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booyalab
28 Feb 2005, 07:44 PM
This was inspired by the discussion in Shai Gar's capitalism plug-pulling thread.

I read an interesting op-ed piece in the Business section of the St Paul Pioneer Press on Sunday.




Leave Marx's economic labels in past

EDWARD LOTTERMAN


People should stop using the word "capitalism." It is a poorly defined, much misunderstood word and it causes more problems than it solves.

Karl Marx coined the term 150 years ago. He apparently had a clear idea of what he meant. But Marxists' use of the word "capitalism" always carried more freight than was implied by non-Marxists' use of the word. This caused confusion.

Nevertheless, there was enough of a consensus on the meanings of the words "communism" and "capitalism." Communism implied an economy in which government owned land, factories and other facilities, and economic decisions were made by central planning. Capitalism meant a system in which most productive resources were privately owned and most resources allocated by market forces.

Communism collapsed 15 years ago. While China still claims the title of "communist," the only regimes following the old model are North Korea and Cuba, both of trifling importance in the world economy.

We need to recognize that "capitalism" doesn't exist anymore, either.

We used to classify economies along two axes — public vs. private ownership and market vs. centrally planned resource allocation. No nation in the world has pure private ownership and comprehensive market allocation. New Zealand comes close, but even in that nation the government provides many services.

With the exception of eccentric regimes like North Korea, no nation has complete public ownership and central planning. China still has a huge state sector, particularly in older industries, but private property is widespread and market forces play a major role.

Everything in between falls into what some economists call "mixed market economies." Much property is in private hands, but governments own important assets. Market forces are important, but government also makes important economic decisions.

No two countries are at exactly the same place on this two-dimensional map. France's government plays a bigger role in the economy than Japan's does. Venezuela has more government control, while Chile depends more on economic forces.

Shoehorning countries into arbitrary boxes labeled "capitalist" or "socialist" or even "patrimonial mercantilist" doesn't really aid discussion very much. Yes, Sweden is more "socialistic" than Switzerland. Yes, the United States may be more "capitalistic" than Germany. But the labels obscure more than they reveal.

What we need to talk about are the specific goods and services that government provides and how they are provided. We need to talk about the specific ways that governments regulate resource allocation and ways that they do not. We need to talk about the specific composition of social safety nets or provisions of transfer payments. Talk about what works and what doesn't, and about the effects and side effects of different policies. Don't waste time on archaic labels.


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St. Paul economist and writer Edward Lotterman can be reached at elotterman@ pioneerpress.com.

songbird36
28 Feb 2005, 08:52 PM
Well that's quite an incisive article.

The situation in NZ he's referring to is that we went through a politically-motived extensive privatization process in the 1980's under Roger Douglas (Finance Minister of the then Labour Government). The phrase coined for this was "Rogernomics".

Government held postal services, railways, electricity suppliers and networks, and shipping and freight services, were all sold into private ownership (mostly foreign ownership) in the name of economic progress. It was considered that no Government could possibly provide services as efficiently and cost-effectively as private enterprise.

Since then the ethos has been proven wrong at every turn, as private multi-national conglomerates have ratcheted monopoly or duopoly prices up, pared core services down to the bare minimum and duped customers into thinking they are getting value for money (through misleading marketing practices and other disingenuous behaviour).

We now have a Commerce Commission and Securities Commission that are kept in business around the clock due to all this deceptive nonsense.

Shai Gar
28 Feb 2005, 09:32 PM
heh.

Lee
7 Apr 2005, 11:18 PM
I have always been uncomfortable with all labelling, this is especially true of the lables applied in politics. I only ever use them out of laziness, if possible it is always best to simply explain your position properly.

More often than not such terms simply polarise groups and encourage an us and them mentality, such are the limitations of language and the amount of time that is needed to express an idea thoroughly, especially in an era of soundbites and 1 minute news stories.

Capatilism and Socialism can never exist in a pure form.

coffeezombie
7 Apr 2005, 11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with using the word "capitalistic," still, as one in which the free market tends to be used much more to steer the economic system compared to government intervention.

MaroonBells
11 Apr 2005, 08:32 PM
I agree with CZ that there is much use in it. I am interested though by Lee's remark that you are "uncomfortable with all labelling". How does that relate to the remark often made about Ti's (as you are INTP) that we have an "internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles"?

I do like LOTTERMAN's request for a focus on the issues, instead of discussing categories for its own sake. An area where less gov control is welcomed - in my opinion - is freedom of choice and marriage issues. More gov support (financial benefits/ grants) would be good for scientific research in fringe fields outside biotech and security-related fields.

kuranes
11 Apr 2005, 08:52 PM
I read the article and agree that there is a great deal of clunkiness about much of our current terminologies. K