BlackMage's Magical INTPc Type Perspective! (minus goats)

[BlackMage]

First off; don't be a baby. I'm not meaning to hurt anyone's feelings! I have been analyzing and observing people for a rather long time and truth and clarity are rather important to me. Here I will be offering my type perspective for certain people on the boards; using "examples" and explaining to the best of my ability how I came to these conclusions.

I have noticed there is a lot of misconception in type on the boards; and I do not believe this is at the fault of the user; as INTPs are often over-generalized and being such a small percentage of the population (I believe much less than projected figures) are rather hard to spot. This is not personal what-so-ever; and I hope that this will bring a greater understanding to everyone in understanding of the INTP.

[BlackMage]

MacGuffin "played dumb" when I inferred that he may be an ENFJ and not an INTP like he claims in this thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=28775).

I thought about going with these things to him personally before posting but I see that he has called out other people on the board as being feelers; which to me just clarifies my speculations of his type. Take a look yourself; (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=28289) I do not see his motivations for posting this besides public humiliation. This post does not appear to be constructive; it appears as if it is a move to elicit higher social control.


I believe he is not an INTP; but an ENFJ. MacGuffin definitely has quite a presence on this message board. He is in an Administrator position which would be a rather difficult position for an INTP to keep; we get distracted easily; and follow our interests around.

For an ENFJ; being a board administrator would be a very rewarding job. ENFJ?s are very quick on their feet; and can use their functions to draw conclusions on the correct behavior in any given people situation. ENFJs are usually found in the center of a social circle; which type of group of social circle greatly varies. My grandma is an ENFJ and the center of her circle at her church. This would make it possible for the ENFJ to look more like an INTP; than an actual INTP.

Direct your attention; to a recent post (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=4187):

Academic career? Fucked that up (You would assume than an ENFJ; would easily be able to succeed in school but that is not exactly the case. Extroversion has the ENFJ wrapped up in a world of people possibilities and the playful, whimsical nature of the NF together cause the ENFJ to have a possibility of being sloppier than other types or less consistent. You could say the xNFJ often has qualities which intersect with perceiving or could be confused as a Perceiving preference. There are many other factors involved; such as spontaneity and the unique energy which ENFJ?s hold.

Another PowerMad Admin & Ronin Attorney {Flickr photos LJ blog}
I-100% N-56% T-33% P-89% || 5w4-sp/sx/so || I'm not that social, just a good drinker.

Introversion 100%; interesting....

Regarding his interests in Spirits: Drinking would give MacGuffin a great out; for him to reveal his true personality. The manner in which he enjoys drinking shows me that he is using it as an excuse to come out as the very interesting and people focused person that he is. From my perspective as an INTP; drinking does not provide social lubrication. It bashes up my Ne; and cripples my Ti. Then the next day I am forced to go over every possibility of the reactions involved with my misguided behavior. I worry about everything that could have gone wrong; every miscommunication (this is amplified by anxiety) but drinking heavily does not occur to me as a social activity for an INTP. It does make a great lubricant for sexual relations which can be rather stressful; or a sleep aid to turn off the mind.

[mgb]

This is going to be really exciting. I can feel it already.

[MacGuffin]

This is going to be really exciting. I can feel it already.
But I'm bored already.

[BlackMage]

But I'm bored already.

Yeah; ENFJ's never did like interpersonal analysis

[Zero Angel]

This is going to be really exciting. I can feel it already.
Thats because your a feeler. :mellow:

[kuranes]

:popcorn:

:pornstar:

[MacGuffin]

Yeah; ENFJ's never did like interpersonal analysis
*whew*

Thank God I never started an 1800+ post blog thread.

[mgb]

But I'm bored already.

Wait until she does more people. I hope I'm next. Or you're just "playing dumb".

[Titania]

Meh, I'm not gonna bite either. That's the worst we could do to him.

Shuuuun! Shun!

[Rajah]

I've met MacGuffin. There's no way in hell he's an ENFJ.



One star.

[outmywindow]

So, that whole post analyzing MacGuffin boils down to "MacGuffin's just like my grandma" in my mind.

I laughed.

And yeah, I really can't wait to read more of these.

[MacGuffin]

I've met MacGuffin. There's no way in hell he's an ENFJ.



One star.


So, that whole post analyzing MacGuffin boils down to "MacGuffin's just like my grandma" in my mind.

I laughed.

And yeah, I really can't wait to read more of these.

I gots to be me!

:cry:

[Titania]

Hey guys, she posted a pic and it's of a hot chick in a wig. This changes EVERYTHING.

[BlackMage]

I've met MacGuffin. There's no way in hell he's an ENFJ.



One star.

Interesting; so you are telling me I should take the fact that you met him as proof?

He sent his friends in here to protect him immediately; heh; I have seen that happen MANY times with ENFJs on message boards. I'm starting to wonder if FARK.com actually started banning people and maybe they decided to come over here. Fripping Away

I will ask you kindly to provide some proof; as well as your basis for your observations. ENFJ's are very charming and the fact you are SO sure makes me wonder; how could you be so sure? Most INTPs do not know they are INTPs themselves; let alone can others point them out.

[Titania]

Uuuuh, he has a +5 medallion of INTPness. Thread over, owned.

[Rajah]

Interesting; so you are telling me I should take the fact that you met him as proof?

He sent his friends in here to protect him immediately; heh; I have seen that happen MANY times with ENFJs on message boards. I'm starting to wonder if FARK.com actually started banning people and maybe they decided to come over here. Fripping Away

I will ask you kindly to provide some proof; as well as your basis for your observations. ENFJ's are very charming and the fact you are SO sure makes me wonder; how could you be so sure? Most INTPs do not know they are INTPs themselves; let alone can others point them out.Kindly ask for whatever you want. I'm just telling you you're wrong, about his type and about him "sending" people here to protect him. You're free to disagree with me on any account, though.

Oh, I have a better idea. I totally think you should meet MacGuffin so you can form an impression in person. I think it would be excellent.

How can I help arrange this meeting?

[BlackMage]

Uuuuh, he has a +5 medallion of INTPness. Thread over, owned.

Oh no :(

INTP CENTRAL HAS TURNED INTO FARK.COM

[Titania]

Thanks, user with 8 posts who'll be banned in 2 weeks. Your input is appreciated.

[outmywindow]

Oh no :(

INTP CENTRAL HAS TURNED INTO FARK.COM
Oh no :(

BLACKMAGE HAS TURNED INTO AN AUTHORITY ON PEOPLE SHE'S BEEN AROUND FOR ALL OF THREE SECONDS

[BlackMage]

Oh no :(

BLACKMAGE HAS TURNED INTO AN AUTHORITY ON PEOPLE SHE'S BEEN AROUND FOR ALL OF THREE SECONDS

I've actually read through your posts several times to try and type you over the last year; so I believe you would indeed be a good candidate for my next perspective on typing.

[mgb]

One star.

Are you crazy? Don't you see the potential here?

[Titania]

So you're going through the list of mods because the mods are much more hesitant to ban people directly trolling the mods. This is very subtle and nobody will see through this.

[Titania]

Are you crazy? Don't you see the potential here?She does, it's just her mess to clean up.

[outmywindow]

I've actually read through your posts several times to try and type you over the last year; so I believe you would indeed be a good candidate for my next perspective on typing.
Wow, you've been watching me for a year? That's kind of creepy.

And when you say you've "read through [my] posts several times," do you mean all of them? That's like 15,000 individual reads...

[BlackMage]

She does, it's just her mess to clean up.


Thanks, user with 8 posts who'll be banned in 2 weeks. Your input is appreciated.


So you're going through the list of mods because the mods are much more hesitant to ban people directly trolling the mods. This is very subtle and nobody will see through this.

This is trolling; it has nothing to do with the thread you are personally attacking me. Trolls always seem to accuse others of trolling it seems. If you would like to start a thread about me and all the ways I suck I will ask you kindly to do so; but not to muck up this thread with off topic stuff totally derailing it. Give it a chance instead of instantly judging me and you might actually learn something. You seem very defensive.

If you would search my posts you would see that the reason I started with "a mod" is not because of what he is; but because he asked why I called him an ENFJ. I am providing clarification; I have wanted to start a thread like this for a while; this was a push to get my started. It would be beneficial to do some research before being impulsive and jumping to conclusions.


Wow, you've been watching me for a year? That's kind of creepy.

You post a lot; I have been watching the boards for a year... but take it as you will; even if you must flatter yourself.

[outmywindow]

You post a lot; I have been watching the boards for a year... but take it as you will; even if you must flatter yourself.
I wasn't trying to flatter myself, I was just pointing out that way you phrased your study of my posts, it seemed a bit ...strangely thorough, especially considering that you've never made your presence known before today.

Oh, and this thread reminds me of a quote from Life of Brian:

Brian: "I'm NOT the messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the messiah, do you understand? Honestly!"
Follower: "Only the true messiah denies his divinity."
Brian: "What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I AM the messiah."
Follower: "He is! He IS the messiah!"

[V Profane]

Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime...

[mgb]

I wasn't trying to flatter myself, I was just pointing out that way you phrased your study of my posts, it seemed a bit ...strangely thorough, especially considering that you've never made your presence known before today.

Oh, and this thread reminds me of a quote from Life of Brian:

Brian: "I'm NOT the messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the messiah, do you understand? Honestly!"
Follower: "Only the true messiah denies his divinity."
Brian: "What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I AM the messiah."
Follower: "He is! He IS the messiah!"

*elbows outmywindow out of the way*

I'm next.

[outmywindow]

*elbows outmywindow out of the way*

I'm next.
Go for it.

[Limey]

I just ambled into the set of Fear and loathing in las vegas.
Damn those bats!
I'm going to bed.

[fripping]

The kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle 60's was a very special time and place to be a part of. But no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive, in that corner of time in the world…

[Rajah]

BlackMage:

I don't care what you type anybody on this forum. I don't care if you type only mods, or the whole of INTPc; if you go alphabetically, or by most to least-liked. Whatever. Enjoy yourself. But I'll kindly (you like this word) remind you to refrain from incorporating information posted in blogs in your analysis. Blogs and personal threads are not publicly-viewable. So before you get this show on the road, I figured you needed a gentle, yet direct, reminder.

[V Profane]

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of 'history' it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time; and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

[BlackMage]

*elbows outmywindow out of the way*

I'm next.

The boards are way to slow to be able to check out your previous posts; do you have MSN? That might be much more efficient.

[V Profane]

The boards are way to slow to be able to check out your previous posts; do you have MSN? That might be much more efficient.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=29087

Insert coins to continue.

[BlackMage]

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=29087

Insert coins to continue.

Thanks for pointing that out! Threw in :5bux:

[Rhu]

BlackMage:

I don't care what you type anybody on this forum. I don't care if you type only mods, or the whole of INTPc; if you go alphabetically, or by most to least-liked. Whatever. Enjoy yourself. But I'll kindly (you like this word) remind you to refrain from incorporating information posted in blogs in your analysis. Blogs and personal threads are not publicly-viewable. So before you get this show on the road, I figured you needed a gentle, yet direct, reminder.
We could just move this to the Personal Threads subforum. Or Purgatory.

Not that I actually expect any worthwhile analysis or discussion, regardless of location.

[fripping]

Holy Jesus. What are these goddamn animals? Huh! Huh! Huh! Fucking pigs.

[outmywindow]

Fripping, did you take whatever [from space] was tripping on, or are you just posting in the wrong thread? I'm very very confused.

edit: never mind, I got it.

[Rajah]

We could just move this to the Personal Threads subforum. Or Purgatory.

Not that I actually expect any worthwhile analysis or discussion, regardless of location.I know we could. But I'm also skittish of having this guy/girl farm personal threads for public analysis. Just... ew, and no.

[Rhu]

I know we could. But I'm also skittish of having this guy/girl farm personal threads for public analysis. Just... ew, and no.
They're there to be farmed for information! You have nothing to fear, Rajah, except for something yummy in your tummy.

And... is analysis of a blog in an equally restrictive subforum really somehow more public than the blog itself?

[Madrigal]

Just when you think they've thought up all the marketing gimmicks possible, an omniscient n00b offers us random personality profiles free of charge.

Or maybe we're seeing the seven signs of forum apocalypse...

[Rajah]

They're there to be farmed for information! You have nothing to fear, Rajah, except for something yummy in your tummy.

And... is analysis of a blog in an equally restrictive subforum really somehow more public than the blog itself?
Yes.

Plus, I think it could stifle blogging altogether. Yes, people can always critique you in your blog, but there's this unspoken understanding that blogs are personal. You can kick someone out of your blog; you can restrict what's done in your blog to some extent. And the community silently supports that idea. Even though blogs are viewable to members, there's this idea that it's a place to get some support.

So... yeah.

And I will never, ever, ever! fear Yo Gabba Gabba. Word.

[V Profane]

edit: never mind, I got it.

Look, there's two women fucking a polar bear!

[BlackMage]

Just when you think they've thought up all the marketing gimmicks possible, an omniscient n00b offers us random personality profiles free of charge.

Or maybe we're seeing the seven signs of forum apocalypse...

Ha. Omniscient? Hardly!

I'm just an INTP; and I trust in my ability to observe & speculate. Debate is enjoyable...

It's cute everyone places so much bearing on status here. Rajah calm down; type is much too obvious to have to go stifling through peoples blogs for scraps. I would be surprised if someone who posts often and at some length couldn't be proven with recent materials; or at least a way a person presents themselves publicly. There is much more to observing than the things people do and say. The things they choose not to say factor in a lot as well.

[outmywindow]

I wonder if Jane Goodall felt the need to justify herself to the chimps this much.

[BlackMage]

I wonder if Jane Goodall felt the need to justify herself to the chimps this much.

I think you just did a lovely job of typing yourself

[outmywindow]

I think you just did a lovely job of typing yourself
Okay, humor me.

[Rhu]

Yes.

Plus, I think it could stifle blogging altogether. Yes, people can always critique you in your blog, but there's this unspoken understanding that blogs are personal. You can kick someone out of your blog; you can restrict what's done in your blog to some extent. And the community silently supports that idea. Even though blogs are viewable to members, there's this idea that it's a place to get some support.

So... yeah.
Given the way that's phrased--unspoken, unofficial consensus in the midst of a group of introverted, trend-bucking, passive-aggressive, sadistic assholes? It's almost a wonder that fear of reproach and possible moderator intervention has stopped any extra-blogular blog analysis from happening.

...

Well, I guess consensus hasn't really stopped that sort of thing from happening, often to the exclusion of the blog poster. It just goes on in chats and PMs.

Even though I have it, myself, I find the taboo of publicizing private judgments on the subject of someone else's blog strange: I wouldn't engage in the activity, but I suspect I'd be fascinated at how tasteless another person could be.


And I will never, ever, ever! fear Yo Gabba Gabba. Word.
:grin:

[BlackMage]

EDIT: I'm just going to send this to her personally. INTPs can come across as extremely cold and while she did ask me to humor her I just want to make sure it is okay first... I don't want to permanently scar the girl.

[outmywindow]

Interesting.

As for the Jane Goodall comment, I don't know where you got sex out of it. She is well known for her long-term observation of chimpanzee family groups in the wild, even going so far as to become accepted as one of their own. Of course, sex and sexual relationships were part of what she observed, but I don't think that was the main focus of her study. I related you to her because the tone I've gotten of your observations. In the case of MacGuffin, you seemed to advertise yourself as an authority on the subject, the scientist offering definitive conclusions about the behavior of the childlike chimp. The only problem is that in this case, our chimp is perfectly capable of communicating his or her objections, and more importantly, of performing extensive self-analysis, which is more thorough -- and arguably more correct -- by its very nature. For some reason, though, you dismissed it as self-denial, for being too subjective in origin, because the response wasn't as adamantly adverse to your ideas as you'd hoped?

Perhaps this thread would have been netter received if your posts weren't infused with the notion that we -- the other members of INTPc -- can't be trusted to make our own determinations about ourselves. This is off putting in people who actually know us, face-to-face, and is especially so in someone who frankly has never seen a person's face while talking or thinking, and has never had a real time conversation with the person. You can certainly get to know a person well via an internet forum, but there are limitations to the format in that each response can be carefully considered and edited, and that factors such as vocal patterns, body language, facial expression, etc. are entirely missing. You're only getting a piece of the picture, and are going so far with that piece as to tell people that they're wrong about their own self-perception.

Anyway, I think it's more tone than content which is making people prickly.

edit: I did notice that you were far more uncertain with my profile than with MacGuffin's. I don't know if this is because you see Mac as an easier read, or if it's because Mac was quick to shrug off your assessment, which you took as some kind of confirmation of your findings.


EDIT: I'm just going to send this to her personally. INTPs can come across as extremely cold and while she did ask me to humor her I just want to make sure it is okay first... I don't want to permanently scar the girl.
Ha, not scarred. And for the record, she typed me as an INFJ.

[BlackMage]

Interesting.

As for the Jane Goodall comment, I don't know where you got sex out of it. She is well known for her long-term observation of chimpanzee family groups in the wild, even going so far as to become accepted as one of their own. Of course, sex and sexual relationships were part of what she observed, but I don't think that was the main focus of her study. I related you to her because the tone I've gotten of your observations. In the case of MacGuffin, you seemed to advertise yourself as an authority on the subject, the scientist offering definitive conclusions about the behavior of the childlike chimp. The only problem is that in this case, our chimp is perfectly capable of communicating his or her objections, and more importantly, of performing extensive self-analysis, which is more thorough -- and arguably more correct -- by its very nature. For some reason, though, you dismissed it as self-denial, for being too subjective in origin, because the response wasn't as adamantly adverse to your ideas as you'd hoped?

Perhaps this thread would have been netter received if your posts weren't infused with the notion that we -- the other members of INTPc -- can't be trusted to make our own determinations about ourselves. This is off putting in people who actually know us, face-to-face, and is especially so in someone who frankly has never seen a person's face while talking or thinking, and has never had a real time conversation with the person. You can certainly get to know a person well via an internet forum, but there are limitations to the format in that each response can be carefully considered and edited, and that factors such as vocal patterns, body language, facial expression, etc. are entirely missing. You're only getting a piece of the picture, and are going so far with that piece as to tell people that they're wrong about their own self-perception.

Anyway, I think it's more tone than content which is making people prickly.

edit: I did notice that you were far more uncertain with my profile than with MacGuffin's. I don't know if this is because you see Mac as an easier read, or if it's because Mac was quick to shrug off your assessment, which you took as some kind of confirmation of your findings.

Extroverts are much easier to read; I have also had a lot of experience with ENFJ's as the center of social circles in nerd group dynamics. I find the ENFJ to be very alluring.

As for assumptions; I am factoring in all of those things you mentioned in my speculation about a particular type. It is not that I don't trust the members of INTP to type themselves correctly and I did not assume this post would be well received; of course one can always have the best hopes. I have noticed that there is a problem with the MBTI tests themselves in giving false answers as well as inconsistencies in the profiles that lead types to view themselves as other types. Of course I am not expecting anyone take what I say as true; of course this is just that... speculation.

Everything I say; like everything else must be viewed critically; and logically. I am just a human; I am positive I have error and I know that I have mistyped in the past! In fact; I had mistyped myself.

To be honest; the more I know about MBTI; the less I feel that I know about people in general. I just don't think people are used to women like me; and yes that does make me a little bit uncomfortable; but I am used to these sorts of reactions. I had rocks thrown at my head often in elementary school =P

To clarify; I was talking about sex as in male / female. I am just a mammal at a computer with a keyboard; the fact that I am girl doesn't have much to do with it! I can't say I know much about Jane personally but she sounds very interesting.

I would like to add one more thing; I notice when you talk about people or places you are very specific. You give street names; etc next to your pictures that you take. I know INTP's have trouble keeping hold of this sort of information; but an INFJ would keep it in a special place.

Double Edit: INFJ's are also extremely complex individuals; and I have not typed you yet as I haven't been able to read enough of your posts. It has been a while since I was pondering which type you may be. If you reread the email; I said "to take a guess" and I could only be sure of the INxx.

[Titania]

The women here are hardly typical, and hardly expect typical femininity. If you're getting a constant reaction even here, it's probably not them providing the constant.

[BlackMage]

The women here are hardly typical, and hardly expect typical femininity. If you're getting a constant reaction even here, it's probably not them providing the constant.

The women here are NOT typical; but are mainly NFs.

[bluebell]

The women here are NOT typical; but are mainly NFs.

Someone needs a :hug:

[outmywindow]

I would like to add one more thing; I notice when you talk about people or places you are very specific. You give street names; etc next to your pictures that you take. I know INTP's have trouble keeping hold of this sort of information; but an INFJ would keep it in a special place.
I did that for a reason, which was to make the 'walking tour' aspect of the photos make more sense. When I went out that day and took all those pictures, I set out with the idea of walking along a certain street and documenting its transition from financial district to shopping district to scuzz, and finally to a civic area. To just say "San Francisco" wouldn't be all that helpful. Also, I spent about an hour with a google map tab open figuring all that stuff out, so I definitely didn't keep it in a 'special place' in my head.

If you reread the email; I said "to take a guess" and I could only be sure of the INxx.
I know, but I thought the INFJ part was funnier.

[BlackMage]

I did that for a reason, which was to make the 'walking tour' aspect of the photos make more sense. When I went out that day and took all those pictures, I set out with the idea of walking along a certain street and documenting its transition from financial district to shopping district to scuzz, and finally to a civic area. To just say "San Francisco" wouldn't be all that helpful. Also, I spent about an hour with a google map tab open figuring all that stuff out, so I definitely didn't keep it in a 'special place' in my head.

I know, but I thought the INFJ part was funnier.

I'm saying it wouldn't be important; and I was just using that as an example; you are also very specific in your posts. I take thousands of pictures :) also... *cough* you did plan it.

So you didn't answer; if you would mind if it was posted or not? Then people might have some idea of what I am talking about! You did not reply personally; only publicly.

[outmywindow]

also... *cough* you did plan it.
Yeah, like ten minutes before I walked to the subway station. Since I don't actually live in San Francisco, I find that it's rather difficult to suddenly materialize there without making some kind of effort to get there. I've taken that same walk many times, and I thought this time I may as well bring the camera along and document it since it was a nice day and I had all the time in the world.

[BlackMage]

Yeah, like ten minutes before I walked to the subway station. Since I don't actually live in San Francisco, I find that it's rather difficult to suddenly materialize there without making some kind of effort to get there. I've taken that same walk many times, and I thought this time I may as well bring the camera along and document it since it was a nice day and I had all the time in the world.

So is that a no?

[outmywindow]

So is that a no?
That I planned it? Yes. Basically, I thought "Hey, I'd like to go do something interesting," and going to SF was one of the options that ran through my mind. After 'tasting' each one briefly, SF seemed like the best for the day, and before I left my apartment I had enough forethought to grab my camera off the table and throw it in my bag.

In fact, during the ten minute walk to the station, I probably doubted my desire to go to SF three times, and really only finalized the decision by stepping onto one train and not another. I do that sort of thing all the time. Being indecisive long enough that other options get closed off for one reason or another is a pastime of mine.

[BlackMage]

That I planned it? Yes. Basically, I thought "Hey, I'd like to go do something interesting," and going to SF was one of the options that ran through my mind. After 'tasting' each one briefly, SF seemed like the best for the day, and before I left my apartment I had enough forethought to grab my camera off the table and throw it in my bag.

In fact, during the ten minute walk to the station, I probably doubted my desire to go to SF three times, and really only finalized the decision by stepping onto one train and not another. I do that sort of thing all the time. Being indecisive long enough that other options get closed off for one reason or another is a pastime of mine.

No, to posting the observations on your personality

[outmywindow]

No, to posting the observations on your personality
Oh, heh. Personally, I am very sure I'm an INTP. Not only can I really identify with much of what's written in the type descriptions, I've also had family members and a few close friends read them, and all of them have basically said it's spot on. The only thing you mentioned which I've heard before is the bit about my writing style being seemingly F (another poster here went on a minor crusade to convince the board that I was an INFP). I've had the opportunity to hone my writing through college (majored in English Literature), and I read constantly and have an interest in linguistics, so I suppose that explains it.

I always find it funny when people claim I can't be a T because my vocabulary is too extensive. Do people ever tell someone they can't possibly be an F because they're too good at physics?

edit: Oh, and a couple of people here have met me in meatspace, and they all concurred that I'm an INTP, for what it's worth.

[Delilah]

This thread is funny.

[Thevenin]

A skillful writer can make him or herself appear like any of the 16 personalities. I've written articles for scientific journals that are pure INTJ. I've written articles for magazines that, as pure fluff, seem written by a perky ESTP. I've also published newspaper pieces that are purely descriptive and neutral, the ultimate in "S," "what you see is what you write." Yet, despite all this verbal flexibility, I am still an extreme INTP, although I've balanced and mellowed over the years. Determining a person's type by reading his or her posts, is at the very least, fallible.

[LowEnd]

Who the fuck is this self aggrandised waste of effort??

Most annoying member ever.


ISTJ if ever I saw one.

[mgb]

*elbows outmywindow out of the way*

I'm next.


Go for it.


Okay, humor me.




Ha, not scarred. And for the record, she typed me as an INFJ.

Bitch.


This thread is funny.

Not yet it isn't.


The boards are way to slow to be able to check out your previous posts; do you have MSN? That might be much more efficient.

I don't engage in chats over messenger. They are timely an uninformative. I have 9000 posts you can read through, so get to it. I expect a masterpiece.

[Delilah]

Not yet it isn't.

Wait for it...... ;)

[MacGuffin]

This is very interesting and you did indeed bring up some good points. Which; I think are rather in line with a lot of misconceptions about not just INTPs; but introverts in general. I believe that not all; in fact many INTPs may not be nerds at all! If you read kerseys work he puts a really big stressor on exactly how rare the INTP personality type is. He didn't meet someone like himself until much later in life and I have to say that I am not positive that I have ever met an INTP in person either.

What it does say in many; INTP profiles is the following:

not recognizing basic social principles, such as appropriate dress and general behavior?

Now, I don't see how this would be a big issue if the person was neglectful in image as there are many types who just don't care how they look in particular. Then why is this such a big issue for the INTP?

I can say personally with an ENTJ father, and an ESTJ mother that nothing they could possibly do would change the way that I would dress. They cried, shook me, grounded me, took away my stuff, threw me out of the house, it just left me feeling rather confused.

For all of fourth grade I wore a pink sweat suit which I would make my mom wash everyday and I chewed holes in the entire arms of both sides. I would get bored and just chew the sleeves while thinking about anything and everything.

Then I wore nothing but army pants; I thought I was super cool because I liked them. My parents started getting really upset with my way of dress around grade four; when I started messing and tweeking with my clothes the way I did with many other things around the house.

In 8th grade I looked so much different than everyone else. I went to a Catholic school; but I really needed to get a mushroom cut with a shaved head in the back; I just thought they were awesome. I knew I was going to get made fun of relentlessly I just couldn't put my own wants on the backburner.

My parents were trying to change me daily; but for some reason I just couldn't BE normal even when I tried. I went through high school with the impression that everyone else had their own unique desires, and inspired ideas, designs and plans for appearances but they had MUCH more self control than I because they were able to fit in with other people. I noticed people were shocked by my Mohawks; and changing hair colors every few weeks but I just got a lot of joy out of planning different looks; and working with different colors, styles, almost like inventing! I did this with many things my whole life; I have always took a notebook with me; and ideas just come then I refine them; and doing this process makes me very excited. It just didn't make logical sense to me why someone else would care how you would dress if it isn't affecting them in a negative way. I suppose the theme of my life would be the golden rule; If it isn't hurting someone it's not illogical. I believe this is what they are talking about when they mention that INTPs just don't get it.

There have been times of my life when I severely neglect my appearance. In fact almost always when I am deeply engrossed; I forget what I look like and can almost have a form of disassociation through hyper focusing. Make-up is an art much like photography; both of which I have enjoyed being creative with and refining and an outlet for creativity. It isn't pushed by feeling; I think about it; I get Ne sparks that push it along. Mix that with the perceiving preference; you are going to get some interesting styles my friend! Lookin' good can be great with feeling; but with introverted sensing of the INTP; it is very easy to see when something is "off" and tweak it to be just right.

This is much of the reason I would assume a lot of INTPs don't talk very much. There would be massive miscommunication because the way I think; has a million intuitive links involved; I am very all over the place but it makes sense to me. I almost have to translate into another language when I'm explaining to others. I could go on forever but it really does tire me out to have to translate many times over. I did want to write something out on this; so I suppose this is a good opportunity to write a small novel.

I cannot do the same make-up more than once; repeating activities and doing things when I'm not learning from them is extremely uncomfortable for me. I would describe this almost as restlessness or pain.

I HATE doing my hair if I can't find some way to mix it up; I enjoyed the low maintenance of a shaved head for many years before I was coaxed into growing out my hair to transition into the adult world. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done; as silly as that sounds.

A lot of people believe that because I look a certain way; or I am bright that it is okay just to approach me. I can understand this but it makes me very uncomfortable and I fear leaving the house.

An INTP can look like an extrovert to an untrained eye; because Ne + P can build up a whirlwind of excitement. Since Ti is internal; a lot of the absolute, serious parts of the INTP are hidden deep within. This can make us seem stupid; or much less smart than we actually are; it is rather humiliating indeed.

Not so sure what a Boudoir session is. It was taken by my S.O. in a hotel room in Gay BDSM hotel amsterdam. There is a sex cage behind me; hehe. The rates were 1/3 of the other hotels in the off season and I am always up for an adventure. It was actually nicer than the other hotels downtown :D and the gay guys were actually really clean

This kind of reasoning just invalidated your entire analysis of me at the beginning of the thread!

Now I'll never know what I am!

*runs away crying*

[Delilah]

Now I'll never know what I am!

*runs away crying*

Which confirms my analysis of "13 year old girl".

[Rajah]

It's cute everyone places so much bearing on status here. Rajah calm down; type is much too obvious to have to go stifling through peoples blogs for scraps. I would be surprised if someone who posts often and at some length couldn't be proven with recent materials; or at least a way a person presents themselves publicly. There is much more to observing than the things people do and say. The things they choose not to say factor in a lot as well.What on earth would make you think I'm not perfectly calm?

You're a very weird guy girl.


Given the way that's phrased--unspoken, unofficial consensus in the midst of a group of introverted, trend-bucking, passive-aggressive, sadistic assholes? It's almost a wonder that fear of reproach and possible moderator intervention has stopped any extra-blogular blog analysis from happening.

...

Well, I guess consensus hasn't really stopped that sort of thing from happening, often to the exclusion of the blog poster. It just goes on in chats and PMs.

Even though I have it, myself, I find the taboo of publicizing private judgments on the subject of someone else's blog strange: I wouldn't engage in the activity, but I suspect I'd be fascinated at how tasteless another person could be.Oh, c'mon, it's not that exciting. It's pure social networking. Unspoken rules are created, all the time. Negotiating interaction boundaries, blah blah blah. I'd just rather the really personal shit be kept as private as possible. And there's a pretty marked difference between discussing a blog amongst friends and publicizing blog critique for all forum members' view.

Just a thought, anyway.

And why such a cynic?

[mgb]

What on earth would make you think I'm not perfectly calm?

You're a very weird guy girl.


I think because she typed it in bold. Bold makes everything more exciting.

[Rajah]

I think because she typed it in bold. Bold makes everything more exciting.I also find it odd BlackMage said type is "much too obvious" to need to pore through blogs, but demanded I provide documentation of MacGuffin's type. I just love people who are contradictory.

[outmywindow]

I particularly enjoyed the post that claimed I had essentially typed myself with my reference to Jane Goodall, then upon requesting clarification, only half a type was offered, then it was uncovered that BlackMage didn't actually know who Jane Goodall is, thus nullifying the first statement completely.

[mgb]

I particularly enjoyed the post that claimed I had essentially typed myself with my reference to Jane Goodall, then upon requesting clarification, only half a type was offered, then it was uncovered that BlackMage didn't actually know who Jane Goodall is, thus nullifying the first statement completely.

Keep rubbing it in, line-butter. Keep rubbing it in.

[erm]

I also find it odd BlackMage said type is "much too obvious" to need to pore through blogs, but demanded I provide documentation of MacGuffin's type. I just love people who are contradictory.

BlackMage has given some documentation. You haven't.


BlackMage didn't actually know who Jane Goodall is, thus nullifying the first statement completely.

No, it didn't nullify the statement. What s/he used to type didn't necessarily involve the Jane Goodall part. Probably the continued referencing to characters and quotes or something, if I had to guess.


The women here are hardly typical, and hardly expect typical femininity. If you're getting a constant reaction even here, it's probably not them providing the constant.


The women here are NOT typical; but are mainly NFs.

What's a typical woman like:huh:

To BlackMage. WTF?

1. People normally get really offended when you try to type them. They likely won't consider whether you are right or not.

2. Whatever MBTI type someone thinks they are, is what they are. Almost by definition. (Jung typology, which contradicts MBTI in alot of places, is where things like that change)

3. How are you expecting to have made a decent observation over a forum? By my observations there are very few INTP's here, but that's probably because they don't use this forum to be INTP much. A forum is very E by nature afterall.

I'd trust their judgement over mine on this matter, by a long way. Do you honestly think Macguffin is ENFJ or is this a some mental flexing exercise?

[Titania]

BlackMage has given some documentation. You haven't.Blackmage needs to, Rajah doesn't, especially since Rajah's made no affirmative claim herself and has merely seen no reason to question his self-typing. MacG's made 15000 posts, and some of us have been around long enough to read nearly all of them. Probably about a dozen or more of us have met the guy.

When the people who have known the guy for years and have had a beer with him and the guy himself all say ENFJ's waaaaay off the mark, that is documentation.

[Delilah]

I have also had a lot of experience with ENFJ's as the center of social circles in nerd group dynamics. I find the ENFJ to be very alluring.

The answer is right here. BM has the screaming thigh sweats for Mac and is hoping he is ENFJ.

[Jen]

First off; don't be a baby. I'm not meaning to hurt anyone's feelings! I have been analyzing and observing people for a rather long time and truth and clarity are rather important to me. Here I will be offering my type perspective for certain people on the boards; using "examples" and explaining to the best of my ability how I came to these conclusions.

I have noticed there is a lot of misconception in type on the boards; and I do not believe this is at the fault of the user; as INTPs are often over-generalized and being such a small percentage of the population (I believe much less than projected figures) are rather hard to spot. This is not personal what-so-ever; and I hope that this will bring a greater understanding to everyone in understanding of the INTP.I think what you're doing is great and you're very pretty. :yes:

Feel free to type me anytime and I promise not to be a baby about it. http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-8464.gif

[Madrigal]

BlackMage, can I introduce you to Kljoki?

[HilbertSpace]

I particularly enjoyed the post that claimed I had essentially typed myself with my reference to Jane Goodall, then upon requesting clarification, only half a type was offered, then it was uncovered that BlackMage didn't actually know who Jane Goodall is, thus nullifying the first statement completely.

Things like that always make me regret my habit of skipping/skimming these threads. I saw the post referencing Goodall, and figured you were typing yourself INTP with it.

[Titania]

The answer is right here. BM has the screaming thigh sweats for Mac and is hoping he is ENFJ.Can't disagree with ENFJs being nerdcandy sometimes, and sometimes the heart and soul of a nerdclique, but MacG being the center of our nerdclique? Eh. We kind of reject and defy organizing efforts like that.

I have wondered before, on an almost entirely homogenous-typed board, if we get pushed into type roles as niches, to fulfill this particular place's societal needs. Wouldn't particularly surprise me. On the other hand, 'cause we're not doing stuff as a group, that has pretty strong limits.


Edit HAHAHAH, all the NFs are coming out to play on this now! How cute!

[Rajah]

BlackMage has given some documentation. You haven't.Um, so? I think Titania pretty much covered the points here.

[erm]

Um, so? I think Titania pretty much covered the points here.

Alright.


When the people who have known the guy for years and have had a beer with him and the guy himself all say ENFJ's waaaaay off the mark, that is documentation.

That's not the point. The point is that Rajah implied neither of them gave documentation. BM did. The contradiction lyed in the premise being true, it's not, so the contradiction isn't there.

I think we are using a different meaning for the word "documentation". BM seemed to be using it as a written reason, backing up a point. Rather than saying you know better without explaining what knowing Mcg more has told you about him, which the other person does not know about.

[Rajah]

The point is that Rajah implied neither of them gave documentation. BM did.No I didn't.


The contradiction lyed in the premise being true, it's not, so the contradiction isn't there..No it didn't. I merely used her words.


I think we might be using using a different meaning for the word "documentation" anyway. BM seemed to be using it as a written reason, backing up a point. Rather than saying you know better without explaining what knowing Mcg more has told you about him, which the other person does not know about.What in the hell are you talking about?

[mgb]

Alright.



That's not the point. The point is that Rajah implied neither of them gave documentation. BM did. The contradiction lyed in the premise being true, it's not, so the contradiction isn't there.

I think we are using a different meaning for the word "documentation". BM seemed to be using it as a written reason, backing up a point. Rather than saying you know better without explaining what knowing Mcg more has told you about him, which the other person does not know about.

I think you are being pedantic.

It's not important that Rajah didn't offer documentation. It's also not important that BlackMage did. Why? Because MacGuffin has so many posts on so many different topics that by isolating just a few of them you could pretty much make him into any type you want to. Rajah gets that, BlackMage probably does to, so what's your problem?

There aren't really any "facts" in these analyses, just biased observations and biased interpretations.

That said, I hope this reply from BlackMage doesn't deter her from doing me next. I mean that emphatically.

[Thevenin]

2. Whatever MBTI type someone thinks they are, is what they are. Almost by definition. (Jung typology, which contradicts MBTI in alot of places, is where things like that change)

3. How are you expecting to have made a decent observation over a forum? By my observations there are very few INTP's here, but that's probably because they don't use this forum to be INTP much. A forum is very E by nature afterall.

I'd trust their judgement over mine on this matter, by a long way. Do you honestly think Macguffin is ENFJ or is this a some mental flexing exercise?

People sometimes mistakenly believe that MBTI is a scientifically originated process of personality categorization. Indeed, many psychologists scoff at it (perhaps, because Myers-Briggs were not psychology Ph.D.s, have been successful unconventionally, and are perceived as a threat). If you look at the MBTI test questions, they allow people to categorize themselves by consciously choosing their preferences. So, essentially, MBTI is self-categorization. That is, yes, people are what they think they are.

Otoh, I disagree that forums (I don't like the word fora!) are inherently for the extroverted. Indeed, it has been my experience IRL that one mark of a true introvert, is a strong preference for communicating by writing. I know this is true for me, and I (happily) often don't speak to anyone but my wife for a week at a time. I do, however, conduct a successful business almost exclusively with email.

Also, I agree that it is probably impossible to type someone by his or her postings. Particularly INTP's, who interact with the world by Ne, but with Ti being strongest, what you see in an INTP's behavior is extroverted intuition, which is likely to vary a lot from person to person.

I've noticed that the older INTP's on this forum tend to be more mellow, less impulsive, perhaps more comfortable with their F-side than some of the younger INTP's. That's okay, provocative posts can be fun, interesting, and energizing. But I say this because, as data, this shows that, among INTP's (and, indeed, all sorts), there is a lot of variation that could easily obscure MBTI type.

[BlackMage]

BlackMage has given some documentation. You haven't.

To BlackMage. WTF?

1. People normally get really offended when you try to type them. They likely won't consider whether you are right or not.

I realize this, people normally get offended quite often by many things. Especially when you try and type them. Which I find as quite an oxymoron since this is a Personality Type system website? If I was wrong; I believe there would be a lot less emotion involved on this website and much more "challenge" between members. Oh no, the thought of something like that is getting me excited!

2. Whatever MBTI type someone thinks they are, is what they are. Almost by definition. (Jung typology, which contradicts MBTI in alot of places, is where things like that change)

I could see how one could think this, and it is indeed true to a point but I think it is more true for ennegram and not personality. I am fairly certain the type we have is the type we are born with.

3. How are you expecting to have made a decent observation over a forum? By my observations there are very few INTP's here, but that's probably because they don't use this forum to be INTP much. A forum is very E by nature afterall.


How did you make that observation that there are not many INTPs here? I am not expecting to be able to type anyone undoubtedly. I was honestly hoping that someone would go through the things I said and try and break them down and challenge them. Yes, that is a learning experience!

I'd trust their judgement over mine on this matter, by a long way. Do you honestly think Macguffin is ENFJ or is this a some mental flexing exercise?

I do have to ask, why would you "trust" anyone over anyone else? This isn't about judgment! This is about using Ne to gather information; then using Ti to go over it and make sense of it.

To be an INTP; for is a very desirable thing! Many intuitive have shame for their behavior and will gladly take on the label of the INTP; architect. Many intuitive people (yes NF's! Many are very gifted yet "never feel like themselves" they go seeking labels which very well may be rather true to themselves externally but does not encompass their internal type) this just causes greater type confusion.

While an INTP; who may "know of" the INTP profile would scrutinize their own ability for such things and may not be as apt to give themselves the correct profiling. I learned most of what I know about type; trying to find underlying motivations and learn my own true type. I've uncovered a lot of misconceptions which i hope I can get out with my Ne since I'm rather useless at just getting "the point across".

I have trouble answering this above question. I can't be sure of anything that I see or observe because it is just that, observations. Some of them are sure to be wrong.

From my personal experience in people watching (I have met quite a few people online/irl in the last ten years) that people give you the hints they need to decode how they really behave in person. This seems ridiculous perhaps... but I am an INTP; and I have directed a lot of my energy to understanding type. It tickles my brain.

There are many patterns which are stored away in my brain regarding types. These clarifications are obvious to me. I am very familiar with many of these personality types from watching social dynamics from the sidelines in various nerd groups. Many of these people at these functions have no idea what an INTP is yet their behavior and types seem very consistent with this board. There are reasons for this based on individual type and motivations.

Quite often I would meet someone in person only to learn they are very active online. I would follow this; reverse engineering if you will.

I would feel uncomfortable telling you to "trust me"; as that is the opposite of what I want. I would much rather be challenged and be able to prove my theories.

[BlackMage]

Otoh, I disagree that forums (I don't like the word fora!) are inherently for the extroverted. Indeed, it has been my experience IRL that one mark of a true introvert, is a strong preference for communicating by writing. I know this is true for me, and I (happily) often don't speak to anyone but my wife for a week at a time. I do, however, conduct a successful business almost exclusively with email.


I think you hit the nail on the head here.

Since outmywindow has gone to defend her type in the thread yet not respond to me personally when I took them time to e-mail her half way through my observations (a little discouraging!) I'm going to finish them up and post them here publicly.

[Delilah]

The lack of using the multi-quote feature brings death and destruction to many. Fair warning.

[mgb]

The lack of using the multi-quote feature brings death and destruction to many. Fair warning.

*checks out Delilah's Casino bucks*

[BlackMage]

The lack of using the multi-quote feature brings death and destruction to many. Fair warning.

Why do you care? My posts are much more structured than many. You just sound ooooh sooo angry!!! GRRRR :devil:

[Delilah]

*checks out Delilah's Casino bucks*

Somebody has been gambling and posting. ;)


Why do you care? My posts are much more structured than many. You just sound ooooh sooo angry!!! GRRRR :devil:

Oooh, do I sound angry enough to be typed by you oh great oberver? Do I?

It was a tip, I could not care less whether or not you accept it as such.

[mgb]

Oooh, do I sound angry enough to be typed by you oh great oberver? Do I?

Maybe after me.

[BlackMage]

Okay, humor me.

I can't give you your type directly; so I will try and use my extroverted intuition to work things out as I go along. I hope you don't mind using your pictures for a good frame of reference as they are your creations and are linked in with your profile.



So far I've got INxx

Stupid pictures I've taken.

Playing down the quality of your pictures; for reassurance? people will tell you that they are great pictures; Do you know the quality of your work? I don't understand why you are being meek.

A Case of the Camerawhore. Unfortunately, everyone falls prey at times.

This shows me that you are uncomfortable and that you should be impervious to this sort of thing as a thinker. You felt the need to justify posting your picture; because many nerd girls who post their pictures do it because they like attention. You don't want to look like an attention whore because you value your intelligence too much; but you also value other people's opinions. You are definitely intuitive to have thought this through enough to have used a tactic to prevent it. I sense mild anxiety about your posts online; yet you externally exude confidence externally.

"You are a nerd goddess. That is all." -- the venerable C.J.Woolf

Projection of a role; I sense the fact you are indeed actually a nerd; but you feel somewhere inside that you may not be what you actually are.

I wonder if Jane Goodall felt the need to justify herself to the chimps this much.

If you re-read my posts and then yours; I don't believe I was doing anything other than providing clarity. As an INTP; I do not value miscommunication and it is my goal that types are understood on a greater level. Personally I thought that I was an ENTP; My best friend thought she was an ENTJ (INTJ) and Zero Angel; an INTP (INFJ). I believe life goes a lot more smoothly when you can look into functions for explanations of behavior but I will admit that I am saddened indeed this thread got rather derailed. As for the Jane Goodall comment. I don't see how "sex(edit:gender)" is involved; or how I am related to her in this manner. I suppose I could take it as a complement. I'm not sure you are looking at things objectionably but when cognitive behaviors are involved; typing gets a little bit muddy. So I can't use this to know if you are an INTP or not.

It appears to me that you are very much in control of your public image; but are doubting it all along at the same time. *puzzled, and goes to read some of your resent posts which have now loaded*

Just from memory I am impressed with your use of language rather often which makes me think; you may have a feeling preference. Perhaps an INFJ (which in my opinion can be very naturally INTP like).

(to add; more to come!)

[MC Mastermind]

What in the hell are you talking about?
oh please, you have to be playing dumb. No intuitive thinker could honestly fail to understand this statement



I think we are using a different meaning for the word "documentation". BM seemed to be using it as a written reason, backing up a point. Rather than saying you know better without explaining what knowing Mcg more has told you about him, which the other person does not know about.

what exactly is so hard to understand?

[Titania]

I do have to ask, why would you "trust" anyone over anyone else? This isn't about judgment! This is about using Ne to gather information; then using Ti to go over it and make sense of it. Yes, it is about judgement in the non-MBTI sense. It is about why we shouldn't trust our experiences, both more extensive and more direct, and our reasoning, which so far seems a great deal more sound than yours on a variety of matters, in favor of yours.

I'm open to the idea of you showing yourself to be an outstanding genius here, but so far, there's nothing that'd place you above average in terms of intellect or judgement here, and a few huge missteps that might put you below it.

You aren't anything special here.

Edit OK, now it's pretty obvious she's recruiting people from another board to support her on this. :rolleyes:

[erm]

No I didn't.

No it didn't. I merely used her words.

What in the hell are you talking about?

You using her words makes this a deductive argument now. She used her words in the second post to provide "documentation". Her then asking you to, yet proclaiming typing is "much too obvious", meant she wanted you to provide her level of "documentation". Not yours. Hence no contradiction.


Anyway, here's my shot at using personally selected evidence to type Macguffin.

He has a high postcount and talks alot on this forum > E

In his movie reviews he talks alot about actors and directors > S

He get's alot of pleasure from communicating with people on this forum, and likes MBTI, a theory revolving around people > F

He uses exterior guidelines to show how he is a "fuck up" > J

ESFJ:highfive:

[BlackMage]

Yes, it is about judgement in the non-MBTI sense. It is about why we shouldn't trust our experiences, both more extensive and more direct, and our reasoning, which so far seems a great deal more sound than yours on a variety of matters, in favor of yours.

I'm open to the idea of you showing yourself to be an outstanding genius here, but so far, there's nothing that'd place you above average in terms of intellect or judgement here, and a few huge missteps that might put you below it.

You aren't anything special here.

Edit OK, now it's pretty obvious she's recruiting people from another board to support her on this. :rolleyes:

I didn't say I was special or a genius! But your intuition is rolling; Are you thinking about me Titania? Do I look sexy in your dreaaams? :wub:

I did recruit her! She isn't on any message board; she is my best friend INTJ; and shes pretty awesome.

[Titania]

I'm just poking the troll.

You must think you're something special to start this thread. Somehow, you know better than a person and their friends who they are.

But like your look, your ideas are just loud, trite, and unsubtle with a cheap wig slapped on. Nothing special here. You ain't foolin nobody with it.

[BlackMage]

He has a high postcount and talks alot on this forum > E

Zero Angel has a high post count; and he is one of the most introverted people I've ever met. I'm not positive if you can use this for typing; but he does talk a lot and it is the things in which he says and how he says them which makes me believe that he in an extrovert and not an introvert. He is also in rather close physical proximity to several people in pictures.


In his movie reviews he talks alot about actors and directors > S

I did set set photography on a indie movie set once; it was like ENFJ terror!

They are awesome when they are alone but if you get more than one in a room (when they aren't close friends) you'll have some very interesting power struggles. I remember when this ENFJ wanted to kill me because he was convinced the Nintendo WII had better graphics than the Xbox 360; that was painful.



He uses exterior guidelines to show how he is a "fuck up" > J
ESFJ:highfive:

Further proof of extroversion here; as well as him going over "lost" possibilities with his intuition! Sensors seem to get over stuff like that easier and not mull over the past *as much*.

[BlackMage]

I'm just poking the troll.

You must think you're something special to start this thread. Somehow, you know better than a person and their friends who they are.

But like your look, your ideas are just loud, trite, and unsubtle with a cheap wig slapped on. Nothing special here. You ain't foolin nobody with it.

Redundancy is the INTP's best friend!!! :gm:

[Madrigal]

The whole troll thing must be getting old, because I just can't find it in me to be entertained anymore.

[erm]

Otoh, I disagree that forums (I don't like the word fora!) are inherently for the extroverted. Indeed, it has been my experience IRL that one mark of a true introvert, is a strong preference for communicating by writing. I know this is true for me, and I (happily) often don't speak to anyone but my wife for a week at a time. I do, however, conduct a successful business almost exclusively with email.

I agree with what you posted. Except this. I didn't mean only E's enjoy forums, I meant communicating on a forum is exercising E traits, though not as strongly as direct communication.


How did you make that observation that there are not many INTPs here? I am not expecting to be able to type anyone undoubtedly. I was honestly hoping that someone would go through the things I said and try and break them down and challenge them. Yes, that is a learning experience!

I see little Ti, and not so much Ne. I would go into detail but it's probably better to say, alot of socializing here, little theorizing. Mostly the big posters though.


I do have to ask, why would you "trust" anyone over anyone else? This isn't about judgment! This is about using Ne to gather information; then using Ti to go over it and make sense of it.

Erm. I meant they have alot more information on their own behaviour and thoughts than you do. Hence if I was betting money on who is right, it would be them.

Since you've said this is a thought exercise to you, I know now that judgement is not what this is about.

The ESFJ thing was a joke, I was using it show how you a using only a certain side to their personality to type them. You need the whole picture to do it well.

This is rendered null by the it being a thought exercise again though.

[BlackMage]

This is rendered null by the it being a thought exercise again though.

To me as an INTP everything is a thought exercise; what else could this be?

[BlackMage]

Erm. I meant they have alot more information on their own behaviour and thoughts than you do. Hence if I was betting money on who is right, it would be them.

The ESFJ thing was a joke, I was using it show how you a using only a certain side to their personality to type them. You need the whole picture to do it well.

This is rendered null by the it being a thought exercise again though.

I think everyone is rather confused; I am only stating examples publicly so you can take a look and check it out for yourself. Obviously there is much more involved in typing someone. I can see how it is "funny" but... That just isn't how an INTP works.

As an INFP; I would assume you are familiar with this concept. I doubt people understand most of what you think; and you have to translate it somewhat into something they will understand. I was hoping based on what I posted; if someone was interested they would use their "pattern" finding abilities to look for repeat occurrences of the things mentioned.

[Rajah]

oh please, you have to be playing dumb. No intuitive thinker could honestly fail to understand this statementI can parse the goddammed statement. I still fail to see how it applies here.

Seriously, did you just sign up to support the troll? I mean, your pal?

[Titania]

To me as an INTP everything is a thought exercise; what else could this be?MBTI does not talk about, and/or is not predictive of:


1) Mental illness changes motivation priorities, this test doesn't account or test for that.
2) Abuse history changes motivation priorities, this test does not account or test for that.
3) MBTI doesn't test for motivation in the first place for the most part, it tests behavior. Its claims of predicting them are pseudo-scientific at best.
4) MBTI has very very little validity when subjected to double blind study.
5) A large amount of human motivation is unconscious. Self-reporting type tests do not test for that, and do not accurately analyze that.

But you should have known that before attempting to type anyone. :)

[Delilah]

I think everyone is rather confused;

Not at all, but you seem rather adept at misunderstanding and misinterpreting not only the context of peoples posts, but of the forum dynamics that are associated with them.

Many here are much more willing to exercise their inferior functions on the forum as opposed to IRL because of the relationships and history that exist that you are clearly unaware of.

Your magical bullshit won't play here.

[erm]

1) Mental illness changes motivation priorities, this test doesn't account or test for that.
2) Abuse history changes motivation priorities, this test does not account or test for that.
3) MBTI doesn't test for motivation in the first place for the most part, it tests behavior. Its claims of predicting them are pseudo-scientific at best.
4) MBTI has very very little validity when subjected to double blind study.
5) A large amount of human motivation is unconscious. Self-reporting type tests do not test for that, and do not accurately analyze that.

True for MBTI. Do you agree that not all of them are true for Jung typology?


I can parse the goddammed statement. I still fail to see how it applies here.

Seriously, did you just sign up to support the troll? I mean, your pal?

You still can't see how you did not provide the same level of documentation as BM? I've got as close to axioms as I can get, I can't explain it any further.

Just to check, who are you referring to as a troll?

[Thevenin]

I agree with what you posted. Except this. I didn't mean only E's enjoy forums, I meant communicating on a forum is exercising E traits, though not as strongly as direct communication.

I believe that communication per se says little about the E/I preference. It's the context that counts. Whereas E's are comfortable communicating directly in person and to multiple people at once, in my experience, I's prefer to communicate one to one, and, for many, indirectly through writing (as on a forum). In fact, I believe that the impersonal, anonymous nature of a forum is particularly attractive to introverts.

I have read often, and also believe, that introverts prefer to write because it allows them time to think (if you can't think it, you can't write it; if you can't write it, you can't think it). For the INTP, this is particularly important, because INTP's are often described as the most precise in language and verbal expression.

If you look at the situation informally, most people on INTPc consider themselves INTP's, and yet it is one of the most active MBTI forums. So it either proves the point, noted earlier, that most of the people here are not INTP's, or, as I believe, it supports my point that introverts prefer communicating through the written word.

Most people at INTPc consider themselves to be INTP's, yet they certainly have produced a particularly lively, active virtual community. INTPc, by its nature, is friendly to introverts in a way that real life interactions are not. In fact, real life interactions with people are often exhausting for many introverts, myself included.

[Titania]

True for MBTI. Do you agree that not all of them are true for Jung typology?I'll agree not all are true for Jungian analysis, but Jungian typology has a lot of the same problems (and a few of its own). Jung was never really into predicting behavior, he was into talking about people as they are now, within an intimate, trusting, therapeutic relationship. I'd say, more than anything, Jung is useful for intuitives who want to understand who they are and how they think about things, and want to add this to a wider set of tools. I also think Jungian analysis, to be valuable, requires either a therapist trained in it or a cup of hot chocolate and one of his books.

Once you lose the intimacy, though, Jung loses most of his punch. Jung wasn't providing an impersonal analysis, he was providing a framework for healing self and interpersonal analysis. Sometimes that requires people believe things that, in a larger sense or for other people, are not true.


Just to give you perspective, in the big 5 (a trait test, one of the few personality-type tests which does have very high validity on a large scale, when done right), there are two valid ways of assessing a person: asking the person, and asking people who know the person. A person who had never met him in real life wouldn't be a valid source.

So, there you go.

[Rajah]

You still can't see how you did not provide the same level of documentation as BM? I've got as close to axioms as I can get, I can't explain it any further.

Just to check, who are you referring to as a troll?Erm, do you not speak English? Are you still unable to see that, at least from my perspective, the "level of documentation" doesn't matter? I will try and make this crystal clear for you: I don't care about documentation. I do not think BlackMage providing "documentation" is any more persuasive than the word of people who actually know MacGuffin and have interacted with him for years. I will not provide documentation. Even if I felt passionate about giving you documentation, I would not cull through MacGuffin's posts to do it because it would be a waste of my time and energy. I think this "debate" is ludicrous. I think this thread is similarly ludicrous. I think it's ludicrous BlackMage is trolling (THIS is the troll of which I spoke) and enlisting her friends--who are as clueless as she is about this forum and its members--as support. I don't need you to explain a sentence that isn't at all complicated, when the real problem is your underlying bullshit premise.

Got it?

[Chaselation]

ass kicking

ZING!:wub:

[erm]

So, there you go.

That hit a nail I've been missing constantly straight on the head.


Most people at INTPc consider themselves to be INTP's, yet they certainly have produced a particularly lively, active virtual community. INTPc, by its nature, is friendly to introverts in a way that real life interactions are not. In fact, real life interactions with people are often exhausting for many introverts, myself included.

Okay, but focusing on the one's who post alot, are they not showing signs of repressed extraversion? I'm only going by experience here, I've witnessed I's rarely or never posting on forums, and E's commonly or never posting on forums.

Basically saying that E's normally prefer direct communication, but still would become energised by mass posting on forums. I's would still enjoy forum posting as a form of communication, but would still find it exhausting to reach very high post counts.


Not at all, but you seem rather adept at misunderstanding and misinterpreting not only the context of peoples posts, but of the forum dynamics that are associated with them.

She just said this is a thought exercise alot of times. That means she's not claiming to know the truth about people. It also means people have misinterpreted her.

Forum dynamics mean absolutley nothing. Only the rules do, dynamics are set in place like traditions. Surely traditions like those are null here? Or do you just get angry at anyone who doesn't follow unnecessary preset rules like social dynamics?


Got it?

I understand what your saying. You just don't have a clue what I said. I was focusing on you using "her words" and the logic surrounding your supposed paradox. I was hoping you would be interested in a discussion about that area of logic you were using. Obviously you are not. You seem to think it is related to BM's typing and anything other than you using her words yet trying to use them as your own. I don't care about who thinks what of mcg's type or who's trolling and who their friends are, it was you claiming a false paradox, that is all.

All this ad hominem people are using is getting old, it's not a court argument. Attack the ideas, they aren't connected to the people in that kind of way.

[Titania]

We've been under siege by trolls lately, and even the people who love an occasional one have started getting a little sick of it and very grumpy. Hope you understand. :)

[Delilah]

She just said this is a thought exercise alot of times. That means she's not claiming to know the truth about people. It also means people have misinterpreted her.

Forum dynamics mean absolutley nothing. Only the rules do, dynamics are set in place like traditions. Surely traditions like those are null here? Or do you just get angry at anyone who doesn't follow unnecessary preset rules?

There is no misinterpretation, she has claimed to be able to type people here by referencing a few posts, she has also claimed it was easy.

Forum dynamics do come into play here as the do in any social situation, there is a greater willingness to share personal information and to be more open in a situation where one feels comfortable and is among friends and on that point many here share things they would not in most other situations. With introverts the anonimity associated with an online social structure is much more safe, we share what we choose, when we choose, and to some extent with who we choose.

Also, what makes you think I am angry? I am not even annoyed, so please don't project your feelings into what I type.

[mgb]

alot
WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT.

[nonperson]

WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT.

WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT? :grin:

[mgb]

To me as an INTP everything is a thought exercise; what else could this be?

Seriously, you're doing a lot of yapping for someone who has a personality profile to do. Don't make me got on the troll bandwagon.

[mgb]

WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT? :grin:

It wasn't a question.

[Rajah]

WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT? :grin:I suspect he wasn't actually looking for an answer. ;)

[Limey]

:)
I don't normally get popcorn out, especially in the advent of popcorn lung.

[mgb]

I suspect he wasn't actually looking for an answer. ;)

Jinx. You owe me a coke.

[Rajah]

Jinx. You owe me a coke.:angry:

All right, then. :)

[Thevenin]

Okay, but focusing on the one's who post alot, are they not showing signs of repressed extraversion? I'm only going by experience here, I've witnessed I's rarely or never posting on forums, and E's commonly or never posting on forums.

I never heard of "repressed extraversion." It seems to me that if one is a true extrovert, it would be difficult to repress. Likewise, if someone is a true introvert, it is quickly evident, in person. I know, for me (and I consider myself reasonably normal for an INTP), the first thing I think to myself when someone sits next to me on a plane or a train, is "please, please, don't talk to me."

Indeed, because we live in an extroverted world, where playing well with others, being a leader, and working effectively on a team are considered desirable traits, a place like INTPc is one of the few places where us poor introverts can lick our wounds, compare battle scars and find comfort.

[erm]

There is no misinterpretation, she has claimed to be able to type people here by referencing a few posts, she has also claimed it was easy.

True, but her later posts show she never meant that they were to be accepted without criticism. There is little criticism of her ideas from what I read.


Forum dynamics do come into play here as the do in any social situation, there is a greater willingness to share personal information and to be more open in a situation where one feels comfortable and is among friends and on that point many here share things they would not in most other situations. With introverts the anonimity associated with an online social structure is much more safe, we share what we choose, when we choose, and to some extent with who we choose.

I don't see how this leads to a criticism of people who choose not to follow those rules.


Also, what makes you think I am angry? I am not even annoyed, so please don't project your feelings into what I type.

It was "magical bullshit". I used preconceptions that do not work to come to this conclusion, they have now been discarded.


WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT.

Because I'm not speaking english. I'm speaking my own personal language remarkably similar to english. In this particular language, "alot" replaces "a lot" as a spelling. Okay, scrap that reponse. How about: spelling on that level is an insignificant detail, answering only with tradition, or as I like to say it "FUCK OFF YOU SJ"

Now we're even:grin:

[mgb]

Because I'm not speaking english. I'm speaking my own personal language remarkably similar to english. In this particular language, "alot" replaces "a lot" as a spelling. Okay, scrap that reponse. How about: spelling on that level is an insignificant detail, answering only with tradition, or as I like to say it "FUCK OFF YOU SJ"

Now we're even:grin:

So when you are writing out your posts should we assume that they mean something different from what is being typed on the whole? That would actually make a lot more sense.

Spelling on that level is part of effective communication, which might be about tradition or it could be about people being able to make it through your posts without thinking you are an idiot for spelling something so simple so wrong.

[Delilah]

True, but her later posts show she never meant that they were to be accepted without criticism. There is little criticism of her ideas from what I read.

Why on earth would anyone here feel the need to defend themselves from someone making baseless accusations against people they know nothing about?



I don't see how this leads to a criticism of people who choose not to follow those rules.

I have certainly never referred to rules of any sort. The critcism here is someone with 15 or so posts claiming they can type members who are quite versed in MBTI and who have many here who know them on a personal level, know MBTI as well as they, and agree with the established members assesment of themselves as opposed to the brash young troll.


It was "magical bullshit". I used preconceptions that do not work to come to this conclusion, they have now been discarded.

Magical is in the thread title and bullshit is what I smell, I call them like I see them.

[erm]

So when you are writing out your posts should we assume that they mean something different from what is being typed on the whole? That would actually make a lot more sense.

Spelling on that level is part of effective communication, which might be about tradition or it could be about people being able to make it through your posts without thinking you are an idiot for spelling something so simple so wrong.

I just wanted to call you an SJ. You can assume they mean whatever, but alot and a lot, as you demonstrated, are not going to confuse the meaning of my sentence, so it makes it no more effective. If people think I'm an idiot for a spelling mistake, then I think they're an idiot for thinking so. Hence I lure out some of the idiots with it.

I wish I had responded like this now though:


WHY CAN'T YOU SPELL A LOT RIGHT? :grin:

[Oso Mocoso]

I just wanted to call you an SJ. You can assume they mean whatever, but alot and a lot, as you demonstrated, are not going to confuse the meaning of my sentence, so it makes it no more effective. If people think I'm an idiot for a spelling mistake, then I think they're an idiot for thinking so. Hence I lure out all the idiots with it.

Yeah, mbg really does have a lot of SJ moments. I wonder what BlackMage thinks about that. Maybe she'll tell us.

[mgb]

Yeah, mbg really does have a lot of SJ moments. I wonder what BlackMage thinks about that. Maybe she'll tell us.

I sure hope so.

[Delilah]

I sure hope so.

I think it's afraid of you beer. :highfive:

[mgb]

I think it's afraid of you beer. :highfive:

I'm starting to think so. I'm feeling a little ignored.

[Delilah]

I'm starting to think so. I'm feeling a little ignored.

:hug:

Well darlin', you can be very menacing, you're not all soft and squishy like MacG.

:rofl:

[Oso Mocoso]

I'm starting to think so. I'm feeling a little ignored.

Do you think it's possible that you feel ignored because that is in your nature as an SJ?

Am I an SJ also? Let me try.

BlackMage is just coming in here and turning our forum on its ear. She's questioning our time honored tradition of thinking of ourselves as INTPs. We should break into the body of law we have assembled and find out the proper procedures for ejecting this trouble-making interloper in an orderly manner.

[mgb]

Do you think it's possible that you feel ignored because that is in your nature as an SJ?

Am I an SJ also?

Do SJs even feel ignored?

You can't back that up with facts.

[Delilah]

Am I an SJ also? Let me try.

Obviously.


Do SJs even feel ignored?

Slighted? Yes.
Insulted? Yes.
Ignored? Not so much.

[Rajah]

Why on earth would anyone here feel the need to defend themselves from someone making baseless accusations against people they know nothing about?If you were an INFP, you'd understand that when someone says, "Hey, your idea is stupid" that it's really a cover for a deeper emotional response. It couldn't possibly just be that the idea is stupid.

[Delilah]

If you were an INFP, you'd understand that when someone says, "Hey, your idea is stupid" that it's really a cover for a deeper emotional response. It couldn't possibly just be that the idea is stupid.

Oh geez, apparently my F is on the fritz....oh wait, yeah, I don't have any of that.




Rajah rules.

[BlackMage]

Oh geez, apparently my F is on the fritz....oh wait, yeah, I don't have any of that.




Rajah rules.

INTJ?

Anyways MGB; the reason I haven't commented yet is because I don't have anything to say. Anything that I would be saying wouldn't have any logical back-up therefor I believe its best to say nothing at all.

The only observation I have; and it really isn't applicable is that you remind me of an ESFJ friend I had. We were fairly close; and he fit in with our tight knit group of a couple INTJs, INFJs, INFJ/P, and ENFJ (oh and myself as well).

He got good grades; and always had an interesting perspective but I am pretty sure he always had most of his homework done for him. He was just WAAAAY more fun than anyone else in the group.

[Thevenin]

So when you are writing out your posts should we assume that they mean something different from what is being typed on the whole? That would actually make a lot more sense.

Spelling on that level is part of effective communication, which might be about tradition or it could be about people being able to make it through your posts without thinking you are an idiot for spelling something so simple so wrong.

This is a very important point. I don't want to sound like a pedant, or a snob, but effective writing demands that we hew to a common language with common rules. It's no different from a computer language. Err on syntax and your program won't run. That may come down to a single comma, semi-colon or other small, but critical detail, as all IP people know.

In effective communication, grammar, spelling, punctuation and style count a lot. Precise thinking and careful writing go together. Use "your" for "you are" or "alot" for "a lot" (there are so many other possible examples), and you and your argument lose credibility. I'm not an elitist (at least, not among INTP's, I hope). I'm just an INTP, and INTP's care about precision in language just as they do about thought, because you can't have one without the other.

[mgb]

INTJ?

Anyways MGB; the reason I haven't commented yet is because I don't have anything to say. Anything that I would be saying wouldn't have any logical back-up therefor I believe its best to say nothing at all.

The only observation I have; and it really isn't applicable is that you remind me of an ESFJ friend I had. We were fairly close; and he fit in with our tight knit group of a couple INTJs, INFJs, INFJ/P, and ENFJ (oh and myself as well).

He got good grades; and always had an interesting perspective but I am pretty sure he always had most of his homework done for him. He was just WAAAAY more fun than anyone else in the group.

I am pretty fun. I'll give you that. But you don't get off the hook that easily.

[BlackMage]

In effective communication, grammar, spelling, punctuation and style count a lot. Precise thinking and careful writing go together. Use "your" for "you are" or "alot" for "a lot" (there are so many other possible examples), and you and your argument lose credibility. I'm not an elitist (at least, not among INTP's, I hope). I'm just an INTP, and INTP's care about precision in language just as they do about thought, because you can't have one without the other.

I believe INTPs concentrate more on the thought that is being conveyed; more than the way it is said. I have seen INTPs with horrible spelling and grammer; where it is obvious to me they care very much that they are getting the "truth" across. Honestly; there are many studies proving that you don't need great spelling or grammar to be understood. The human mind will fill in the blanks and correct the errors; which could be a problem in itself. If you spend too much time trying to communicate something precisely you might send people searching for hidden meaning.

I do find that quantifying is important for all INTPs; regardless of communication skills.

[Delilah]

INTJ?

Anyways MGB; the reason I haven't commented yet is because I don't have anything to say. Anything that I would be saying wouldn't have any logical back-up therefor I believe its best to say nothing at all.

The only observation I have; and it really isn't applicable is that you remind me of an ESFJ friend I had. We were fairly close; and he fit in with our tight knit group of a couple INTJs, INFJs, INFJ/P, and ENFJ (oh and myself as well).

He got good grades; and always had an interesting perspective but I am pretty sure he always had most of his homework done for him. He was just WAAAAY more fun than anyone else in the group.

Who are you claiming as an INTJ and who is an ESFJ?

[BlackMage]

I am pretty fun. I'll give you that. But you don't get off the hook that easily.

Hey man!!! your icon is REALLY hot!! :wub:

[BlackMage]

Who are you claiming as an INTJ and who is an ESFJ?

No claim; just a inquiry...

So; do you think there is a possibility? I do not see you as an ESFJ. You are much too tactless and not in the cool way!

[Oso Mocoso]

Who are you claiming as an INTJ and who is an ESFJ?

She said Beer reminds her of an ESFJ. That's awesome. I always knew that guy was a Sensitive Feeler.

[Delilah]

No claim; just a inquiry...

So; do you think there is a possibility? I do not see you as an ESFJ. You are much too tactless and not in the cool way!

I asked you a question, who are you claiming to be what?

Fuck tact, answer the question.


She said Beer reminds her of an ESFJ. That's awesome. I always knew that guy was a Sensitive Feeler.

She implied it without saying it.

He is all warm and cuddly isn't he?

[Rajah]

I believe INTPs concentrate more on the thought that is being conveyed; more than the way it is said. I have seen INTPs with horrible spelling and grammer; where it is obvious to me they care very much that they are getting the "truth" across. Honestly; there are many studies proving that you don't need great spelling or grammar to be understood. The human mind will fill in the blanks and correct the errors; which could be a problem in itself. If you spend too much time trying to communicate something precisely you might send people searching for hidden meaning. Mgb wasn't talking about meaning. He was talking about perception.

[Oso Mocoso]

You are much too tactless and not in the cool way!


Fuck tact, answer the question.

LOL, Delilah. :wub:

I think BlackMage might unsubscribe from your fan club mailing list.

[Delilah]

LOL, Delilah. :wub:

I think BlackMage might unsubscribe from your fan club mailing list.

Oh noes, however will I go on.

[cafe]

This is like watching cats fatten and play with a mouse. I can't decide if I'm disgusted or amused. Which probably somehow means I'm not an INFJ.

[BlackMage]

I asked you a question, who are you claiming to be what?

Fuck tact, answer the question.

Your extroverted thinking is vomiting all over the place. :(

[HilbertSpace]

Hey man!!! your icon is REALLY hot!! :wub:

It's not an icon, it's an aviator; also; you use semicolons inappropriately alot.

[Delilah]

Your extroverted thinking is vomiting all over the place. :(

It is called an extroverted bullshit sensor and you are still avoiding the question.

[BlackMage]

It's not an icon, it's an aviator; also; you use semicolons inappropriately alot.

OK COOL; lets go for a ride!

[BlackMage]

It is called an extroverted bullshit sensor and you are still avoiding the question.

INTJs are so cute!

[Oso Mocoso]

This is like watching cats fatten and play with a mouse. I can't decide if I'm disgusted or amused. Which probably somehow means I'm not an INFJ.

Nope. Obviously you are an extroverted thinker. I, on the other hand, am a sensitive feeler like mgb. And in another thread you hurt my feelings, and now I hold a grudge. For your birthday I plan on purchasing you a gift that will passive-aggressively show that I am displeased with you.

[Delilah]

INTJs are so cute!

Alright sweetie, apparently common sense isn't your first language.

You said you could type people on this site easily yet you are throwing out letters like you have the stomach flu and your last meal was alphabet soup.

Type mgb, type me, hell darlin', type us all, but say it like you mean it and stand behind it.

[mgb]

Hey man!!! your icon is REALLY hot!! :wub:

I know, and there are 5 more. The fun is never going to end.

[Oso Mocoso]

Alright sweetie, apparently common sense isn't your first language.

You said you could type people on this site easily yet you are throwing out letters like you have the stomach flu and your last meal was alphabet soup.

Wait, for you I could kinda see INTJ, actually. She just blurted it out with no justification, but it's not wildly implausible.

[Thevenin]

I believe INTPs concentrate more on the thought that is being conveyed; more than the way it is said. I have seen INTPs with horrible spelling and grammer; where it is obvious to me they care very much that they are getting the "truth" across. Honestly; there are many studies proving that you don't need great spelling or grammar to be understood. The human mind will fill in the blanks and correct the errors; which could be a problem in itself. If you spend too much time trying to communicate something precisely you might send people searching for hidden meaning.

I do find that quantifying is important for all INTPs; regardless of communication skills.

I'm an EE, so, obviously, "quantifying" (if you mean mathematics) is important to me. You can't separate Truth from Expression The only defense rationalists (most INTP's, I assume) have against the postmodern deconstructionists (e.g., Derrida, et al.) is precision and clarity of expression, both verbal and mathematical. In this "postmodern" world of new agers, "intelligent designers," and other anti-intellectuals, the only weapon is effective communication. That means using language carefully and precisely. I know you can do it. Just make believe you're in English class and you want an "A." If you never got an A in English, I recommend The Elements of Style, by Strunk and White.

[cafe]

Nope. Obviously you are an extroverted thinker. I, on the other hand, am a sensitive feeler like mgb. And in another thread you hurt my feelings, and now I hold a grudge. For your birthday I plan on purchasing you a gift that will passive-aggressively show that I am displeased with you.
If you need any ideas on what to buy me, let me know and I'll put you in touch with my mother-law. :grin:

[Delilah]

Wait, for you I could kinda see INTJ, actually. She just blurted it out with no justification, but it's not wildly implausible.

I cannot answer until the swamie answers, I wouldn't want to influence her assessment of me. This is magic here.

[Rajah]

I know, and there are 5 more. The fun is never going to end.
I'm convinced!

[mgb]

I'm an EE, so, obviously, "quantifying" (if you mean mathematics) is important to me. You can't separate Truth from Expression The only defense rationalists (most INTP's, I assume) have against the postmodern deconstructionists (e.g., Derrida, et al.) is precision and clarity of expression, both verbal and mathematical. In this "postmodern" world of new agers, "intelligent designers," and other anti-intellectuals, the only weapon is effective communication. That means using language carefully and precisely. I know you can do it. Just make believe you're in English class and you want an "A." If you never got an A in English, I recommend The Elements of Style, by Strunk and White.

In the case of Derrida, I think he did it on purpose to make a point and have some laughs at intellectuals. In his case I'll make an exceptions and still give him the respect he deserves. He isn't some useless troll on a website that just doesn't know better.

[mgb]

I'm convinced!

You are a sexy bitch. :wub:

[Titania]

Given how similar one-letter-off types are, and the high probability in double blind studies that two different tests will result in two different results (most likely 1 letter off), it's not really insightful to guess most of the people here might be INTJs or ENTPs or INTJs or what have you.

[BlackMage]

I'm an EE, so, obviously, "quantifying" (if you mean mathematics) is important to me. You can't separate Truth from Expression The only defense rationalists (most INTP's, I assume) have against the postmodern deconstructionists (e.g., Derrida, et al.) is precision and clarity of expression, both verbal and mathematical. In this "postmodern" world of new agers, "intelligent designers," and other anti-intellectuals, the only weapon is effective communication. That means using language carefully and precisely. I know you can do it. Just make believe you're in English class and you want an "A." If you never got an A in English, I recommend The Elements of Style, by Strunk and White.

I've realized no matter how effective I am at communicating my ideas; most won't bother to listen anyways. I have thought much about what you have said about the "anti" intellectuals. I spent much of my younger teenage years arguing with these people three times my age. Religion, Politics, you name it.

I'm in it for myself now and I've realized I am not going to change these people or the world in this manner. Even an INTP; with the wrong cognitive self programming could be a disaster of illogicality.

I will check out the book for interests sake, but I've always found spelling to be mostly redundant. I am able to communicate much faster in speech as my Ne works very quickly. This can also be a big problem as certain people get startled by a fast speaking pace.

I can also adapt based on with whom I am speaking; to make sure that I am able to communicate in a way in which they would understand but this makes me tired.

Written communication is only so much of the stew. I always got wonderful marks in English for my communication of ideas and zero marks in "correct" formatting. Yet rather often my work would be read in front of the class.... so I'm not so sure that being "proper" is always the best way.

Edit: Only $9.99 !!! Thank you amazon.com

[Rajah]

I'm in it for myself now and I've realized I am not going to change these people or the world in this manner. God, that's a jackass thing to say.

[BlackMage]

Given how similar one-letter-off types are, and the high probability in double blind studies that two different tests will result in two different results (most likely 1 letter off), it's not really insightful to guess most of the people here might be INTJs or ENTPs or INTJs or what have you.

I whole heartedly disagree; the functions of those types are very different. I would like to see some proof here.

[mgb]

I've realized no matter how effective I am at communicating my ideas; most won't bother to listen anyways. I have thought much about what you have said about the "anti" intellectuals. I spent much of my younger teenage years arguing with these people three times my age. Religion, Politics, you name it.

I'm in it for myself now and I've realized I am not going to change these people or the world in this manner. Even an INTP; with the wrong cognitive self programming could be a disaster of illogicality.

I will check out the book for interests sake, but I've always found spelling to be mostly redundant. I am able to communicate much faster in speech as my Ne works very quickly. This can also be a big problem as certain people get startled by a fast speaking pace.

I can also adapt based on with whom I am speaking; to make sure that I am able to communicate in a way in which they would understand but this makes me tired.

Written communication is only so much of the stew. I always got wonderful marks in English for my communication of ideas and zero marks in "correct" formatting. Yet rather often my work would be read in front of the class.... so I'm not so sure that being "proper" is always the best way.

Obviously, we're talking about erm in this case. In fact, I noticed you were spelling a lot correctly right off the bat.

Also, just because someone is 3 times older than you, it doesn't make them 3 times smarter than you. Or anyone. They could just be dumb person that made it to old age, it happens.

As you get older you're going to find out that taking your time and thinking things through is more valuable than just blurting them out as they pop in your head, and then you'll take time to type things out and understand the importance and function of language.

[Delilah]

I whole heartedly disagree; the functions of those types are very different. I would like to see some proof here.

and I would wholeheartedly like to see you answer the direct questions that have been posed to you.

[BlackMage]

Words

:gm:

[BlackMage]

Obviously, we're talking about erm in this case. In fact, I noticed you were spelling a lot correctly right off the bat.

Also, just because someone is 3 times older than you, it doesn't make them 3 times smarter than you. Or anyone. They could just be dumb person that made it to old age, it happens.

As you get older you're going to find out that taking your time and thinking things through is more valuable than just blurting them out as they pop in your head, and then you'll take time to type things out and understand the importance and function of language.

Perhaps I should clarify; I am surrounded by mostly very intelligent J's. My use of language compared to theirs is very obnoxious. I'm talking Latin majors here; and big time hams for communication in general. I wasn't saying I don't think things through and I doubt age has anything to do with it. I think more than anyone I know :happpy:

Edit: I also ordered that book; I am open to exploring possibilities

[Thevenin]

In the case of Derrida, I think he did it on purpose to make a point and have some laughs at intellectuals. In his case I'll make an exceptions and still give him the respect he deserves. He isn't some useless troll on a website that just doesn't know better.

But, Alan Sokal had the last word.

For his hoax on the pomos:

Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" (http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html)

[Titania]

I whole heartedly disagree; the functions of those types are very different. I would like to see some proof here.Decent overview (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Criticism) here. Here's an essay. (http://www.skepdic.com/myersb.html)

You've obviously not studied human behavior or statistics in any academic setting, but as psychology progresses toward demanding new theories be formed in the lab, MBTI has become even less relevant as a tool for understanding human behavior. It is not falsifiable, has very low validity on every metric especially when trying to claim it tests "functions" (which it doesn't), is not much better when you treat it as a trait test, and is generally relevant only as a curiosity of the less scientific past on the path to falsifiable descriptions actually backed up by research.

If you want to take the existence of functions as a matter of faith, that's your prerogative. But it's a-logical of you.

[Delilah]

:gm:

So, you are indeed just a sad little troll attempting to arouse our ire.

sad.

[erm]

If you want to take the existence of functions as a matter of faith, that's your prerogative. But it's a-logical of you.

They are starting to find some decent data that supports the basic functions without a direction. As well as linking temporal and frontal lobe activity to I and E (the sensitivity to data thing too). Not very solid, but significant.

Started here http://www.benziger.org/moreinformation.php and went to all kinds of places. It seems pretty consistent with other current theories of brain function.

[Titania]

They are starting to find some decent data that supports the basic functions without a direction. As well as linking temporal and frontal lobe activity to I and E (the sensitivity to data thing too). Not very solid, but significant.

Started here http://www.benziger.org/moreinformation.php and went to all kinds of places. It seems pretty consistent.I know the big five, which has some very basic correlations to some MBTI-esque traits. Introversion verses extroversion is almost certainly biological and will soon be measurable, hopefully (that is, we can look at the brain scan of an introvert and see introversion, but we can't quite look at a brain scan and say "that is an introvert" with a huge amount of faith).

I'm very very skeptical of people like Daniel Amen, and I'd want to take more than Dr. Benziger's word for the importance and validity of Dr. Benziger's research. But with titles like "Beyond Myers-Briggs: The Art of Using Your Whole Brain" on her site, I'm smelling "What the bleep Do We Know" pseudo-science strongly on this one.

[erm]

I know the big five, which has some very basic correlations to some MBTI-esque traits. Introversion verses extroversion is almost certainly biological and will soon be measurable, hopefully (that is, we can look at the brain scan of an introvert and see introversion, but we can't quite look at a brain scan and say "that is an introvert" with a huge amount of faith).

I'm very very skeptical of people like Daniel Amen, and I'd want to take more than Dr. Benziger's word for the importance and validity of Dr. Benziger's research. But with titles like "Beyond Myers-Briggs: The Art of Using Your Whole Brain" on her site, I'm smelling "What the bleep Do We Know" pseudo-science strongly on this one.

True. I do see stuff from her site elsewhere though. Her mention of the brain's communication was identical to an Alzheimer's documentary I saw. Her four corners resonated with a scientific journal on a new treatment for strokes that I read. Can't remember specifics though.

Still, she puts "Ph.D" everywhere. Not a good sign.

[thirtyshackles]

This totally made my night.

[Archvile]

It is not falsifiable,
It is falsifiable! However, it would require some form of MRI scan in order to find out whether similar MBTI types have similar 'brain-patterns' or not.
The only reason why this hasn't been done yet is because it's either too expensive, or it is too easily dismissed as unreliable.


(that is, we can look at the brain scan of an introvert and see introversion, but we can't quite look at a brain scan and say "that is an introvert" with a huge amount of faith).

Lack of technology/funding. See above.
.

[outmywindow]

It's not an icon, it's an aviator; also; you use semicolons inappropriately alot.
Alright, that's it Hilbert. Right here and now I'm having your babies. Let's go.

[Works]

Are you guys done feeding the troll or is someone ready to take it out back and shoot it?

[thirtyshackles]

Are you guys done feeding the troll or is someone ready to take it out back and shoot it?

It's too cute to shoot! :wub:

[Works]

It's too cute to shoot! :wub:

Oh, they're cute now.

http://uk.gizmodo.com/gremlin%20gizmo.jpg

But they get ugly quickly when they grow up.

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics/gremlin1.jpg

[thirtyshackles]

But they get ugly quickly when they grow up.

*throws water on BlackMage and runs for the hills*

[mgb]

Are you guys done feeding the troll or is someone ready to take it out back and shoot it?

Not until I get my analysis.

[Rajah]

Are you guys done feeding the troll or is someone ready to take it out back and shoot it?I'd suggest either OMW or Hilbert, but they appear to be occupied.

[Titania]

The only reason why this hasn't been done yet is because it's either too expensive, or it is too easily dismissed as unreliable.No. We literally do not have the technology to do so. Even if we did, it's pretty clear, the brain doesn't work with "functions." It has various centers with specialized tasks, but we will almost certainly never point to a part of the brain lit up and say "that is a function." We may point at faculty for abstraction, or preference for this stimulus or that, but we will almost certainly never find anything like "introverted sensing" on a brain scan.

[C.J.Woolf]

Just once, I'd like to see a self-identified INTP typed as INTP. The ensuing controversy might go on for a handful of posts. Who's up for it?

[outmywindow]

Just once, I'd like to see a self-identified INTP typed as INTP. The ensuing controversy might go on for a handful of posts. Who's up for it?
I'm apparently half way there. I'm afraid that might be as good as you're going to get, what with Mac's diagnosis of ENFJ, and mgb's ESFP or whatever.

[Linkage]

I'm up for it! :banana: I missed a bazillion posts since Friday!

*wants a piece of the action* ;)

[M.L.Fay]

INTP's shouldn't be petty - by definition they are open-minded and tolerant. Well, they ought to be at least.

[Twitch]

INTP's shouldn't be petty - by definition they are open-minded and tolerant. Well, they ought to be at least.

I'm going to skip over the semantic argument about what I think of the word "should" and go straight to why I believe people become so inflexible around here in instances such as this.


INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to almost anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible.

In short, someone coming here and claiming to have a better idea of who we are than we ourselves do is all but asking to be made a spectacle of.

[M.L.Fay]

...

In short, someone coming here and claiming to have a better idea ...

the better has always been the enemy of the good,

I am (not) surprised be the vehemence of resistance she encounters and don't find the discussion at all constructive - she has asked a couple of times for constructive criticism and mostly just got personal insults. Seems petty to me.

Edit: as for the principles - my principles are based on what I believe in, however these principles have to be verified time and again to be upheld.

[Linkage]

the better has always been the enemy of the good,

I am (not) surprised be the vehemence of resistance she encounters and don't find the discussion at all constructive - she has asked a couple of times for constructive criticism and mostly just got personal insults. Seems petty to me.

Edit: as for the principles - my principles are based on what I believe in, however these principles have to be verified time and again to be upheld.

Yea, it doesn't seem to be hugely constructive, I'm just interested in hearing what everyone has to say :) the thread doesn't have a great flow to it at the moment though... too much :duel: going on :happpy:

Is there going to be any more analysing? :nerd:

[Twitch]

she has asked a couple of times for constructive criticism and mostly just got personal insults. Seems petty to me.

Perhaps slightly, but unless I (and everyone else) managed to overlook it completely, by the time she asked for constructive criticism, the villagers had already sharpened their pitchforks.

[MacGuffin]

Can't disagree with ENFJs being nerdcandy sometimes, and sometimes the heart and soul of a nerdclique, but MacG being the center of our nerdclique? Eh. We kind of reject and defy organizing efforts like that.

:puppy:

[M.L.Fay]

...the villagers had already sharpened their pitchforks.

I despise the mob.

[Linkage]

Perhaps slightly, but unless I (and everyone else) managed to overlook it completely, by the time she asked for constructive criticism, the villagers had already sharpened their pitchforks.

(and prepared the stake, and switched the pitchforks for uzis) :ph34r:

[Rajah]

Just once, I'd like to see a self-identified INTP typed as INTP. The ensuing controversy might go on for a handful of posts. Who's up for it?Let's go for HilbertSpace. I think of him as the quintessential INTP.


That's right. You wanna argue about it, or somethin'?




EDIT - MacGuffin, I want to shoot your sig. :dont:

[Rajah]

I'm going to skip over the semantic argument about what I think of the word "should" and go straight to why I believe people become so inflexible around here in instances such as this.



In short, someone coming here and claiming to have a better idea of who we are than we ourselves do is all but asking to be made a spectacle of.


the better has always been the enemy of the good,

I am (not) surprised be the vehemence of resistance she encounters and don't find the discussion at all constructive - she has asked a couple of times for constructive criticism and mostly just got personal insults. Seems petty to me.

Edit: as for the principles - my principles are based on what I believe in, however these principles have to be verified time and again to be upheld.

I think everyone's losing sight of the point that nobody is offended by the typing. I'm pretty confident that MacGuffin could give two shits whether BlackMage types him as an INTP or ESFJ. It's the ridiculousness of all of it that's our focus. If she wants "constructive criticism," and we can't get past "this whole thing is bizarre and inane," then so be it.

[Twitch]

I think everyone's losing sight of the point that nobody is offended by the typing. I'm pretty confident that MacGuffin could give two shits whether BlackMage types him as an INTP or ESFJ. It's the ridiculousness of all of it that's our focus. If she wants "constructive criticism," and we can't get past "this whole thing is bizarre and inane," then so be it.

Yeah, there's that too. It's always been a nasty habit of mine to not point out what seems to me as being patently obvious, even when it may not be so clear to others.

The entire thing is quite absurd.

[bluebell]

I think everyone's losing sight of the point that nobody bluebell is offended by the typing.

FYP

:cry:





I'm offended I haven't been typed as an ESFP yet.

[Delilah]

It's the ridiculousness of all of it that's our focus.

Exactly, as in the following.


First off; don't be a baby.
.............
and I hope that this will bring a greater understanding to everyone in understanding of the INTP.

It's funny to me that s/he would come in after just a few posts, regardless of how long s/he claimed to lurk prior, assume that anyone would be offended by her "insights" and that s/he could give anyone here a better understanding of anything.
Not to mention the fact that s/he couldn't back up the assertions s/he made with anything valid.

The whole thing is silly.

[BlackMage]

It's funny to me that s/he would come in after just a few posts, regardless of how long s/he claimed to lurk prior, assume that anyone would be offended by her "insights" and that s/he could give anyone here a better understanding of anything.


Anyone without an open mind would be offended.

You guys are SO MUCH status whores; who cares "how long I've been here" that is so SJ.

[Delilah]

Anyone without an open mind would be offended.

You guys are SO MUCH status whores; who cares "how long I've been here" that is so SJ.

You have still missed the point dear, no one cares how long you have been here, it is your assumption that you know any of us better than we know ourselves in that amount of time.

[Rajah]

Anyone without an open mind would be offended.

You guys are SO MUCH status whores; who cares "how long I've been here" that is so SJ.Are you kidding me? Surely you are. What I really cared about, though, is that you indirectly asked me to verify experience and intuition. And that's not a particularly Ne request, man.

[Titania]

the better has always been the enemy of the good, Yes, they mocked Galileo, they mocked Einstein. They said they were fools.

...They also mocked fools, though. So comparatively, they had a pretty good track record.
Edit: as for the principles - my principles are based on what I believe in, however these principles have to be verified time and again to be upheld.This is called "confirmation bias."

[Rhu]

Anyone without an open mind would be offended.

You guys are SO MUCH status whores; who cares "how long I've been here" that is so SJ.
I get to have robes and a scepter and a staff of cheery underlings and a sash of merit badges and coupons for ten dollars off a visit to a spa and free shampoo and all you can eat sex buffets and sequined jumpsuits and a magical guitar that plays itself. My status is gonna be so awesome.

But only if I sell a little more candy, which is why I'm offering to take you on as a sponsor. Would you care for something sweet? Or perhaps you know someone who would accept the gift of candy? If all else fails, you can buy it and I'll eat it myself.

Pleeeeease? It's for a really reallyreally really good cause.

[Jen]

^^^^^SB, is that you?

[Rhu]

I am so not SB. You should jus--just shut up and buy some candy!

[Linkage]

I get to have robes and a scepter and a staff of cheery underlings and a sash of merit badges and coupons for ten dollars off a visit to a spa and free shampoo and all you can eat sex buffets and sequined jumpsuits and a magical guitar that plays itself. My status is gonna be so awesome.

But only if I sell a little more candy, which is why I'm offering to take you on as a sponsor. Would you care for something sweet? Or perhaps you know someone who would accept the gift of candy? If all else fails, you can buy it and I'll eat it myself.

Pleeeeease? It's for a really reallyreally really good cause.

I'm willing to buy some candy! Gief candiez! :P

[BlackMage]

The whole thing is silly.

Permission to use your BLAG to type you? You seem pretty sure you are an INTP; so I can't see why you would have an issue with it. :)


Pleeeeease? It's for a really reallyreally really good cause.

I don't need any candy; but if you have a shrink ray I would love to pay to go for a whimsical adventure through your octopie beard!

:banana: Beardly Tentacle Rape!

[Jen]

I am so not SB. You should jus--just shut up and buy some candy!


Rhu this is true. I've seen pictures and you're way hairier.

As for the candy, I cannot tell a lie. I love the stuff but I am trying cut back on sugar in hopes of keeping the waste line nice and trim. Now if you're selling cupcakes I'll take a dozen. :drool:

[Delilah]

Permission to use your BLAG to type you? You seem pretty sure you are an INTP; so I can't see why you would have an issue with it. :)

No you may not, as was stated earlier, there are things that are written there that I do not want cross posted here.
I have 1000's of other posts that are not in members only areas so have at it princess.

[C.J.Woolf]

BlackMage, I blame you for MacGuffin's obnoxious sig. Yes, you! :dont:

[BlackMage]

No you may not, as was stated earlier, there are things that are written there that I do not want cross posted here.
I have 1000's of other posts that are not in members only areas so have at it princess.

What if I was to only use your blog; and post whatever I found in that private entry?

[Delilah]

What if I was to only use your blog; and post whatever I found in that private entry?

I really don't care, and I mean that, but keep in mind you are really hurting mgb's feelings by ignoring him in this way.

[M.L.Fay]

...This is called "confirmation bias."

No, it's not. Why would you say that ? I find it's merely a rather vague statement as to how I derive and maintain my principles.

[Rhu]

Rhu this is true. I've seen pictures and you're way hairier.

I don't need any candy; but if you have a shrink ray I would love to pay to go for a whimsical adventure through your octopie beard!
I don't know. I had a louse once tell me that it was going to go on a solitary adventure across the vast, hairy landscapes of my back. I'm sure you could imagine my surprise that, not only was the traveler not solitary as he said, but eventually they decided they weren't simply traveling amongst the lush, black-trunked trees of the jungles upon my skin.

"We're here to raise a family!" they chirped enthusiastically. Their young love sprouted dozens of progeny, who themselves dug in and traced incestuous paths across my skin.

When a delegation of their number climbed into my ear to whisper of starting a proper government on this new city-state of Rhutonia, I could only sputter, sadly, and declare that I and my skin were to be divorced for ever.

As far as I know, my skin and the colony thereupon flourishes to this day. I ceased even considering to visit the covering organ after I got fitted with a fine replication, all in plastics and fiberglass. It's lighter, and I'm lighter, more spry. But I'm still wary of passengers. Still afraid of losing it all again. You understand, I hope.



As for the candy, I cannot tell a lie. I love the stuff but I am trying cut back on sugar in hopes of keeping the waste line nice and trim. Now if you're selling cupcakes I'll take a dozen. :drool:
Look, for the last time, I'm not stuffing my candy in your cupcakes. It's against the law.

[Rajah]

I don't need any candy; but if you have a shrink ray I would love to pay to go for a whimsical adventure through your octopie beard!

:banana: Beardly Tentacle Rape!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9eNOlVOHyo)

[Linkage]

I don't know. I had a louse once tell me that it was going to go on a solitary adventure across the vast, hairy landscapes of my back... etc.


I haven't laughed this hard in ages xD my boss thought I was choking :theclap: bravo! :grin:

[Rajah]

I haven't laughed this hard in ages xD my boss thought I was choking :theclap: bravo! :grin:It's Rhu. You'll get used to it. ;)

[BlackMage]

I don't know. I had a louse once tell me that it was going to go on a solitary adventure across the vast, hairy landscapes of my back. I'm sure you could imagine my surprise that, not only was the traveler not solitary as he said, but eventually they decided they weren't simply traveling amongst the lush, black-trunked trees of the jungles upon my skin.

"We're here to raise a family!" they chirped enthusiastically. Their young love sprouted dozens of progeny, who themselves dug in and traced incestuous paths across my skin.

When a delegation of their number climbed into my ear to whisper of starting a proper government on this new city-state of Rhutonia, I could only sputter, sadly, and declare that I and my skin were to be divorced for ever.

As far as I know, my skin and the colony thereupon flourishes to this day. I ceased even considering to visit the covering organ after I got fitted with a fine replication, all in plastics and fiberglass. It's lighter, and I'm lighter, more spry. But I'm still wary of passengers. Still afraid of losing it all again. You understand, I hope.



Look, for the last time, I'm not stuffing my candy in your cupcakes. It's against the law.



Hmm; Is this coming from Ni?... you are highly amusing! I give you five stars!
:theclap:

[Rhu]

Hmm; Is this coming from Ni?... you are highly amusing! I give you five stars!
:theclap:

I found that story on a piece of paper that I got out of an old boot, so I did. Well, part of that story was in the boot, at least.

By the time I finally extracted it, the damned thing smelled like old salt and decomposing rubber, so I stuck it in my mouth and chewed for a while. By the time it came out again, half the page was a smear of saliva and I had to kinda make up a few words here and there.

I must have stitched it together completely seamlessly. Praise the Great Old Ones.

[BlackMage]

I really don't care, and I mean that, but keep in mind you are really hurting mgb's feelings by ignoring him in this way.

Psh; MGB knows he is awesome! I can feel it. I started some observations and what not as well.

[outmywindow]

In reference to the typing seminar going on in Delilah's blog:

Much like the rest of your post is to me, you have decided that I am INTJ and you are using a few chosen comments to bolster your preconceived notion.
Exactly. BM (heh, 'bowel movement') is reverse engineering her proof, forcing it to fit the hypothesis as opposed to allowing it to synthesize one. Given a large enough sample size, virtually any result can be 'proven' via the data at hand, simply because statistical anomalies exist in any lab controlled experiment or study, not to mention the words, thoughts, and ideas of a human being.

If you've ever watched TBN or any other Christian network, BM, I'm sure you've seen the programs in which people choose bits and pieces of established science, taking it out of context and claiming it proves and/or corroborates items in the Bible. Discussing surface tension, buoyancy, viscosity, and the fact that certain insects can sit on the surface of a still pond, it does not follow from a scientific standpoint that Jesus walked on water.

[Delilah]

In reference to the typing seminar going on in Delilah's blog:

Exactly. BM (heh, 'bowel movement') is reverse engineering her proof, forcing it to fit the hypothesis as opposed to allowing it to synthesize one. Given a large enough sample size, virtually any result can be 'proven' via the data at hand, simply because statistical anomalies exist in any lab controlled experiment or study, not to mention the words, thoughts, and ideas of a human being.

If you've ever watched TBN or any other Christian network, BM, I'm sure you've seen the programs in which people choose bits and pieces of established science, taking it out of context and claiming it proves and/or corroborates items in the Bible. Discussing surface tension, buoyancy, viscosity, and the fact that certain insects can sit on the surface of a still pond, it does not follow from a scientific standpoint that Jesus walked on water.


Pretty damn smart for an IN.......what are you again?;)

[Rhu]

...Discussing surface tension, buoyancy, viscosity, and the fact that certain insects can sit on the surface of a still pond, it does not follow from a scientific standpoint that Jesus walked on water.
It does if he was wearing mini kayaks on his feet.

[Linkage]

It does if he was wearing mini kayaks on his feet.

I think we should also discuss the nature of the water he was walking on. Did they mention if it was frozen? (Plus, a pond by definition is not the same as.. a lake.. or.. the sea.. or whatever it was he walked over) :ph34r:

[outmywindow]

I think Rhu's on a roll today. :highfive:

[Rhu]

I think we should also discuss the nature of the water he was walking on. Did they mention if it was frozen? (Plus, a pond by definition is not the same as.. a lake.. or.. the sea.. or whatever it was he walked over) :ph34r:
Quite right. He could have also ground up the hooves of swine to a fine powder, dumped them in a lake or pond and waited for the chilly winter night to settle over the landscape, turning his body of water into Jello.

Jello, of course, is perhaps as miraculous an idea as walking on water is, though it might be considered something of a minor deception by those who didn't understand the jiggly goodness of what the Christ had at his feet.

Jesus was, if nothing else, a tricky bastard.

[BlackMage]

In reference to the typing seminar going on in Delilah's blog:

If you've ever watched TBN or any other Christian network, BM, I'm sure you've seen the programs in which people choose bits and pieces of established science, taking it out of context and claiming it proves and/or corroborates items in the Bible. Discussing surface tension, buoyancy, viscosity, and the fact that certain insects can sit on the surface of a still pond, it does not follow from a scientific standpoint that Jesus walked on water.

Yeah I watch CSPAN; unfortunately they actually have people willing to debate with them instead of just name-call and troll. If you read the thread; I told her I would gladly analyze anything of her choosing. Going on these things that you are saying; Do you mean that if something "may not be" you should not try and all?

[Delilah]

Jesus was, if nothing else, a tricky bastard.

Now I want to have your hairy, louse ridden babies.:wub:

[BlackMage]

Pretty damn smart for an IN.......what are you again?;)

You are not insinuating that INT's in general are smarter than INFJ's? Are you?

[Delilah]

You are not insinuating that INT's in general are smarter than INFJ's? Are you?

No, that's Hustler's job, I was insinuating that OMW is smarter than you.

No, wait, now I am stating as fact that OMW is a lot smarter than you.

[BlackMage]

No, that's Hustler's job, I was insinuating that OMW is smarter than you.

No, wait, now I am stating as fact that OMW is a lot smarter than you.

WOW; and without knowing ME!
:) you are a big paradox.... but reading your contradictions is kinda making me ill; my Si can't handle this shit

[outmywindow]

Yeah I watch CSPAN; unfortunately they actually have people willing to debate with them instead of just name-call and troll. If you read the thread; I told her I would gladly analyze anything of her choosing. Going on these things that you are saying; Do you mean that if something "may not be" you should not try and all?
But, I suspect you would have her supposed type so firmly situated in your mind that you would be able to twist virtually post presented to you as some manifestation of said type in one way or another. You are essentially telling us to "pick a card, any card!" which is hardly scientific and shows a distinct lack of openmindedness with regards to your audience.

I think you'd make a fantastic evangelist were you able to find a willing enough congregation. Unfortunately, this place does not provide it.

[Delilah]

WOW; and without knowing ME!
:) you are a big paradox.... but reading your contradictions is kinda making me ill; my Si can't handle this shit

Well that's what we INTJs do isn't it?

I already told you about the semi-colon thing or did you forget?

[Rhu]

Now I want to have your hairy, louse ridden babies.:wub:
I told you, I had that replaced! Plastic and fiberglass, you know?

The last I saw it, some elderly matron bought the the whole puddle of flesh and gave it as a present to her eldest granddaughter.

To say I was shocked and scandalized when I saw a four-foot-tall creature scampering about with a sagged version of what was once my face, making exaggerated slapping sounds with every footfall as she sang in her tiny child's voice while dancing circles about me in that fur-covered costume was so disconcerting that I briefly had an out of body experience before I simply passed out.

When I came to, the child had dragged me to a play room and I was surrounded by various dolls, all staring at me. After the previous harrowing episode, their fixed plastic features could only be seen as a mockery of my own recently renovated face.

So it was that her mother found me, with tears streaming down my face. The woman frowned sourly and announced that she had to change my diaper.

[Delilah]

I told you, I had that replaced! Plastic and fiberglass, you know?

The last I saw it, some elderly matron bought the the whole puddle of flesh and gave it as a present to her eldest granddaughter.

To say I was shocked and scandalized when I saw a four-foot-tall creature scampering about with a sagged version of what was once my face, making exaggerated slapping sounds with every footfall as she sang in her tiny child's voice while dancing circles about me in that fur-covered costume was so disconcerting that I briefly had an out of body experience before I simply passed out.

When I came to, the child had dragged me to a play room and I was surrounded by various dolls, all staring at me. After the previous harrowing episode, their fixed plastic features could only be seen as a mockery of my own recently renovated face.

So it was that her mother found me, with tears streaming down my face. The woman frowned sourly and announced that she had to change my diaper.


Will you marry me?

[outmywindow]

Will you marry me?
Who knew this thread would be hook-up city? You and Rhu, me and HS...

[thirtyshackles]

Technically, only White Mages have the Scan spell.

And in my opinion, you're actually a Jack-of-all-trades Red Mage, but are ill content with the perception that goes along with it of incompetence and end-game uselessness, and are thus masquerading as a Black Mage.

It's all so clear to me.

[Linkage]

Ooo can I be a green mage? I want summon animal companion :D

[thirtyshackles]

Ooo can I be a green mage? I want summon animal companion :D

No such thing. You're thinking of a Blue Mage, which can learn monster techniques, or maybe a druid (the closest of which in Final Fantasy has been the Geomancer.) Bartz had a non-combat Chocobo companion (Boco,) and Shadow had a dog (Interceptor,) but other than that the only substitute I can think of is summons (which tend not to be animals, but rather mythical-beasts.)

[Rhu]

Will you marry me?
Ask me again when my trembling subsides.

Look, living with me isn't exactly going to be an easy life. You understand that, don't you? I didn't until I got the sense that a part of me was missing. Now that I have that sense, even simple things have become strangely uncertain.

Just yesterday, I went to great difficulty to put on an old pair of boots. There was a strange piece of paper in them, for starters, and... well, they didn't quite fit properly. I asked myself repeatedly while trying various lubricants and shoehorns, "What's the point? My feet are nearly as strong as steel and more supple than leather!"

I was learning that appearances are important. I had to put on those boots, any boots, just to make the pointing stop. Some of the pointing, at least. Am I even alive, anymore? Or am I just putting on a performance?