Instinctual Variants

[misutii]

surprisingly didn't find a poll for this, help me procrastinate, my essay is already 5 days late and i don't have a thesis

anyways i'm hypothesizing that socs will be the minority

[Mariel]

Not voting on the poll since i'm not an INTP, but I always test with a soc variant, followed closely by sx.

[Vagabond]

Sp, followed closely by sx, soc being left far behind.

[Star]

Why is it that I never get a wing when I take these tests?

Shouldn't I be 5w4, since 4 is my next highest score?

I don't get it. :dont:

[Boneca]

I've gotten both sx and sp, depending on my mood, the day of the week, and possibly the weather.

[Geoff]

I've gotten both sx and sp, depending on my mood, the day of the week, and possibly the weather.

Yeah me too, precisely the same and in that order.

Hmm, I see you have corrected the spelling error in your signature. Yay! I had refrained from mentioning it as it is bad netiquette to criticise those who are not using their first language.

-Geoff

[Boneca]

Hmm, I see you have corrected the spelling error in your signature. Yay! I had refrained from mentioning it as it is bad netiquette to criticise those who are not using their first language.It was easy enough to change the signature. Now how do I change your memory? :blush:
But at least I've learned to never write a signature without spell-checking it. Could count towards life experience.

[melancholeric]

Now I'm confused about this. I found this article (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/articles/NArtInstVar.asp).


Self-Preservation types are concerned with money, food, housing, health, physical safety and comfort. Being safe and physically comfortable are priorities. These people are quick to notice any problems in a room such as poor lighting or uncomfortable chairs, or to be dissatisfied with the room temperature.


they are the most practical in the sense of taking care of basic life necessities-paying bills, maintaining the home and workplace, acquiring useful skills, and so forth.
Right. That's me. :rofl:
On the other hand, sx or soc didn't fit either.

Another article (http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/variants.php) about the variants, that didn't seem to fit either. Apparently I'm not sp afterall.



Why is it that I never get a wing when I take these tests?

Shouldn't I be 5w4, since 4 is my next highest score?

I don't get it. :dont:
Similarminds.com tests don't give a wing anymore. If 4 is your second highest score, you're 5w4.

[CosmicDust]

Haven't been here in a while, but decided to drop in and lo and behold, this poll was here.

I'm wicked soc/sp.

[Serotonin]

I am sp to the core. What to eat, how comfortable my surroundings are preoccupy my thoughts quite a lot. I am very sensitive to changes in air temperature in a room.

Sx is an afterthought. It's only there because soc is a foreign concept to me.

[coffeezombie]

I am definitely sp/sx. The people who actually even care about the social undercurrent of this board are not social last.

[Vagabond]

The sp variant is misunderstood. It is about comfort, and comfort might mean different things to different people. Being healthy? Yeah right. If it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable, I am not visiting doctors or eating healthy or anything. Paying bills and maintaining a house - that's crap. It is just about personal comfort and independance, whatever that means to one.

Sp is about feeling self-contained and comfortable with yourself; individualistic as it goes. Sx is about one-on-one connections and merging energy with one other individual at a time (fighting and heated arguing included); soc is about fitting in a group and sharing energy with it. Or sort of. Next time I read sp firsters are about hoarding money and rearranging furniture, I am going to kill someone. :rant:

[CosmicDust]

soc is about fitting in a group and sharing energy with it. Or sort of.
Ah, good. You saved yourself on that one. "Fitting in and sharing energy" fits me pretty well, but some other soc-firsters seem to be more preoccupied with critiquing the group than fitting into it. Either way, there's a strong preoccupation with the social environment, whether you're a cog in the machine, raging against the machine, or trying to figure out how the machine works.

[Serotonin]

Sp is about feeling self-contained and comfortable with yourself; individualistic as it goes.

Amen.

[Vagabond]

some other soc-firsters seem to be more preoccupied with critiquing the group than fitting into it. Either way, there's a strong preoccupation with the social environment, whether you're a cog in the machine, raging against the machine, or trying to figure out how the machine works. Oh true... right cosmic... I forgot about the flipped social thing... I am soc last by far :blush:

[coffeezombie]

Sp is about feeling self-contained and comfortable with yourself; individualistic as it goes. Sx is about one-on-one connections and merging energy with one other individual at a time (fighting and heated arguing included); soc is about fitting in a group and sharing energy with it. Or sort of. Next time I read sp firsters are about hoarding money and rearranging furniture, I am going to kill someone. :rant:

But I hoard money... and would rearrange furniture if I had any. :P

[Vagabond]

But I hoard money... and would rearrange furniture if I had any. :P To feel comfortable and independant or to please your desire for redecoration and wealth? :P

[coffeezombie]

Only one social first on this board compared to 15 self-preservation firsts? rotfl

[CosmicDust]

There are at least two other social variants around - Flan (confessed to soc/sp on the brain maturity thread) and Div (I'd guess soc/sx 'cause he struck me as having the wackiness I associate with sp-lasters).

As for the rest...well, if they learn and think about the stackings more, they might figure it out eventually like I did. Or not...some soc/sp's never realize they're not sp's, and lots of people mistype as sx-first (at least on enneagram boards).

[Mariel]

"there's a strong preoccupation with the social environment, whether you're a cog in the machine, raging against the machine, or trying to figure out how the machine works.great description.

[C.J.Woolf]

The sp variant is misunderstood. It is about comfort, and comfort might mean different things to different people. Being healthy? Yeah right. If it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable, I am not visiting doctors or eating healthy or anything. Paying bills and maintaining a house - that's crap. It is just about personal comfort and independance, whatever that means to one.

Sp is about feeling self-contained and comfortable with yourself; individualistic as it goes. Sx is about one-on-one connections and merging energy with one other individual at a time (fighting and heated arguing included); soc is about fitting in a group and sharing energy with it. Or sort of. Next time I read sp firsters are about hoarding money and rearranging furniture, I am going to kill someone. :rant:
Thank you, Vagabond! I had wondered for a long time whether I was sp/sx or sx/sp. Your phrasing clarified the matter; now I know I'm sp/sx.

There is one aspect of sx I really identify with. I crave intense one-on-one experiences, preferably romantic. But I don't need them all the time; I can enjoy the memory of one for a long time. My primary focus is on comfort.

soc is waaaaaaaay last.

[misutii]

i think many of you might find these interesting, if not accurate, stolen from http://www.enneagram.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4

quote:The two self pres stackings:


sp/soc: This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals. When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty. This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness. May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds. They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life. May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to. They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs.

Motivation: to attain a position of material and societal security.

Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society.

Examples: Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, Harrison Ford


sp/sx: These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are quietly intense, but to others may seem oblivious to the greater social world around them, instead favoring personal interests. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the other's condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariant's surface formality. Somewhat hesitant to enter new relationships, they instead preserve the select few enduring bonds they carefully form along the way. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.

Familiar Roles: the mate, the mystic, the quiet supporter.

Examples: George Harrison, Jackie Onassis, Eric Clapton, Emily Dickinson




The two sexual stackings:


sx/sp: This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self medicating.

Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.

Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer

Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame"


sx/soc: This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying its purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing others' buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.

Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.

Familiar Roles: provocateur, activist, exhibitionist

Examples of sx/soc: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc



The two social stackings:

soc/sp - This type is often the most comfortable in group settings, but tends to be a bit formal and awkward in one to one relations. This is the natural political type, affiliating themselves with groups or theories which best defend their social and material interests. They may lack warmth and individual identity and this could lead to problems in forming meaningful relationships outside of a shared social interest.

The motivation for this type is to attain status within their chosen sphere - the "social climber."

Examples of soc/sp: Hillary Clinton, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ted Nugent


soc/sx - This type has very strong one to one social skills, but is usually uncomfortable in group settings. They enjoy cultivating multiple relationships, and can be intensely involved when in the presence of someone they are interested in, but have difficulty sustaining these bonds when apart. This may give the impression of being flighty and rootless, willing to adapt and mirror others in order to connect, but lacking a defined approach that would give their relationships a more solid standing. They may have political interests, but are generally more pragmatic and less partisan than the other social variant. They are often attuned to pop culture and the latest trends.

This type's motivation is to create lasting connections with those they are interested in - the "best friend."

Examples of soc/sx: Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Howard Stern, Margaret Cho, Jack McFarland from "Will & Grace"

[Cbug]

I'm bumping this for new votes.

[Jennywocky]

god, where do you dig this stuff up? This thread is 5.5 years old. That's long enough for the baby to head off to kindergarten.

[Cbug]

Persistence or obsessiveness. One of them.

[bluebell]

You coulda started a new thread? I'm soc/sx as far as I can tell. edgewalker gave me this link ages ago: 5 stacks (http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=86:80)

The 5 so/sx description is pretty much spot on, especially the weaknesses. I assume the other descriptions are equally apt.

[lbloom]

It's interesting to find a poll with waxwing, Geoff and Hypnos on it.

[Hermione]

Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame"

Well, I just don't know about all this enneagram stuff. Not looked into it much. First it says 5 with a 6 wing, then 5 with a 4, then I am some bolloxed up type of eccentric instinctual... oh. Right. lol Very funnee.

[thexjib]

Well, I just don't know about all this enneagram stuff. Not looked into it much. First it says 5 with a 6 wing, then 5 with a 4, then I am some bolloxed up type of eccentric instinctual... oh. Right. lol Very funnee.

I think the tests are of little value. The enneagram requires a bit of study to understand it IMO... I think it is very much worth the effort to look into it if you find personality theory/ typing at all interesting.


I think I am sp/sx but I am not certain.

Edit... 6w5 sx/sp 4 show

[Cbug]

Instinctual Variant Test (http://similarminds.com/variant.html)

[kali]

Instinctual Variant Test (http://similarminds.com/variant.html)

Sexual ||||||||||||||| 46%
Social ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Self Preservation ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%


sp/so

[teleforce]

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Sexual ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%
Social ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Self Preservation |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%

sp/sx

[1104]

i voted backward.

[Cbug]

These descriptions of relationship preferences seem to parallel with the sx and so ones to some extent.


Partner-Based Intimacy
In this model, a person fulfills their emotional needs from one relationship with a partner. To build up this type of relationship, people try to become very close to someone and to fill an important role in their lives. A lot of time and energy is spent on this relationship, as the people involved begin to structure their lives around each other.

People who engage in partner-based intimacy usually do have more than one relationship - for example, someone using this model might have several good friends, some family members, and many casual acquaintances as well as a romantic partner - but, out of these, they choose one relationship to which they give some element of exclusivity.

Community-Based Intimacy
The practice of ascribing the needs, wants and desires traditionally directed at one's partner to one's community. Individuals engaging in community-based intimacy see a constantly changing network of relationships as their primary means of finding emotional fulfillment, achieving financial stability building an environment to raise children.

Community structure among those using this model can vary greatly. Some build traditional partnerships as the "core" of their communities. Others will maintain one or more stable relationships at the core of their community but will resist "partner/nonpartner" distinctions, while others focus on the breadth and diversity of their communities rather than on structured relationships at their core.

http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Relationships

btw


A squish is an aromantic crush, a desire for a platonic relationship with someone.

lol