manifest destiny vs. canada

[INTerloPer]

True, the good ole US of A has long since believed itseld to be the ruler of all. everyone remember manifest destiny from school? my concern is that America is putting political pressure on Canada to keep us from de-criminalizing marijuana (and i just heard that prostitution is next on the de-crim list) by threatening us with tighter border controls and reduced trade. i realize that the US is attempting to return to 'family values' (ie. discrimination against gays, lesbians, divorcees and young punk drug addicts) but please dont try to hold canada to your stuff-shirted 1920's ideals.

[Helios]

google "manifest destiny" and then come back

[INTerloPer]

google "manifest destiny" and then come back
I'm assuming you wanted me to find that manifest destiny was the US tendency toward expansion (territorial or cultural) west into lands held by natives and british forces. I fail to see your point, however.

[Helios]

How fact that the early US leaders wanted to extend the US to the Pacific (like Canada did for example) now means "the good ole US of A has long since believed itseld to be the ruler of all" escapes me. Unless you were a Western Native American who got royal fucked by the US gov, it really doesn't hold much water to me.

The US does lots of stupid and ignorant shit, kills people, make terrible messes all overthe world, and such, I fail to see why the need to make such leaps of interpretation

[INTerloPer]

There is a certain arrogance that US politics convey. Wether a result of arrogance or ignorance I'm not sure. When I said that Americans believe they are the rulers of all I meant that their political actions against other nations give the impression that they believe their own viewpoints to be more valid than their global counterparts.

[Helios]

and this would differ from all prior world powers how? This is humanity in action baby! Same shit, different flag dude!

[INTerloPer]

Does precedent give moral sanction? I think not...
Been fun locking swords (no pun intended) but I must give in to sleep, as society's blind observence of the farmer clock demands i awake at day break.

[Helios]

No, it just makes being cynical easy!



Hey, man I'll lock swords with ya anytime (pun intended) :smooch:


I mean you must see I am not burdened by much guilt ridden morality, LMAO!

[misutii]

How fact that the early US leaders wanted to extend the US to the Pacific (like Canada did for example) now means "the good ole US of A has long since believed itseld to be the ruler of all" escapes me. Unless you were a Western Native American who got royal fucked by the US gov, it really doesn't hold much water to me.

The US does lots of stupid and ignorant shit, kills people, make terrible messes all overthe world, and such, I fail to see why the need to make such leaps of interpretation

having grown up in Canada my education has been different.
For example... Niagara Falls is a perfect analogy of how the USA has thus far failed in their attempt at manifest destiny (conquering the continent) and attempted to turn their back on that failure.

You'll notice the Canadian side of Niagara Falls is beautiful and attracts much tourism...... everyone agrees it is superior to the American side....... the american side is neglected, factories polluting the air, prone to crime...... Niagara Falls, NY, is hideously ugly, and the US gov. doesn't and hasn't ever cared to clean it up, whereas the Canadian side is a different story.

Coincidence or consequence? dont trust everything you google (the american definition of manifest destiny is different than the canadian definition and it was counter-productive to bring up such a trivial thing as a response to a topic sensitive with canadians)

and for the record im not a typical US hating canadian, i agree with the war on iraq and am usually annoyed with the canadian prevalence of associating anti-americanism with pro-canadianism... in reality both countries suck from objective standards and the majority of the residents in each are utterly stupid and hopeless

[Helios]

<the USA has thus far failed in their attempt at manifest destiny (conquering the continent) and attempted to turn their back on that failure.>

No, it was to goto the West coast, had nothing to do with the whole continent.

But yeah the Canadian side is much more photogenic. Niagara on the Lake is pretty lil town too, a tad touristy, but hey I live in Florida ,so people in glass house shouldn't throw stones.

[Shai Gar]

people in glass houses sink ships

[relaxo]

You'll notice the Canadian side of Niagara Falls is beautiful and attracts much tourism...... everyone agrees it is superior to the American side....... the american side is neglected, factories polluting the air, prone to crime...... Niagara Falls, NY, is hideously ugly, and the US gov. doesn't and hasn't ever cared to clean it up, whereas the Canadian side is a different story.


Now that is truly a funny comment.

See how many tourists are on the Canadian side? See how many fast food outlets, how many hotels, all of the cars driving around, casinos?

Canada's Niagara Falls is outright commericial big corporate American style. If it was on the other side of the boarder, you'd bitch about how commercial the American side is and what a shame it is to do that to such a natural wonder as the falls.

I'll never go back to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls because it is over populated, give me the USA side any day. Not that I don't like all of the stuff and the $15 parking on our side, but I'll take advantage of the quieter US side any day, plus you get a view of all of the industry on the Canadian side from there too.

oh, and Niagara Falls is an ugly city on the Canadian side outside of the tourist area, well, even some parts of the tourist area are ugly too.

Typical Canadian Americaphobic comments.

[INTerloPer]

Now that is truly a funny comment.
See how many tourists are on the Canadian side? See how many fast food outlets, how many hotels, all of the cars driving around, casinos?
Canada's Niagara Falls is outright commericial big corporate American style. If it was on the other side of the boarder, you'd bitch about how commercial the American side is and what a shame it is to do that to such a natural wonder as the falls.
I'll never go back to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls because it is over populated, give me the USA side any day. Not that I don't like all of the stuff and the $15 parking on our side, but I'll take advantage of the quieter US side any day, plus you get a view of all of the industry on the Canadian side from there too.
oh, and Niagara Falls is an ugly city on the Canadian side outside of the tourist area, well, even some parts of the tourist area are ugly too.
Typical Canadian Americaphobic comments.
So here on the Canadian side of the border there are lots of tourists. Is this because they're trying to avoid the crime on your side? Our hotels, casinos, fast-food outlets - make money for us. True, it's commercial, probably one of the most touristy cities in ON - is it a coincidence that its right at your border, appealing to your greenbacks? And as was mentioned before, I am against American politics, not Americans (although in my experience many are ignorant, but I suppose that's a global problem these days). I also have to say that Canada is not perfect. Our wonderful healthcare system, the envy of the word, is falling apart due to long waiting times and a lack of long-term strategy/funding. Highschool is shorter, leaving many graduates unprepared. We haven't even decriminalized pot -again- yet. There's still a long way to go, but at least we're dealing with our internal problems before solving the percieved problems of the world (except for environmental concerns of course, burn the ozone!).

[Claverhouse]

My father was born at ( near ) Niagara Falls.

Now I'm never going to make the pilgrimage...



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ As far as Manifest Destiny ( which basically meant the right of a superior race to take away allegedly under-used land away from lesser breeds ) ever affected Canada: that little twister Franklin thought it would be a nice idea if the British gave the USA Canada after their defeat in the AWI; post-WBS, the little twister Seward thought it would be a nice idea if Britain gave the USA Canada to settle the 'Alabama' claims; and some time ago I read one of Mr. Cussler's sub-maritime adventures which ended with the gallant US crew salvaging a rare mineral from the Titanic in the teeth of Russian evil in order to construct Bonzo's Star-Wars Initiative in outer space and join Canada to the USA, under US leadership. None of these things came to pass, but it shows an idee fixe amongst a sector of American thinking. Also, as is customary in these affairs, no-one ever asked the Canadians what they thought. ]

[booyalab]

True, the good ole US of A has long since believed itseld to be the ruler of all. everyone remember manifest destiny from school? my concern is that America is putting political pressure on Canada to keep us from de-criminalizing marijuana

Holy crap, think about this.
The USA will probably never legalize marijuana. If Canada does, that would require a LOT MORE time and effort spent on strengthening security on the border that is currently like a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

*patronizing tone of voice because this is obvious*
You see, when something is in high demand and illegal, it is worth more than if it was legal and in wide circulation. (marijuana from Canada=cheaper than marijuana in US) Therefore, your marijuana will be pouring through the border....which is.....again..a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

This is more than the US being giant meanies.

[misutii]

Now that is truly a funny comment.

See how many tourists are on the Canadian side? See how many fast food outlets, how many hotels, all of the cars driving around, casinos?

Canada's Niagara Falls is outright commericial big corporate American style. If it was on the other side of the boarder, you'd bitch about how commercial the American side is and what a shame it is to do that to such a natural wonder as the falls.

I'll never go back to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls because it is over populated, give me the USA side any day. Not that I don't like all of the stuff and the $15 parking on our side, but I'll take advantage of the quieter US side any day, plus you get a view of all of the industry on the Canadian side from there too.

oh, and Niagara Falls is an ugly city on the Canadian side outside of the tourist area, well, even some parts of the tourist area are ugly too.

Typical Canadian Americaphobic comments.

As has already been mentioned, just exactly why are all the tourists on the Canadian side? despite your intp tendency to like peacefulness, SJ/SPs have no such qualms...
Considering America has went out of its way to Commericialize every other of its natural wonders, aren't you curious why Niagara Falls is the exception? I'm sure the answer isn't because it's "too beautiful" to commercialize, if my comments were funny then yours are worth of a stand up act.

As for manifest destiny.... how about the War of 1812? Americans thought it was their right to take Canada..... of course while they expected to just walk in and take it... they then realized that Canada was ALOT bigger than they had previously imagined... and then the white house was burned down by the British, haha
Despite what you read in your history books TODAY, the people a hundred years ago were reading things much differently, of course taking Canada is completely illogical today, but back then it was not so densely populated and prone to instability due to the English/French divide. Canadians tend to know more about America than Americans know about Canada. Have you ever taken a Canadian history course? Because at my university American history is mandatory and god its fucking boring, so im going to make sure the few things i pay attention to i communicate correctly (ok ive only been to class once... but i browsed the textbook and have a B) Definitions of words change throughout time.

[misutii]

Holy crap, think about this.
The USA will probably never legalize marijuana. If Canada does, that would require a LOT MORE time and effort spent on strengthening security on the border that is currently like a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

*patronizing tone of voice because this is obvious*
You see, when something is in high demand and illegal, it is worth more than if it was legal and in wide circulation. (marijuana from Canada=cheaper than marijuana in US) Therefore, your marijuana will be pouring through the border....which is.....again..a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

This is more than the US being giant meanies.


we are currently only attempting "decriminilization", go read the definition

because it is technically already decriminized here... (no one goes to jail or gets a record unless they are growing ALOT) it's just basically confirming what's already going on. The same amount will be going through the border in the end.
We send you weed, you send us cocaine and guns, i don't see how you're on the negative end... dont believe the bullshit your government feeds you, in Canada we atleast criticize the pathetic actions of our government on these issues and learn about how are government is stupid, so it's strange to hear about people who actually believe in their government.

[Claverhouse]

Holy crap, think about this.
The USA will probably never legalize marijuana. If Canada does, that would require a LOT MORE time and effort spent on strengthening security on the border that is currently like a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

*patronizing tone of voice because this is obvious*
You see, when something is in high demand and illegal, it is worth more than if it was legal and in wide circulation. (marijuana from Canada=cheaper than marijuana in US) Therefore, your marijuana will be pouring through the border....which is.....again..a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

This is more than the US being giant meanies.
That is not in any way an argument for Canada not to legalise maryjane. If they want to, that's their look-out, any bad consequences for the US state are for the US to worry about. Just as during prohibition a whole lot of booze came down the same border ( but mainly, thanks to the organisation that was in no way Italian/Sicilian, and to the Kennedys and other Irish boyos, over the lakes ).

No nation is under any obligation to suit it's law to conform with another nation's law. Only if there's a treaty-article specifying otherwise or sufficient money has changed hands.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

That is not in any way an argument for Canada not to legalise maryjane. If they want to, that's their look-out, any bad consequences for the US state are for the US to worry about. Just as during prohibition a whole lot of booze came down the same border ( but mainly, thanks to the organisation that was in no way Italian/Sicilian, and to the Kennedys and other Irish boyos, over the lakes ).

No nation is under any obligation to suit it's law to conform with another nation's law. Only if there's a treaty-article specifying otherwise or sufficient money has changed hands.
Claverhouse :ph34r:


Did I say that it was an argument for Canada not to legalize Marijuana? NO. I DID NOT. Did you read his post? He was complaining that the US was threatening to strengthen it's borders and restrict trade. He also attributed the US pressure on Canada to "imposing family values" and didn't seem to perceive any connection between the tightening of borders, restrictions of trade, and Canada's lax laws..not excluded to prostitution and marijuana use of course..since there's already the terrorist problem. No Canada doesn't have to listen to the US' persuasion, duh, that doesn't mean the US isn't allowed to try.

I shouldn't even have to respond to your post since you didnt read mine correctly, but yeah....I was explaining the ACTUAL reason behind "good ole US of A's" behavior.

God, I hate clarifying myself...I guess I should just learn to not give the other side of any subject in any thread unless I'm going to detail every implication and anticipate every possible misinterpretation.

[SensEye]

Holy crap, think about this.
The USA will probably never legalize marijuana. If Canada does, that would require a LOT MORE time and effort spent on strengthening security on the border that is currently like a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

*patronizing tone of voice because this is obvious*
You see, when something is in high demand and illegal, it is worth more than if it was legal and in wide circulation. (marijuana from Canada=cheaper than marijuana in US) Therefore, your marijuana will be pouring through the border....which is.....again..a 3,000 mile sieve with people shaped holes.

This is more than the US being giant meanies.This is one of the main reasons I would like to see Canada legalize marijuana. Supposing Canada did legalize it, after 5 years or so American's would look and probably see the following:

1) Canadian government making out like bandits from taxing it (same as they do with alcohol and tobacco today)
2) US spending a fortune on border police and failing to make any appreciable dent in the smuggling
3) Canadian society no worse for wear except for increased histrionics from the religious right and MADD

Not sure if the US could overcome their SJ nature and change, but it would be stupid not to. And it's always fun to watch SJ's being stupid and laugh.

[booyalab]

It's always fun to watch NTs who endorse drug use attribute any adversity to it as SJ stupidity. Oh wait it's not.

[Claverhouse]

Did I say that it was an argument for Canada not to legalize Marijuana? NO. I DID NOT. Did you read his post? He was complaining that the US was threatening to strengthen it's borders and restrict trade. He also attributed the US pressure on Canada to "imposing family values" and didn't seem to perceive any connection between the tightening of borders, restrictions of trade, and Canada's lax laws..not excluded to prostitution and marijuana use of course..since there's already the terrorist problem.

I shouldn't even have to respond to your post since you didnt read mine correctly, but yeah....I was explaining the ACTUAL reason behind "good ole US of A's" behavior.
Yours was an argument that the US had the right to impose it's family values upon the Canadian govt., by threatening to strengthen borders and restrict ( other --- eg other than importing/exporting prostitutes and drugs ) trade if they do not obey Big Brother and refrain from actions that offend him. Canada's laws may be 'lax' in the American view, but they are Canada's to choose.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

Yours was an argument that the US had the right to impose it's family values upon the Canadian govt., by threatening to strengthen borders and restrict ( other --- eg other than importing/exporting prostitutes and drugs ) trade if they do not obey Big Brother and refrain from actions that offend him. Canada's laws may be 'lax' in the American view, but they are Canada's to choose.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

:rofl:

So Canada is allowed to make the laws they want, but if the far-reaching implications of those laws infringe upon us negatively we can't defend ourselves? Even if in defending ourselves, we make decisions that fall cleanly within our national jurisdiction?

[booyalab]

I guess we should change the name to United States of Canada, in that case.

[MacGuffin]

:rofl:

So Canada is allowed to make the laws they want, but if the far-reaching implications of those laws infringe upon us negatively we can't defend ourselves? Even if in defending ourselves, we make decisions that fall cleanly within our national jurisdiction?
Haven't you been paying attention to this forum? Anything the U.S. does is inherently bad and evil.

[Claverhouse]

:rofl:

So Canada is allowed to make the laws they want, but if the far-reaching implications of those laws infringe upon us negatively we can't defend ourselves? Even if in defending ourselves, we make decisions that fall cleanly within our national jurisdiction?
Only if they fall within 'your' national jurisdiction.

I just love the word 'allowed'.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[SensEye]

It's always fun to watch NTs who endorse drug use attribute any adversity to it as SJ stupidity. Oh wait it's not.So you are in favor of an alcohol ban? You should be if your assertion that drug use is "bad". While it might be a bit harsh to consider logical inconsistency stupid, it's certainly not a sign of high intelligence.

If you ask most people why is alcohol a legal drug and pot an illegal drug, the majority will respond: because that's the way things are.

I have never seen anybody able to make a reasoned argument for this case. While real puritans will argue for banning alcohol, most people do not consider having a few drinks in a bar or at a football game the downfall of society. Why would pot be any worse? Oh wait, because people in authority tell you so.

[nihilist]

<the USA has thus far failed in their attempt at manifest destiny (conquering the continent) and attempted to turn their back on that failure.>
.

In a way, USA is still attempting manifest destiny. Americans are businessmen; they have no interest in conquering a country and subjugating it. On the contrary, they want citizens to feel a false sense of freedom while multinational corporations leeching the resources out of a nation have absolute power over the economy. And of course, the corporations are always shielded by the US government.

[Hypnos]

[...] Canadians tend to know more about America than Americans know about Canada. Have you ever taken a Canadian history course? [...]
No, but I haven't taken a Tongolese history course, either.

[Hypnos]

I don't think booyalab is making an argument about the reasonableness of drug prohibition (irrespective of her actual position). (S)he's saying that the US has absolute authority over its own borders -- period. If Canadia doesn't like some policy change over the US side of the border, tough.

[Hypnos]

In a way, USA is still attempting manifest destiny. Americans are businessmen; they have no interest in conquering a country and subjugating it. On the contrary, they want citizens to feel a false sense of freedom while multinational corporations leeching the resources out of a nation have absolute power over the economy. And of course, the corporations are always shielded by the US government.
The problem is not with the corporations per se, but the lack of rule of law, corruption/influence peddling and the poor protection of the liberties of the citizens in the countries you refer to.

[mgb]

Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with booyalab. America can "try" and force it's family values on Canada, and if Canada agrees to it, that is Canada's problem. Of course the US can't tie family values in with trade disputes, that would be illegal.

Sounds like Niagra Falls is a shithole on both sides. I won't be going there anytime soon.

As for manifest destiny. There might be a few people in the US government who still think it's the right way to go...but I don't think that's what the US is after anymore.

[misutii]

No, but I haven't taken a Tongolese history course, either.

and then you wonder why canadians and europeans are often so frustrated

while i notice many 'the US is bad blah blah blah" arguments i also notice just as many 'anything you say against the US is stereotypical bullshit blah blah blah arguments' coming from americans who dont know where they're coming from (other than that it's from somewhere in the US... on the left-hand side of the world?)

booyalab, you've obviously not researched the marijuana situation in Canada. As i said, IT IS ALREADY technically decriminalized. there's atleast 3 dealers within 5 minutes of me, probably more that i don't know of, the authorit,ies only prosecute big grow-ops/this would not change with decriminalization (i believe britain already has deciminalization?). in my the city where i live (London, but also in every other medium-big city) there is cafes where you can literally bring your weed, rent bongs and smoke to your heart's content. the authorities know of these places and don't care.

Decriminalization would simply be a formality of what already exists. Hence this thread was pointing at the irrationality of the American government, sure it has the right to do what it wants, but it is irrational to believe that decriminalization is going to send more weed across the border

SO PLEASE lets take this topic away from a SOVEREIGNTY issue and make it more fun to debate, let's just pretend we all know that every country is (or pretends to be) sovereign

[Hypnos]

and then you wonder why canadians and europeans are often so frustrated
I've taken European and Asian history, because those places are important historically. Canada? No. At least Australia is cool, with many venomous animals.

Canadians in Canada aren't even as polite as advertised.

[misutii]

I've taken European and Asian history, because those places are important historically. Canada? No. At least Australia is cool, with many venomous animals.

Canadians in Canada aren't even as polite as advertised.

yes i know most canadians are stupid... im forced to live with them and it sucks.
But still it's not an exciuse to hold the false belief that the USA won the war of 1812...... and considering we're the second largest land-mass, and you are dependent on us for fresh=water and electricity... i'd wager that knowing a little bit about your neighbour may be beneficial in the long run (because as time passes our resources are going to be ALOT more important to you..... specifically to your golfcourses in arizona)

[mgb]

I've taken Canadian history and US history courses. They are both really boring. It's not like 300 years is long enough to build up some amazing traditions.

The Middle East, Greece and Italy have interesting histories.

[Hypnos]

yes i know most canadians are stupid... im forced to live with them and it sucks.
There are stupid people everywhere. You can only hope that they leave you alone -- most of the US is better this way than every other place.


But still it's not an exciuse to hold the false belief that the USA won the war of 1812......
The British are no longer impressing our sailors, and few people north of the border are upset that the border isn't further north. Worked out reasonably well.


and considering we're the second largest land-mass, and you are dependent on us for fresh=water and electricity... i'd wager that knowing a little bit about your neighbour may be beneficial in the long run (because as time passes our resources are going to be ALOT more important to you..... specifically to your golfcourses in arizona)
So Paul Martin should report to our Secretary of the Interior? Or maybe we need a Bureau of Canadian Affairs, and y'all can open casinos all over California :devil:

[nihilist]

The problem is not with the corporations per se, but the lack of rule of law, corruption/influence peddling and the poor protection of the liberties of the citizens in the countries you refer to.

That's another story. I was not referring to the internal problems of a country's government. My point was that in the name of freedom and democracy, America has always exploited the resources of a country for purely financial gain. Just take a cursory glance at who profited most from the Iraq war: defense companies. Anyway, I am going off on tangents. This thread is more about Canada and substance use/abuse.

[INTerloPer]

I've taken European and Asian history, because those places are important historically. Canada? No. At least Australia is cool, with many venomous animals.

Canadians in Canada aren't even as polite as advertised.

If Canadian history is so unimportant (I agree that it is), why do Americans bother rewriting it to make themselves look better? This type of historical amnesia can only lead to bad decisions based on slippery 'facts'.

[INTerloPer]

:rofl:

So Canada is allowed to make the laws they want, but if the far-reaching implications of those laws infringe upon us negatively we can't defend ourselves? Even if in defending ourselves, we make decisions that fall cleanly within our national jurisdiction?

First, let me say that finalizing decriminalization of marijuana will have no impact on Americans. We already ship most of our "export" grade buds south anyway.
Second, let me ask why you think Canadian weed would have a negative effect on the USA? The only possible side-effect I can see is that it might reduce some gun-related deaths (what stoner wants to shoot someone when they could just grab some munchies instead?)
Thirdly, we allow America to take whatever steps necessary to protect themselves from our leaky border. Our terrorist training camps, marijuana grow-ops and moonshine (oh, wait, you already scrapped prohibition? how progressive...) can all stay here in Canada. Just dont be suprised that if you make it a hassle to cross the border - we wont. China's a much less over-bearing trading partner anyway.

[Hypnos]

If Canadian history is so unimportant (I agree that it is), why do Americans bother rewriting it to make themselves look better? This type of historical amnesia can only lead to bad decisions based on slippery 'facts'.
Which "rewrites" did you have in mind?

And why does it matter? I call Canadian history unimportant because no one will be looking to it for perspective on current issues.

[INTerloPer]

Which "rewrites" did you have in mind?

And why does it matter? I call Canadian history unimportant because no one will be looking to it for perspective on current issues.

From what I've gathered from Canadian history teachers (their opinions may be biased, due to anger at the fact that their brains were not drain-worthy), Americans use textbooks as just another form of propoganda. Two brief examples (one historical and one current) are:
1. the war of 1812 - US texts 'skim' this war, prefering to focus on more positive outcomes
2. recently texas health curriculum was modified to include disgusting comments about gays and lesbians. why are you lying to your children?

[Hypnos]

1. the war of 1812 - US texts 'skim' this war, prefering to focus on more positive outcomes
It wasn't very significant to the US, apart from the fact that the British were repulsed a 2nd time and US sailors were no longer being impressed. Everyone seems happy with the location of the US-Canada border.

Now the French and Indian war -- that was significant.


2. recently texas health curriculum was modified to include disgusting comments about gays and lesbians. why are you lying to your children?
Yes, it's shameful. But the attempts are pretty transparent. Compare with Japan, which tried to rewrite its occupation of China.

[crule81]

From what I've gathered from Canadian history teachers (their opinions may be biased, due to anger at the fact that their brains were not drain-worthy), Americans use textbooks as just another form of propoganda. Two brief examples (one historical and one current) are:
1. the war of 1812 - US texts 'skim' this war, prefering to focus on more positive outcomes


I was taught that the war of 1812 was a pointless excercise that nearly caused the New England states to secede and resulted in the burning of our capital. This war is "skimmed" because it was a sideshow to the Napoleonic wars and led to no significant changes. The Battle of New Orleans is considered significant because it led to the rise of the dreaded Andrew Jackson, the first piece of white trash to hold the office of President of the United States.

[Helios]

crule81 stop confusing people with facts!

[MacGuffin]

...led to the rise of the dreaded Andrew Jackson, the first piece of white trash to hold the office of President of the United States.Yes! God, how I loathe Old Hickory.

That braying jackass.

[HeyBooU]

The Battle of New Orleans is considered significant because it led to the rise of the dreaded Andrew Jackson, the first piece of white trash to hold the office of President of the United States.
Damn the twenty dollar bill!!!

[Dman]

You'll notice the Canadian side of Niagara Falls is beautiful and attracts much tourism...... and the US gov. doesn't and hasn't ever cared to clean it up, whereas the Canadian side is a different story.

On the contrary...

http://www.hazmatmag.com/posted_documents/nrtmp/niagara_1.asp


(thanks to Sir Isaac Lime who illustrated to me the importance of posting links, rather than relying on readers researching items themselves)

[misutii]

On the contrary...

http://www.hazmatmag.com/posted_documents/nrtmp/niagara_1.asp


(thanks to Sir Isaac Lime who illustrated to me the importance of posting links, rather than relying on readers researching items themselves)

image is everything, according to the thousands of tourists that report is inconsequential, and according to my eyes, that report is inconsequential, in other words im just too lazy to read it but know from my experience that the Canadian side is more beautiful

[Dman]

image is everything, according to the thousands of tourists that report is inconsequential, and according to my eyes, that report is inconsequential, in other words im just too lazy to read it but know from my experience that the Canadian side is more beautiful

Fair enough.

The report just illustrates that somewhere, someone in the US actually DOES care and is trying to do something about it, other than just making it "look" pretty.

A long time ago the border between Oregon & California was the same way, you could determine the border by the way the cleanliness off the roadside ended and the garbage started the instant you crossed into Cal. Not sure if it's still like that. I think it's an "image vs. priorities" thing.

[Lucas]

In a way, USA is still attempting manifest destiny. Americans are businessmen; they have no interest in conquering a country and subjugating it.

The majority of the MNC of the world are outside of the United States. This is part of the western concept of 'progress' and profit, not something uniquely American.


Would you guess which country in the world is the home to the largest number of multinational corporations? It is not the US, Britain or Japan. Some 9,356 multinationals have chosen Denmark as their home, followed closely by Germany. Sure, the wealthiest ones (93 out of the top 100) are still located in the US, Japan, and Europe, but the automatic assumption that big multinationals are American is simply no longer true. In 1962 almost 60 per cent of the world's top 500 multinationals were American but by 1999 American corporations accounted for only 36 percent of the total. http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/about/globalinc.jsp

Ignorant anti-americanism is all the rage down here in South America. I suppose it's the same in Canada. People simplify everything without knowing the issues.

[Pedro_The_Lion]

We need to take over Canada. Americans must regulate canadian bacon, mounties, and use of the "word" eh? Damn 15,000 man army... they're just asking to be pillaged.

[meshou]

True, the good ole US of A has long since believed itseld to be the ruler of all. everyone remember manifest destiny from school? my concern is that America is putting political pressure on Canada to keep us from de-criminalizing marijuana (and i just heard that prostitution is next on the de-crim list) by threatening us with tighter border controls and reduced trade. i realize that the US is attempting to return to 'family values' (ie. discrimination against gays, lesbians, divorcees and young punk drug addicts) but please dont try to hold canada to your stuff-shirted 1920's ideals.
Clearly, the solution is to invade Canada.

Manifest Destiny Vs. Canada-- FIGHT!

[Hypnos]

We need to take over Canada. Americans must regulate canadian bacon, mounties, and use of the "word" eh? Damn 15,000 man army... they're just asking to be pillaged.
That's right ... teasing bitches.

[relaxo]

I wish America would overthrow Canada. Our Liberal government are terrorists, economic terrorists. Please come and destroy them. I will open the gates of Canada for you. Nothing could be better for the decendents of this British nation to finally reunite with their cousins down south! (Quebec can go their own way).

[Hypnos]

I wish America would overthrow Canada. Our Liberal government are terrorists, economic terrorists. Please come and destroy them. I will open the gates of Canada for you. Nothing could be better for the decendents of this British nation to finally reunite with their cousins down south! (Quebec can go their own way).
No! We must also conquer Quebec:

http://schwartzsdeli.com

[J.L. des Alpins]

This thread has it all: the shit, the horse, and big holes…

What can possibly cause these Canadians here to post so much nonsense so fast? What the heck is their problem? Aren’t they supposed to be INTPs, or at least want to be associated with INTPs. Then why don’t they just relax, take a breath, let go a bit of their inflamed, immature, ill-directed, and irrational emotions, then come up with something valuable to say.

Canada is a lovely and respected nation, with rich multicultural traditions, and an history founded on human rights. One would think that a Canadian could easily draw from such an heritage. Canadians have no need of bashing contests.

JL

P.S. Maybe the famous Canadian sci-fi writer Robert Sawyer (http://www.sfwriter.com/) did described accurately the Canadian Problem when he said: “Canadians, we could have had it all, ‘British culture, French cuisine, and American know-how,’ but what we got instead is, ‘British cuisine, French know-how, and American culture.’”

[misutii]

I wish America would overthrow Canada. Our Liberal government are terrorists, economic terrorists. Please come and destroy them. I will open the gates of Canada for you. Nothing could be better for the decendents of this British nation to finally reunite with their cousins down south! (Quebec can go their own way).

no! quebec is the only thing that redeems this boring nation as unique

[Pedro_The_Lion]

I just saw that save Toby website. Maybe the US should post a similar website... $10 trillion or Canada gets it.

[shaytana]

We need to take over Canada. Americans must regulate canadian bacon, mounties, and use of the "word" eh? Damn 15,000 man army... they're just asking to be pillaged.

No way, Canada will win.

We got a plan (http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/)

[Hypnos]

No way, Canada will win.

We got a plan (http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/)
I always knew Alan Thicke was a spy ... "Growing Pains" my foot!