NonSexual things i hate about the users of this forum

[Shai Gar]

you are all fucking retards.

you are here in an MBTI type based forum that acknowledges that emotional people are due to their F and that logical people are due to their T and yet you stupid bloody morons can carry on a fucking pissweak argument that women are all emotional and men are better because they are not. or that men are uncaring bastards and women are better because they are emotional.

fuck the lot of you. can you not see that whether or not you are male or female has little to do with your personality? just as age has little to do with the amount of knowledge or wisdom a person has? am i the only logical person here? it seems so. because i can make the correlation of being accused of plagarism simply because people do not expect males my age to be profound, or wise with the fact that they are SP or SJ and i am an INTP who values and spends more time in study and reflection then they would have at my age. perhaps MGBRADSH was right, perhaps i do not need PCness because i hold you all in contempt for being petty creatures who cannot rise above the stereotypes enforced by ignorance and bigotry of our society.

grow the fuck up. i dont even see the need for a gender studies, if anything this forum should be in flamethrower where the threads can be seen for what they truly are. jokes.

it must be because i am male.

[Shai Gar]

everything before that last line was serious. the last line was a bit of levity

[Eileen]

I agree with you (Except that I do see the potential for a good use of the gender studies forum). I just joined in the conversation in "good fun," as it were.

[Shai Gar]

certainly. to rant on the opposite sex when we get rejected, or something like that. but that is it. everything else could go easily into The Local Pub

[Geoff]

I agree with you (Except that I do see the potential for a good use of the gender studies forum). I just joined in the conversation in "good fun," as it were.

Well, a free flowing discussion is bound to bug some people. I see the gender studies as worthwhile, but the reality of much of these types of thread is pretty pointless! SG has the right of it.

Must be because I am male, too.

-Geoff

[spirilis]

Perhaps it's because you're a troll :)

[Shai Gar]

no, i have Troll threads. they are in the flamethrower forums. this was put here because i believe that the shit that has been going on in the gender wars forums is contemptous

[melancholeric]

Shai, now that you mentioned nonsexual things...

Are there any sexual things you hate about the users of this forum?

[Shai Gar]

not really, to each their own.

[Dunearhp]

People need somewhere to vent their sexual tension. Ignore it if you don't like it.

I never thought women were particularly hard to understand, but then I never thought that people were in general. I gave up expecting everyone to be rational a long time ago.

These people share their type, not their priorities.

Edit: "These people" does include me.

[MacGuffin]

What I hate about some members of this forum is they identify themselves as INTP yet could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives.

[cjs55]

I somewhat disagree. I think that even different genders of the same type, for whatever reason (nature/nurture), are usually different (in categorizable fashion). Obviously now you can't speak in absolutes (other than penis sheathes), but in my experience this has been the case.

One thing about INTPs: Often times, we 'know' (or, obviously, think we know) something due to to our intuition, and then have to figure out how to explain it. Some people are more developed in the former than the latter.

And that's basically the sort of thing I just did above.

[euterpenc]

As I said on the other thread, men are different from women. Quit your goddamn bitching. If people think a certain way, let them think, and stay the hell out of their business. You don't wanna hear it, ignore it.

[waxwing]

Hm. I think I may have missed the coherence of your argument because you employed several sterotypes to counter sterotypes you've observed on this forum. I'm assuming that was your point, though.

On some level, I do understand what you are trying to say. However, I cannot see a logical reason to call people retards. I cannot see what is so logical about calling yourself logical in one breath and then not even sounding remotely logical in the next. Please. I work with retards, literally. That word seems unintelligent and counterproductive used in any way; at least choose a different word. Sorry, but it just annoys me. If this makes me sound like a "feeler," I don't give a shit. I think, I feel, I act, and I exercise will. I'm more interested in seeing how I can achieve some greater connection as an autonomous human being expected to interact in the universe.

I do not think that nearly all of the threads in this forum are useless. True. Some women are more emotional than some men. But, clearly, some men are also more emotional than some women. Personally, I dont gravitate towards discussions such as the ones you've mentioned, but that really is not the point.

Type logic is not everything. Gender isn't either. Even so, can't we use both of them in conjuntion to abstract and eventually arrive at some form of truth? I think that we all are at least somewhat aware that truth is multi-faceted and outcomes, multi-causal. If we are not aware, then what's so wrong with using the forum to grow in understanding of personality, relationships -- global and local -- and the essense of truth?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but where's the logic in name-calling, typecasting, and making value judgments all over the place? Is that part of some new-age reason? To be unreasonable? Oh, okay. Gotcha. Let people feel, dammit. Let them vent. Let them think out loud, making logical arguments and an occasional illogical one. The only ones who end up sounging strikingly irrational are those who can't admit when they've had a lapse in logic.

[Lee]

Shai Gar, I am not sure what you seek to achieve in this thread, if people want to talk about gender differences and similarities then let them, it should not bother you. There is little or no point in getting emotional about these things and posting rants, just listen to others views, post your views, discuss specifics if appropriate and move on.

Why would you get so annoyed with others like this, quit being so emotional.

[minger223]

As someone who is bi, I have a lot of sympathy for what you're sayin'.

[Vagabond]

What I hate about some members of this forum is they identify themselves as INTP yet could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives. At last someone said it...

Shai Gar makes a point that, even though the MBTI correlates emotionality with F and rationality with T, some people here keep correlating emotionality with femininity and rationality with masculinity, while at the same time, they *also* accept the MBTI. Which you do realise, would mean something like females=F, males=T. So maybe all of us NT women on this board should start questioning if we got our gender right. People are not talking about gender differences (except for Elro's thread), they are bitching at their opposite gender. So overall, we keep making personality distinctions based on our gender and not our type; which kind of defeats the purpose of claiming you are of a certain type... you are not rational because you are INTP, it's because you are a man. And I'm not rational because I am INTP either... I must be a man and haven't realised it too.

[songbird36]

Thermo and Tragula seem determined to stereotype women of whatever MBTI persuasion into the category of waffly, emotional and needy creatures.

I haven't seen anyone else doing it explicitly.

[booyalab]

Thermo and Tragula seem determined to stereotype women of whatever MBTI persuasion into the category of waffly, emotional and needy creatures.

I haven't seen anyone else doing it explicitly.

I know dammit, :( .......I need them to stop or I might cry!!!!!!!

[Geoff]

I know dammit, :( .......I need them to stop or I might cry!!!!!!!

Wow, I thought you were CC for a minute then :whistle: ;P :whistle: ;P

-Geoff

[booyalab]

I think that would have looked more like......

:angry:

I know DAMMIT!!!!:( :rant:
I need them to stop or I might cry!!!!!!!!!!!!! :devil: :P
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRrRrrRRRrrrrggggGGGGGHHHHhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geoff]

I think that would have looked more like......

:angry:

I know DAMMIT!!!!:( :rant:
I need them to stop or I might cry!!!!!!!!!!!!! :devil: :P
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRrRrrRRRrrrrggggGGGGGHHHHhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you have been possessed.. are you sure you cant imagine her out of the corner of your eye looking over your shoulder? :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

-Geoff

[MacGuffin]

What I hate about some members of this forum is they identify themselves as INTP yet could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives.
At last someone said it...
I'm glad someone else noticed it too.

I really have to swallow the phrase "Are you sure you're INTP?" so many times because it is bad form to question others like that. But I want to do it so often.

Take Claverhouse for example. I damn near disagree with him on everything. But I never question his reasoning. He quite clearly lays it out and you can follow his thinking from A to B to C. I just come to different conclusions and weigh evidence differently.

There is just a difference between throwing a wild ass assertion out there as a "what if?" (which all INTPs love to do - brainstorming) and believing that wild ass assertion is the truth without backing it up with something - anything.

[songbird36]

you are all fucking retards.


SG if you call me a fucking retard one more time I'll come over to Tannum Sands and flog your sorry little arse from there to Indonesia.

PS - This is not a threat, it's a promise.

[coffeezombie]

I'm glad someone else noticed it too.

I really have to swallow the phrase "Are you sure you're INTP?" so many times because it is bad form to question others like that. But I want to do it so often.


Some people here might be thinkers but would rather not put the time into a good, logical argument and instead just act like asses because they think it's funny and gets them noticed. I think the way to tell the feelers is that they usually have some kind of "strongly empathic" response on a thread eventually.

[MacGuffin]

Some people here might be thinkers but would rather not put the time into a good, logical argument and instead just act like asses because they think it's funny and gets them noticed. I think the way to tell the feelers is that they usually have some kind of "strongly empathic" response on a thread eventually.
That kind of behavior (if done all the time) makes me think of ISTPs.

[prometheusdestroyed]

I hate all the INTP posing. It often sounds to me like a child in the playground trying to be logiclal to make himself sound clever, when that is not the same thing at all.

Surely if someone "is" an INTP then they are poorly developed.







I really have to swallow the phrase "Are you sure you're INTP?" so many times because it is bad form to question others like that. But I want to do it so often.
Please do challenge me. It would be a relief if someone could point me in another direction.

[booyalab]

I dont really care what personality people are or aren't. I care whether their arguments hold together, and I think stupidity is sufficiently represented in every type.

[coffeezombie]

That kind of behavior (if done all the time) makes me think of ISTPs.

Oh yeah. I never said there weren't ISTPs who think they are INTPs on this board. Heh heh. It's just that people assume that the only confusion problem here is that INFPs think they are INTPs. ISTPs have very sharp minds, of course, they just usually choose to use them in different ways than we do.

[MacGuffin]

Please do challenge me. It would be a relief if someone could point me in another direction.
Sorry, you sound like an INTP!

[Sackanaka]

I am sorry, Shai Gar and the rest of the INTP Central community, for being such a fucking retard.

[MacGuffin]

I am sorry, Shai Gar and the rest of the INTP Central community, for being such a fucking retard.
Now we're getting somewhere!

[mgb]

you are all fucking retards.



Is it off topic to tell you guys that I for one have never had sex with anyone who is mentally handicapped?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think this thread applies to me at all.

[booyalab]

It probably doesn't apply to anyone when you consider that it's in present tense.

[Lee]

It probably doesn't apply to anyone when you consider that it's in present tense.

Maybe, but maybe not :whistle:

[booyalab]

Maybe, but maybe not :whistle:

I read this ^ then for whatever reason my eye darted to the left where it says your location....now I'm scared.

[Lee]

I read this ^ then for whatever reason my eye darted to the left where it says your location....now I'm scared.
Scared of what? being retarded?

[booyalab]

Scared of what? being retarded?
that, among other things.

[booyalab]

It's too bad that we can't even keep the 'non-sexual' threads out of the sexual realm.

[Lee]

that, among other things.

such as?

[booyalab]

such as?

you know, stuff..

[Dunearhp]

Is it off topic to tell you guys that I for one have never had sex with anyone who is mentally handicapped?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think this thread applies to me at all.

I for one would like to welcome our new retard fucking overlords.



Normally I wouldn't, but this thread seemed lost already.

[booyalab]

I for one would like to welcome our new retard fucking overlords.



Normally I wouldn't, but this thread seemed lost already.

you seem to suggest that it ever had a chance in hell.

[Lee]

you know, stuff..
Oh yeah, I understand, stuff... :whistle:

[Shai Gar]

well at least some members have managed to stay on topic. this was, is, about the morons who equate emotions with females and logic with males. that sort of sexism offends me deeply.

also, this thread has nothing or little to do with the use of this "Gender Wars" sub forum.

heh, yes the intentional misspelling, :)

and i would like to thank everybody for coming out and seeing what this thread truly is, an opportunity for everybody to attempt to attack me and not to realise what morons people have been for equating F with F and T with M. really, you have made this thread worthwhile and a great place to become enlightened as to your actions. no really.

[booyalab]

Equating Feeling with female and Thinking with male isn't sexism, it's stereotyping. Sexism is hostility derived from negative associations with gender stereotypes. Stereotypes have some basis in reality. ( that's not to say that sexist comments have basis in reality, for the more illogical among us)

[Lee]

http://www.brainplace.com/bp/malefemaledif/default.asp

Shai Gar...read this.

Yes it speaks in avareges and yes, there are exceptions to the rules but that does not take away the fact that women are more likely to be F's and men more likely to be T's.

[Shai Gar]

stereotyping based on gender is sexism.

and i dont care if women are more likely to be F's and males T's. it doesnt take away from what i think is the real issue here. people lumping everyone of the same gender into the same boat based on sex. when in this forum most people are t

[Star]

What I hate about some members of this forum is they identify themselves as INTP yet could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives.

Is there no such thing as a stupid INTP?

I think we need a non-intp witch hunt. Pick me, pick me.

[mgb]

http://www.brainplace.com/bp/malefemaledif/default.asp

Shai Gar...read this.

Yes it speaks in avareges and yes, there are exceptions to the rules but that does not take away the fact that women are more likely to be F's and men more likely to be T's.

I think your site might be a little suspect.

Here is a quote from the Dr. Amen site that connects to the Brainplace site.

"Sex on the Brain
What are these soft, sultry creatures called women? Why do they tempt us so? Dr. Daniel Amen in Men's Health Magazine."

Even science can give contradictory information. As well, the information given wasn't logically difinitive. It never says that ALL men have a thicker Corpus collosum.

[MacGuffin]

What I hate about some members of this forum is they identify themselves as INTP yet could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives.Is there no such thing as a stupid INTP?
Sure, but they would at least try to make a logical reasoned argument and fail at it.

[booyalab]

stereotyping based on gender is sexism.

and i dont care if women are more likely to be F's and males T's. it doesnt take away from what i think is the real issue here. people lumping everyone of the same gender into the same boat based on sex. when in this forum most people are t

The technical definition of stereotype has no negative connotations. Sexism, and other prejudices HAVE negative connotations. Therefore gender stereotyping is not synonymous with sexism.

I think you've been taking some of the threads you're referring to too seriously. Zedo's Nonsexual things I like about men thread, for instance, was almost entirely in jest. Aside from that, I'm sure most people here understand that there are biochemical differences among men and women of the same personality type, but not so much that there would be any discrimination towards the INTP women here. (or men for that matter)

[Shai Gar]

i just dont like it. that sort of attempt at dislodging equality through use of differences shits me off.

[booyalab]

Show me examples of people attempting to dislodge equality through use of differences. I dont believe it.

[Bluehaze]

Alas, peer pressure has forced me to post this:

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

[booyalab]

haha yes :D

[Lee]

I think your site might be a little suspect.

Here is a quote from the Dr. Amen site that connects to the Brainplace site.

"Sex on the Brain
What are these soft, sultry creatures called women? Why do they tempt us so? Dr. Daniel Amen in Men's Health Magazine."

Even science can give contradictory information. As well, the information given wasn't logically difinitive. It never says that ALL men have a thicker Corpus collosum.

The site could be a load of rubbish, I did not check it through fully, but the point stands that women (on avarege) have different neurophysiology to men and as a result are more emotional, this is caused by all sorts of evolutionary factors.

[MyOwnNeighbor]

Oh, I am loving this forum.

[booyalab]

I think there might be some discrepancy in people's definitions of the word "emotional". It doesn't have to mean an irrational outburst. When Lee used it, for instance, it was a neutral description of a woman's better developed emotional center. I think the only way you can assume that people are being sexist when they say 'women are more emotional' is if you have innate negative associations with the word emotional.

[Star]

I've been thinking that the source of all these gender wars might be that all of the -male- INTPs are T's, or what society expects them to be, while all of the -female- INTPs are also T's, which is not what society expects of them. So the male INTPs probably feel more, uhm, in tune with social norms while the female INTPs feel more rebellious or more like outsiders. Put the two together in a gender forum and it goes boom.

INTP males: fairly normal people
INTP females: iconoclasts

[Geoff]

I've been thinking that the source of all these gender wars might be that all of the -male- INTPs are T's, or what society expects them to be, while all of the -female- INTPs are also T's, which is not what society expects of them. So the male INTPs probably feel more, uhm, in tune with social norms while the female INTPs feel more rebellious or more like outsiders. Put the two together in a gender forum and it goes boom.

INTP males: fairly normal people
INTP females: iconoclasts

That's funny you say that, a female INTP friend of mine emailed me this afternoon and said effectively, "Did you know that as an INTP male you are more normal, and that I am seen as some sort of iconoclast?"

So I think you might be right

It certainly fits the pattern here.

-Geoff

[Lee]

I've been thinking that the source of all these gender wars might be that all of the -male- INTPs are T's, or what society expects them to be, while all of the -female- INTPs are also T's, which is not what society expects of them. So the male INTPs probably feel more, uhm, in tune with social norms while the female INTPs feel more rebellious or more like outsiders. Put the two together in a gender forum and it goes boom.

INTP males: fairly normal people
INTP females: iconoclasts

Well, how do strawberry jams feel about it?

[mgb]

I've been thinking that the source of all these gender wars might be that all of the -male- INTPs are T's, or what society expects them to be, while all of the -female- INTPs are also T's, which is not what society expects of them. So the male INTPs probably feel more, uhm, in tune with social norms while the female INTPs feel more rebellious or more like outsiders. Put the two together in a gender forum and it goes boom.

INTP males: fairly normal people
INTP females: iconoclasts

I don't know. By society's definition, it seems like the perfect person is extroverted, sensing, thinking and on time for everything because they are so well organized (for men) and extroverted, sensing, feeling and J or P for women. When I think of a magazine style power couple, it is usually an ESTJ man and an ESFJ woman, or some artsy ESFP trophy wife.

So it might be that any deviations from "society's norms" that make someone feel more and more isolated.

[mgb]

The one thing I have noticed in all my MBTI research is that there are no male and female classifications for each type. They just go by type. So I agree with Shai Gar that adding those classifications really has no place here.

[booyalab]

The one thing I have noticed in all my MBTI research is that there are no male and female classifications for each type. They just go by type. So I agree with Shai Gar that adding those classifications really has no place here.

Gender's irrelevant then? So why do we have a gender studies forum?

[mgb]

Gender's irrelevant then? So why do we have a gender studies forum?

Have I said, "And that's why we need a gender studies forum," before.

[SensEye]

That's funny you say that, a female INTP friend of mine emailed me this afternoon and said effectively, "Did you know that as an INTP male you are more normal, and that I am seen as some sort of iconoclast?"

So I think you might be right

It certainly fits the pattern here.

-GeoffA little forum history for you all. The "Gender Studies" forum was originally called Women's Issues (or maybe Women's Studies, I can't recall exactly). It was created not to talk about girlish things but rather to discuss the issues relating to the female intp having a more difficult go of integrating into society than even the male intp.

As time progressed though, the males were as active in the subforum as the females, and there was also a bit of reverse sexism hue and cry (minor really) and so it was renamed.

And so that is why we have a gender studies forum.

[booyalab]

A little forum history for you all. The "Gender Studies" forum was originally called Women's Issues (or maybe Women's Studies, I can't recall exactly). It was created not to talk about girlish things but rather to discuss the issues relating to the female intp having a more difficult go of integrating into society than even the male intp.

As time progressed though, the males were as active in the subforum as the females, and there was also a bit of reverse sexism hue and cry (minor really) and so it was renamed.

And so that is why we have a gender studies forum.

So one might say that gender is, in fact, not totally irrelevant. interesting.

[Star]

A little forum history for you all. The "Gender Studies" forum was originally called Women's Issues (or maybe Women's Studies, I can't recall exactly). It was created not to talk about girlish things but rather to discuss the issues relating to the female intp having a more difficult go of integrating into society than even the male intp.


That makes perfect sense to me and I'm all for changing it back that way.

[Vagabond]

So one might say that gender is, in fact, not totally irrelevant. interesting. In regards to how society perceives and treats male and female Thinkers no, indeed it isn't.

[prometheusdestroyed]

I think that I can tie all the threads together here and conclude that men are from Mars and Women are from Venus without ruffling any feathers

[SensEye]

I think that I can tie all the threads together here and conclude that men are from Mars and Women are from Venus without ruffling any feathersI used to think so, but now I think it might be more a case of T's are from Mars and F's are from Venus.

Of course, it is not that cut and dried. Each gender is still shaped by their various biological differences as well as involvement with their closest peers (generally of the same sex) and the gender roles as defined by society.

Still, I have mistaken many of the INTP women here for men on occassion when I had no pre-knowledge of their gender. Some of them think amazingly like me at times. At such moments, they don't seem Venusian at all.

[Shai Gar]

I used to think so, but now I think it might be more a case of T's are from Mars and F's are from Venus.
exactly, though esfj's are from uranus

[s0978]

Equating Feeling with female and Thinking with male isn't sexism, it's stereotyping. Sexism is hostility derived from negative associations with gender stereotypes. Stereotypes have some basis in reality. ( that's not to say that sexist comments have basis in reality, for the more illogical among us)
I disagree. I often use the 2nd definition of "sexism:"

Main Entry: sex·ism
Pronunciation: 'sek-"si-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: 1sex + -ism (as in racism)
1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sexism
When it starts feeling hostile, I call it "misogyny."

I'll admit I've gotten too touchy here at times, but I get cranky mostly when:

...some members ... could not make a logical reasoned argument to save their lives.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[CreativeChaos]

Originally Posted by Shai Gar
you are all fucking retards.

I am NOT a fucking retard. :angry: I made a 40% on the emotional IQ exam. That's a HELL of a lot better than you guys can do.

[mgb]

I am NOT a fucking retard. :angry: I made a 40% on the emotional IQ exam. That's a HELL of a lot better than you guys can do.

Been hanging on to that for a couple days hey?

[Phenylethylene]

I really have to swallow the phrase "Are you sure you're INTP?" so many times because it is bad form to question others like that. But I want to do it so often.


Feel free to do it to me. Sometimes I wonder about being INTP myself and have spent a lot of time considering the issue, but no other profile fits me so well. If I say something that would give you cause to think I that am another type, I would like to hear your thoughts.

[CreativeChaos]

Been hanging on to that for a couple days hey?

Heh! Na! I don't get angry. I just get hurt. You guys are the ones who keep ranting and pissing and hating. I got exactly the info I was looking for. Like I said, fewer posts, less emoticons, less fluff, more serious.

Is this a fluff or serious thread?


Oh, and I hate ranting. And all the negative stuff that goes on here. It that supposed to be logic? It's not. It's a lot of negative emotions. Why are you guys so negative? I tried to post positive stuff. My idealistic self was trying to say, that "you catch more flies with honey".

Is hate, and ranting, and going on about what you hate, and who you hate, and why you hate them, and what to fuck, and giving the finger,

LOGIC!?!?!?!

No, it's negative emotions. Period. You guys just need some :wub:. You drive me nuts. Literally. All this negativity.

Why?

Because you are INTPs? Give me a break! (all caps)

INFPs have the same problems of growing up feeling wierd and alien. And they are kind and generous and sympathetic.

What's your excuse? (all caps, angry face)

Oh, what the fuck. :angry:

[booyalab]

as I said in another thread, shai gar has a bug up his butt. As for me, I know I appear crankier on here than I am. I know this because people are always telling me that I am but I havent felt cranky because of anything on the forum since Edwin was banned.

[Phenylethylene]

FWIW, CC, I am also suprised by the amount of negativity. When I first arrived, I expected much more neutrality, but perhaps I was projecting.

[mgb]

Heh! Na! I don't get angry. I just get hurt. You guys are the ones who keep ranting and pissing and hating. I got exactly the info I was looking for. Like I said, fewer posts, less emoticons, less fluff, more serious.

Is this a fluff or serious thread?


Oh, and I hate ranting. And all the negative stuff that goes on here. It that supposed to be logic? It's not. It's a lot of negative emotions. Why are you guys so negative? I tried to post positive stuff. My idealistic self was trying to say, that "you catch more flies with honey".

Is hate, and ranting, and going on about what you hate, and who you hate, and why you hate them, and what to fuck, and giving the finger,

LOGIC!?!?!?!

No, it's negative emotions. Period. You guys just need some :wub:. You drive me nuts. Literally. All this negativity.

Why?

Because you are INTPs? Give me a break! (all caps)

INFPs have the same problems of growing up feeling wierd and alien. And they are kind and generous and sympathetic.

What's your excuse? (all caps, angry face)

Oh, what the fuck. :angry:

I think you are saying that it's bullshit we act this way because we are INTPs but that all INFPs are sunshine and roses. Take a look at rants and raves. A couple more of those threads from ohno and everyone here is going to start watching the news to see if someone named James gets his head blown off.

Are we negative? Sure, it's how we have fun. It's part of the reason not many people get us and we need our own forum. Of all the negative logical fights I've had on here, only a couple people have made it onto my ignore list and most of them weren't INTPs.

[CreativeChaos]

I think you are saying that it's bullshit we act this way because we are INTPs but that all INFPs are sunshine and roses. Take a look at rants and raves. A couple more of those threads from ohno and everyone here is going to start watching the news to see if someone named James gets his head blown off.

Are we negative? Sure, it's how we have fun. It's part of the reason not many people get us and we need our own forum. Of all the negative logical fights I've had on here, only a couple people have made it onto my ignore list and most of them weren't INTPs.


Really? Gee. It's how you have fun? Why do you keep saying how you hate each other. Why are there so many wars? I can understand the negative logical fights, but a lot on here is negative emotions. Pure emotion.

What is logical about that? It's alogical.

An ohno is not the INFP norm. Take a look at the INFP site and you will see no rant section at all. I think she is very unhappy. I noticed her posts when I first got here. Here rants are more of a cry for you to give her advise to give her sympathy. And you do give it, don't you?

I haven't read much of her posts, so I don't know the ins and outs of her relationship problems or whatever. But I say she is not ranting in the same manner you guys are. She is obviously hurt.

You guys are just MEAN! :devil: (Joking, and baiting, Haa!)

And sorry, I have to go. I've promised not to stay on. I must watch a movie. My boss has warned me for the second time to stay off the internet and these forums at work. So I must break the habit.

So, I REALLY, REALLY, hate to insult and run, but I must. (I also promised to post less).

[Geoff]

Really? Gee. It's how you have fun? Why do you keep saying how you hate each other. Why are there so many wars? I can understand the negative logical fights, but a lot on here is negative emotions. Pure emotion.




A lot on here is pure emotion? You dont really get us as a type at all!

-Geoff

[Shai Gar]

this thread = pure love

[ApeTheDog]

A lot on here is pure emotion? You dont really get us as a type at all!

-Geoff

The same is true vice-versa. I think you have to give CC credit for trying to figure us out. She talks about logic, and about how she thinks we see things, much more than we do about how she interprets the world.

[CreativeChaos]

The same is true vice-versa. I think you have to give CC credit for trying to figure us out. She talks about logic, and about how she thinks we see things, much more than we do about how she interprets the world.

Thank you for the vote of confidence ApeTheDog. This is my intent here. To understand type. I also had this vision of uniting all Ns. There are so few of us, I just though we would affect the world better if we all united.

Oh well. Maybe that was just an INFP idealistic pipe dream.

And not to argue against you ApeTheDog, just looking at this from the INTP perspective. It IS their site after all. They are not looking to understand NFs. They just want a site for NT discussion. It is not necessary, nor do I ask that they understand me.

It is ---I--- who is here trying to understand them.

So, you honestly can say, that all of the argueing, ranting, calling each other names, is NOT emotion? Then why I have seen some people say their feelings are hurt? Why are you all so against feeling? This is perplexing. You MUST have feelings.

[MacGuffin]

So, you honestly can say, that all of the argueing, ranting, calling each other names, is NOT emotion? Then why I have seen some people say their feelings are hurt? Why are you all so against feeling? This is perplexing. You MUST have feelings.
We do. We just don't handle them well and consequently try to deny we have them.

Of course, I am very nearly an INFP myself.

[cjs55]

Most of the name calling is between certain INTPs and other types, although occasionally some INTPs are touchy on certain subjects, and can lash out. As a general rule I think most of us dislike that sort of thing (I personally find it a weakness and is contrary to the pursuit of knowledge).

[songbird36]

CC is absolutely right. The fights that do occur on here are highly emotional and are purely about ego defence, as much as anyone might like to pretend otherwise.

[mgb]

Thank you for the vote of confidence ApeTheDog. This is my intent here. To understand type. I also had this vision of uniting all Ns. There are so few of us, I just though we would affect the world better if we all united.

Oh well. Maybe that was just an INFP idealistic pipe dream.

And not to argue against you ApeTheDog, just looking at this from the INTP perspective. It IS their site after all. They are not looking to understand NFs. They just want a site for NT discussion. It is not necessary, nor do I ask that they understand me.

It is ---I--- who is here trying to understand them.

So, you honestly can say, that all of the argueing, ranting, calling each other names, is NOT emotion? Then why I have seen some people say their feelings are hurt? Why are you all so against feeling? This is perplexing. You MUST have feelings.

This isn't really the site to learn about INFPs. So if I learn something about an INFP here, great, but it's not why I am here. I would go to the INFP site for that.

And you are wrong about NT discussion. I think we want INTP discussion. Which is much different from the discussion of other NT types, or so I have noticed.

As for name calling. Strategy. I really enjoy getting into to big heated discussion about this and that. I prefer to do it with an INTP because the way we communicate with each other is seemingly more playful.

I'll take MacGuffin for example. We argue all the time. I have fun doing it. He even kicks my ass some of the time. I mean, he totally had me on the alogical thing. I'm not going to give in easily though. And even though he totally had me I don't think it ever got down to insulting each other. It was just playful. Us arguing about things being alogical or the existance of God aren't going to change the world, or the way either of us think about it. Booyalab and I go after each other all the time. But we still chat about stuff on PMs all the time. We can have a gigantic pissing contest, even get into name calling and not be serious at all.

Think of it like this, bears fighting. To someone bears fighting looks really dangerous. They have their teeth and claws out and they are just huge and strong and could kill each other in seconds. Someone walking by my freak out and try and stop it, at which point the bears would turn on them. In reality, the bears are probably brother and sister just screwing around for the fun of it. They can get aggressive they might even hurt each other a bit, but in the end they know it was just playing and get over it.

I guess that might be hard for a non-INTP to understand. But it's the way I feel. Others might disagree.

[C.J.Woolf]

CC is absolutely right. The fights that do occur on here are highly emotional and are purely about ego defence, as much as anyone might like to pretend otherwise.
Me and my shaaaadow... </singing> :whistle:

I also agree.

[songbird36]

Just as well we do have INFJs to see through all the BS that goes on here..

lol

[Geoff]

CC is absolutely right. The fights that do occur on here are highly emotional and are purely about ego defence, as much as anyone might like to pretend otherwise.

Some might be. Not me. I dont get emotional at this stuff. Maybe that is why I get a bit, well bored when people just entrench themselves and stop listening.

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Some might be. Not me. I dont get emotional at this stuff. Maybe that is why I get a bit, well bored when people just entrench themselves and stop listening.

-Geoff

You got pretty emotional on my "Old Souls" thread. I guess everyone has an "F" day eh?

:lol:

[MacGuffin]

I'll take MacGuffin for example. We argue all the time. I have fun doing it. He even kicks my ass some of the time. I mean, he totally had me on the alogical thing.
Man, I'm saving that one.

[mgb]

Man, I'm saving that one.

Yeah I figured you'd like that :p

I think it's lack of understanding to say that INTPs are all ego and only fight to prove that one ego is bigger than another.

From way above, I also wonder if some people aren't actually INTPs on here.

[songbird36]

Well you know I'm not Mgbradsh (although I think you have me on Ignore so probably won't see this).

Most of the arguments on here which turn nasty and personal are all about defence of fragile egos. CC is absolutely right to the extent that she implies this.

[booyalab]

I actually try to use sarcasm and my sense of humor in the midst of arguments to lighten people up. "Look, I'm trying to have fun here.." But I think it backfires and people ignore my points and just focus on the style and assume I'm resorting to being angry and mean..when I'm trying to appear LESS mean . I know mgbradsh gets me though :P
The arguments between him and me are an example of how you can act "negative" and have fun at the same time.

[Geoff]

You got pretty emotional on my "Old Souls" thread. I guess everyone has an "F" day eh?

:lol:

Emotional? Not in the slightest!

-Geoff

[songbird36]

I actually try to use sarcasm and my sense of humor in the midst of arguments to lighten people up. "Look, I'm trying to have fun here.." But I think it backfires and people ignore my points and just focus on the style and assume I'm resorting to being angry and mean..when I'm trying to appear LESS mean . I know mgbradsh gets me though :P
The arguments between him and me are an example of how you can act "negative" and have fun at the same time.

I'm assuming he hasn't told you to fuck off and leave him alone in a private message then..

:lol:

[Geoff]

I actually try to use sarcasm and my sense of humor in the midst of arguments to lighten people up. "Look, I'm trying to have fun here.." But I think it backfires and people ignore my points and just focus on the style and assume I'm resorting to being angry and mean..when I'm trying to appear LESS mean . I know mgbradsh gets me though :P
The arguments between him and me are an example of how you can act "negative" and have fun at the same time.

It took me a little while to 'get' you and realise that there was no anger, just occasionally, well, overly 'firm' arguing. I get you now, though. And enjoy a well thought out, hmm overly firm argument.

-Geoff

[MacGuffin]

Fuck you all!!!!






Wait, am I being negative?

[Geoff]

Fuck you all!!!!






Wait, am I being negative?

Dont be so emotional ;)

-Geoff

[booyalab]

I'm assuming he hasn't told you to fuck off and leave him alone in a private message then..

:lol:

There's an understanding between the two of us that we know the other person isn't getting offended. I love that freedom, btw, knowing that people wont get bogged down with some perceived tone on my part. *hint hint!* It's more entertaining...although it's too much to ask from everyone.
"because everyone's different" tralalala! and so on and so forth

[booyalab]

Dont be so emotional ;)

-Geoff

Dont be so polite :angry:

[Geoff]

Dont be so polite :angry:

You ornery old bat ;P

-Geoff

[booyalab]

You ornery old bat ;P

-Geoff
that's more like it..

[mgb]

I'm assuming he hasn't told you to fuck off and leave him alone in a private message then..

:lol:

Uhh, you're the only one I've done that to, because well, you just don't get it and I doubt you ever will if you haven't gotten it yet.

edit:

here is a smiley to make it look some big huge joke :) haa ha ha h....

[waxwing]

I like arguing and debating as long as the person I am arguing with understands that I don't mean any harm. In the end, no verbal attacks are actually deeply personal attacks. I've made the mistake of talking philosophy (in the real world) with some people who very obviously took my comments personally. To them, the philosophy I pondered was comparable their very personal religious beliefs. Just an example. I go away from those arguments a bit dumbfounded but mostly a little guilty for offending someone I cared for.

In the forum, I often hesistate to go at it with people. I simply do not know you guys. If I were confident that we could both (or all) try to be objective without getting our feelings hurt, I'd do it, no doubt. I've met some beautiful NFs and some beautiful NTs. Our search for meaning bonds us; our expression of that search often sets us apart.

[Geoff]

I like arguing and debating as long as the person I am arguing with understands that I don't mean any harm. In the end, no verbal attacks are actually deeply personal attacks. I've made the mistake of talking philosophy (in the real world) with some people who very obviously took my comments personally. To them, the philosophy I pondered was comparable their very personal religious beliefs. Just an example. I go away from those arguments a bit dumbfounded but mostly a little guilty for offending someone I cared for.

In the forum, I often hesistate to go at it with people. I simply do not know you guys. If I were confident that we could both (or all) try to be objective without getting our feelings hurt, I'd do it, no doubt. I've met some beautiful NFs and some beautiful NTs. Our search for meaning bonds us; our expression of that search often sets us apart.

And I thought I was a diplomat, actually hesitating to argue a point strongly because of a concern you might hurt feelings, that's very F of you. Feel the love :).

Me, I know when I take a point strongly that sometimes I am winding up the other person, but I am very rarely annoyed - a little frustated perhaps if I am against a brick wall. Occasionally a little bit, well, intense in the heat of the debate. But largely I am an unemotional soul (if I have one)

-Geoff

[songbird36]

Uhh, you're the only one I've done that to, because well, you just don't get it and I doubt you ever will if you haven't gotten it yet.

edit:

here is a smiley to make it look some big huge joke :) haa ha ha h....

Don't get what exactly? That you and Zedo hate me for some unknown, inscrutable reason?

Perhaps because I have opinions you don't always agree with? That's not good enough reason to hate someone.

[Eileen]

Whee. Same argument, different thread!

[mgb]

Don't get what exactly? That you and Zedo hate me for some unknown, inscrutable reason?

Perhaps because I have opinions you don't always agree with? That's not good enough reason to hate someone.

See this is the problem. You take "dislike" and turn it into "hate" with no logical foundation for doing so.

Since you have decided to air this publically, welcome to the wrath.

I strongly dislike you because you just don't get it. It's like you are retarded (sorry waxwing, mentally challenged) or something. Like CC, you seem to be ok with generalizing about INTPs, saying that we are all ego driven pompous asses, without being able to comprehend why we do something despite being explictly told why we do something. You are stupid enough to say this to the faces of 700 or so INTPs too.

Has it never occured to you that we like being this way? That we aren't ego driven we just like to squabble? And that we have fun doing it. booyalab and I, really enjoy going at it. We usually talk afterwards and have a good laugh about it.

I don't like you or want to debate anything with you because you are fucking annoying. When someone disagrees with you, you launch some personal tirade against them. Your focus on the issues at hand is so narrow and well boring that it's not fun at all being in any debate that has you in it. Then you take the squabble all over the forum. When people call you on it you turn around and act like you are somehow dignified in doing so.

Most of all, I don't like you because you always play the goddamned victim. "Oh, everyone attacks me." "What did I ever do to Zedo?" Sorry lady, but if you mess with the bull you get the horns. You deserve every comment you get from people on this site. You are more than happy to mix it up until people turn on you, then you start dropping this woe-is-me shit. Do you think we are stupid? You must if you think that condescending shit is going to work.

I politely told you not to address me at all on this forum in a PM. You are daft enough to try it out within a week. That is the problem with you. That is why you just don't get it.

PS (to the admins) Yeah, I know.

[Geoff]

Would you like to borrow my toys to throw out of your pram?

-Geoff

[mgb]

Would you like to borrow my toys to throw out of your pram?

-Geoff

I don't know what a pram is and why do you have so many throwing toys?

[Geoff]

Ah, baby stroller or baby carriage then.

-Geoff

[Shai Gar]

I think it backfires and people ignore my points and just focus on the style and assume I'm resorting to being angry and mean
yes, i think i can safely assume that, at least in relation to a lot of my posts. though i dont care any more only friends can piss you of truely everyone else just makes me quizzical

[Shadow]

What an interesting topic! I think it should have been titled "Let's pretend not to be INTP". What I am about to say is intended to be as context-free as possible.

One key to successfully bringing types of all kinds together is to not only understand the other tempermants, but work around those differences as well. Most people claim to do this, but it is only an illusion. Most people are sensitive to even the most subtle differences in people, and therefore, conflict arises when such people encounter those who are intrinsically different from themselves.

To bash non-INTP's, while not showing global perspective, is probably normal. Most people tend to criticize/bash those who are somewhat/profoundly different. I believe the difference here is that xNTx's (or really even just xNxx's) are so different from the other types. If you treat these groups of people as sets of a whole, you will see that the small number of xNTx's in existance is inversly proportional to the large number of people that they criticize/bash. The same is true of the other types -- sensing types --, but they bash intuitives (being a smaller group of people).

This phenomenon is probably true of thinkers/feelers as well. Feelers probably bash us thinkers as much as thinkers bash feelers. It is very natural to do this as such differences tend to cause stress. Both preferences have their advantages and each side should recognize that.

With masculinity equating to thinking and femininity equating to feeling in some minds, there is basis to such thought. While it is illogical to associate gender with the preference, most studies do show that females score an F far more often than males (note, I have modified the formatting for easier viewing, the guts are the same):

http://www.infj.org/typestats.html


Breakdown by Preference

Extraversion
Male: 45.9%
Female: 52.5%
Total: 49.3%

Introversion
Male: 54.1%
Female: 47.5%
Total: 50.7%

Sensing
Male: 71.7%
Female: 74.9%
Total: 73.3%

iNtuition
Male: 28.3%
Female: 25.1%
Total: 26.7%

Thinking
Male: 56.5%
Female: 24.5%
Total: 40.2%

Feeling
Male: 43.5%
Female: 75.5%
Total: 59.8%

Judging
Male: 52.0%
Female: 56.2%
Total: 54.1%

Percieving
Male: 48.0%
Female: 43.8%
Total: 45.9%



One thing to note, though, is that the NF temperment happens more often in males than females according to the aforementioned source. But F types are still more populated by females.

The point of this is to show that MBTI is not random. Personality probably does have a correlation with biological brain differences. That is not to say that personality testing is accurate, unless your definition of personality is what one scores on a test...

[CreativeChaos]

I hate HATE!

I despise Despising!

I lothe Lothing!

And I REALLY REALLY hate the amount of "What do you hate most? Who do you hate most? What type do you hate most? What do you despise most? What could you give a FUCK about?" THREADS!!!!

JUST because you are INTP does NOT excuse you from being KIND!!!!

AND TRYING A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING!!!!!


Otherwise you will NEVER be able to function in this world!!!!

And you will end up all ALONE!!!!!

And you will DESERVE IT!!!!!!!! :rant:

[Shai Gar]

What an interesting topic! I think it should have been titled "Let's pretend not to be INTP".

To bash non-INTP's, while not showing global perspective, is probably normal.
without reading your post, having any sort of context, justification or remorse for the following statement. of course, lets not bash INTPs, but we should instead bash NON-INTPs. makes sense, no, really

[mgb]

AND TRYING A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING!!!!!




Maybe you should too.

[Shadow]

without reading your post, having any sort of context, justification or remorse for the following statement. of course, lets not bash INTPs, but we should instead bash NON-INTPs. makes sense, no, really

You probably should have read the post. Your interpretation is not what I had in mind. When I say context-free, I meant an attempt to think with respect to all types. I am not trying to take sides here.

That statement meant that it is typical for INTP's to bash non-INTP's, just as it is with about any other personality type. Sure, INTP's are the most likely to do it directly by refering to the MBTI (because INTP's are focused on understanding everything), but other types bash different types by denouncing characteristics that tend to map directly to MBTI without realizing it (like issues with organization, quick decisiveness, etc). More over, it tends to be typical for xNTx's to bash a larger group of people as the inverse of those people is a larger group (obviously).

NORMAL != Favorable/Unfavorable (by my definition). In reality, normal means what was intended, but in the case of this, determining how types were intended to interoperate is impossible. So, I equate normal to what is typical, while abnormal would be an exceptionality.
Criticizing (whether direct (MBTI) or indirect (raw characteristics)) other types is normal by this definition.



One key to successfully bringing types of all kinds together is to not only understand the other tempermants, but work around those differences as well. Most people claim to do this, but it is only an illusion. Most people are sensitive to even the most subtle differences in people, and therefore, conflict arises when such people encounter those who are intrinsically different from themselves.


This was supposed mean that all personality types do have conflicts with other personality types. In order to do that, a compatibilty layer must be formed between all people, in which for INTP's, that is understanding. All types are guilty of this.

The point is is that everyone needs to work together. This is not an INTP specific problem. It may seem that way to you as this is an INTP forum (obviously!) I do not bash people for their utter lack of global/system thinking skills and intuition. I have learned to tolerate the differences of others. Thus, in reciprocity, I would expect people to not be so strict on timeliness, organization, and socialization (aspects not intrinsic to INTP's) Unfortunately, I do not get this reciprocity. Many here probably do not either.

By the way, the first paragraph of my previous post was a statement of how NON-INTP some of the INTPs are acting posting on this topic. I am not pointing any fingers at anyone (especially not any of those who aren't INTP, as I understand that there would be a difference). I did not intend to introduce conflicting statements if that is how you interpreted it.

[songbird36]

There's a lot of type-bashing on this site.

That to me is the single most annoying thing.

[Dunearhp]

Too many people here have developed thin skins.

Bring on the flame wars. Maybe it will settle down afterwards.

[cjs55]

There's a lot of type-bashing on this site.

What are your opinions on ISTJs again? ; )

[songbird36]

Yeah yeah but I'm not moaning about people on this site am I?

There's the difference...

[Claverhouse]

Too many people here have developed thin skins.

Bring on the flame wars. Maybe it will settle down afterwards.
We need a Cause. I can't be bothered to have an offensive opinion. *

The usual method is for someone to smuggle in a pet troll...



Claverhouse :ph34r:

* Although I could be very cutting about Stumbleupon losing ( or loosing ) my settings.

The only way you can get back is to sign in: but without the settings there's no place to sign in. If you go to Stumbleupon Home Page, you click Sign up which takes you to the Firefox Stumbleupon extension home page, where you can only click the designer's home page, which takes you to Stumbleupon Home Page.

[Miss Anthropic]

Shai Gar, I would have slightly more respect for you if you could write in a concise coherent manner without the gratuitous use of the words fuck and shit. As it is, you grandstand these threads such that I don't want to sift through the crap to glean your kernal of truth. (When there is one, that is...)

[songbird36]

Forgive him Miss he's just a young lad...

[Miss Anthropic]

Forgive him Miss he's just a young lad...
Oh, yeah, I forgot that the first words young lads learn are shit and fuck, then as they learn parts of speech, it expands to the past and present tense, and use of them as verbs and nouns and adjectives and possibly adverbs--but only for the gifted young lads.

[songbird36]

Yeah it annoys me too, to be honest.

But Shai Gar seems fairly harmless compared to some others here

[Eileen]

Yeah yeah but I'm not moaning about people on this site am I?

There's the difference...

It's a difference in impact here, I guess, but type bashing in general is pretty irritating. It's a horrible misuse of the information we're given through personality assessments such as the MBTI.

[CreativeChaos]

Maybe you should too.

Well, gee!, MG, that is what I am trying to do! That is why I am posting less, posting more serious stuff! What happened to you? We used to be friends, remember? :) Peace? :blush:

I have finally broken my addiction to this thing and it feels really good. It's nice to start attending to my real life. You REALLY will be seeing less of me MG. It was what was asked for in my poll and I will abide by it.

This is YOUR forum! I KEEP saying that. So now that I know it is not just ONE really creepy, grumpy person, but several really creepy grumply people (jk :smooch: ) I will abide by the majority of what I saw.

So?

[CreativeChaos]

Shai Gar, I would have slightly more respect for you if you could write in a concise coherent manner without the gratuitous use of the words fuck and shit. As it is, you grandstand these threads such that I don't want to sift through the crap to glean your kernal of truth. (When there is one, that is...)

Gee! I am glad to see you say that Miss Anthropic. My sentiments exactly. I'm not sure about the concise manner and all, but the gratuitous use of the words fuck and shit are "hateful" (of course that could just be my NF talking) and what's more I have always said that people who resort to such language do so because they don't have the brains to think of anything else to say.

And I LOVE! the HAT!!!!!:D

[misutii]

There's a lot of type-bashing on this site.

That to me is the single most annoying thing.

i see it more as sarcasm than bashing.... i know some other types might not see it that way, but intps i notice tend to say things in the heat of the moment and dont expect others to react the way that they do

well for me anyways.... like if i ever seem to be insulting you or another person on this forum it's not meant malevolently but in a light-hearted way meant non-the-less to get a response (because at certain VERY few times im an attention whore)

[mgb]

I hate HATE!

I despise Despising!

I lothe Lothing!

And I REALLY REALLY hate the amount of "What do you hate most? Who do you hate most? What type do you hate most? What do you despise most? What could you give a FUCK about?" THREADS!!!!

JUST because you are INTP does NOT excuse you from being KIND!!!!

AND TRYING A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING!!!!!


Otherwise you will NEVER be able to function in this world!!!!

And you will end up all ALONE!!!!!

And you will DESERVE IT!!!!!!!! :rant:

Maybe I should address the whole thread to get my point across a little better.

I think you see this forum and go, oh, that is what INTPs are like. But it really isn't. Read the mating description of INTPs in Keirsey. We are generally kind, caring and understanding people. Very loyal and also make great parents (not that Keirsey would say anyone shouldn't have kids).

But this is our little haven to let loose. We argue, we question, we fight, we play, we PM, we take sides, we explore. We can't do a lot of this stuff in the real world so we do it here. Shai starts threads because he is venting. He does it here because he doesn't have another place to do it and because people aren't going to give him too much of a hard time, he does it here.

Can we function in the world. Sure a lot of us do pretty well. We can probably function as well as you can, maybe even better in some cases.

I don't mind you CC, but I've also come to realize that you really don't understand what this place is for an INTP. In that vein you try to chastise us and say that we aren't conforming to your view of what society should look like and what your view of the internet should look like. I don't think you understand our discourse, not for lack of trying but because you just don't have a complete picture of an INTP. When I fight with say, booyalab, because it comes up, we have an understanding of each other that you don't and probably won't. We spar, we attack, we defend and then we laugh about it. And we truly enjoy doing it.

Sorry CC, but this might not be the place for you to figure us out. You only get half the picture. You don't get to see what we are *really* thinking, just what we type. Only an INTP can understand, and that probably goes for every type too.

[misutii]

Sorry CC, but this might not be the place for you to figure us out. You only get half the picture. You don't get to see what we are *really* thinking, just what we type. Only an INTP can understand, and that probably goes for every type too.

i agree in the sense that there is alot of people here, intps act much different in public than they do with a person one-to-one as well.
if someone here wishes to better understand an intp they should pm them, they'll be surprised at how different the person seems

[Eileen]

Only an INTP can understand, and that probably goes for every type too.

I'm quite sure this is true, to an extent. And moreover, nobody can really tell what anybody else is thinking for sure, even if they are of the same type. But to be sure, having the same type can help bridge the gap.

[CreativeChaos]

i agree in the sense that there is alot of people here, intps act much different in public than they do with a person one-to-one as well.
if someone here wishes to better understand an intp they should pm them, they'll be surprised at how different the person seems

I agree you see even less than half the picture. But even seeing these forums I see a difference. And where else am I going to meet INTPs? It is rare for me to meet an N of any sort.

Plus, why is it that you have to come here and vent? INFPs are just as alone and feel strange in the world. Just look at the difference between the two forumns and you have to admit, there is quite a difference.

I wish you would take it up with the whole forum. I would be curious. Why so much ranting? I don't even have ranting in private. I wouldn't be ranting on a forum period. You don't see me really participating in that.

And you are right, I am sure I don't understand INTPs as well as they understand each other, but I DO believe I understand a WHOLE lot more now. I SEE the really technical, really logical, scientific discourses here that do NOT go on at the INFP site, and I think it is ONE small window into the mind of an INTP.

I do read the other sites that I do not post in.

[songbird36]

i see it more as sarcasm than bashing.... i know some other types might not see it that way, but intps i notice tend to say things in the heat of the moment and dont expect others to react the way that they do

well for me anyways.... like if i ever seem to be insulting you or another person on this forum it's not meant malevolently but in a light-hearted way meant non-the-less to get a response (because at certain VERY few times im an attention whore)

The comment wasn't aimed at you. You are not one of the perpetrators.

[lexiphanic]

It should be mentioned that I read the first post, and then I read the entire thread after Creative Chaos first posted.

[mgb]

Plus, why is it that you have to come here and vent? INFPs are just as alone and feel strange in the world. Just look at the difference between the two forumns and you have to admit, there is quite a difference.

I wish you would take it up with the whole forum. I would be curious. Why so much ranting? I don't even have ranting in private. I wouldn't be ranting on a forum period. You don't see me really participating in that.


We vent because we can and want to. Not everyone does vent. Some of us have other venting outlets. While you may feel equally "alone" in the world, you handle it differently from us, obviously.

We don't need to take it up with the whole forum. It happens. We do it. We all know we all do it. It's part of the forum. We have an entire forum dedicated to rants and raves that gets used a lot. That should be as much info as you need on the topic.

And you do rant. That post in pretty much all capitals was a rant.

[CreativeChaos]

It should be mentioned that I read the first post, and then I read the entire thread after Creative Chaos first posted.


Uhh... :blink: Uhh... :blink: I'm speechless. :blink:

[CreativeChaos]

We vent because we can and want to. Not everyone does vent. Some of us have other venting outlets. While you may feel equally "alone" in the world, you handle it differently from us, obviously.

We don't need to take it up with the whole forum. It happens. We do it. We all know we all do it. It's part of the forum. We have an entire forum dedicated to rants and raves that gets used a lot. That should be as much info as you need on the topic.

And you do rant. That post in pretty much all capitals was a rant.


Haa! Yeah, I do rant. But that was not one. I get excited. As in enthusiastic. But not angry and ranting. My all caps are usually out of enthusiasm. But of course I get angry at some stuff.

I wasn't accusing you or INTPs, I was asking why? Just curious. Why all the anger? Or if it is not anger, fine. Just curious. I should have known better than to ask a why question. I have taken counseling courses and they say never to ask why, that puts a person on the defensive.

So, what is the cause and nature of the ranting on here? (I hope I worded that better).

[mgb]

So, what is the cause and nature of the ranting on here? (I hope I worded that better).

To share an experience with people who might have had a similar experience and get it off your chest while at the same time evaluating the strategy you used to deal with the problem and see what other people did so that you might learn and improve for next time.

[CreativeChaos]

To share an experience with people who might have had a similar experience and get it off your chest while at the same time evaluating the strategy you used to deal with the problem and see what other people did so that you might learn and improve for next time.

Very good, MG. Excellent. Now I see. Thanks. :)

[lexiphanic]

Uhh... :blink: Uhh... :blink: I'm speechless. :blink:

Well, if you think about it, all that was there before you were the same exact replies to a different subject that I can get in just about any thread on this forum. I know myself, and can conjecture the type and general themes that people will respond with. I've thought many of them myself, but didn't bother posting them. I'm at the point where I would rather see people at least respond to something different.

You are different. Usually positively different.

[Geoff]

Well, gee!, MG, that is what I am trying to do! That is why I am posting less, posting more serious stuff! What happened to you? We used to be friends, remember? :) Peace? :blush:

I have finally broken my addiction to this thing and it feels really good. It's nice to start attending to my real life. You REALLY will be seeing less of me MG. It was what was asked for in my poll and I will abide by it.



This is where I think part of your difficulty with the whole forum experience lies. This forum *is* real life, the people on here are real people - ok so there is less comeback, but if you are just yourself then there is little difference here or in what you call real life with the way you feel. The two dont have to be at conflict with one another.

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

Well, if you think about it, all that was there before you were the same exact replies to a different subject that I can get in just about any thread on this forum. I know myself, and can conjecture the type and general themes that people will respond with. I've thought many of them myself, but didn't bother posting them. I'm at the point where I would rather see people at least respond to something different.

You are different. Usually positively different.

Oh...Well thanks Lexi :D. At this point I do need some votes of conficence. :D
I'm still thinking the majority would rather me keep to my three conclusions:

1) Less posts
2) Less emoticons
3) Less fluff

But I will not hesitate to comment to your stuff, in true INFP form. :D

[CreativeChaos]

This is where I think part of your difficulty with the whole forum experience lies. This forum *is* real life, the people on here are real people - ok so there is less comeback, but if you are just yourself then there is little difference here or in what you call real life with the way you feel. The two dont have to be at conflict with one another.

-Geoff

Yes, but I was being myself, Geoff. And the forum (not all, of course) didn't like it. The forum *is* real life, but the people on here want to keep the forum INTP. The poll has spoken, this is NOT "my type" forum, thus I will keep a reign in. This is as I would do in *real* life if my true nature were upsetting people, or they did not want me in their "club".

And the two will be inconflict with each other if I spend too much time here and not enough time on my work. I WILL be fired. I MUST take care of my "real" life above this one, of course. I did not say I was not being myself here. But you cannot spend your life on a computer forum. I never meant to say the people here are not real people. I'm not sure where your conclusion comes from.

[songbird36]

Are you starting all this up again CC?

Please don't. Just be one of the "crowd" for a bit.

[MacGuffin]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS

[Ming]

you are all fucking retards.

you are here in an MBTI type based forum that acknowledges that emotional people are due to their F and that logical people are due to their T and yet you stupid bloody morons can carry on a fucking pissweak argument that women are all emotional and men are better because they are not. or that men are uncaring bastards and women are better because they are emotional.

fuck the lot of you. can you not see that whether or not you are male or female has little to do with your personality? just as age has little to do with the amount of knowledge or wisdom a person has? am i the only logical person here? it seems so. because i can make the correlation of being accused of plagarism simply because people do not expect males my age to be profound, or wise with the fact that they are SP or SJ and i am an INTP who values and spends more time in study and reflection then they would have at my age. perhaps MGBRADSH was right, perhaps i do not need PCness because i hold you all in contempt for being petty creatures who cannot rise above the stereotypes enforced by ignorance and bigotry of our society.

grow the fuck up. i dont even see the need for a gender studies, if anything this forum should be in flamethrower where the threads can be seen for what they truly are. jokes.

it must be because i am male.
You really. REALLY. need to get laid. :p

[bluebell]

You really. REALLY. need to get laid. :p

You really. REALLY. need to pay attention to dates. Time dates, not romantic dates, in case that's not clear.

[melancholeric]

You really. REALLY. need to pay attention to dates. Time dates, not romantic dates, in case that's not clear.

It's just wishful thinking. That Muffin was still here with us reading this.

I miss him so very much.

[Shai Gar]

Awww *hug*

[LongSilence]

Gay.

[Free Man]

Are you a Wizard?

[eyebyte_atWork]

It's sad that this thread had to be qualified as non-sexual.

[gr8ness97]

Some folks try to be jerks or know-it-alls.

[PsychicX]

you are all fucking retards.

you are here in an MBTI type based forum that acknowledges that emotional people are due to their F and that logical people are due to their T and yet you stupid bloody morons can carry on a fucking pissweak argument that women are all emotional and men are better because they are not. or that men are uncaring bastards and women are better because they are emotional.

fuck the lot of you. can you not see that whether or not you are male or female has little to do with your personality? just as age has little to do with the amount of knowledge or wisdom a person has? am i the only logical person here? it seems so. because i can make the correlation of being accused of plagarism simply because people do not expect males my age to be profound, or wise with the fact that they are SP or SJ and i am an INTP who values and spends more time in study and reflection then they would have at my age. perhaps MGBRADSH was right, perhaps i do not need PCness because i hold you all in contempt for being petty creatures who cannot rise above the stereotypes enforced by ignorance and bigotry of our society.

grow the fuck up. i dont even see the need for a gender studies, if anything this forum should be in flamethrower where the threads can be seen for what they truly are. jokes.

it must be because i am male.

I would like to know the lines of which I am allowed to step and not get banned form thine sacred site.

[jyng1]

I would like to know the lines of which I am allowed to step and not get banned form thine sacred site.

I think posts should be one or all of: funny, ironic, informative, supportive, insightful, amusing, challenging...

If you look back at your posts and they are: annoying, frivolous, thoughtless, copious, egotistical, combative or generally go against the general grain of the site, then you might be in trouble.

[PsychicX]

I think posts should be one or all of: funny, ironic, informative, supportive, insightful, amusing, challenging...

If you look back at your posts and they are: annoying, frivolous, thoughtless, copious, egotistical, combative or generally go against the general grain of the site, then you might be in trouble.

jyng1-- thanks for actually responding to me seriously. Well, I tend to think, all the items you listed, have somewhat of a subjective nature, don't you?

And although I am sure the majority agrees with you-- maybe they don't, maybe they do-- maybe this is the problem.

You do know that you are somewhat insulting in the nature of your post although I know you do not intend to-- as there is zero malicious intent behind most of the things that I do.

And if you're actually going to make a sweeping generalization, I might be more swayed if you took some effort to list out each 30-40 or so of my posts and psychoanalyze each one, especially if one was the instigated response to a previous "attack"

who decides funny? ironic? informative? you? wikipedia? insightful? amusing?

must all INTP's resort to the clique-ish-ness that they may have detested their whole lives? and tangentional subtle insults and jabs aside, I'm just a guy trying to fit in and be himself.

[Solitaire Unraveling]

The affected jadedness becomes a bit tiresome at times...