What trait do you most despise?

[songbird36]

OK it's getting a bit boring here so we need a new thread.

If you could pick one trait, or shortcoming, in people, that you *most* despise and disrespect, what would it be?

For me it's selfishness.

[Geoff]

People who are 'judgemental' ;P Just joking...

No, in my case it is people who are 'dull and unimaginative'. People who make you just want to stab yourself to get a conversation over because they are so utterly pointless...

-Geoff

[Vagabond]

Disrespect.

[Lee]

Unimaginative....no no wait, triviality, no no no thats not it.....how about brutishness.....no actually not that either....eeerrr.. oh I have got it!......Indecisiveness. :)

[jimkopelli]

Stupidity.
Ignorance can be helped... but stupidty can only be smacked upside the head repeatedly.

[CreativeChaos]

Unkindness.

[Lee]

Unkindness.

Predictability :whistle:

[Chall T. Dow]

Stupidity.
Ignorance can be helped... but stupidty can only be smacked upside the head repeatedly.
Stupidity is at the top of my list as well. I find a baseball bat tends to reduce it somewhat. Also, people who use some inborn trait about themselves to excuse actions over which they have full control (i.e. the guy who cheats on his gf/wife and says it's because men aren't able to control themselves).

Chall T. Dow

[CreativeChaos]

Predictability

:p (baiting people who are already in trouble and are trying to be serious :angry: )

:smooch:

[songbird36]

Stupidity is at the top of my list as well. I find a baseball bat tends to reduce it somewhat. Also, people who use some inborn trait about themselves to excuse actions over which they have full control (i.e. the guy who cheats on his gf/wife and says it's because men aren't able to control themselves).

Chall T. Dow

That's such a "T" thing to hate...

[Geoff]

:p (baiting people who are already in trouble and are trying to be serious :angry: )

:smooch:

Emotionality

-Geoff

[Chall T. Dow]

Oh, I forgot bigotry.

Chall T. Dow

[CreativeChaos]

Emotionality

-Geoff

:angry: Non-emotionality

:smooch:

[Geoff]

:angry: Non-emotionality

:smooch:

Flirting

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

Flirting

-Geoff

Baiting people who are trying to be serious. :p

[Chicken]

I'd say pushyness.. Controlling people piss me off.. so I guess manipulative...

emotionally manipulative people are the worst

[Phenylethylene]

Obtuseness, Domineering personalities.

[CapnEnnui]

The willfully ignorant, that avoid facts and logic that hurt their argument and end the conversation if it doesn't go their way, despite being so loud and certain about such stupid opinions. Then they keep the opinions they had despite resorting to leaving in an angry huff or shouting because they knew they were wrong, or at least losing the argument they tend to start in the first place. Usually ESTJ types.

[Arioch]

Hubris.

[CapnEnnui]

Isn't it rather pointless to hate stupidity? It's not like the stupid person can help it, they can just be safely ignored in most cases. I don't like stupidity either, but I don't hold it against short people who are short, etc., and ignoring it is so much easier than caring.

[indie]

Cockiness/arrogance is at #1 on my list of most despised traits.

[coffeezombie]

People who are selfish conservative jackasses bother me the most.

[Claverhouse]

Sentimentality.

[ Which fortunately includes enough other things like democracy, mass-thinking, gullibility, morbidity and other pests... ]



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Hamro]

attention-seeking

[Claverhouse]

Cockiness/arrogance is at #1 on my list of most despised traits.
Oh yeah... self-confidence is the most over-rated thing on earth. As are self-confident people's erroneous estimations of themselves.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[indie]

Oh yeah... self-confidence is the most over-rated thing on earth. As are self-confident people's erroneous estimations of themselves.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

There's a difference between "cockiness" and self-confidence.

Cockiness = a blatant, external "Fuck You" to the external world; a clear and pathetic cry of: "I want to let everyone know I'm better/smarter than they are."

Self-confidence = a subtle, internal "Fuck You" to the external world; a quiet declaration that one does not require any affirmation of being "better/smarter" than anyone else, regardless of whether they actually are or not.

[songbird36]

Yeah there is.

Some members of this forum exhibit cockiness to an almost ludicrous degree..

:lol:

[kruT]

loudness.

[Lee]

Yeah there is.

Some members of this forum exhibit cockiness to an almost ludicrous degree..

:lol:

Hypocrisy :p

[songbird36]

Hypocrites :p

Bah humbug.

You're like a cod with constipation..

[MasterMerk]

I don't know.

[songbird36]

And who's Hypocrites by the way?

Was he a Greek philosopher?

[Lee]

And who's Hypocrites by the way?

Was he a Greek philosopher?

I just hate him, damn hippocratic oath! what a waste of time.....I am sorry songbird, did you misinterpret my post as personal, that was totally unintentional. :whistle:

[Helios]

treachery and disloyalty. I don't mean something "organic" like someone falling into a temptation, but slimey backstabbers/liers.


<hence I have a longstanding hatred of used car-dealers amoung others>

[Eileen]

lack of authenticity.

[MasterMerk]

It's so hard to choose. I can't pick one. :(

[PonderBee]

So many traits ....


Ass-kissing is way up there.

[songbird36]

So many traits ....


Ass-kissing is way up there.

I don't know about that. It can be sort of...erotic..

:lol:

[PonderBee]

It can be sort of...erotic..


Depending upon the "Ass" of course ;)

[Star]

Tendency to sexualize everything; lewdness.

[songbird36]

lol

I'm not like this IRL Deepsky - quite the opposite in fact..

[MasterMerk]

Oh, frigidity too.

[cosmic06]

Superficial or Charlatans

[SensEye]

Arrogance and hypocrisy.

[songbird36]

Oh, frigidity too.

Heh.

Now this thread is degenerating. I must get my quality control whip out!

[CreativeChaos]

Heh.

Now this thread is degenerating. I must get my quality control whip out!

Control freaks.

[CreativeChaos]

Okay, I really, really don't like people who talk too much about a lot of nothing.

[Shai Gar]

knowledgeable ignorance

prejudice runs a close second

[songbird36]

Yourself you mean?

:rofl:

[CreativeChaos]

Criticism

Edit: make that un-constructive criticism.

[MasterMerk]

Okay, I really, really don't like people who talk too much about a lot of nothing.

Oh, Irony.

:lol:

[Shai Gar]

Yourself you mean?

:rofl: care to elaborate? i do not employ knowledgable ignorance

[songbird36]

Nah - no need to elaborate my meaning was clear

:lol:

[Shai Gar]

Nah - no need to elaborate my meaning was clear

:lol:
no, no it wasnt. and since it is one of the things i most hate, calling me that without justification, or backing it up is bloody offensive. keeping any incident like it to ones self would be selfish

[alex]

judgemental, always critical... bringing everything down
especially when they just don't "get it"

["InsertNameHere"]

weakness

[songbird36]

no, no it wasnt. and since it is one of the things i most hate, calling me that without justification, or backing it up is bloody offensive. keeping any incident like it to ones self would be selfish

It wasn't you I was referring to - it was CC.

Get a grip :lol:

[Helios]

Nothing is worse than some who is drunk cralling home and posting shit on the forum beforw he passes out, haveing not studyed fpor his mid-term in the morning which he'll now be hung over for, stupid dumb drunk fucker!

[songbird36]

Nothing is worse than some who is drunk cralling home and posting shit on the forum beforw he passes out, haveing not studyed fpor his mid-term in the morning which he'll now be hung over for, stupid dumb drunk fucker!

Hehe - shame on you.

No-one else has posted drunk on this forum!! lol

[ApeTheDog]

Inflexibility. Blind faith. But most of all: the inability to admit ones shortcomings.

[t]

dishonesty, stupidity, hypocriticism (is that a word? i mean hypocrites, but it didn't really flow...)

[songbird36]

Hypocrisy is the noun..

[t]

Hypocrisy is the noun..

thank you. it's late and i'm sleepy so i was drawing a blank.

[Sackanaka]

treachery and disloyalty
Dante!

I suppose dishonesty for no other than selfish or malicious reasons would be the trait I find most despicable.
Though it's hard to stay mad at someone you know is probably an idiot, crybaby, or both on the inside.
Sorry, I must be now hated by some who posted earlier.

[Architectonic]

Close mindedness - seeing only in black and white.

[Arioch]

Yeah there is.

Some members of this forum exhibit cockiness to an almost ludicrous degree..

:lol:

I wonder if cockiness becomes humor when done too much?

[jyakulis]

Tendency to sexualize everything; lewdness.

me too titz

[Edmond Zedo]

Cocklessness

[misutii]

vulgarity (i.e. emitting disgusting noises while i'm trying to eat and thinking that it's funny, ill show you what's funny.......)

[songbird36]

vulgarity (i.e. emitting disgusting noises while i'm trying to eat and thinking that it's funny, ill show you what's funny.......)

Are you *really* a guy?

heh

[Chicken]

vulgarity (i.e. emitting disgusting noises while i'm trying to eat and thinking that it's funny, ill show you what's funny.......)

yes..
just stand up on the dinner table while everyone is eating and squat over their plates then fart..

[Swift]

People that tell you what to do and how to live your live and that are persistent in doing that.

[songbird36]

People that tell you what to do and how to live your live and that are persistent in doing that.

Does this apply to mothers generally?

:lol:

[misutii]

Are you *really* a guy?

heh

i've been said to sympathize with feminists...
after all there is a higher probability when meeting a male that he'll be a stupid, uncouth, stenchful, idiot.
i feel sorry for females that are forced by biology to be attracted to these people

edit: as a sidenote people i notice often "fart" or "burp" and have the gull to use the excuse that is "NATURAL"

If you want to live NATURALLY then go live in the fucking jungle

[songbird36]

i've been said to sympathize with feminists...
after all there is a higher probability when meeting a male that he'll be a stupid, uncouth, stenchful, idiot.
i feel sorry for females that are forced by biology to be attracted to these people

Haha. That's quite an admission there Mitsuii.

I'm raising two boys to believe in the best of what it means to be a man. One side of the family (the ex's side) is teaching them to fart and belch at mealtimes and I'm having to fight this programming.

I do think men get a bad rap these days. All their worst traits and faults are stereotyped and caricatured endlessly, and women get away with more.

[jyakulis]

Why would anyone hold their farts in?? Didn't anyone take that test that calculated the time of your death....that was on their D00dz. Sure you get some points for mannerism but every fart you hold in your a little closer to the end.....

[Miss Anthropic]

The thing I despise most in other people is dishonesty. I cannot stand people who lie, especially about small inconsequential things...those little lies that make a story better than reality, lies to cover, lies to impress. Bigger lies are not OK, but I can understand why people tell them. Little lies I just don't understand. The people I know who do this are ESF types.

On a separate note because the above does NOT apply to me projecting:
Does anyone recognize that frequently the traits we despise the most in others can be traits we have ourselves but do not like to recognize? I really hate disorganization...I used to blame my former husband for all of it. Yep! He's still disorganized but moved in with an ESFJ (or close enough, I think) and she keeps things ship-shape. I am by myself, still surrounded by my part of the disorganization and clutter. :D

[Storm]

Close-minded blind faith

[booyalab]

:angry: Non-emotionality

:smooch:

so..if i asked if you liked ..things..you'd say no?

[booyalab]

Why would anyone hold their farts in?? Didn't anyone take that test that calculated the time of your death....that was on their D00dz. Sure you get some points for mannerism but every fart you hold in your a little closer to the end.....

due to the natural progression of time, every fart you dont hold in you're a little closer to the end too.

[songbird36]

Why would anyone hold their farts in?? Didn't anyone take that test that calculated the time of your death....that was on their D00dz. Sure you get some points for mannerism but every fart you hold in your a little closer to the end.....


Well as a greenhouse gas emission imagine what they're all doing for global warming. A while ago a NZ MP proposed the imposition of what was dubbed a "fart tax" on farmers for their cattle which were belching and farting up a storm. Needless to say the proposal died an untimely death.

:lol:

[booyalab]

I tolerate stupidity in others more than people who do or say stuff to me with the implication that i'm stupid, when I'm not (there are times when I am stupid..i'm not counting that).

[songbird36]

OK maybe we need an executive summary at this point. The common themes are that we most of all can't stand:

(1) Stupidity
(2) Unnecessary bodily emissions

[booyalab]

I think what's worse than stupidity is stupidity in conjunction with evil..though that's not exactly a single trait.......but maybe it should be....stupil or evupid

[songbird36]

Evil people can often be quite clever.

I'm thinking Silence of the Lambs...

[booyalab]

Evil people can often be quite clever.

I'm thinking Silence of the Lambs...

did I say they cant?

[Claverhouse]

I think what's worse than stupidity is stupidity in conjunction with evil..though that's not exactly a single trait.......but maybe it should be....stupil or evupid
Bush knows exactly what you mean. Who more so ? Although he'd mishandlate it more than have you.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

more than have you.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

was this bad grammer intentional? if it wasn't, i can only conclude you are as stupid as you think Bush is.

[songbird36]

did I say they cant?

Nope. Are they more appealing when they're intelligent and evil? I'm not thinking of anyone in particular..

:lol:

[booyalab]

Nope. Are they more appealing when they're intelligent and evil? I'm not thinking of anyone in particular..

:lol:

slightly less unappealing

[Lee]

Stupid + Evil = Misguided (total rubbish of course but this is what happens when you have NF's in the world)

[jyakulis]

due to the natural progression of time, every fart you dont hold in you're a little closer to the end too.


STOP IT!!! Ok lemme rephrase that, you are closer to the end more so than you would be if you didn't hold it in.

[songbird36]

You mean *more appealing* dear...

don't want Eileen telling you off..

[Lee]

You mean *more appealing* dear...

don't want Eileen telling you off..
You never know, I might be into to that sort of thing :whistle:

[booyalab]

You mean *more appealing* dear...

don't want Eileen telling you off..

well, there is technically no difference.....but "less unappealing" gets the point across that i find both of them unappealing, while "more appealing" could just as well suggest that i'm neutral towards or favor both.

[Miss Anthropic]

Ohmygod....it has degenerated into a semantics thread again!

[Miss Anthropic]

nitpicking!

[Claverhouse]

was this bad grammer intentional?
Naturally: at the feet of the Master, listening to those ( possibly intentional, after all it's important for an Ivy Leaguer to connect with his people ) gems of inspirational brilliance.

By the way, it's spelt 'grammar'.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Eileen]

was this bad grammer intentional? if it wasn't, i can only conclude you are as stupid as you think Bush is.

Was your misspelling of "grammar" intentional?


As for the "less unappealing" thing, I prefer boo's wording to songbird's in that case. It makes her point clearer--neither are appealing in the first place.

[booyalab]

Ohmygod....it has degenerated into a semantics thread again!

degenerated or evolved into?

[Lee]

Putting clothing on animals

[booyalab]

Was your misspelling of "grammar" intentional?


yes.

*looks around nervously*

But I do not have to hold myself to Claverhouse's logic, I was only holding him to it.

[booyalab]

Putting clothing on animals

EXCELLENT example of stupidity and evilness combined!

[Lee]

Ohmygod....it has degenerated into a semantics thread again!

degenerated or evolved into?
Evolved is a neutral word, how about developed into or matured into?

[booyalab]

Evolved is a neutral word, how about developed into or matured into?
developed=evolved.........i considered using matured but i thought everyone would take a more positive meaning from 'evolved' considering all the evolutionists. Maturation implies that something will necessary end up a certain way, so I guess if you think all threads here will necessarily turn into discussions of semantics it could apply.

[Lee]

developed=evolved.........i considered using matured but i thought everyone would take a more positive meaning from 'evolved' considering all the evolutionists. Maturation implies that something will necessary end up a certain way, so I guess if you think all threads here will necessarily turn into discussions of semantics it could apply.

Ah, I have just checked up the meaning in the dictionary and you are right when saying developed = evolved.

However in an evolutionary sense the word evolved is neutral, while the word developed always implies improvement of some sort.

[misutii]

EXCELLENT example of stupidity and evilness combined!

if im ever rich my bunny is gonna have velvet clothes and a platinum cage

[songbird36]

Was your misspelling of "grammar" intentional?


As for the "less unappealing" thing, I prefer boo's wording to songbird's in that case. It makes her point clearer--neither are appealing in the first place.

Are you telling me you're not indoctrinating your students against double negatives?

Shame on you teach..

:lol:

[Eileen]

Are you telling me you're not indoctrinating your students against double negatives?

Shame on you teach..

:lol:

Nope, I'm not.

I will tell them not to say "I didn't get no homework done" in a formal paper.

But is the meaning lost, really? REALLY? When I teach them not to use double negatives such as the one I have mentioned above, I'm teaching them to navigate in the standard dialect.

However, nobody actually interprets that statement as "I got some homework done." The double negative is used for emphasis and can actually enhance meaning.

In booyalab's post, she was breaking that rule in such a way that meaning was enhanced, showing her excellent command of the English language.

I am NOT a grammar nazi. I want students to know basic rules, and it's my responsibility to teach them the standard dialect so that they can get a JOB in our bigoted society. However, I also want them to be able to break the rules I teach them in such a way that they can communicate more precisely and beautifully.

[songbird36]

Hmm.

I thought Booyalab's usage was passive and non-committal. There is a strong movement in my country away from passive uses of language, and the double negative is a prime example of this.

But I don't want to argue the toss with you about it!

[Eileen]

Hmm.

I thought Booyalab's usage was passive and non-committal.

Yeah, but it was the perfect way to express exactly what she was trying to express--no real preference for either choice offered. One is flagrantly unappealing, and the other is only slightly less so.

[Eileen]

I know that it sounds like I'm very serious about this matter, but my job as I see it is not to indoctrinate about language, so I AM very serious.

[jimkopelli]

Ok, there's another one... people who see rules as absolutes, not as things that are there so you think before you break them, so you know why you did, and have to come up with a good reason.

[songbird36]

The rule against double negatives is not an absolute rule by any means. It is part of the movement against passive language which adds verbiage and weakens the force of what is being communicated.

There has been a huge movement against passive language in legal circles, and there is good reason.

[Eileen]

The rule against double negatives is not an absolute rule by any means. It is part of the movement against passive language which adds verbiage and weakens the force of what is being communicated.

There has been a huge movement against passive language in legal circles, and there is good reason.

There may be good reason in legal discourse, but not all discourse is legal discourse.


And me--I despise.... um, a tendency towards violence.

[INTerloPer]

I dunno exactly what the mot juste is for the trait i despise the most, if anyone knows it, speak up. the tendency of certain people (those who present themselves as a giant wall of emotional need) to carry their heart on their sleeve can best be summed up if i paint you a picture. you are watching a moofie with your friend mark and their girlfriend, denae. when denae says she has to go home, your friend offers to pause the moofie in order to walk her. denae says, "well, you probably want to finish your moofie....? besides, i'm a big girl and i dont need you to protect me" and mark says, "do you mind if i stay and watch it?" and denae says, "fine. i dont care." and then runs upstairs and slams the door. you and mark exchange a shrug and go back to your moofie. about fifteen minutes later you hear the door slam again, and then some stomping, and then denae walks back into the room with tears streaming down her face, and starts screaming at mark, "what the fuck? you're too selfish to walk me home! i waited outside in the cold for twenty minutes for you to come after me and you didnt even bother!"
basically what bothers me about the above situation is...
1. denae set a passive-aggressive trap for mark by telling him she doesnt care if he stays to watch the moofie, and by pre-emptively mentioning that she's a 'big girl' in order to minimize mark's range of responses. he's screwed either way.
2. denae admits she set a trap by telling how she sat outside in the hopes that he would chase her.
3. denae gets angry at mark for not falling into her trap.
i guess something along the lines of passive-aggressive, but that doesnt seem to cover the entire scope of the trait. emotional vaccuum?

[Edmond Zedo]

Interloper, if the girl's gorgeous, it's cute, but if she's homely, it's sad and funny. Supply and demand, man.

[Eileen]

i guess something along the lines of passive-aggressive, but that doesnt seem to cover the entire scope of the trait. emotional vaccuum?


RARRR!

I hate passive aggressive behavior, partially because I am always fighting against it in myself. It makes me so angry!

[PsiKik]

conservative, loud, arrogant, overly self confident, stuborn

[Clara]

narrowminded humourlessness
( unwillingness to laugh at oneself... or see that others might agree that... any of us could be *wrong* )

[waxwing]

Maybe complacency? Being satisfied with the status-quo. Yeah, that's what I despise the most.

[Claverhouse]

I dunno exactly what the mot juste is for the trait i despise the most, if anyone knows it, speak up. the tendency of certain people (those who present themselves as a giant wall of emotional need) to carry their heart on their sleeve can best be summed up if i paint you a picture. you are watching a moofie with your friend mark and their girlfriend, denae. when denae says she has to go home, your friend offers to pause the moofie in order to walk her. denae says, "well, you probably want to finish your moofie....? besides, i'm a big girl and i dont need you to protect me" and mark says, "do you mind if i stay and watch it?" and denae says, "fine. i dont care." and then runs upstairs and slams the door. you and mark exchange a shrug and go back to your moofie. about fifteen minutes later you hear the door slam again, and then some stomping, and then denae walks back into the room with tears streaming down her face, and starts screaming at mark, "what the fuck? you're too selfish to walk me home! i waited outside in the cold for twenty minutes for you to come after me and you didnt even bother!"
basically what bothers me about the above situation is...
1. denae set a passive-aggressive trap for mark by telling him she doesnt care if he stays to watch the moofie, and by pre-emptively mentioning that she's a 'big girl' in order to minimize mark's range of responses. he's screwed either way.
2. denae admits she set a trap by telling how she sat outside in the hopes that he would chase her.
3. denae gets angry at mark for not falling into her trap.
i guess something along the lines of passive-aggressive, but that doesnt seem to cover the entire scope of the trait. emotional vaccuum?
Did anyone else laugh ?


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

I dont like when people write novels on the forum..so i try not to read them, but i guess if that's supposed to be funny I'll make an exception

upon reading it, I thought it was funny..but not the lol kind...more like the 'heh heh' kind. Mostly odd..