Improving the main site -- IT'S A CONTEST NOW

[garak]

We are going to change the look/layout to this: http://incise.org:82/pub/intpcentral/

But I also think that the front page would ideally have a short explanation of what exactly an INTP is, including a quick explanation of MBTI. I'll just paste what I said in the irc channel (chat) a minute ago:



-17:35:58- : garak+: we need a concise explanation of mbti and intp
-17:36:12- : garak+: something that is short but spells it out reasonably well
-17:41:16- : garak+: say some random intp who has no idea about mbti stumbles upon the site
-17:41:26- : garak+: they should be able to look at it and go "omg that sounds like me"


I realized that the initial way I posted this thread made it seem chore-like, so it is now a CONTEST!!!!!!! 8O :shock:

Whoever writes the best blurb gets it posted on the main page (well, assuming the powers that be agree), with credit given to the winner. All entries are subject to proofreading, revising, etc.

[heeroyuy]

The powers that be agree with you, we will take this time also to swing a few other things into place. I haven't asked the other principle member of the dev team, I'll discuss it with him tonight, but he should be cool with it (as we both hate the layout right now).

[indie]

By the "main page" you mean the forums main page, right? The http://incise.org:82/pub/intpcentral/ link you referred to re-formatting is something different, and unrelated to the "contest", I'm guessing. . . (sorry, my brain is not working today.) Could you maybe be more specific RE length requirements. . .. Like are you/TPTB looking for a sentence, a paragraph, a phrase, any or all of the above?

[garak]

By the main site I mean http://intpcentral.com .

As far as length .. I'm not sure. :)

I would think that it should be a bit shorter than this: http://www.entp.org/ .. or at least, get the main point across at the beginning. And I'm just using that as a length comparison -- I don't think ours should "read" the same way. The ENTP site's front page is basically just a pull from some ENTP profile, but I think ours should be more of an explanation/introduction for any random person that stumbles upon the site. The in-depth explanations are covered by many other sites so it seems pointless to try and provide that.

[Lee]

Could we not bring together a bunch of bullet points from that thread from a while back, the 50-100 bullet points describing INTP.

[garak]

http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901

Lots of stuff there indeed, but I think the main issue is taking the wealth of information about INTPs and trying to form a concise, quick/easy to read/understand description out of it.

BTW, I don't see any reason why it has to be all-or-nothing with regards to who does it. We could take things from multiple people and work them together. Or whatever. I'm the last person to impose strict guidelines. : P

[Ascending]

The Wizard, The Architect, The Designer,
-----The INTP-----
They are the ones that see the patterns of the universe.
They are seekers of truth. The acquirers of knowledge.
They have shaken the earth throughout history. People such as
Einstein, Socrates, Descartes, Pascal, Newton, and Lincolin.
They advance the world through their most formidable weapon.
Are they lost in thought? Not lost, exploring.

[Ascending]

Revise away.

[indie]

Thanks for clarifying, garak. :)

[mgb]

Thanks for clarifying, garak. :)

Now that you are all published and shit, can you taste victory on this one?

:)

[mgb]

Me? Around.

There haven't been so many "racey" topics over the last couple of days. So more chatting than posting.

[Helios]

Just so long as we can keep the forum looking the same, this color works well for me at work, since it is exactly the same as what I am suppose to be working on.....hehehe

[file cabinet]

hell yes

[tragula]

INTP is one of the rarest of the sixteen Jungian personality types, comprising around 1% of the population. INTP stands for introverted, intuitive, thinking, and perceiving. In a nutshell they can be described as life's deep thinkers. Fascinated by abstract theories they spend an inordinate amount of time mulling over life's inponderables.

Famous INTP figures in history have included Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes, and Socrates. Unfamous INTP types you may know might include the pizza delivery guy, your systems administrator, and that guy who sits around playing chess all day.

Singlemindedly focused on the big picture, they can sometimes trip over life's little details. This may give them a reputation for being somewhat detached from reality. But the truth is they are just in touch with a higher reality. On a perpetual quest in search of truth and meaning in the universe they will compulsively analyse anything and everything.

Independant minded in the extreme, they aren't afraid to make unusual choices, so long as it makes logical sense to them. INTP types may not place a lot of value on status, creature comforts, popularity, or even financial security. The result is they are sometimes percieved as colorful eccentrics. This fondness for thinking outside the box will frequently produce insightful and unexpected solutions to problems. Which means they can be counted on for excellent advice, even if their socks don't always match.

At their best when they aren't taking life too seriously, they wield their dark and dry sense of humor like a sword that leaves most people completely unscathed. And even though they don't always choose to express their emotional side, many of them are nevertheless deeply sensitive souls who yearn to find their cosmic twin in a dark and hostile universe.

[tragula]

Notes: Whipped this out on a whim... Used to write book jacket copy when I worked as a book editor.

Some of it seems a little familiar sounding. I didn't look at any profiles, but I've read some so many times they do stick a little.

The "unscathed" line rings a bell too. Not sure where that's from.
Probably much too long too...

Anyway.

PS. Who knew about this ENTP site?!? I am discovering so many new things today...

[Shai Gar]

i like it, it sounds like a pretty damned good profile. much better than a lot of the dry stuff

[indie]

INTP is one of the rarest of the sixteen Jungian personality types, comprising around 1% of the population. INTP stands for introverted, intuitive, thinking, and perceiving. In a nutshell they can be described as life's deep thinkers. Fascinated by abstract theories they spend an inordinate amount of time mulling over life's inponderables.

Famous INTP figures in history have included Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes, and Socrates. Unfamous INTP types you may know might include the pizza delivery guy, your systems administrator, and that guy who sits around playing chess all day.

Singlemindedly focused on the big picture, they can sometimes trip over life's little details. This may give them a reputation for being somewhat detached from reality. But the truth is they are just in touch with a higher reality. On a perpetual quest in search of truth and meaning in the universe they will compulsively analyse anything and everything.

Independant minded in the extreme, they aren't afraid to make unusual choices, so long as it makes logical sense to them. INTP types may not place a lot of value on status, creature comforts, popularity, or even financial security. The result is they are sometimes percieved as colorful eccentrics. This fondness for thinking outside the box will frequently produce insightful and unexpected solutions to problems. Which means they can be counted on for excellent advice, even if their socks don't always match.

At their best when they aren't taking life too seriously, they wield their dark and dry sense of humor like a sword that leaves most people completely unscathed. And even though they don't always choose to express their emotional side, many of them are nevertheless deeply sensitive souls who yearn to find their cosmic twin in a dark and hostile universe.

I like it, trag. . . noticed a couple typos, but in all, I really like it. My edits/suggestions are in blue.


INTP is one of the rarest of the sixteen Jungian personality types, comprising around 1% of the population. INTP stands for Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, and Perceiving. In a nutshell, the INTP type can be described as a deep thinker, who is constantly seeking originality in thought and design. Fascinated by abstract theories and ideas, they spend an inordinate amount of time mulling over life's ponderables (?? -- don't think "inponderables" is a word) recognizing and discovering patters.

Single-mindedly focused on the big picture, they can sometimes trip over life's little details. As the utter antithesis of those who can't see the forest for the trees, INTPs are so preoccupied with looking at the forest, they often forget that the forest is made up of trees! This may give them a reputation or appearance of being somewhat detached from reality. But the truth is that they are simply in touch with a higher reality. On a perpetual quest in search of truth, meaning, and order in the universe, they will compulsively analyze anything and everything.

Independent-minded to the extreme, they aren't afraid to make unusual choices, so long as it makes logical sense to them. INTP types may not place a lot of value on status, creature comforts, popularity, or even financial security. As a result they are sometimes perceived as colorful eccentrics. This fondness for thinking outside the box will frequently produce insightful and unexpected solutions to problems. This means they can often be counted on for excellent advice, even if their socks don't always match.

At their best when they aren't taking life too seriously, they wield their dark and dry sense of humor like a sword that leaves most people completely unscathed. And even though they don't always choose to express their emotional side, many of them are nevertheless deeply sensitive souls who yearn to find their cosmic twin in a dark and hostile universe.

Famous INTP figures in history have included Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes, and Socrates. The not-so-famous INTPs types you may know might include the pizza delivery guy, your systems administrator, and that guy who sits around playing chess all day.

At the end, maybe add something about INTP Central, the diversity of our fourm. . . placing the "Famous INTPs" prior to that might make for an excellet segue.

[purple13]

You could also provide links to the more in-depth explanations that are already out there.

[tragula]

Thanks indie! Glad you like :-)

I consider it much improved with your edits. Always good to have someone go through and tweak! Moving the famous INTP to the end is a great idea.

I am not above making up words! You might even say I have a propensity towards doing it. (The real fun is when people start repeating them back to you.) I was about to agree with you about "inponderable" when I looked it up in dictionary.com and couldn't find "ponderables" either! But I did eventually stumble on "imponderable" Not sure it's kosher to pluralize imponderable either though:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=imponderable

I won't take any other edits personally, either. As far as I'm concerned the powers that be can change it, use it, or ignore it without worrying about my feelings... (Isn't anyone else throwing their hat in the ring? I like competitions.)

I realized the whole "unscathed" idea came out of a line in a Wodehouse novel. (Of course.) I'm trying to find the exact quote/inspiration, more for my own personal sanity than anything else... Will post it when I do.

[waxwing]

Surrounded by a complex and impenetrable world, INTPs often see themselves in a similar light. Traveling in their own moveable zones of time, communication, logical analysis, imagination, deep-seated emotion, and wit, they are most concerned with global, far-reaching truth. Although they are generally disinterested in social convention and prolonged periods of surface-level human interaction, their trademark debate and sarcasm combined with their occasional informative teaching leave others enlightened, humored, bewildered, and at times, offended. Who are these quirky, quiet individuals who sometimes use carefully designed towers of vocabulary and vision to absorb and reveal truth, while remaining detached?

Sometimes called Architects, INTPs usually construct material that exists primarily in the playgrounds and recesses of their minds. Projects that emerge from their intellectual labyrinths into the tangible realm may never see completion according to societal standards, or even their own, but few INTPs are satisfied with the final, accepted solution, anyway. With revision as an eternal state of mind, INTPs continue to gather data and process information, blazing what may appear to be a brilliant, but disorderly, trail of starry tangents through a cosmic backdrop. Because they often cannot translate their intrinsic bent towards abstraction into the language of a world that prefers to build hierarchies from manmade materials and watered-down wisdom, they may remain largely misunderstood throughout their lives.

Disheveled, withdrawn, intellectual, often artistic, and insatiably curious, INTPs prove far more inclined to organize and comprehend what cannot be touched, separating metaphorical seams and dreaming up grandiose schemes with their incisive innovation and endless spiral of questioning. Paradoxical in nature, INTPs value precise language and logic, but embrace a lackadaisical attitude towards the mundanely traditional, especially were illogical rules are concerned. In addition, their often childlike, sometimes lacking, expression of emotion, may lead others to further misinterpret their character.

[garak]

Damn, we are cooking now!

re: tragula:
The "in touch with a higher reality thing" kinda bothers me -- it sounds elitest.
Their sense of humor leaves most people unscathed? Is that what you meant to say? Kinda confused me.

re: waxwing:
In places it seems a little too abstract.

But overall both are awesome and now I'm left not knowing how to decide. : P I wonder how long we should wait to pick? Damn this P-ness!

Oh and by all means, anyone with an opinion, chime in. I don't wanna be the only person making the choice ;)

[garak]

Actually now that I think about it, I will probably make an anonymous poll. But not yet.

[waxwing]

garak:

Point taken. I'll revise. More concrete detail or simply clarification?

edit: Hm. Maybe just start over. :-o

[garak]

Hm, I think concrete detail.

edit: the more the merrier :)

[tragula]

INTP is one of the rarest of the sixteen Jungian personality types, comprising around 1% of the population. INTP stands for Introverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, and Perceiving. In a nutshell, INTP types can be described as deep thinkers on a perpetual quest for truth, meaning, and order in the universe. Fascinated by abstract theories and ideas, they will compulsively analyze anything and everything. Often spending an inordinate amount of time mulling over life's little enigmas.

Single-mindedly focused on the big picture, they can sometimes trip over the details. For INTP types seeing the forest is often much easier than seeing the trees.

Independent-minded to the extreme, they aren't afraid to make unusual choices, so long as it makes logical sense to them. They are likely to place less value on status, creature comforts, popularity, or financial matters, than most people. As a result they are sometimes perceived as colorful eccentrics. Ironically, this quality usually stems from their ability to look at situations more objectively.

INTP types are at their best when they don't take life too seriously. They have a dry sense of humor that frequently leaves others more bemused than amused. Their fondness for thinking outside the box can produce insightful and unexpected solutions to problems. This means they should be counted on for excellent advice, even if their socks don't always match. And while they don't always choose to express their emotional side, many of them are nevertheless deeply sensitive souls who yearn to find their cosmic twin in a dark and hostile universe.

Famous INTP figures in history have included Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes, and Socrates. The not-so-famous INTP types you may know could include the pizza delivery guy, your systems administrator, and that guy who sits around playing chess all day.

Welcome to INTP central a place to talk about life, the universe, and everything.

[waxwing]

#2

Jung's theory of personality underlies the Myers-Briggs 16 personality types. Of these sixteen types, INTP is believed to be one of the least commonly encountered. Indicating a person's preferences and basic temperamental type, Myers-Briggs' theory does not suggest definite rules of behavior. Given that understanding, INTPs prefer introversion, intuition, thinking, and perceiving. What follows is a brief description of the INTP personality.


INTPs are concerned with uncovering truth from a global stance. Their primary function is introverted thinking, so they often exist in a private world of ideas and metaphors, propelled by demands of rational thought. Sometimes observing is what INTPs like to do best, receding into the backdrop of any scene, gathering data and insight through their secondary function of extraverted intuition. “How does it all fit together?” is one of the INTP’s most frequently asked questions.

While most INTPs prefer substantive one-on-one contacts to large social gatherings, a times they are far livlier, especially when a topic piques their interest or a statement strikes them as illogical or ill-informed. If a situation calls for an objective, logical voice, the INTP will most likely readily adapt, seeking to reveal and absorb truth at all costs. INTPs tend to have a trademark humor that few actually comprehend. Nonetheless, they usually enjoy using puns and layers of meaning to commicate their off-beat jokes and innovative thinking style.

Interests of INTPs are numerous and varied. Few INTPs follow one course of study or master only one skill. They prefer to keep options open, probing for meaning, initiating and revising projects frequently – but seldom completing them -- and delving into many newfound areas of interest. While some more extraverted rationals (NTs) like being the center of attention, INTPs generally are quite content to live in their eclectic world of hobbies, playground of compex ideas, and wild imagination.



Typically most comfortable with open-ended lifestyles, INTPs may be hard to pin down, especially when trying to schedule appointments and make future plans. This, however, is only because INTPs work best with freedom to act spontaneously, letting their ideas emerge through brainstorming, reflection, and careful observation. In appearance, they may be unkempt, but underneath, they are actively coordinating a vast cosmos of ideas, making connections, and turning traditional, illogical policies, and whatever “just doesn’t make sense,” upside-down.

Paradox is a good word for INTPs. Not only do they enjoy thinking about paradox and naturally pointing out contradictions in logic, but they also resemble a type of human paradox, not easily accessible to even well-meaning friends and loved ones. While adopting a lax attitude towards many mundane details of life, they demand great precision in logic and language. Somtimes emotionally detached, INTPs can be known to express a charming childlike emotion. At other times, however, others may see them as cold and withdrawn.

[ApeTheDog]

But why put a profile there? Wouldn't it be better to give some examples of INTPness, and then direct them to the big profile if they want to learn more.

I think it's a law that, if you present something as a list, people are going to at least start reading it. So I would propose:

[b]Hello. INTP's are one of 16 personality types that everybody falls into. You may be an INTP if the following sounds familiar to you, in which case you should check out the profile:

- Your house is a total mess, and you can never find your keys.
- You're shy and don't speak up in a large group unless you know exactly what you are talking about.

and a bunch of others from the 50 points that make you an INTP thread mentioned earlier in this thread. I don't want to actually go pick some more points, as those are just examples of the style we could use, If I were to perceive that my work wouldn't be in vain, though, I might make more work out of it.

[garak]

Hm, a list is an interesting idea. I do agree that people are attracted towards lists more than a bunch of text.

[jread]

Hm, a list is an interesting idea. I do agree that people are attracted towards lists more than a bunch of text.

Yes, I think bulleted lists (or something similar) are the best way to go. For some reason it's just easier to read through something that way.

BTW, I love the new layout! Very clean and professional :)

[jimore]

INTP (In a nutshell)

If an INTP says something, and you disagree, you are wrong.

[Hexchild]

Not if you prove him/her wrong.

See? Here I go disagreeing. :)