Worst Excuse for a Human Being

[songbird36]

Sorry Boo I stole your idea (and am bored).

So here it is. Nominations for the worst human being alive (and why).

PS - No-one on this forum can be included!

[Lee]

Ken Livingstone - British politician, many may think I am being overly harsh in calling this man the worst excuse for a human being ever! but I don't (notice how I added "ever" as if to make my point jus that littlle more powerful).

[Serotonin]

Stalin. 20 million killed under his rule.

[Serotonin]

Mao Zedong not far behind.

[Star]

Pat Robertson, my god I want to punch things when I think about that rat bastard. :rant:

He's a televangelist who actually tried to run for president of the United States.

[songbird36]

Osama?

Debateably alive..

[booyalab]

hmmmm. Well, I cant think of any specific contenders off-hand, but I know what the worst human being would be like. stupid AND evil.

My favorite children's book was entitled "The Worst Person in the World". by James Stevenson It was about a grumpy old man who would eat lemons for breakfast ,but thought they were too sweet, and hit flowers with his umbrella when he went on walks and avoid his neighbors so he wouldnt have to talk to them.

[songbird36]

What about the couple from Roald Dahl's "The Twits"?

They were pretty vile (but fictional of course)..

[Lee]

The guy who invented the cigarettes - I just hate the smell and I have a very sensitive sense of smell.
Adolf Hitler - Obvious reasons, somebody had to bring him up.
Mother Teresa - For extending the life of all those suffering people just when they were going to die anyway, how evil.

[Utopmk]

My favorite children's book was entitled "The Worst Person in the World". by James Stevenson It was about a grumpy old man who would eat lemons for breakfast ,but thought they were too sweet, and hit flowers with his umbrella when he went on walks and avoid his neighbors so he wouldnt have to talk to them.

In a messy old house lived a grumpy, unhappy old man. The man hated birds, flowers, and children. He never wanted to be around other people and he surely did not want any friends.

One day the man met the ugliest creature in the world.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/yurduhzeez3/WorstPersonintheWorldrevise.jpg

[songbird36]

Mother Teresa - For extending the life of all those suffering people just when they were going to die anyway, how evil.

lol.

That's a *very* non-linear response. I'm impressed Lee..

:lol:

[Lee]

What about the couple from Roald Dahl's "The Twits"?

They were pretty vile (but fictional of course)..

mmmm......bird pie.

[booyalab]

In a messy old house lived a grumpy, unhappy old man. The man hated birds, flowers, and children. He never wanted to be around other people and he surely did not want any friends.

One day the man met the ugliest creature in the world.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/yurduhzeez3/WorstPersonintheWorldrevise.jpg

yes! someone knows it :D

oh..
and he also listened to old records that he didnt like.

[songbird36]

Well I'm not going to wait for another 10 posts before detecting a pattern here.

Boo - our vilest villians are assuredly all men with bad taste in music..

[Lee]

Boo - our vilest villians are assuredly all men with bad taste in music..

uugh...intpcentral.com's resident INTJ over zealous feminist gets her claws out once more.

*runs and hides*

[booyalab]

Bach's Toccata & fugue in D minor is a classic villain-esque song, but I think it's great. I guess if the villain hated the song, that would be fine..also funny, if maybe he made it his life's goal to find and kill the one who made it.

[jimkopelli]

The person who invented CD shrink wrap.
*shudder*

[songbird36]

The person who invented Playstation..

[Lee]

The person who invented Playstation..

Playstation is what got me through childhood, well part of it anyway.

[songbird36]

Playstation is what got me through childhood, well part of it anyway.

It's what's getting most kids through these days.

Hence they become an imagination and creativity free zone...

[booyalab]

It's what's getting most kids through these days.

Hence they become an imagination and creativity free zone...
at least they'll have improved spatial ability and problem solving skills
http://www.geocities.com/sofar08/vidgames_quick.html

[Lee]

It's what's getting most kids through these days.

Hence they become an imagination and creativity free zone...

What are you saying? :thelook:

I think playing playstation is far better for them and more intellectually challenging than TV. Ofcourse most games released are shit and mindlessly repetitive and easy, but there are many very good games out there, challenging, clever games. I do not like the majority of movies, but you will not here me say "all movies are crap".

[songbird36]

OK I'm not buying into another argument.

Y'all can think what you like about it - I'll think what I like..

:lol:

[booyalab]

OK I'm not buying into another argument.

Y'all can think what you like about it - I'll think what I like..

:lol:

I agree with you that kids do that shit too much, actually. I just wanted to present the other side of it.
The best memories I have as a kid were the least sedentary and most creative activities, like playing games outside with my friends, building stuff, making stuff, going new places, etc. You dont get misty-eyed over remembering sitting on your ass and staring at the tube.

[songbird36]

Thank you Boo.

I live in a low decile area here and the kids are all glued to Playstation after school all afternoon while their parents are otherwise engaged in "grown up" things.

I am probably the only parent at my sons' school who refuses to buy one for them..

[booyalab]

That's weird, because throughout much of elementary school my dad didnt even let us have a TV, let alone video games, for the same reasons you dont let your sons have playstation.. Though we had a computer. I wonder if my dad is an INTJ after all.

[Lee]

Y'all can think what you like about it - I'll think what I like..

:lol:

ahh..The age old sign that a mind is closed to reason in favour of long held prejudices, oh well never mind....we all are like that sometimes.:p (well not me)

[songbird36]

ahh..The age old sign that a mind is closed to reason in favour of long held prejudices, oh well never mind....we all are like that sometimes.:p (well not me)

Yeah this is one of the few things I am closed minded about (and also not prepared to defend my POV right now).

Sorry...

[Lee]

Yeah this is one of the few things I am closed minded about (and also not prepared to defend my POV right now).

Sorry...

I can't be arsed to argue it anyway, not interesting enough right now :)

[Edmond Zedo]

I think someone with a bad case of Downe Syndrome and a bad case of digestive gas would qualify. "What are you even DOING here?! Get a job! And you stink!"

[Sackanaka]

:rofl: oboy

[Shai Gar]

Stalin. 20 million killed under his rule.

Mao Zedong not far behind.

both are amongst my various role models. though for different reasons than they had people killed.

Keith Windschuttle - Sydney anti intellectual
Dr. Joseph Goebbels - Director of the Nazi Propaganda Ministry who orchestrated the Book Burnings

and this next bit i am judging based on the Nuremburg laws.

Truman - He organized a major counter-insurgency campaign in Greece which killed off about one hundred and sixty thousand people, sixty thousand refugees, another sixty thousand or so people tortured, political system dismantled, right-wing regime. American corporations came in and took it over.

Eisenhower - His overthrow of the government of Guatemala was a crime. There was a CIA-backed army, which went in under U.S. threats and bombing and so on to undermine that capitalist democracy.

Kennedy - The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression. After the invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels, sinking fishing boats, sabotage. And then came Vietnam; he invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the U.S. Air Force to start bombing.

Johnson - The Indochina war, don't forget the invasion of the Dominican Republic, it was a major war crime.

Nixon - He invaded Cambodia. The Nixon-Kissinger bombing of Cambodia in the early '70's was not all that different from the Khmer Rouge atrocities, in scale somewhat less, but not much less. Same was true in Laos.

Ford - He supported the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which was near genocidal. I mean, it makes Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait look like a tea party. That was supported decisively by the United States, both the diplmatic and the necessary military support came primarily from the United States.

Carter - As the Indonesian atrocities increased to a level of really near-genocide, the U.S. aid under Carter increased. It reached a peak in 1978 as the atrocities peaked.

Reagan - There is no question. I mean, the stuff in Central America alone suffices. Support for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon also makes Saddam Hussein look pretty mild in terms of casualties and destruction.

Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr as well.

I think you could make a pretty strong War Crimes case if you look at the Nuremberg decisions, Nuremberg and Tokyo, and you ask what people were condemned for. I think American presidents are well within the range.

there, those are my "worst excuses for human beings"

[PsiKik]

Disturbing list SG, agree.

I would add Karl Rove, Bush's political advisor. An insidious amoral man.

Dickhead Cheney, an amoral businessman who uses political office to enrich himself and his pals in their boys club regardless of the longterm consequences to the rest of us.

[Serotonin]

Keith Windschuttle - Sydney anti intellectual

Oh Yeah. "The Tasmanian Aborigines did not use their land effectively so they were not entitled to it. White Settlers were justified in moving in". Blegh. No. Who's to say we use the land the best?

Why are we still having this debate post-Wik? Keating was arrogant but he still put some good legislation through.

[Shai Gar]

:) an american who agrees with me :)

[Geoff]

Bach's Toccata & fugue in D minor is a classic villain-esque song, but I think it's great. I guess if the villain hated the song, that would be fine..also funny, if maybe he made it his life's goal to find and kill the one who made it.

There's a tendency to wear velvet and a cape, and lurk around with drippy candles if you are the sort of villain that likes that piece of music. Which I do!

-Geoff

[Geoff]

It's what's getting most kids through these days.

Hence they become an imagination and creativity free zone...

I think it has a place in the right childhood. it is a question of balance. I was a computer 'kid' (pre Playstation of course, oldie that I am). And I balanced that with spending time with my friends. I can see how for some kids it could satiate their desire for creativity. I suppose all you can do is encourage them to take up the 'old fashioned' things like reading (I grew up on Tolkien etc) and also spend time with their friends, but let them play a few games. I particularly see little harm in allowing them to spend time on a console with some friends - it teaches them interaction. Which isnt a bad thing if there is a trend for a kid to borrow their parent's introversion. Perhaps keeping the 'solitary' game play under control is the key.

-Geoff

[Geoff]

:) an american who agrees with me :)

Good job there arent any...

-Geoff

[Shai Gar]

says the pom

[MacGuffin]

Stalin
Mao
Hitler
Pol Pot
Saddam
Kim Jong II
Steve Guttenberg

[Thermo]

My vote is the pope. How many people can say they are wiping out Africa by forbidding condom use encouraging the spread of AIDS, protected a pedophile scandal that goes back at least forty years across the globe, discriminate against women and homosexuals, demanding a 10% tithe on everything, forbidding you to masterbate, and all the while claim they are infallible at the same time and by the way you can't eat meat during lent.

I am also surprised a board of atheists didn't pick Jesus or some other religious figure so far.

[songbird36]

Well Mother Teresa got a vote..for saving people :lol:

[melancholeric]

My vote is the pope. How many people can say they are wiping out Africa by forbidding condom use encouraging the spread of AIDS,
Consider the population growth. On the long run, that's probably far worse than AIDS. The pope's opinion on birth control is not helping with that either.

I am also surprised a board of atheists didn't pick Jesus or some other religious figure so far.
I don't have anything against Jesus, just his fanclub. Including the pope.

Still, he's not getting my vote. Since members of this board are excluded, I am not voting.

[C.J.Woolf]

I am also surprised a board of atheists didn't pick Jesus or some other religious figure so far.
It's not the holy men and women who cause all the trouble, it's their less than holy followers. I'm an agnostic and I admire Jesus.

On edit: melancholeric beat me to it.

[crule81]

I thought this was the worst person currently alive.

If that's so, I vote for Stevie Nicks. Fleetwood Mac represents everything bad about rock n' roll and her voice is like nails on chalkboards. Since I am mature, whenever they come on the radio when I'm in someone else's car, I put my hands over my ears and let out a constant scream until the station is changed.

[jyakulis]

http://www.amiannoying.com/(1hhdcmeadc4lrw55fdjjqmak)/collection.aspx?collection=3734

This is cool.....I still think it's bull shit william hung cracked the top 15. He's downright hilarious.

[MacGuffin]

William Hung is a joke, and I have read about more than one Asian person embarassed by the stereotype he embodies.

[Shai Gar]

Stalin
Mao
Hitler
Pol Pot
Saddam
Kim Jong II

oh fine, just insult the people I happen to like. btw who is Steve Guttenberg, i dont like google atm

[MacGuffin]

oh fine, just insult the people I happen to like. btw who is Steve Guttenberg, i dont like google atm
Oh so your post on post-WWII presidents was complimentary!

I get it now!

[Storm]

Well , the worst people alive were probably : Stalin (as said earlier he had twenty million Russians killed) , Hitler (obviously) , Bush (again obviously) ... and most religious extremists

basically most evil people were either «politicians» or «religious» people ...

[mgb]

Right now I would say the noisy guy that lives above me is the worst excuse for a human being. Inconsiderate fucker.

[booyalab]

Well , the worst people alive were probably : Stalin (as said earlier he had twenty million Russians killed) , Hitler (obviously) , Bush (again obviously) ... and most religious extremists

basically most evil people were either «politicians» or «religious» people ...

Agreed.

Stalin and Hitler killed enough people to form a new continent. Bush looks so unfashionable wearing cowboy attire and once said "misunderestimated".

[mgb]

Bush looks so unfashionable wearing cowboy attire and once said "misunderestimated".

And that whole Iraq and Afghanistan thing.

Stalin and Hitler thought they were right too.

[MacGuffin]

Afghanistan needed to be invaded.

[Seraph]

I can't decide on human being, but for "Worst Excuse for a Female," I'm gonna go with the Countess Elizabeth Bathory, also known as the woman who is rumored to have bathed in the blood of young women to keep herself beautiful. Oh, but she was so much worse than that. She girls she killed numbered in the dozens (she may have very well hit triple digits), and her aristocracy prevented her from being charged for it for a ridiculously long time. The woman was an out-and-out sadist who delighted in finding new and bizarre ways of torturing and murdering girls. She kidnapped peasant girls and beat them to death, pounded their faces til the bones broke, burned their bodies, cut their flesh and forced them to eat it, forced needles through their skin, froze them to death by pouring water on their naked bodies in the dead of winter, and yes, even forced some of them to have lesbian sex with her. Evidently doing the dirty with Bathory didn't help you out much; depending on her mood, she sometimes killed her favorite sexmates. She was one sick bitch, and no, her punishment when she was finally apprehended wasn't that bad, thanks to her aristocratic blood. She was simply holed up in a room in her mansion and fed regularly until she died of old age. So much for justice.

There are a number of men who were more sadistic than Bathory, but for the feminine side of the fence, she takes the cake.

[booyalab]

And that whole Iraq and Afghanistan thing.

Stalin and Hitler thought they were right too.

OK, so Bush is worse than the ones killing the innocent civilians and those who didn't let Afghani women get educated? Looks like my value system requires a drastic upheavel.

[Shai Gar]

booyalab. the people in iraq and afghanistan are about 99% innocent. you have been manipulated into thinking they are terrorists because they live in a nation. (not even i think US kids are terrorists)

those people who didnt let the afghan women get educated were very very good friends of the bush family, the taliban once were guests at the bush family ranch. though let us not also forget that the taliban were put in place by the US government and supported for quite a few years (right up until 2001/9) both in the UN and financially with aid packages.

certainly stalin and hitler killed a lot, we must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. and it is a matter of public record that the US installs and supports or just supports (chiang kai shek) the most subversive regimes in the world.

and the whole keeping the south and central american client... you know what? dont start me on this. i have two weeks where i am not supposed to insult anyone so i dont want to break this.

[booyalab]

booyalab. the people in iraq and afghanistan are about 99% innocent. you have been manipulated into thinking they are terrorists because they live in a nation. (not even i think US kids are terrorists)

those people who didnt let the afghan women get educated were very very good friends of the bush family, the taliban once were guests at the bush family ranch. though let us not also forget that the taliban were put in place by the US government and supported for quite a few years (right up until 2001/9) both in the UN and financially with aid packages.

certainly stalin and hitler killed a lot, we must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. and it is a matter of public record that the US installs and supports or just supports (chiang kai shek) the most subversive regimes in the world.

and the whole keeping the south and central american client... you know what? dont start me on this. i have two weeks where i am not supposed to insult anyone so i dont want to break this.


99%? I think it could possibly be more like 90% or maybe 99.5%. In any case, I dont know how what you're saying relates to what I said in any measure.

Just because governments practice diplomatic measures with each other and just because Michael Moore says someone is friends with someone else, doesnt make it so.

We prioritize our enemies. It's called political strategy and could only be called hypocrisy if time travel was possible.

[mgb]

OK, so Bush is worse than the ones killing the innocent civilians and those who didn't let Afghani women get educated? Looks like my value system requires a drastic upheavel.

Not worse, on the same level because he is killing innocent civilians not to mention Afghani women.

[Lee]

Not worse, on the same level because he is killing innocent civilians not to mention Afghani women.

Why do people attribute to Bush the characteristics of your average suicide bomber. Although some of what the Bush goverment has done has resulted in similar consequences as those of a fanatical islamic stance, I think it is important to remember what either camps eventual goal is and thier motivations behind thier actions. I know which ideology I would rather back, even if it isn't perfect.

They are not on the same level!

[melancholeric]

I can't decide on human being, but for "Worst Excuse for a Female," I'm gonna go with the Countess Elizabeth Bathory, also known as the woman who is rumored to have bathed in the blood of young women to keep herself beautiful. Oh, but she was so much worse than that. She girls she killed numbered in the dozens (she may have very well hit triple digits), and her aristocracy prevented her from being charged for it for a ridiculously long time. The woman was an out-and-out sadist who delighted in finding new and bizarre ways of torturing and murdering girls. She kidnapped peasant girls and beat them to death, pounded their faces til the bones broke, burned their bodies, cut their flesh and forced them to eat it, forced needles through their skin, froze them to death by pouring water on their naked bodies in the dead of winter, and yes, even forced some of them to have lesbian sex with her. Evidently doing the dirty with Bathory didn't help you out much; depending on her mood, she sometimes killed her favorite sexmates. She was one sick bitch, and no, her punishment when she was finally apprehended wasn't that bad, thanks to her aristocratic blood. She was simply holed up in a room in her mansion and fed regularly until she died of old age. So much for justice.

There are a number of men who were more sadistic than Bathory, but for the feminine side of the fence, she takes the cake.
According to Straight Dope (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_131.html), she killed about 600. (610 victims were found listed in a notebook in her room).

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory), 20-2000, depending on source. Her guilt has never been proven though.

Fascinating, isn't it?

[songbird36]

Well , the worst people alive were probably : Stalin (as said earlier he had twenty million Russians killed) , Hitler (obviously) , Bush (again obviously) ... and most religious extremists

basically most evil people were either «politicians» or «religious» people ...

The official figure for Stalin's around 17 million. 6 million for Hitler. 1 million for Pol Pot.

Then there's Rwanda (the Hutus) which included 250,000 women and female children raped, and Milosevic (Bosnia) around 100,000 ethnic Albanians slaughtered.

What about Idi Amin? Does anyone have any figures for him?

[Claverhouse]

The official figure for Stalin's around 17 million. 6 million for Hitler. 1 million for Pol Pot.

Then there's Rwanda (the Hutus) which included 250,000 women and female children raped, and Milosevic (Bosnia) around 100,000 ethnic Albanians slaughtered.

What about Idi Amin? Does anyone have any figures for him?
Let's be frank: soviet communism all in all is roughly supposed to have been responsible for 60 million deaths, which proportion occurred under Stalin is problematic; however, those not in love with the idea of one great figure being responsible may remember Solzhenitsyn's words: 'Are we to suppose that Stalin and Beria made all the handcuffs themselves ?' It was a mass movement mobilising the whole democracy: under the same precepts of marxist-leninist belief, even if Stalin had died in 1918, the same outcome would have occurred. The whole utopian apocolyptic belief-system of judeo-bolshevism was predicated on the fact that the unworthy, whether opposing or just faint-hearted, had to die for the Workers' Paradise to come.

The nazi crimes were mainly war-related ( eg: unlike the communists who killed night & day, year in year out, whether at war or not ), and involved like the communists, mass shooting and intensive slave labour. For the separate 'Holocaust', most people believe that there were 6 million jews murdered, plus 5 million others, mainly in the camps. So 6 million is nearly doubled.*

However about 45 - 50 million died in WWII, and the whole event can't be blamed on one man, whether Hitler, Stalin or anyone else.

Cambodia: the communists were supposed to have killed half the population of the country, until stopped by the Vietnamese communists invading. It is very doubtful.

Ex-Yugoslavia. Actually, all sides seemed quite as bad as each other. I don't care for the Serbs, but Clinton bombing them didn't seem the neatest answer. Bismarck would have callously let them fight it out until they stopped.

Amin: no idea. Except that a/ according to a neighbour, he had good reason to expel the asians from Uganda --- apparently, in central Africa asians play much the same part as the jews did ( only not the slave trading... naturally ), own the shops, money-lend etc. b/ The idea that he, or Bokassa, actually kept bits of human in the refrigerator does seem to smack a little of the fine old British Propaganda Mill ( 'The Best in the World !' ) with extra-added racialism.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


* I'm not going into this subject: but I do thank heaven each day that most people actually believe all this traditional stuff. A world where everyone had a critical faculty and rejected propaganda from the state might be intellectually superior but would be truly terrifying to live in; just like anarchy.

[Seraph]

According to Straight Dope (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_131.html), she killed about 600. (610 victims were found listed in a notebook in her room).

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory), 20-2000, depending on source. Her guilt has never been proven though.

Fascinating, isn't it?

I was just going by the number of corpses they found. The notebook might be legit, but they weren't able to match up each name to a corpse, and I'd rather understate her psychotic evil than overstate it.

Either way, 2,000 seems a bit high!

[Lee]

Vlad the Impaler was a nice chap.

[Shai Gar]

Let's be frank: soviet communism all in all is roughly supposed to have been responsible for 60 million deaths,
i think you will find there never was communism in the USSR, just socialism

[ApeTheDog]

If being the worst human being by proxy is possible: Jesus. More crimes have been commited in his name than in that of any other person that lived.

[coffeezombie]

I think Hitler is the obvious choice. There has been plenty of genocide throughout human history, but the premeditation and precision in which he and his regime carried out his crimes against humanity are unequaled.

[Shai Gar]

already commented upon. jesus was one of earths greatest men. his followers are rabid psychopaths.

[Claverhouse]

i think you will find there never was communism in the USSR, just socialism
Obviously. They never pretended otherwise: according to the Holy Books communism is the objective; necessarily preceded by the period of socialist endeavour. Nonetheless, they were communists, since only communists can lead the Proletariat to the goal that the Mass wants ( even if it doesn't know it ), acting as the Vanguard.

However judeo-bolshevism as entrenched was eventually, particularly after NEP, state-capitalism. Trotsky, who certainly would make some claim to the laureate of this thread*, was very clear on this.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


* Although he already claims the title of Most Boring Human of All Time; partly for his theories; his life; his writings; and not least for his indirect creation of the Neo-Cons.

[INTerloPer]

Pope John Paul II. He is the worst person because he continues to spread hate and lies from a respected position in a supposedly civilized time.

[Arioch]

Pope John Paul II. He is the worst person because he continues to spread hate and lies from a respected position in a supposedly civilized time.

But... don't so many do the same thing?

[Shai Gar]

ohh, good one
he is responsible for the aids continuing. all he would have to do is say use condoms and i condone it, and aids would clear up VERY quickly. probably within only 10 years

[Arioch]

ohh, good one
he is responsible for the aids continuing. all he would have to do is say use condoms and i condone it, and aids would clear up VERY quickly. probably within only 10 years

Except that rapists rarely use condoms and it doesn't prevent Aids from non-sexual means of being transferred.

Although I must say that it would help greatly.

[Shai Gar]

not everyone who has sex outside of the western world is a rapist. or buying it from a prosititute. you elitist scum :)

[Claverhouse]

Pope John Paul II. He is the worst person because he continues to spread hate and lies from a respected position in a supposedly civilized time.
Yeah, it's terrible to hear him ranting away screaming hatred against muslims and jews and calling all the time for the final crusade to utterly destroy his enemies.

After which he lolls back in comfort like Nero, laughing madly at all the great riches heaped before him, and tucks into babies for lunch.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS