Bush

[Division56]

What's your opinion? This open to voting by anyone, US resident or non-US resident.

[Claverhouse]

I assumed that non-Americans could have a view, so I voted. You don't really have to ask which. :ph34r: :rant: :angry: :ph34r:



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Johnny]

On the flipside, is there a president that you do support (or would have supported)? If so, may I ask who? If I may, who then?

[Utopmk]

Kerry and Bush have similar agendas.

[shaytana]

Go Nader!

[file cabinet]

ultimately I don't think it would matter who I voted for. although I "prefer" kerry there would probably not be many long term differences.

[Claverhouse]

[ Benevolently ]

If Johnny was responding to my post: Divine Right monarchists don't go for any presidents. But since it is essential for the balance between good and evil that some countries must be republics, including the USA & Switzerland & most of Africa, I'd have to say I'd like you to ensure the election of the estimable Mr. Nader.

See to it at once.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


& don't forget the estimable word 'whom' :hello: :rofl:

[Division56]

I assumed that non-Americans could have a view, so I voted. You don't really have to ask which. :ph34r: :rant: :angry: :ph34r:



Claverhouse :ph34r:


Yes, everyone should vote.

[Johnny]

British humor confounds me, but I still enjoyed watching the Benny Hill Show as a child.:D

[Division56]

On the flipside, is there a president that you do support (or would have supported)? If so, may I ask who? If I may, who then?


I was a Kerry supporter until he advocated constitutional amendments in opposition to gay marriage. Now I have no one to put my trust in, Bush hates gays, Kerry couldn't give a shit about gays and Nader won't win.

:( <_<

[Jkrs]

Elections, at least in the U.S., are nearly always a choice of which is the lesser of two evils.

http://www.chaosium.com/catalog/images/CHA0087.gif
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[Claverhouse]

That is awesome !

Forget Nader, I want this chap in charge of the USA.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

British humor confounds me, but I still enjoyed watching the Benny Hill Show as a child.:D

Actually I missed Benny Hill because I wasn't watching TV then ( I don't now because unless you live over here you cannot imagine how immensely and courageously British TV sucks ) ( They've completely stopped all American sitcoms which made up for a lot of stuff the US does to the rest of the world; but they still import The Father Dowling Mysteries & the Dick van Dyke thing as a medical sleuth and those earily awful made-for-TV films where young career women are magnetically drawn to men who turn out to be serial killers, and believe it or not, these things are still 250 times better than anything the British can do... ) but in an hotel room once I caught the end of a Benny Hill programme & saw a row of police-women doing a can-can; and I realised, this too was art.

Anyway, British humour isn't difficult: we're just misunderstood.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[ohnoaninfp]

I think everyone should vote for me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Vagabond]

Anyway, British humour isn't difficult: we're just misunderstood.
For all it counts, it is my favourite kind of humour. Too Fivish to ignore, heh heh :D

[Johnny]

...I caught the end of a Benny Hill programme & saw a row of police-women doing a can-can; and I realised, this too was art.

Art, indeed. And now, in exchange for supporting my wife's decision (but not mine, sorry) to vote for Nader, perhaps you can help me understand why Dr. Who is so popular here in the States? :D

[Claverhouse]

And now, in exchange for supporting my wife's decision (but not mine, sorry) to vote for Nader, perhaps you can help me understand why Dr. Who is so popular here in the States? :D


Helas No. I've always disliked that sort of stuff. ( Although some SF is OK: earlier today I was brooding on a long-remembered short story by Brian Aldiss, Old Hundredth [ It's a German Church Anthem that used to be very popular in Britain, All People That On Earth Do Dwell ]. Used to read SF at school but gave it up for more rewarding themes. ).



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[paladinoflunaria]

Elections, at least in the U.S., are nearly always a choice of which is the lesser of two evils.

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Holy crap! That is brilliant.

[Sugaraddict2702]

I would like to see bush gone, but kerry doesn't seem like a much better candidate... :( what's really bothering me right now is the gay marriage issue. I can't believe they are making that big a fuss about it! last year gay marriage was finally (!) allowed in Belgium, and I have never seen happier people walk out the town hall! I don't get how people can be so blind...
And as far bush is concerned, I don't believe a word of what he says, I always get the feeling he's just telling what others forced him to tell. *sigh*
I hope kerry wins, he can't be worse than bush...I hope.

Ellen*

[Division56]

Kerry wants a ban on gay marriage too... :(

[HairlessBluetick]

*sigh* I may not like Kerry, but Bush scares me. Although that's disappointing about Kerry and gay marriage, I hadn't heard that dor some reason. :(.

[Sugaraddict2702]

Kerry wants a ban on gay marriage too... :(

yeah I know, but bush wanted to alter the constitiution for it.
:rant: :(

Ellen*

[Crazy]

I like Bush. I really could give a shit about gay marriage, national debt, or immigration, Bush pays the Military better than any other President has, and I'm in the military. Kerry will cut military spending. i don't like that.

[Division56]

Adds weight to my theory that the only two reasons someone could be conservative are either religion or money...

[Crazy]

You forgot sex

http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=318

[Hunter]

Voting Cthulhu is so old school...in a good way like Mario Brothers or Castlevania.

I'll vote Kerry, we need the shrub out of office. Course, once I'm done with college I'm heading for Canada, then probably Japan and/or the Netherlands.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/DarthBush.jpg

/nothing else to say

[Sugaraddict2702]

Course, once I'm done with college I'm heading for Canada, then probably Japan and/or the Netherlands.


take an umbrella, my friend, if you go to the netherlands, and watch out for the bikes! ;)

Ellen*

[Miss Padfoot]

I loathe Bush. I don't mind Kerry - he's not my favorite guy in the world, but at least he seems a bit more competent. He seems to know how to strike a good balance between quick, resolute strength and careful consideration. Bush seems like he doesn't think before taking action.

[HairlessBluetick]

Bush seems like he doesn't think before taking action.

Or at all.

[CosmicDust]

I'm not fond of Bush, but I'm not sure if Kerry would do that much better a job. It's hard to imagine him doing that much worse, though, unless the frightened conservatives who fear that voting our war prez out will embolden our foes are right. I voted that I oppose Bush, but I'm not a Kerry nut either - I'm a cynic who found that JibJab.com lampooning quite amusing. I'll likely vote "third party" (Nader) again, since being in Democrat-owned Massachusetts (we have a Republican governor, but most of our state Congress and pretty much all of our Federal representation is Democratic) Kerry will win my state anyway and thus my vote won't really count.

[int]

I think he's disillusioned and misinformed. His views of reality scare me. His use of marketing tactics is ingenious.

I'm in the "anybody but Bush" camp.

4 years ago I actually cared and would have gotten into strategic voting and such, optimizing the left agenda while trying to introduce a 3rd party.. Now all I want to do is be with my wife and grow as an individual lemming.

Since I can't vote I remind my wife that party trumps the individual...just vote democratic until the changes come about.

heh. Maybe I still do care, just in a different manner...


<edit>Kerry won't ban gay marriages. He'll probably work to roll the issue off to the next election, if not the next guy.</edit>

[Hunter]

About the only things making Kerry better than Bush are-
1. He doesn't take orders from the invisible man in the sky.
2. He has a sense of reality when it comes to money.

People born and raised with silver spoons in their mouths should not be allowed to become president.

[Division56]

It's pretty bad when people are saying the Democrat has the better sense of money. :lol:

[Johnny]

It's pretty bad when people are saying the Democrat has the better sense of money. :lol:
Especially considering that Kerry didn't buy himself out of the Vietnam War.

Maybe that's one of the places that inspired him to learn to manage money so well.:lol:

[KentOhio]

The only reason people like kerry is that he's on both sides of every issue. You want examples? Name an issue.

[HairlessBluetick]

The only reason people like kerry is that he's on both sides of every issue. You want examples? Name an issue.

Waffling about is preferable to thinking that god gives you answers. Excuse me -- "KNOWING" that god gives you answers. No one who is THAT sure of his opinions should be in control of anything, let alone a country as large/powerful/whatever as the US.

[Melody]

I am reminded of Hagakure, which contains a lot about The Way of The Samurai. For samurai, once a decision to do something has been made, they must focus without reserve into doing it. This is considered better than any ruminating.

We are in Iraq. We cannot change that. I want the next president to finish what we started.

I believe this is one of the reasons Bush is supported. He did not ruminate, and people believe he had good reasons to enter Iraq. They believe that Kerry's indecisiveness is less acceptable than Bush's deciciveness, which they believe is required to finish what we started in Iraq.

[KentOhio]

Yeah, I want a decisive president. He's sure of himself; that's a good thing.

[Johnny]

The only thing I'm sure of is Bush's ability to do precisely what he is told and his inability to do anything else. It's a total waste of our tax dollars. I say we let the person calling the shots also do the work, or get rid of that governmental position.

Now go do some work, Kerry.:lol:

[Claverhouse]

Oh hell, for different reasons, not even connected to my own character, I'm possibly the only person I can think of who finds 'indecisiveness' often a good thing, and not the epitome of evil stupidity that most conceive it.

My heroes include Bismarck, Charles I & Frederick the Great, who were none of them the types to rush things or always sure of the correct answer. Decisiveness, and Death-Rides, are both sometimes admirable and necessary, but they're not the entire answer to life.

Let's hear it for indecision ! Infuriating, maybe; futile, sometimes; inglorious, occasionally: but it cuts down the chance of drowning in mud at the behest of incompetent self-assured rushing fools.

:devil:



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Melody]

Well, a samurai would answer, "That does not matter." If a friend of theirs is killed by an opposing clan; even knowing that waiting five weeks to attack the murderers would guarantee slaughtering them, they would not wait. They would attack them as soon as possible.

This idea works very well on strategy games like Warcraft III, where indecision can wither your forces, but complete focus even with a weak army can cause your opponent severe damage. It can also be a bad thing, however. Does anyone know the details of Hitler's decisions before losing WWII? If I remember correctly, it is related to this topic. I believe he employed this concept, but it cost him. :D

I think either extreme is stupid, but extreme decisiveness is better than extreme indecisiveness (which would get nothing done.)

[HairlessBluetick]

Oh hell, for different reasons, not even connected to my own character, I'm possibly the only person I can think of who finds 'indecisiveness' often a good thing, and not the epitome of evil stupidity that most conceive it.

My heroes include Bismarck, Charles I & Frederick the Great, who were none of them the types to rush things or always sure of the correct answer. Decisiveness, and Death-Rides, are both sometimes admirable and necessary, but they're not the entire answer to life.

Let's hear it for indecision ! Infuriating, maybe; futile, sometimes; inglorious, occasionally: but it cuts down the chance of drowning in mud at the behest of incompetent self-assured rushing fools.

:devil:



Claverhouse :ph34r:

Hear hear. I, luckily, am not a samurai.

[Claverhouse]

Does anyone know the details of Hitler's decisions before losing WWII? If I remember correctly, it is related to this topic. I believe he employed this concept, but it cost him. :D

He had to make an enormous number of decisions, being a workaholic micromanager ( & to do him justice, as not all will feel inclined to do, not all of them badly: but the illnesses and drugs didn't help at all, apart from the fact that no-one is as competent as they believe themselves to be ); but a real bad one was refusing to allow 6th Army to withdraw from Stalingrad, as most officers wished. This was part of a general pattern on his part, insisting on all ground being held when the lines needed shortening. And very unGermanic it was too: they generally valued the Aim rather than territory in their military past. What does it matter if you lose a few towns ? Better that than being destroyed.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Johnny]

Let's hear it for indecision ! Infuriating, maybe; futile, sometimes; inglorious, occasionally: but it cuts down the chance of drowning in mud at the behest of incompetent self-assured rushing fools.
This is quite funny.:lol:

Still, indecision doesn't exempt one from being waylaid by the same unfortunate attributes of incompetence, self-assuredness, or foolishness. Though the mud may appear to require some strain to reach and easy to avoid by staying put, we take our chances regardless.:D

[Dengarm]

When the Bush Supporters harrass me I find it hard to tell them just one reason I hate Bush. Here are 113 good reasonsand counting, they update daily.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/bush/

[Avengardh]

How come I missed this thread?

Bush...we can say I am negative about him, this is, of course, dimmed down quite a lot from the actualy truth, because I have to be tactful in real life.

He is a banana peel to the world, that is as much as I will say without getting pissed off :D

~*Aven*~

[jimkopelli]

I got to see Nader speak, live... he seemed to know his stuff. He seemed generally anti-politics... and I found that interesting. I figure that anyone who actually runs for office doesn't want it for the people, they want it for them. Conversely, those who would do the best job in office never run. I think there was a short story about that somewhere... they had a computer pick, and it couldn't find anyone who could meet its standards. It ended up electing itself, so they unplugged it.

[nobarcode]

During the last elections, the majority of people in the States didn't vote. I consider that a vote for Nobody. Nobody sounds like a good candidate to me too.

[jimkopelli]

Nader mentioned that... said there should be a space on the ballot for "I don't like any of the choices" and make it enforceable. If the vote of no confidence won, they would do another election with a different set of candidates.

[nobarcode]

I've just always thought it was fun to think about in realistic terms. To me there are far more benefits to having Nobody for president than anyone else. Nobody to start wars ( of course, who would end them say the naysayers?), to argue or disagree with, to make stupid policies, whose salary to pay with my tax dollars, to have to protect with my taxt dollars, to receive blowjobs in the white house, to serve in the military, to have never done drugs of any kind B). Nobody cannot possibly be involved in any conspiracy, nor can Nobody take away any freedoms. It just goes on and on, but I'm not feeling very creative at the moment. Just for fun sometimes though, when I listen to the news or news reports, I replace whatever politician's name being referenced with Nobody. Announcer: "Today, Nobody signed the Patriot Act, which in effect....

:cheers:

[Dengarm]

Oooh, nobarcode, you sound like a true anarchist. Better watch out, because someone did sign the patriot act.

[Mazirah]

Elections, at least in the U.S., are nearly always a choice of which is the lesser of two evils.

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So true... and that is an excellent T-shirt!!!!!

Oh yeah, and Go Nader!!

~Maz

[nobarcode]

Pfft -Nader's a pawn.

http://www.gunsanddope.com/ :D


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/nobarcode/ToleratingHobbies.jpg

[Mazirah]

Pfft -Nader's a pawn.


Who's pawn is he?

~Maz

[nobarcode]

*chuckles*

Yours ;-)

[Slider]

so there is a party for me!



that's very scary . . .

[Ellipsis]

I am surprised at how many people supported Bush.....

Too bad this wasn't Public.......