Obama picks Biden

[g_vartan]

So after the loooong wait, Obama finally picks Joe Biden as his VP. He seems to be a safe pick - he's got strong foreign policy credentials, lengthy Washington experience, and has appeal to working-class voters. But is he enough to get Obama elected? Do you think Obama made the right choice? Recent reports show that McCain and Obama are neck and neck and a lot of Clinton supporters are still undecided if they will vote for Obama.

Thoughts?

[ajblaise]

Good pick. Very likable guy, relates to normal folk better, foreign policy credentials...

And about the polls, yes they are neck and neck with Obama barely leading, but when you break it down state by state and look at it electorally, Obama has a healthy lead.

[dubbeltop]

Obama picks Biden

Looking picture perfect......marriage ?

[ajblaise]

Another big plus is that Biden is perceived an as an open and candid person, more so than Obama and much more than McCain.

I think this round people will be looking for a P and VP who won't hold secrets and will be candid.

[g_vartan]

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I think this round people will be looking for a P and VP who won't hold secrets and will be candid.

I think that's a good point. I think its really Obama's game to lose. Biden seems to be well vetted. I don't believe he has any skeletons in the closet (...no John Edwards storyline here...) I'm just somewhat surprised that with all of Obama's talk of 'change,' he chose someone very safe and a Washington old-timer at that. Some pundits are saying that Obama needs someone that is a game-changer....several folks are thinking that his campaign is under-performing. I am not sure if 'safe' is good enough right now.

[g_vartan]

Obama picks Biden

Looking picture perfect......marriage ?

More like a marriage of convenience :highfive:

Biden kinda looks like George Washington...:ph34r:

[ajblaise]

I think that's a good point. I think its really Obama's game to lose. Biden seems to be well vetted. I don't believe he has any skeletons in the closet (...no John Edwards storyline here...) I'm just somewhat surprised that with all of Obama's talk of 'change,' he chose someone very safe and a Washington old-timer at that. Some pundits are saying that Obama needs someone that is a game-changer....several folks are thinking that his campaign is under-performing. I am not sure if 'safe' is good enough right now.

Biden's been in government for a long time, but he's not really a classic Washington insider. He doesn't even live in D.C. and he is the least wealthy person in the Senate, or close to it.

[Andantino]

More like a marriage of convenience :highfive:


Haha. Better than other things, I guess.

Biden kinda looks like George Washington...:ph34r:


He does look pretty old, I gotta say. I still can only imagine what it would've been like with Hillary as VP. Sadly, she'd probably still be in control, completely steam-rolling Obama.

On a side note - what do you guys think her MBTI type is?

[kendoiwan]

He should've dragged Colin Powell kicking and screaming if need be....

[Katzchen]

On a side note - what do you guys think her MBTI type is?

ISTJ?

[ajblaise]

He should've dragged Colin Powell kicking and screaming if need be....

I heard he will come out in support of Obama soon, that would be enough for me.

[Andantino]

ISTJ?


Really? Interesting. I would've thought more of an E...

[MacGuffin]

Best choice from the ones discussed in the media.

Needed a white guy sadly.

[kendoiwan]

Why not Ron Paul then if it HAD to be a white guy?

[MacGuffin]

Why not Ron Paul then if it HAD to be a white guy?
A viable white guy.

[Ferrus]

A man who plagiarises a Kinnock speech must either have a love of a) repeatedly losing to right-wing politicians b) pretty bloody awful at speeches altogether.

[g_vartan]

... I still can only imagine what it would've been like with Hillary as VP. Sadly, she'd probably still be in control, completely steam-rolling Obama.

On a side note - what do you guys think her MBTI type is?

Her type? Kick-ass! :p (Hil for the win in 2012 :banana: )

Oh MBTI type....not sure :mellow:

Best choice from the ones discussed in the media.

Needed a white guy sadly.

Obama *is* half white. But I understand your point. As a multi-racial person, this really irks me - how society imposes one's racial identity. For another time....


A man who plagiarises a Kinnock speech must either have a love of a) repeatedly losing to right-wing politicians b) pretty bloody awful at speeches altogether.

Its actually happens very often in political speeches. It's called 'leveraging thought leadership.' But hey, Obama could help out Biden on writing speeches while Biden could help Obama out on foreign policy (they could be like study buddies). I'm not sure who will be in charge of the economy though....

[Hermione]

Hahaha I'm getting what's left of my country back. Yes! score The dude is smart. Not as smart as Hil, but hey, what are you going to do?

We ARE going to send the neo con fascists straight to hell after all. I guess even MORE of them will be on the fucking forum then, though. Oh well, it will be worth it if we get a decent life style again like we had back in the day. Shit. I pretty much thawt it was a done deal, but new guy did very well. Bra fucking vo Score!!!!

[Shoot!]

I'm not sure who will be in charge of the economy though....

If you look at barack's website, he actually has some very viable plans/programs that he will put in place when he is elected for office. Of course, you don't hear anything about that from the media because they're too busy worrying about how the democrats would be faring if Hillary had the nomination instead of Obama... :banghead:

[C.J.Woolf]

A man who plagiarises a Kinnock speech must either have a love of a) repeatedly losing to right-wing politicians b) pretty bloody awful at speeches altogether.
Maybe so, but he said the best sound bite of the primary campaign:

"Rudy Giuliani. There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb, and 9/11."

Now he can recycle it for John McCain and replace 9/11 with POW.

[AllAboutSoul]

I think he's a great choice for all the reasons already mentioned. I like him.

[walfin]

Clinton must be sad

[angelique]

I think he's a rather apt choice. Of course, he wasn't my first choice, but I think he would fare well. He's quite charismatic, similar in speaking styles to Obama and generally makes a great first impression.

[thod]

Obama = Osama
Biden = Bin Laden

Someone is laughing at us.

[walfin]

Obama = Osama
Biden = Bin Laden

Someone is laughing at us.

Harhar. :P

[Ellipsis]

I don't like this guy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338



By choosing Joe Biden as their vice presidential candidate, the Democrats have selected a politician with a mixed record on technology who has spent most of his Senate career allied with the FBI and copyright holders, who ranks toward the bottom of CNET's Technology Voters' Guide, and whose anti-privacy legislation was actually responsible for the creation of PGP.

Ron Paul 2008! (Hey one can dream...at least for now...)

[Kate]

I don't like this guy.




Ron Paul 2008! (Hey one can dream...at least for now...)

I don't like him either. D: He's against file sharing, net neutrality, and encryption, which sort of makes me think of mccaintarded. :|

[jp007]

Extremely disappointed that Biden got the VP nod. I don't understand the praise being lavished on him by the first several posters one bit.

"I am a Zionist. You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist."

I mean fuck... Iran, ready or not, here we come...

[Kate]

Extremely disappointed that Biden got the VP nod. I don't understand the praise being lavished on him by the first several posters one bit.

"I am a Zionist. You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist."

I mean fuck... Iran, ready or not, here we come...

Did he actually say that?

[Karl]

Why did this pick surprise so many people?

[garak]

Who would you guys suggest for VP?

[jp007]

Did he actually say that?

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[Kate]

yAZmO80dLfE

o_O He's weird. And did you see how close the other guy got to him? :joft:

[garak]

Sucks, but most US politicans would call themselves Zionists too, if they weren't afraid of the soundbite police. The American government is Zionist, regardless of which party is in office.

[fripping]

Needed a white guy sadly.

true. but on the other hand, a white man in a subordinate position to a. . . GASP. . . colored person? middle america NO LIKEE.

thank god finally an opportunity to link this picture

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9981/ourcountry2tr0.png (http://imageshack.us)

[meanlittlechimp]

Who would you guys suggest for VP?

Wesley Clark. He has the most appeal to folks who are concerned about the US being "soft" on military issues. McCain wouldn't be able to use his military service in an attempt to play the patriotism card, which Bush did very effectively in previous elections.

Clark was 1st in his class at West Point, Rhodes Scholar, former General, Bronze and Silver Stars, shot 4 times in combat. Gun-toting rednecks in Texas and Georgia, would love this guy. If he ever had to debate the right on military issues, he would clown them easily.

Biden could alienate some of the dissatisfied Bush voters, the Dems need to convert; who might view him as too elite and upper crust. Bush had appeal, because of his everydayness - the dumb goofy fratboy, everyone can understand.

[garak]

Wesley Clark. He has the most appeal to folks who are concerned about the US being "soft" on military issues. McCain wouldn't be able to use his military service in an attempt to play the patriotism card, which Bush did very effectively in previous elections.

Clark was 1st in his class at West Point, Rhodes Scholar, former General, Bronze and Silver Stars, shot 4 times in combat. Gun-toting rednecks in Texas and Georgia, would love this guy. If he ever had to debate the right on military issues, he would clown them easily.

Biden could alienate some of the dissatisfied Bush voters, the Dems need to convert; who might view him as too elite and upper crust. Bush had appeal, because of his everydayness - the dumb goofy fratboy, everyone can understand.

I dunno, I always thought Clark had an elite vibe to him as well. He was a freakin' general. And he comes off as smart and articulate, which is hardly what the anti-intellectual retards out there are looking for. They want dumb, simple, aggressive catchphrases like "drill here, drill now."

[g_vartan]

....And he comes off as smart and articulate, which is hardly what the anti-intellectual retards out there are looking for. They want dumb, simple, aggressive catchphrases like "drill here, drill now."

QFT- The funny (or sad thing) is that the American people previously voted (twice!) for a guy who they felt they could have a beer with....a simple, everyday man....a man of "values".....and look where it got us... :stupid: What are "values" if you can't feed your kids? <_<

And when did eloquence and intelligence become disqualifiers for the positions of American president and VP? Are we that insecure or stupid as a nation? Maybe we should elect our next president American Idol-style :rolleyes:

[kendoiwan]

Biden gave a good speech last night. So did Kerry and Clinton.

[kuranes]

The American government is Zionist, regardless of which party is in office.
This can lead to unnecessary hurdles, considering that Obama says he's open to talking out differences between feuding countries versus acting unilaterally.

Biden gave off some good vibes in his speech, though.

Meh.

I still like them as a team better than McCain's group, and that seems to be the bottom line.

[meanlittlechimp]

And when did eloquence and intelligence become disqualifiers for the positions of American president and VP? Are we that insecure or stupid as a nation? Maybe we should elect our next president American Idol-style :rolleyes:
We elected Bush didn't we? Obama is considered elite by many because he's articulate and taught an ivy league education (even if he wasn't born with silver spoon). Bush who actually was an elite, who inherited everything, didn't get the eilte handicap, exactly because he's not articulate. The only democrats who ever won the Presidency, except JFK, were always from the South. The southern accent (which is less refined) gives them the air, to not come off as upper crust and out of touch that is necessary to win swing states and rednecks throughout the south and midwest.

Not sure how true this is (but I wouldn't put it past the neo-con white house). Putin claims the Bush administration orchestrated the conflict in Georgia to help the Republicans in the coming race, because they know the atmosphere of military conflict always works in favor of the republicans. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586605.stm

The perceived strength on national security issues for the right is infuriating considering the entire cabinet didn't serve, McCain is the only hawk who actually has military service. I think Clark could take this advantage away (though Biden might actually make a better VP). If there was no 9/11, the Bush white house would not have won a second term.

[SWPIGWANG]

Can we have civil war mk2 yet?

[g_vartan]

We elected Bush didn't we? Obama is considered elite by many because he's articulate and taught an ivy league education (even if he wasn't born with silver spoon). Bush who actually was an elite, who inherited everything, didn't get the eilte handicap, exactly because he's not articulate. The only democrats who ever won the Presidency, except JFK, were always from the South. The southern accent (which is less refined) gives them the air, to not come off as upper crust and out of touch that is necessary to win swing states and rednecks throughout the south and midwest....

good point... :sadbanana: I foresee a change of paradigm in the near future though - with ideologies and "values" increasingly converging and becoming convoluted with the evolving demographic changes.