Any woman will do?

[wonderbucks]

McCain's running mate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/01/sarah-palin-mccains-vice_n_116383.html

Experiences is like...um minimal. And just in Alaska. What the hell is in Alaska?(sorry Alaskans)

As a woman, I feel greatly insulted.

Sad thing is she will snag some of the elderly female Hilary Clinton's supporters. They will love to see a woman as VP, before they like... um die.

[INA]

The Obamabots are probably wishing they had conducted a less derisive campaign against Clinton to not piss off her supporters that much. Oh well.

[Rajah]

Goddamn, that was an unexpected but genius choice.





Although so much for complaining about Obama's lack of experience...

[Ferrus]

I did see one article that suggested she 'lacked foreign policy experience', which made me wonder - do the Vice Presidents have the slightest influence over that? Dick Cheney excluded, naturally.

[Limey]

I hope all women feel insulted, because it's obviously a non-political, desperate attempt to gather up any of the disenfranchised Hillary supporters, including (and especially) the racist ones.

What I want to know, is when McCain is going to eat those nuts he's been storing in his cheeks - winter may never come to Arizona.

2008, the year that politician white women and black men became acceptable, nay sought.

[Ivy]

I hope all women feel insulted, because it's obviously a non-political, desperate attempt to gather up any of the disenfranchised Hillary supporters, including (and especially) the racist ones.

Absolutely. I also have a sinking feeling it's going to win the election for him. But that may be premature.

[Rajah]

I am insulted by it - it's such a transparent tactic. It's like they gathered in the back room in a game of political poker and just raised by one vagina. If you think for five seconds if she were a guy she'd have been chosen, you're deluded. This is not the way I want a woman to take office.

[Meliora]

She mighty purty fer dat der 44.:wub:

*considers voting for McCain for just a moment*

[Jennywocky]

Goddamn, that was an unexpected but genius choice.

As far as demographics go, damn straight... and no, I didn't expect it at all.
- 44 years old
- against abortion rights
- NRA member
- non-homely female and mom

He has sort of managed to negate Obama's demographic advantage.

They'll both have to focus on issues now.


I am insulted by it - it's such a transparent tactic. It's like they gathered in the back room in a game of political poker and just raised by one vagina. If you think for five seconds if she were a guy she'd have been chosen, you're deluded. This is not the way I want a woman to take office.

True.

But you know most people won't care, once the initial shock wears off. When they go into that booth, they'll still just focus on what is in front of them... and not on how things got arranged that way.

[Limey]

If we're lucky, maybe she can shoot him in the face in a hunting accident, having mistaken him for a large albino Squirrel.

[eyebyte_atWork]

I thought McCain's choice was kind of stupid.

The Republican base tends to be the religious conservative types. Adding a female has a new era hipster feel to it and that may scare away some McCain supporters. On the other hand will these probable swing voters vote for a black guy. Remember we ARE talking about right wing conservatives here - and many are older and more traditional in their belief systems (Many of which do not want to see either a black man or a woman as President).

[eyebyte_atWork]

Here's a much less flattering photograph (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html).

ANYWAY, back to discussion of the issues.

WhaachootalkinBoutWillis?, She is not bad looking at all.

[garak]

Once again we see Dems trying to take the high road, trying to be a little idealistic, trying to be uplifting, trying to be sophisticated -- and the GOP just sticks with simplistic and brutish. And wins.

The fact that McCain is even a viable candidate right now is enough of a signal to me that America is truly, fundamentally broken, in more than an "oops, sorry about Bush" kind of way.

[aether]

WhaachootalkinBoutWillis?, She is not bad looking at all.

She looks kinda Hispanic.

[MacGuffin]

So we will either see a black president, or woman VP.

Interesting.

[garak]

I guess she's better than Chelsea. (http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sarah_palin_02.jpg)

[outmywindow]

As for the 'WTF, Alaska?' factor, I assume the combination of vagina and apparent "insider" knowledge of the North Slope and its drilling potential explains why this particular woman was chosen, as opposed to some other.

[Jennywocky]

She looks kinda Hispanic.

I didn't know all those Mexican immigrants had flooded into the Great White North.


I guess she's better than Chelsea.

What a cute family.
They should play nicely on American TV.

[wonderbucks]

If we're lucky, maybe she can shoot him in the face in a hunting accident, having mistaken him for a large albino Squirrel.

Do not mock albino squirrels. :mad:

They have enough trouble as it is.

[aether]

I didn't know all those Mexican immigrants had flooded into the Great White North.


Not yet, but they are on their way...

[Arachne]

This just serves as a reminder that a McCain presidency will be full of surprises. He's willing to take big risks.

This could work splendidly for him... or it could really blow up in his face (a la Harriet Miers.)

[sairane]

With absolutely no clue about current american politics from this topic you have a choice between a black president and a female vp. Either will be different from the norm opposed to yet another white male. The knock on effects of raising the chances for any future women/other ethnic origin has to be a good thing.. right?

[wonderbucks]

I think his presidency will be be interesting, especially if he really is INTP.

Who is an INTP?

[aether]

Who is an INTP?

The typeLogic (http://typelogic.com/) website has McCain down as an INTP.

[wonderbucks]

The typeLogic (http://typelogic.com/) website has McCain down as an INTP.

Really. I figured McCain to be an ISFP. I'm fairly new to MBTI, so I'm problably wrong.

[bclark619g]

Here is my take. She is basically an average American. She went to the University of Idaho. Has 5 kids. Married her high school sweetheart. Stayed close to her roots. Has raised a large family without a wealthy background. Is from outside of Washington, DC. Speaks well and appears to be strong. Has actually tried to do something about getting more energy for this country. Is holding executive office. Was not positioning for political office her whole adult life. Doesn't stutter. Will look good sitting next to Pelosi at the State of the Union speach. Shows that in America you don't need to go to the elite schools to get ahead. (I'll agree that I would have jumped at the chance to go to one, though.) She's a Republican and a union member.

I think strategically, it is a great exciting choice and highlights risk taking and change. Obama could have done the same thing, but chose another path. And he didn't need to pick Clinton either--not picking her shows good judgment.

[Guitarded]

The Obamabots are probably wishing they had conducted a less derisive campaign against Clinton to not piss off her supporters that much. Oh well.

What? Clinton led the nasty campaign. She's a dirty scrap fighter with no inhibitions, and now that Obama won, she cannot be the vice presidential nominee because the republicans would use every dirty thing she said about Obama against the two of them, painting them as a broken team, which they would be, because HILLARY is a dirty fighter.

[Guitarded]

The typeLogic (http://typelogic.com/) website has McCain down as an INTP.

I seriously doubt that. He is imprecise with language, and has changed his political ideology to reflect the conventional, inferior views of the rest of the republican party so he can win over the republican core, which has been at odds with him forever. He's willing to change what he believes in to win votes, and become the Republican nominee. He lost my respect when he lost his critical thinking.

[Jennywocky]

Really. I figured McCain to be an ISFP. I'm fairly new to MBTI, so I'm problably wrong.

probably.

But at least you didn't think he was an INTP.

[Vegetable Lamb]

As for the 'WTF, Alaska?' factor, I assume the combination of vagina and apparent "insider" knowledge of the North Slope and its drilling potential explains why this particular woman was chosen, as opposed to some other.

So you don't think it has anything do with the fact that Russia and Alaska are neighbors?

[ben from below]

Looks like she already has a website: www.vpilf.com

[Vegetable Lamb]

I didn't know all those Mexican immigrants had flooded into the Great White North.

Because of course all whites are blond haired and blue-eyed. ;) Guess that's why I keep getting asked if I'm partly Chinese by random Asians.

[wonderbucks]

Looks like she already has a website: www.vpilf.com

She sure is purty.

I wonder how many fourteen years olds will wank off to her pictures.

[Shades of Gray]

She sure is purty.

I wonder how many fourteen years will wank off to her pictures.

That's one way to get the younger generation interested in politics.

[Rajah]

She sure is purty.

I wonder how many fourteen years will wank off to her pictures.Ugh.

[Anonymous]

You have to admit, "*fap fap fap* 2008" would make a catchy slogan.

[Jennywocky]

She sure is purty.
I wonder how many fourteen years will wank off to her pictures.

I have to say that she will probably go places Geraldine Ferraro never went.

[Rajah]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

[Anonymous]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

My own comment was meant to mock the sexualization, not support it, but I realize that it probably came across wrong, so sorry about that.

[wonderbucks]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

I like to make perverted jokes like that. I know. I'm very immature.

But I actually that I do that to both genders. Like how Obama is kind of sexy, John Edwards is modelboy handsome, and Hilary Clinton was a cutie when she was younger, and McCain wasn't badlooking when he was young (shudders). I didn't make that comment because I didn't like her. I made that comment because I'm perv.


I did not intended to disrespect women in general or Sarah Polin in a sexual manner. I was just being a perv.

It has became socially acceptable her to be objectify because that is what men do. Men objectify. Hetereosexual men objectify women, and Homosexual men objectify men.

[Shades of Gray]

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

It wouldn't bother me if the ladies decided to talk about what a stud Obama is.

For me, I like that she's good looking, but in the end, it's how well she does her job that matters.

I'm not sure how much help this will be for McCain in the end. My step-father, one of those rural conservatives that are so staunchly republican, told me once that he'd rather vote for Obama than Clinton, because he just doesn't think a woman would put forth the proper image in the world. I haven't talked to him yet, but I suspect he's going to be a bit put out that there is a woman on the republican ticket now.

[Rajah]

My own comment was meant to mock the sexualization, not support it, but I realize that it probably came across wrong, so sorry about that.:P I know that.

[zero]

Looks like she already has a website: www.vpilf.com

ok./...really?!?!?! the fuck!?!??!?

[zero]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

just wait...i know someone is going to say something along the lines of having her as VP may cause McCain to have a Clinton-esque slip up. Nah, nevermind....no one can be that stupid...

[V Profane]

Are Clintonistas really going to vote McCain just because he'd have an anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-ID, woman as VP?

She isn't that fit, anyway. She was only runner up Miss Alaska.

[nittanylion302]

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

They're ok when aimed at anyone :p

Niffer talks about how hot Obama is all the time.

[attila_the_hunny]

This is seriously going to confuse stupid Democratic women who think a vote against a woman is a vote against their gender.

[Zephyrus055]

I'm still going to write-in Hillary Clinton, because she is the only calculating political realist.

And whoever wins the presidency, I hope there is a balance of power in the congress and senate.

[oxyjen]

Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.



While I never started a thread on it, once Biden was chosen I declared that the Biden/Obama duo will Bring the Sexy Back to Washington.

But...I am ridiculous.

[g_vartan]

I think McCain made a mistake with picking Palin. Many believe that he made this choice in order to attract some of the Hillary voters. But Palin is no Hilary - Palin is green on the national scene, is anti-abortion, no foreign policy experience, and is conservative. PLUS McCain will have a hard time attacking Obama now on his inexperience for he picked an inexperienced, first-term governor as his VP.

And let's admit it. McCain is OLD :wahmbulance: - he's 72 yo, had bouts of melanoma, has chronic issues related to injuries sustained while held captive as a prisoner of war, and if selected, will be holding one of the most stressful leadership positions in the world. The chances of him passing away while in position is too great to have a very inexperienced VP. Her experience in Alaska does not translate well into the national scene - its population is almost the same as the size of Austin, TX. How will she approach issues in urban cities / inner-cities? What was McCain smoking?

This is indeed a game changer - one that might hurt McCain's chances. I wonder how the Republican party will spin this and defend this choice.....

[zserf]

As an Alaskan I have to say "What was Mccain thinking?" Let's look at what Palin's done...

She:

Was mayor of Wasilla (population 9,000)
Took down Randy Ruedrich (Alaska's former republican party head)
Became Governor because of said take down and ethics
Ignored state biologists on global warming and polar bears
Cut a lot of stuff from the budget
Managed to keep her pregnancy well under wraps for seven months.
Had a baby with down's syndrome.
Gave every Alaskan $1200 because of high gas prices.
Pressured a department head to fire her former brother-in-law and fired the department head when he didn't.
And got work started on a natural gas pipeline.

That's it. That is literally everything of note that she's done since she came on the state scene. Everything.
I don't get it.

She's generally well liked in Alaska and seen as a reformer, but there's more to being in line for president then that.

[Anonymous]

You'll all be happy to know that my conservative Christian mother is even insulted by his choice, and saw that he was picking her just because she's a woman. And she's having second thoughts about voting for him now, too.

[stopharian]

They're ok when aimed at anyone :p

Niffer talks about how hot Obama is all the time.

So does Madrigal and shes a fuckin commie.....see the multiple other threads on this forum alone where obama's sex appeal is mentioned

[stopharian]

As an Alaskan I have to say "What was Mccain thinking?" Let's look at what Palin's done...

She:

Was mayor of Wasilla (population 9,000)
Took down Randy Ruedrich (Alaska's former republican party head)
Became Governor because of said take down and ethics
Ignored state biologists on global warming and polar bears
Cut a lot of stuff from the budget
Managed to keep her pregnancy well under wraps for seven months.
Had a baby with down's syndrome.
Gave every Alaskan $1200 because of high gas prices.
Pressured a department head to fire her former brother-in-law and fired the department head when he didn't.
And got work started on a natural gas pipeline.

That's it. That is literally everything of note that she's done since she came on the state scene. Everything.
I don't get it.

She's generally well liked in Alaska and seen as a reformer, but there's more to being in line for president then that.

She has been mentioned as a possible on the VP short list by the media for months now...this pick wasn't exactly out of left field.

[garak]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

Because this is what men always do. Men and women are different.

[Limey]

I bet Condie Rice was a first choice - Hillary and Obama wrapped into one - Ka-pow!
I hope she told that old Cracka to step the fuck off.

[Meliora]

She has been mentioned as a possible on the VP short list by the media for months now...this pick wasn't exactly out of left field.

Hmm, I'd never heard her name at all before this, and I listen to a lot of conservative radio and such. At any rate, Romney/Lieberman,Patwalnyhoweveryouspewllthatguysname were the main contenders most of the time it seems, so she must've had slim chances in most people's mind.

[stopharian]

Hmm, I'd never heard her name at all before this, and I listen to a lot of conservative radio and such. At any rate, Romney/Lieberman,Patwalnyhoweveryouspewllthatguysname were the main contenders most of the time it seems, so she must've had slim chances in most people's mind.


Google McCain short list...shes been mentioned in every article on the subject for the last 4 months

[Nunki]

I like how Dobson has forgotten his refusal to support McCain, now that McCain has paired up with a social conservative. I wonder which prominent conservative is next. Which is to say that McCain appears to have made a wise choice.

[oxyjen]

Palin's kids: Piper, Willow, Bristol, Trig, and Track. Supposedly Track is named after the place he was conceived.

Without knowing anything else, you can already tell her judgment sucks.

[Ferrus]

Trig? Maybe she's a secret Only Fools and Horses fan.

[outmywindow]

She's a bad choice for VP candidate, but it irks me that it's socially okay to objectify her. Imagine me creating an "OMG Biden is a hottie i wanna do him" thread. That would be ridiculous.

(To the jackass who hit "reply" and is ready to respond that the idea would be ridiculous because Biden isn't actually attractive but Palin is, allow me to spare you the effort now.)

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?Don't you remember ObamaGirl? If the Dems benefit from the objectification of candidates, you're damn right the Reps'll try and do the same. ;)

[mgb]

and Track. Supposedly Track is named after the place he was conceived.



That's awesome. I wonder if he is faster because of that name?

[Ferrus]

I wonder if he is faster because of that name?
Given what I have heard, I rather doubt it.

[Eli]

Given what I have heard, I rather doubt it.

You heard he enlisted in the Army? On Sept. 11, 2007 :sick:

[floid]

The precedent set by George Bush's presidency pretty much opens up the field of candidates for any political office to any primate with a pulse.

And it shows.

[walfin]

So why are these casual sexualized comments okay just because they're aimed at Palin?

There haven't been any aimed at Obama? Oh dear.

I don't think Palin should be summarily discounted. She's brilliant, really, to seize the opportunity; there's more to her than meets the eye. Obscure people are often the smart ones.

Time to start collecting bets on her MBTI type!

[Rajah]

There haven't been any aimed at Obama? Oh dear.Way to miss the point. I'm unsurprised.

[walfin]

As an Alaskan I have to say "What was Mccain thinking?" Let's look at what Palin's done...

She:

Was mayor of Wasilla (population 9,000)
Took down Randy Ruedrich (Alaska's former republican party head)
Became Governor because of said take down and ethics
Ignored state biologists on global warming and polar bears
Cut a lot of stuff from the budget
Managed to keep her pregnancy well under wraps for seven months.
Had a baby with down's syndrome.
Gave every Alaskan $1200 because of high gas prices.
Pressured a department head to fire her former brother-in-law and fired the department head when he didn't.
And got work started on a natural gas pipeline.

That's it. That is literally everything of note that she's done since she came on the state scene. Everything.
I don't get it.

She's generally well liked in Alaska and seen as a reformer, but there's more to being in line for president then that.


Way to miss the point. I'm unsurprised.

Apologies to Rajah, I didn't realise that your point had been addressed by several other posts already.

Let's look at the stuff in zserf's list:
Mayor of Wasilla - Small. So? That's where she grew up.
Takedown - Is this supposed to suggest an ethics problem? Because Ruedrich did screw something up.
Ignored state biologists - OK, well. Bush-ish I guess.
Cut a lot of stuff from the budget - from what I understand this was mainly anchorage expansions. I don't know how many people wanted them but it seems she could have had good reason to believe they weren't necessary, or at least not yet.
Kept her pregnancy under wraps for seven months, baby with down's - this is relevant...how?
gave Alaskans $1200 each - from the budget cut I guess. reasonable populist action, though I suppose it could push inflation up. still it was probably done out of an intention to benefit Alaskans.
firing of dept head - not so good, but then again, it's not particularly uncommon either.
natural gas pipeline - don't understand what's wrong.

What I want to say is that though it's very easy to discount her for being picked for being a woman, we don't know too much about her yet (save for the Alaskans perhaps; but then, she's popular) and you people shouldn't judge her until she makes her views known on the national stage. She could turn out to be a master strategist.

What more is there to being in line for president? Have people merely gone from discriminating based on gender and race and stuff like that to discriminating against lesser known people who supposedly "don't have enough experience"? C'mon, give her a chance, even if you think she was a token addition. She hasn't even gotten started.

[V Profane]

Palin's kids: Piper, Willow, Bristol, Trig, and Track. Supposedly Track is named after the place he was conceived.

Without knowing anything else, you can already tell her judgment sucks.

I heard they're named after TV witches. Which I'm sure the fundies will just love when they find out. BURN HER!

[omnirook]

Who didn't see it coming? I won a quick 600 w/the bookie.

[weebolj]

Who didn't see it coming? I won a quick 600 w/the bookie.
Betting it'd be a woman or her?

[omnirook]

Betting it'd be a woman or her?

Her. Hers was the name proposed.

[g_vartan]

awkward.... :no:


Palin booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton
CNN - 08/30/08

WASHINGTON, Pennsylvania (CNN) “ This might not be the best way to reach out to those disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters.

In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton's trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.

As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate. The reference was met with polite applause.

But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted the comment at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing determination and grace in her presidential campaign, the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the "Road to the Convention Rally" was held.

Palin quickly recovered, promising the audience that female candidates weren't yet finished, and that she and McCain were on their way to victory in November.

[zero]

I saw that...i was thinking she was speaking at the wrong convention at first.

I'm under the impression that they saw right through this and when she mentioned Mrs. Clinton something clicked.

[zserf]

Walfin, I was just pointing out that she's done very little of anything, I was not implying that everything on that list is negative. I searched ADN (Anchorage Daily News) to see if I missed anything that made headlines, and I'm pretty sure I didn't.

I do criticize her for ignoring scientists because of her ideology. Also, she was criticized at times about her inexperience when she was running for Governor. If McCain is elected and then dies, then Palin would have gone from being the mayor of a minor town to President of the U.S. in about three years. V.P. is the back up president, and I don't think Palin would be a good president.

[C.J.Woolf]

awkward.... :no:
They shoulda seen that coming. The Republican base hates Hillary with the white-hot passion of ten thousand suns. I wonder if there are any Hillary supporters who are so ignorant they don't know this. Which is to say, who's gonna fall for this?

[Delilah]

Pray Away the Gay (http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hSv5aEmbCOycM4PPt_jj1qpgojOA)

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," said an insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed since she was a child.






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