Discounting millions of people?

[bergenski]

How can they just bypass Michigan and Florida in the primaries? Isn't that, like, ridiculous to ignore the say of millions of people?

[MacGuffin]

Michigan and Florida bypassed themselves.

[outmywindow]

Even though I know what you're talking about, I'm going to facetiously underline the vagueness of the OP/title and answer with the following:

Yeah, it does seem kind of weird that Florida and Michigan have been put on sale despite their wishes. I mean, if Floridians say they're worth $350.00 a head, if not more, how dare they try and sell them for $275.00?!? I know the economy's bad and all, but this is just ridiculous.

[V Profane]

I'm disappointed by the lack of bargains in this thread.

[Titania]

Michigan and Florida bypassed themselves.Exactly.

[Ferrus]

From what I hear there could be law suits over it.

[Titania]

From what I hear there could be law suits over it.This is America. I could sue you for saying that.

[Methofelis]

We Floridians get no respect.

... Not that we deserve it after what we did a few years ago. :stupid:

But, from CBS:



Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm and Florida Governor Charlie Crist say it's "reprehensible" the voices of 5.2 million people who voted in the two primaries would be silenced.

Granholm, along with top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair, are now saying they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. That's a change from their previous insistence that the primaries their states held in January should determine how their delegates are allocated.

CBS News senior political correspondent Jeff Greenfield reported Wednesday that the Clinton campaign was considering asking for "re-dos" in the two states.

Clinton won both contests, but the results were meaningless because the elections violated national party rules.

The Democratic National Committee stripped both states of all delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates - including Clinton and rival Barack Obama - agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

"A do-over could change the whole complexion of this race," Greenfield said.

So who knows yet.

[C.J.Woolf]

The Michigan and Florida Democratic Parties moved their primaries up to get more of a say in a campaign that is almost always decided early, and what happens? A long, drawn-out primary campaign where the late states have a say. Oh, the irony.

If there is a do-over, I expect Obama to do well. His campaign is practicing Howard Dean's 50-state strategy and it's good at building local organizations.

[nfinityi]

We Floridians get no respect.

... Not that we deserve it after what we did a few years ago.
Damn straight, the only things you can be trusted to produce anymore are mixed drinks and Mickey Mouse, get used to it.

[immortalmack]

How can they just bypass Michigan and Florida in the primaries? Isn't that, like, ridiculous to ignore the say of millions of people?

They're gonna vote democratic anyway so it doesnt matter

[Oso Mocoso]

We Floridians get no respect.

Because it's nothing but wrinkly old people down there, Mickey Mouse, you, and Dexter Morgan. There used to be little Elian Gonzales too, but the police sent him away for being a Communist.

[Titania]

If there is a do-over, I expect Obama to do well.Florida is old people and latinos. Michigan is like Ohio, but with more unions.

They'd be tied at best.

[Karl]

Why is it that the government has to get involved with political parties putting forth nominations? Wait, I forgot, the democratic and republican parties are essentially instruments of the government...

Seriously, democrats should decide this themselves, and people who aren't in the democratic party shouldn't care.

[Titania]

There may be a caucus in Michigan. (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/06/breaking-michigan-caucus-likely-says-dnc-rules-committee-member.aspx)

[bergenski]

Florida is old people
That makes me think of a joke Leno just had..."There was a power outage in Florida yesterday at 2:00 in the afternoon...wouldn't you know it, right in the middle of dinnertime for a lot of people..."

[Ponderous]

They're gonna vote democratic anyway so it doesnt matter
Actually, both sides of the aisle are sanctioned in these states.


Why is it that the government has to get involved with political parties putting forth nominations?
These decisions are made by the parties.
Democrat decision (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D-Alloc.phtml):

On 5 October 2007, the DNC determined that the date of Florida's 29 January 2008 primary violates party rules and has decided to strip the state of its entire delegation.

On 1 December 2007, the DNC determined that the date of Michigans's 15 January 2008 primary violates party rules and has decided to strip the state of its entire delegation.
Republican decision (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-Alloc.phtml):

On 8 November 2007, the Republican National Committee voted 121 to 9 to sanction 5 states for beginning their Presidential Nominating Process prior to 5 February 2008 in violation of Party Rule 16. Florida, New Hampshire, Michigan, South Carolina, and Wyoming will each lose half of their delegates to the National Convention.
More here. (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/) Lots more. I love that site.

[V Profane]

Florida is old people and latinos.

And Scientologists.

[Karl]

There's also cubans and a few spaniards...

[MacGuffin]

There is plenty of white trash in Florida.

Ask Rajah. She's one of them.

[Rajah]

There is plenty of white trash in Florida.

Ask Rajah. She's one of them.I WILL STAB YOU.


As soon as I get back from the Wal-Mart.

[MacGuffin]

I WILL STAB YOU.


As soon as I get back from the Wal-Mart.
If you got your knife at Target it wouldn't be dull already.

[C.J.Woolf]

Florida is old people and latinos. Michigan is like Ohio, but with more unions.

They'd be tied at best.
As it stands, tied is good enough for Obama.


There may be a caucus in Michigan. (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/06/breaking-michigan-caucus-likely-says-dnc-rules-committee-member.aspx)
Even better for him.

[Xenophon]

As a Michigan resident, I would be extremely pissed if they somehow seated the delegation elected at our primary. I am an Obama supporter, but I refused to go through the trouble of playing their stupid game just so that I could vote "uncommited". Using the results from a fraudulent election is worse than having no delegation at all.

[Limey]

Florida rightly continues to be the only state in the union with it's own tag on Fark because of the sheer volume of ass-hattery that takes place in the flacid penis state.
I'm hoping to get a refund for the five years I spent living there.

[bergenski]

Florida rightly continues to be the only state in the union with it's own tag on Fark because of the sheer volume of ass-hattery that takes place in the flacid penis state.
I'm hoping to get a refund for the five years I spent living there.
Why do you not like it so much?

[Limey]

Why do you not like it so much?

The uneducated, unwashed masses, rubbing shoulders with the stinking rich, both sides often morally bankrupt. Life is cheap[er] in south Florida and corruption is rife. They're also mostly to blame for Gore losing the ticket, (despite winning more of the popular vote).

[bergenski]

The uneducated, unwashed masses, rubbing shoulders with the stinking rich, both sides often morally bankrupt. Life is cheap[er] in south Florida and corruption is rife. They're also mostly to blame for Gore losing the ticket, (despite winning more of the popular vote).
Well, at least you have the weather.