Worst Actors/Actresses

[songbird36]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=492&e=1&u=/ap/film_razzies

Let's have a forum razzie award for the worst Hollywood actor and actress. Halle Berry won the official razzie award recently (see link) for Catwoman.

My votes are:

Worst actor: Keanu Reeves
Worst actress: Jennifer Lopez

[Lee]

Worst actor: Kevin Costner

[purple13]

I've never been a Costner fan either. My brother likes him.

["InsertNameHere"]

worst actor: william shatner

[purple13]

Oh, come on now! So he's got an ego. So he's got an ego. So he's got an ego. He's Denny Crane, damn it!

["InsertNameHere"]

;P i don't care!

[Claverhouse]

Shatner wasn't bad in Loaded Weapon I.* How about the whole Barrymore Family ?




Claverhouse :ph34r:


* Bearing in mind that I've only ever watched one complete episode of Star Trek. ( No, it wasn't for a bet. )

[2hype]

I think Renee Zellweger is overrated. Keanu Reeves is bad.

[songbird36]

How about some women?

I don't like Holly Hunter much, or Jennifer Aniston.

I think Ben Affleck is overrated too.

[purple13]

I can't stand Ben Affleck.

[songbird36]

OMG I hate Ben Stiller as well..what a stupid little dweeb.

[indie]

Ashton Kutcher. :p

[Dunearhp]

Anna Nicole Smith

Alicia Silverstone

[songbird36]

I don't like Leonardo di Caprio either

[Boneca]

Ashton Kutcher is a joke, not an actor. I also seriously dislike George Clooney, although I can't really define why.

When it comes to actresses, you already know what I think about Julia Roberts. Jennifer Aniston sucks, I agree. And lets add Cameron Diaz to that list when we're at it.

[songbird36]

What do people think of Gwyneth Paltrow? I can't decide whether I like her or not.

I liked her performance in "Possession", but have found her a bit flaccid in other movies.

[Helios]

I never wanted to like Gwyneth Paltrow, but damn her if I don't now! I liked her in "The talented Mr Ripley" , and "sliding doors" was very cool! In various interview and such I was always left with a positive impression. Oddly I stopped likeing Chris Martin when he got famous and married her. But I think that is just me being a music snob, "I don't like you,after you get famous thing".....yes I know that is lame.

[Eileen]

OMG I hate Ben Stiller as well..what a stupid little dweeb.

NOOOOOOOOOO! I KILL YOU!!!!! BEN STILLER IS A HOT, FUNNY MAN!

(He's Ben Stiller in every single movie, but I LOVE HIM!)


I do second the Keanu Reeves motion, though. OMG, him in Much Ado About Nothing... so... bad... The only reason The Matrix movies were any good with him in it was that he didn't have to TALK much.

Ben Affleck is also not a good actor, but he helped write Good Will Hunting, so I give him kudos for that one.

Sometimes I like Julia Stiles, but sometimes, I'm sad to say, she's awful. Liv Tyler is pretty bad too. And Shannen Dogherty or however the hell you spell her name.

I like Gwyneth Paltrow, though.

[songbird36]

Have you seen Ben Stiller interviewed IRL?

He's so serious and boring it's tragic. He has no persona apart from his roles whatsoever.

[Boneca]

Liv Tyler is pretty bad too. Urgh, yeah. But she's in the category "actresses that only get roles because their daddies are famous", so I guess that's to be expected.

[CapnEnnui]

Actor: Keanu Reeves
Actress: Denise Richards

They have the same acting ability: saying their lines.

[2hype]

I think Denise Richards is awful, but I actually thought she was pretty good in that beauty pageant movie- although it probably wasn't much of a stretch for her to play that character.

[CapnEnnui]

I think Denise Richards is awful, but I actually thought she was pretty good in that beauty pageant movie- although it probably wasn't much of a stretch for her to play that character.

I think that was Sandra Bullock? Then again, there are plenty of beauty pagent movies.

[Shai Gar]

i think my cousin is the worst actor in the world, if you give him a part to play with lines and a personality he doesnt pretend, he forgets his lines and he acts like himself.

at least hollywood actors dont do that.

[2hype]

Drop Dead Gorgeous is the movie I was thinking of

[MasterMerk]

Have you seen Ben Stiller interviewed IRL?

He's so serious and boring it's tragic. He has no persona apart from his roles whatsoever.

Maddox is a bit lame, but I found this funny:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ben_stiller_should_star_in_every_movie

Leonardo Dicaprio was pretty good in the Aviator, so I have more respect for him now. I think Keanu Reeves is horrible and Halle Berry sucks, though.

[Helios]

Denise Richards a bottle of Champange, what was not to love?

[Claverhouse]

OK, the entire Barrymore Family might not count ( although anyone who's seen Lionel, John & Ethel in one of the films they starred in together will not readily forget the over-acting --- not that Drew is guilty of that ), but the absolute worst must be Robin Williams.

Some jewish comedy is excellent, as in the Larry Sanders Show and Seinfeld; but then there's the dark side to which Mr. Williams attached himself at birth, mawkish, repellent, sentimental...

Just like Adam Sandler.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[songbird36]

At the risk of sounding anti-Semitic I'm suspecting the vile Ben Stiller is Jewish too...

[Eileen]

[...]but the absolute worst must be Robin Williams.

Some jewish comedy is excellent, as in the Larry Sanders Show and Seinfeld; but then there's the dark side to which Mr. Williams attached himself at birth, mawkish, repellent, sentimental...

Just like Adam Sandler.



Gag, Adam Sandler.


But I really thought that Robin Williams was Episcopalian.



Songbird, you are a hater. Hater!

[Claverhouse]

He is**, but the fair Miss Paltrow is too, so she cancels him out.

Everything has good sides as well as bad, including judaism.*



Claverhouse :ph34r:


* Not that I can forgive them for writing the Old Testament.

** edit: Mr. Sandler. ( But so was Robin Williams by birth: it doesn't mean much because 50% of American actors are of jewish descent. It's not a plot, just happenstance. )

[songbird36]

Ah yes wasn't Paltrow good in "Possession"?

Loved the book too.

[songbird36]

Gag, Adam Sandler.


But I really thought that Robin Williams was Episcopalian.



Songbird, you are a hater. Hater!

Oh Eileen you are an earnest young thing...

:lol:

[Eileen]

Oh Eileen you are an earnest young thing...

:lol:

Whatever. I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG!

[songbird36]

Whatever. I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG!

Oh no - don't bring Zedo back from the grave!

LOL

[cjs55]

just say his name three times...

[songbird36]

just say his name three times...

I'll get Harry Potter to say a dissolving curse...

j/k

[Helios]

Ok maybe I missed something, but where is EZ?

[songbird36]

Ok maybe I missed something, but where is EZ?

I think he's Minnesota-ing with Boo...

**gossip gossip**

[Serotonin]

The droog will emerge any minute now, eyes gleaming.
"I gots meself some soft wildland cunt."

[Claverhouse]

And... The incantation worked !

He lives.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Napoleon]

Worst actors are:

- Jean-Claude Van Damme
- Steven Seagal (did anyone see his Out of Reach movie? ow my god that must of been the worst movie i have ever seen. If your own voice is dubbed ... I dunno anymore :) )
- Vin Diesel
- Arnold Schwarzenegger
- Chuck Norris

[Arioch]

Have you seen Ben Stiller interviewed IRL?

He's so serious and boring it's tragic. He has no persona apart from his roles whatsoever.

There's a little (hopelessly melodramatic) voice in my head thats screaming "I would rather stab my eyes out then watch a interview like that"

I think he's one of the worst actors ever. Hopelessly boring and tedious.

[Claverhouse]

Oh, and if more than one is allowed, in contrasdiction to the intention of the opening post, let's not forget the pseudo-celts: Sean Connery, Richard Harris, Richard Burton amongst them, but including all those who adopted a hearty Oirish persona > which neatly lets in John Wayne.

Women aren't included in this group since none of them ever attempted the mixture of morosity/hard fighting/heavy drinking needed to fulfil the image. As can be seen by those above it did nothing to maintain youthful good looks. Not that they had any in the first place, I would guess.

Mr. Harris reminds one exactly why the late Gonzo occasionally shot out his TV sets on a regular basis.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[songbird36]

There's a little (hopelessly melodramatic) voice in my head thats screaming "I would rather stab my eyes out then watch a interview like that"

I think he's one of the worst actors ever. Hopelessly boring and tedious.

**SB34 confers estimation points on Arioch**

[booyalab]

I think Gwyneth Paltrow is way overrated as an actress, though I'm biased since "the academy" considered her better in Shakespeare in Love than Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth (favorite actress). I think she's ok, aside from that debacle, but if she were plain and from an obscure family...she'd be in commercials.

I think Denzel Washington is way overrated as an actor. Lucky for him that he's black and good-looking.

[songbird36]

Oh, and if more than one is allowed, in contrasdiction to the intention of the opening post, let's not forget the pseudo-celts: Sean Connery, Richard Harris, Richard Burton amongst them, but including all those who adopted a hearty Oirish persona > which neatly lets in John Wayne.

Mr. Harris reminds one exactly why the late Gonzo occasionally shot out his TV sets on a regular basis.

Claverhouse :ph34r:

How could you lump Harris into this - you heretic! The man had style (if a little hammy in the process) and will never be forgotten as the inimitable Dumbledore (not to mention a wealth of classical roles), and of course King Arthur.

I suppose you'd lump Albert Finney and Peter O'Toole under this "mad Celts" umbrella? My mother trained at RADA with some of these men in the 1950's.

[Claverhouse]

but if she were plain and from an obscure family...she'd be in commercials.
I haven't noticed any plain actresses from poor backgrounds becoming famous...

[ Not that I like most of their looks, the famous, my own preferences are inclined to slight blondes with nordic looks; but I can recognise that others find them attractive ]


How could you lump Harris into this - you heretic! The man had style (if a little hammy in the process) and will never be forgotten as the inimitable Dumbledore (not to mention a wealth of classical roles), and of course King Arthur.
Harris makes me shudder. You may never have suffered under 'This Sporting Life', 'Cromwell' and 'Orca', with the divine and almost perfect Charlotte Rampling. Not even she could save that.

I think it's the combination of his dour sour looks ( I attended an RC school full of Irish... Some looked exactly the same, and not the friendly ones ), and a self-regard that knew no bounds.


I suppose you'd lump Albert Finney and Peter O'Toole under this "mad Celts" umbrella? My mother trained at RADA with some of these men in the 1950'
That doesn't confer sanctity. ( Only an exemplary life does that --- plus having friends at the Vatican ). Finney, yes; although I've only seen a couple of films --- 'Tom Jones', something else and 'Miller's Crossing', which wasn't bad. O'Toole no, because he doesn't trade on being Irish, but on being a degenerate Englishman*. Also he writes quite funnily. I wouldn't watch 'Lawrence of Arabia', but if his later films were on I might.

Playing the Irishman type doesn't mean any of these were Irish ( or Scottish, bearing in mind Connery: he may have come from Scotland, but Edinburgh rather than the Hie'lands; and he started off as an English type ) same as it was once more popular to pretend to be Irish if you arrived in NY and wanted a job.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


* I've got an Irish name myself.

[booyalab]

I haven't noticed any plain actresses from poor backgrounds becoming famous...

[ Not that I like most of their looks, the famous, my own preferences are inclined to slight blondes with nordic looks; but I can recognise that others find them attractive ]



My point was that her acting ability is not proportional to the popularity of it/her and the ease in which she receives acting roles, and everyone knows that nepotism and physical appearance are huge influences in the industry.

The obscure (not poor..since i didnt say that, though it's also true), ugly ones need spectacular talent to become famous.

Anyone can do commercials though.

[Geoff]

My point was that her acting ability is not proportional to the popularity of it/her and the ease in which she receives acting roles, and everyone knows that nepotism and physical appearance are huge influences in the industry.

The obscure (not poor..since i didnt say that, though it's also true), ugly ones need spectacular talent to become famous.

Anyone can do commercials though.

It's easier for men, because idiosyncracy and strangeness can be hollywood 'attractive' in a man, yet a woman appears to need to fulfill a traditional idea.

Double standards of course.

-Geoff

[booyalab]

It's easier for men, because idiosyncracy and strangeness can be hollywood 'attractive' in a man, yet a woman appears to need to fulfill a traditional idea.

Double standards of course.

-Geoff

that's true...

[songbird36]

I haven't noticed any plain actresses from poor backgrounds becoming famous..

** No- it doesn't happen. Looks are a requirement for fame and recognition, not just in Hollywood either, it's the same with European and Bollywood film-making. Look at Claude Berri's young lasses for example.

Harris makes me shudder. You may never have suffered under 'This Sporting Life', 'Cromwell' and 'Orca', with the divine and almost perfect Charlotte Rampling. Not even she could save that.

I think it's the combination of his dour sour looks ( I attended an RC school full of Irish... Some looked exactly the same, and not the friendly ones ), and a self-regard that knew no bounds.

** He can't help the way he looks. I can't really comment on the self-regard aspect as I don't know his off screen persona well enough


That doesn't confer sanctity. ( Only an exemplary life does that --- plus having friends at the Vatican ). Finney, yes; although I've only seen a couple of films --- 'Tom Jones', something else and 'Miller's Crossing', which wasn't bad. O'Toole no, because he doesn't trade on being Irish, but on being a degenerate Englishman*. Also he writes quite funnily. I wouldn't watch 'Lawrence of Arabia', but if his later films were on I might.

** True, classical drama training doesn't make an actor or actress beyond reproach, but in the case of Harris, Finney and O'toole they have all had very distinguished stage careers in addition to their film work, and stage is a medium in which it is nearly impossible to fake acting talent if none exists. Did you ever see "The Dresser" with Albert Finney in it? I think it had a very long season in the West End and was absolutely brilliant. I'm not sure what you have against Lawrence of Arabia, it's one of O'Toole's great roles (even if you don't approve of TE Lawrence's own life).

Playing the Irishman type doesn't mean any of these were Irish ( or Scottish, bearing in mind Connery: he may have come from Scotland, but Edinburgh rather than the Hie'lands; and he started off as an English type ) same as it was once more popular to pretend to be Irish if you arrived in NY and wanted a job.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


* I've got an Irish name myself.[/QUOTE]

** Yeah I had my suspicions you were a Mick :lol:

[Star]

I haven't noticed any plain actresses from poor backgrounds becoming famous...


Kathy Bates (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000870/bio) did, somehow.

[songbird36]

Kathy Bates is a genre actress though, not mainstream movies.

[Star]

Huh? Check out her filmography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000870/) and say that again.

[songbird36]

OK I stand corrected, I haven't seen her in anything very mainstream.

But she isn't that plain anyway is she? Let's try and think of a successful actress who is. Maybe Cate Blanchett (she's quite odd looking and certainly not conventionally beautiful).

[booyalab]

OK I stand corrected, I haven't seen her in anything very mainstream.

But she isn't that plain anyway is she? Let's try and think of a successful actress who is. Maybe Cate Blanchett (she's quite odd looking and certainly not conventionally beautiful).

I think she's beautiful in an unconventional way, sure.......but she's also a great actress.

Kathy Bates is considered a good actress too.

[songbird36]

I'm trying now to think of ugly or plain actresses who have made it big in Hollywood.

What about Whoopi Goldberg in the "Color Purple"? (although WG is better known for comic roles, in which women are allowed and even encouraged to be ugly).

[booyalab]

I'm trying now to think of ugly or plain actresses who have made it big in Hollywood.

What about Whoopi Goldberg in the "Color Purple"? (although WG is better known for comic roles, in which women are allowed and even encouraged to be ugly).

she's black.

[Star]

I'm trying now to think of ugly or plain actresses who have made it big in Hollywood.


Emma Thompson, Glenn Close, Sigourney Weaver.

(I think they're all beautiful, but not the typical starlets.)

[songbird36]

she's black.

What's that got to do with the price of fish? Halle Berry is also black (although some would argue not very) and she is beautiful and has made it on looks, not acting ability.

[songbird36]

OK here's another one - Helen Mirren. Not a Hollywood actress but a successful fim and TV actress nonetheless.

Did any of you see Peter Greenaway's "The Cook, the Thief, his Wife and Her Lover"? A very disturbing film and was regarded at the time as an allegory for the Thatcher regime in the UK. Full of violence, sadism, copriphilia etc.

[Claverhouse]

I'm not sure what you have against Lawrence of Arabia, it's one of O'Toole's great roles (even if you don't approve of TE Lawrence's own life).
Neither. I just don't like war-films.

[ Saying which, the only time I liked Connery's performance was in 'The Hill', but as that was about a glasshouse we kept our bad guys in during WWII --- in Africa --- it's not quite the same thing as 'Where Eagles Poop' or whatever. ]


** Yeah I had my suspicions you were a Mick :lol:
I'm not. Just a mixture of various tribes...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

What's that got to do with the price of fish? Halle Berry is also black (although some would argue not very) and she is beautiful and has made it on looks, not acting ability.

Ok, in the 80s-90s in Hollywood and American culture..period.,there was a major emphasis on retribution. That's why Whoopi Goldberg's race is more important than her talent. The same thing is the case with Denzel Washington although he's still famous because he's good-looking. Halle Berry is mostly famous because she's good-looking.

[songbird36]

Yes also they had to find a character which looked (and could act) like Alice Walker's grandmother (or whoever the relative was in that film).

WG can act. I think that's why she was chosen, not *because* she was black. The film propelled her fairly quickly to stardom.

[booyalab]

Yes also they had to find a character which looked (and could act) like Alice Walker's grandmother (or whoever the relative was in that film).

WG can act. I think that's why she was chosen, not *because* she was black. The film propelled her fairly quickly to stardom.

I didnt say she cant act. In fact, I didnt say anything about her talent whatsoever. Did you ever think about the reason they made the movie/ subtle racial quotas in movies/ pop culture emphasis on some types of movies over others/ and most importantly of all........ demand for types of roles versus the supply for said roles

By the way, there are many actors who have only ONE notable role, EVER, in their entire career and probably 99% of them cant rely on that one stint and/or on a series of subsequent mediocre stints and sustain the type of popularity WG has.

[songbird36]

Yes of course the movie was made for those reasons. And other films such as "Philadelphia" and "Forrest Gump" and whatever that one was called about the mentally ill pianist. They're all pushing a bandwagon.

We don't want to conflate two issues here. The issue under debate is whether actresses become famous based more on their looks than ability. I was trying to identify a few odd exceptions (and they certainly exist) but the principle still remains. You only have to look at old movies from the "glamour" era to realise that's the case (actresses such as Audrey Hepburn, Deborah Kerr, Liz Taylor, Rita Hayworth, and so on)

[snarled]

Anyone remember Rick Moranis?

[MacGuffin]

Ok, in the 80s-90s in Hollywood and American culture..period.,there was a major emphasis on retribution. That's why Whoopi Goldberg's race is more important than her talent. The same thing is the case with Denzel Washington although he's still famous because he's good-looking.
Denzel Washington?!? Have we gone mad in here?

[songbird36]

Did I ever mention "From Here to Eternity" is my favourite movie of all time?

It's not very deep and meaningful but *damn* it's got style. It also has Montgomery Clift in it, who comes very close to being my favourite movie actor of all time..

:lol:

[booyalab]

Yes of course the movie was made for those reasons. And other films such as "Philadelphia" and "Forrest Gump" and whatever that one was called about the mentally ill pianist. They're all pushing a bandwagon.

We don't want to conflate two issues here. The issue under debate is whether actresses become famous based more on their looks than ability. I was trying to identify a few odd exceptions (and they certainly exist) but the principle still remains. You only have to look at old movies from the "glamour" era to realise that's the case (actresses such as Audrey Hepburn, Deborah Kerr, Liz Taylor, Rita Hayworth, and so on)

Stop being such a J. ;)

I started this issue, I'll let you know when I need you to redefine it for me.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=70922&postcount=48
^ 2 other factors mentioned besides looks

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=70931&postcount=50
^ misconstrued my 'obscurity' factor as 'poor'...or else just added it on....now we have a total of 5 factors

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=70950&postcount=54
^ you and you alone decided to restrict the issue to 'looks'


http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=70978&postcount=60
^ when you posted this I guess I should have known you didnt want to know any reasons for why it might be the case outside of the restrictions you arbitrated on the issue (started by me)

[booyalab]

Denzel Washington?!? Have we gone mad in here?

I know most people tend to decide someone's a good actor based on what they've been told. I dont. Cry me a river.

[songbird36]

Stop being such a J. ;)

I started this issue, I'll let you know when I need you to redefine it for me.



I'm not arbitrarily confining the issue to looks. All I'm saying is we can't reach a sensible consensus on the "looks" issue by conflating that issue with a separate issue in respect of which the arguments and outcome are quite different.

I'm a lawyer..so sue me for being logical...

[booyalab]

I'm not arbitrarily confining the issue to looks. All I'm saying is we can't reach a sensible consensus on the "looks" issue by conflating that issue with a separate issue in respect of which the arguments and outcome are quite different.

I'm a lawyer..so sue me for being logical...


Assuming..unbeknownst to you.. that WG has become famous for Reason A,
it is absurd to try to determine which of 2 Reasons, B or C, was behind her fame.


Good looking actresses with no talent rose to fame on looks
Therefore an ugly actress must have risen to fame on her talent

how the hell is that logical? That is exactly what you're doing since you refused to consider any other factors besides talent in WG's popularity.

[songbird36]

Well that's a little abrasive. I did not say that all ugly actresses have risen to fame on their talent, I am merely saying that I think WG did.

She doesn't have "inside" connections that I'm aware of that would provide some sort of alternative explanation.

[booyalab]

Well that's a little abrasive. I did not say that all ugly actresses have risen to fame on their talent, I am merely saying that I think WG did.

She doesn't have "inside" connections that I'm aware of that would provide some sort of alternative explanation.

What? I thought this was about looks vs ability!

Well now that you've admitted one other factor, for a total of 3, there might be hope for you yet.


http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=70989&postcount=63
this ^
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=71010&postcount=69
and this^

led me to think that you think there are 2 factors that cause women to become famous actors and only 2

which would lead you to dismiss any other suggested factor as totally irrelevant to speculation towards the cause behind the fame of one who clearly didnt have one of the factors going for her.

[Geoff]

We are trying to analyse a science behind famous hollywood actresses? There are so many factors (and that is without mentioning the "casting couch").

Would be easier to find the answer to life the universe and everything.

Simply put, people are fickle, and what is fresh sells, women are more often objectified than men in traditional hollywood, therefore fresh 'meat' is needed. And when the public is perceived as bored, out with the old and in with the new.

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Boo I don't think you're reading my posts or thinking about my arguments very carefully.

I have been entirely consistent all along that I think women (black included such as Halle Berry) generally make it on looks.

However there are exceptions, and I have outlined a few of these.

[MacGuffin]

I know most people tend to decide someone's a good actor based on what they've been told. I dont. Cry me a river.
*begins crying*

Dammit, this is going to ruin my mask!

[booyalab]

Boo I don't think you're reading my posts or thinking about my arguments very carefully.

I have been entirely consistent all along that I think women (black included such as Halle Berry) generally make it on looks.

However there are exceptions, and I have outlined a few of these.

yeah you've been saying this over and over again.

For one of your exceptions, I told you why I thought she became famous.

OBVIOUSLY, if "the issue" (which is, btw, only your issue ) was only about finding exceptions for the tendency of actresses to become famous on their good looks...wtf is it to you whether I postulate as to the reason for the exceptions fame, unless you've already decided that there can be no other factors besides talent...which would make my suggestion absurd...and that is why you would say it is absurd......unless you want to take that back..

[booyalab]

*begins crying*

Dammit, this is going to ruin my mask!

use the force.....as a kleenex

[songbird36]

yeah you've been saying this over and over again.

For one of your exceptions, I told you why I thought she became famous.

OBVIOUSLY, if "the issue" (which is, btw, only your issue ) was only about finding exceptions for the tendency of actresses to become famous on their good looks...wtf is it to you whether I postulate as to the reason for the exceptions fame, unless you've already decided that there can be no other factors besides talent...which would make my suggestion absurd...and that is why you would say it is absurd......unless you want to take that back..

OK I can't make sense of this at all. Must be a "J" thing. Come back to me when you've stopped trying to put words in my mouth..

:lol:

[mgb]

Angelina Jolie (succckkksss *in singing voice*)

Her movies are crap and not even worth going to. In fact, I can't remember the last time she made a worthwhile movie. My favorite was the shark roaring in Tomb Raider 2.

She is all lips and tits. She can't act.

[booyalab]

OK I can't make sense of this at all. Must be a "J" thing. Come back to me when you've stopped trying to put words in my mouth..

:lol:



she's black.


what's that got to do with the price of fish?
Since you dont know what you meant I'll tell you.

Black has nothing to do with the price of fish, by which you meant black can't be remotely considered as a factor in why she became popular.

You seemed bewildered at the mere suggestion, because there are only a couple possible factors in your mind. So you dont even have to think about any others before you immediately dismiss them, since you "know" all of the possible factors already.

[Geoff]

Angelina Jolie (succckkksss *in singing voice*)

Her movies are crap and not even worth going to. In fact, I can't remember the last time she made a worthwhile movie. My favorite was the shark roaring in Tomb Raider 2.

She is all lips and tits. She can't act.

All lip and tits and can't act. Just *amazing* that she succeeded in Hollywood...

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Since you dont know what you meant I'll tell you.

Black has nothing to do with the price of fish, by which you meant black can't be remotely considered as a factor in why she became popular.

You seemed bewildered at the mere suggestion, because there are only a couple possible factors in your mind. So you dont even have to think about any others before you immediately dismiss them, since you "know" all of the possible factors already.

I'm just not sure why you brought "black" into the argument about looks.

Sure "black" might be a reason (introduce more minorities into films etc) but it's not a reason connected with looks.

Now I'll go and take some Prozac :lol:

[booyalab]

I'm just not sure why you brought "black" into the argument about looks.

Sure "black" might be a reason (introduce more minorities into films etc) but it's not a reason connected with looks.

Now I'll go and take some Prozac :lol:

1. It wasn't an argument, you were mostly talking to yourself

2. I wasn't making a reason connected with looks. Quite obviously since it was an exception of the looks factor. Like I said before, YOU turned it into all about looks. I was still in the mindset of when I had last posted- factors besides talent that make one famous in hollywood.


edit: another issue I see here is that you haven't yet come to terms with the fact that us INTPs dont like someone dictating the direction of a conversation.

[songbird36]

I'm not sure why you are antagonizing me, I have no desire to get into a stoush with you on this or any other topic.

On a more constructive note, let's unpack some of these "other" factors. Possible contenders other than looks are:

(1) Talent (innate or perceived);
(2) Family or other social connections (parent who was an actor, etc)
(3) Right place, right time, or right "style" for the time
(4) Minorities

[booyalab]

I'm not sure why you are antagonizing me, I have no desire to get into a stoush with you on this or any other topic.

On a more constructive note, let's unpack some of these "other" factors. Possible contenders other than looks are:

(1) Talent (innate or perceived);
(2) Family or other social connections (parent who was an actor, etc)
(3) Right place, right time, or right "style" for the time
(4) Minorities

whatever gets the job done (re: antagonizing you)

thanks, btw

[Sir Isaac Lime]

Dr. Phill. Not an actor, but close enough.

[booyalab]

:lol: shouldnt that go in the 'worst human being' thread? oh wait there isnt one.

[Sir Isaac Lime]

:lol: shouldnt that go in the 'worst human being' thread? oh wait there isnt one.

Honestly, I don't know whether to hate or envy him. As far as exploiting human gullibility goes his kung-fu is greater then mine.

Now John Edwards on the other hand is just a cocksucker.

[booyalab]

Honestly, I don't know whether to hate or envy him. As far as exploiting human gullibility goes his kung-fu is greater then mine.

Now John Edwards on the other hand is just a cocksucker.

I actually liked Dr Phil when he was just on the oprah show (yes, I'd occasionally watch it just for him) ...and I like how he doesn't take himself seriously, as I've seen him on talk show interviews and he can make fun of himself and takes jabs in stride. But now I hate his stupid middle-middle-aged-ladies-with-no-lives fans and his style just gets irritating as hell.

agreed@John Edwards

Actually, you could probably argue that it takes a very 'special' personality to be on daytime television period.

[PonderBee]

Least favorite actor - Patrick Swayze

Least favorite actress - Madonna

Homely/Plain actresses (imo) that have made it big on talent
(no points off for spelling):
Maggie Smith, Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, Renee Zellweger, Gwyneth Paltrow, Hillary Swank, Katherine Hepburn .... c'mon there are several more. Dolled up and draped in just the right fashion these ladies have been made to appear attractive - however, on close inspection I don't believe that any of these faces ever eclipsed the average young lady out there.

[songbird36]

Yes Patrick Swayze is positively vile.

And I hate Kurt Russell too for similar reasons... (the dimple)

:lol:

[purple13]

okay, I just saw "Along came Polly", and thought Ben Stiller was pretty funny.

[nihilist]

There are too many actors and actresses who can't act. Here's one who overacts and is much too overrated both from the classes and masses.

Al Pacino

[Last Song]

The list could go on far too long. How about a thread about actors/actresses we consider to be good? Or is it far easier to show a negative opinion of others than a positive one? Meh.

[songbird36]

You start one.

[Last Song]

No. You start one. (:

[songbird36]

Why have you got Zedo's avatar?

[PonderBee]

There are too many actors and actresses who can't act. Here's one who overacts and is much too overrated both from the classes and masses.

Al Pacino
Al Pacino was good as a young actor. Today Pacino's delivery feels like a flat echo of the promise of yesterday - not to mention the freakish, frankenstein face thanks to hair replacement and bad plastic surgery.

[gahjr2000]

Ben Affleck, hands down. His acting skills are passable, but you never buy that Ben is the character he's playing. It's always Ben Affleck obviously playing a character, never "Wow, I really believed Ben Affleck was that character"

[songbird36]

Yeah he's a pretender all right.

Hollywood brat packer..