty jokes as a way of flirting with someone, another thing entirely to do it behind someone's back in a mean-spirited or leering way.

[Etherealsage]

True, but perhaps the intent of their jokes would be less mean-spirited. Its one thing to make dirty jokes as a way of flirting with someone, another thing entirely to do it behind someone's back in a mean-spirited or leering way.
I wouldn't place parameters on her based on an INFJ definition. She isn't just an INFJ, she has her own persona. *Sigh*

[Karl]

Yes, this would be the antithesis to INFJ in that regard. (I mean if you really considered it an expense to someone.)

Well I didn't when I got into the habit, because I never did it when I mean it, so I didn't really see it at someone's expense. Now I'm mostly doing it when I mean it, because I do see as at someone's expense, but sometimes when it's particularly funny I still say it without thinking.

[Limey]

Well I didn't when I got into the habit, because I never did it when I mean it, so I didn't really see it at someone's expense. Now I'm mostly doing it when I mean it, because I do see as at someone's expense, but sometimes when it's particularly funny I still say it without thinking.

Why make jokes at other people's expense when you have so much homegrown material to choose from.
You're like one of those hipsters that go out and tear the knee on a perfectly good pair of flannel trousers.

[fduniho]

After perusing through this thread, I have no clearer understanding of the differences in humor between NTs and NFs. Examples of NF comedy vs. NT comedy might be helpful. Also, my understanding has been that the main difference in sense of humor is between NPs and NJs, as the former all prefer Ne, and the latter all prefer Ni. In my experience, I share a more similar sense of humor with ENFPs than I do with INFJs. But my sense of humor does seem more in line with Limey, an INTJ, than with my father, an INFJ. At least I think Limey is funnier than my father ever was despite his many attempts to be funny.

[Hermione]

Best NF joke in my family. Daughter dearest was going on a trip with one of her friend's and her family. They were looking for a place in town here where the outing/picnic would be held. Took a wrong turn and the dad read the sign "No Outlet", 'darn'. Daughter responded without missing a beat.. "No outlet? Where will we plug in the blender?"

intuitives all appreciate the play on words or puns.

[at the time she was a 12 yr. old infp.]

[LongSilence]

Pretty good at that age.

But then again, you not made any better yourself since then Hermione?

[fduniho]

I was initially thinking of Jon Stewart vs. Stephen Colbert as illustrating NF vs NT, but lots of people think Colbert is an INFP, and I read in Please Understand Me that NFs are very good at playing a character, which is what Colbert does. Anyway, I'm an INTP, and I think Stephen Colbert is the funniest comedian I know of. So there might be something NT in his humor even if he is an NF, and I think it is worth contrasting with Stewart, whom I regard as an ENFP.

One quality of Stewart that I think is NF is his idealism. When he really disagrees with someone, he says so. He is crusading for integrity in politics, and he uses his humor to expose hypocrisy. In contrast, Colbert will pretend to agree with people he disagrees with, then twist their words around to expose their hypocrisy and make them look stupid. But both are reaching the same end, just by different means. So they might both be NFs.

A comedian I'm more certain is an NT is John Hodgman, who works with Stewart on the Daily Show. His comedy consists in thinking up crazy plans for solving problems and presenting them as legitimate solutions in a deadpan way. I think he may be an INTP, since his humor focuses on problem solving, and his deadpan delivery is similar to my own when I'm trying to spin a crazy theory. In contrast to Hodgman, Stewart is much more emotional in his delivery, and he is more prone to giggling at his own humor when he's trying to deliver something straight.

I also think that Monty Python was full of NTs and is very representative of NT, and perhaps even NTP, humor. The main thing that distinguishes Monty Python from the Daily Show is that it always went for the humor first and didn't have a social agenda. Monty Python humor was generally weird and absurd. I suspect NTs have more of an interest in the weird and absurd than NFs have. While NFs imagine the world they want and try to remake the world into their vision, NTs are more likely to just laugh at the absurdities between how they imagine things could be and how things are.

[fduniho]

This Monty Python video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdEMERq8MA) illustrates what strikes me as a very NT look at the subject of death.

[Pearlrose]

I don't know if other NT's do this, but i like to laugh at reality and treat the world around me as one big cosmic joke. For example at WalMart the other day I noticed how people interacted with one another and it struck me as funny. Then I saw a rat that no one else seemed to notice and I giggled at it too.