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Ellipsis
3 Nov 2008, 05:08 AM
Why Bush is not to blame for all our problems.



In a republic the purpose of the president is to make unpopular decisions. For example vetoing certain bills for a period since they may be made irrationally based on public outrage. The president also maintains the right to call for quick military action in the case of foreign attack. Although both these powers are limited they are positive in that they allow a republic in theory to remain stable and be ready for military action. They are furthermore well defined in their limitations. A parliamentary system might for example be forced to pass a bill very quickly with little oversight or no bill at all when engaging a hostile force.

These presidential powers also allow a president to be the target of criticism because the president blocked something that was viewed as essential in that time frame. Likewise the president might too quickly make the judgment for military action. Yet, the legislative branch of government holds both these at bay to a certain extent. It is the legislative branch's decision for example to continue to fund a war. Today, Bush is being blamed for the continuing war in Iraq but the fault rests with the legislative which is letting Bush be blamed while not risking a pull out for fear of the possible short term consequences and their jobs. This is the disadvantage with a republic that views the president as absolute leader: certain democratic responsibilities disappear from the legislative branch. You can see this in comparing the voter turn out in legislative branches and voter turn out for the presidential election.

This results in a funny republic in which the president is blamed for many of the unpopular actions taken by the legislative branch vs. solely on his own actions. The end result is a legislature that is ineffective in it's governing. The president is unpopular but since the legislative branch knows with certainty what the president will or will not vote for it has the ability to push through bills that are compromises. They do not represent the people's own views or those of the times but rather represent an ideology. More dangerously, the president may agree to something ideologically and the congress may do it because the people want it.

The president thus must be able to go beyond his or her own political leanings and slow down at times of crisis and extreme emotion. But the president must also be quick to act if the nation's security is in trouble. It then falls on the legislative branch and the constitution to restrain the president. If this check is not met and one has a very partisan group of voters and media that a) scapegoat the executive branch b) ignore the legislative branch. The implications with this are for example that as a president gets more and more unpopular as a republican or democrat the legislative votes start to slowly reflect that. More and more democrats or republicans are elected based sometimes on only their party ties. Eventually, a new president must be chosen. The president is thus from the legislative branch's party, ideologically opposed to the current guy. It is also very easy to vote for this guy because his positions seem great. But, if the legislature is ineffective it all the problems may not be due to the current guy. Now one might expect a similar cycle to be repeated, as both the legislature and president are able to work in tandem to push for policies. But the president will once again be seen as a scapegoat and slowly the cycle will repeat if the system is not influenced in some other way. In the end the legislature gets little blame while more and more the president is viewed as a tyrant thus creating a “unelected legislature. For large periods of time this group is able to do as it pleases with little oversight by the electorate.

Please consider the fact that you might be voting for no change at all, either way, when you enter the voting booth.

eyebyte_atWork
3 Nov 2008, 05:22 AM
OH Snap!!! - we have a republican in out midst!!!

foodeater
3 Nov 2008, 05:25 AM
I never understood why everyone blamed Bush so much, for those reasons. He's caused plenty of problems, but there are many other things going on here that are hurting the country more in the long run that the legislative branch is doing nothing to stop.

airjaw
3 Nov 2008, 05:39 AM
I think most INTP's would recognize the error in blaming the President for all our troubles.

2ds
3 Nov 2008, 06:53 AM
Who else would you blame for polarizing the world with false a dichotomy like "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror"?

At best he was a willing figurehead for a crimes against Billions of people (including his own countrymen).

I think taking on the role of figurehead you're going to open your self up to blame.....

Zephyrus055
3 Nov 2008, 07:55 AM
Members of both parties are dependent on special interest groups, and they will push for legislation and make decisions in their favor at the detriment of the country at large. However, Bush is one of the most blameworthy for our problems. Forget the idea of crimes, because the only judicial power that exceeds the nation state, the UN, is only able to exercise such power when convenient for its most powerful members states. Thus in practice there is law only within states, and for the most part relations between states are anarchistic except when there is a consensus.

The worst thing Bush has done is disrupt the global balance of power at our expense, and for that he is the supreme dumbass. He has done this by creating tensions with the other global powers through a military presence in the black gold mine of the middle east, and doing the same through a military presence in Russia's peripheral zone in Eastern Europe and the Caucuses. Now Russia and China are retaliating by increasing their presence and influence in our peripheral zone in South America, and there's nothing we can do about it because our forces are entangled in two countries.

Congratulations Bush. You have created tensions with the world powers, opened new and expensive proxy wars, and ultimately ruined the balance of power. Way to go, you are almost comparable to Wilhelm II!

dubbeltop
3 Nov 2008, 08:29 AM
Congratulations Bush. You have created tensions with the world powers, opened new and expensive proxy wars, and ultimately ruined the balance of power. Way to go, you are almost comparable to Wilhelm II!

Was he responsible for World War I...old Wilhelm...?

(funny now that I think of it was he really responsible for World War I..? Questioning my own question)

Zephyrus055
3 Nov 2008, 08:37 AM
Was he responsible for World War I...old Wilhelm...?

(funny now that I think of it was he really responsible for World War I..? Questioning my own question)

Wilhelm II was partly responsible for WW1, but there were other people and heads of state who were major actors in the outbreak and continuation of the war as well. Nicholas II was also largely responsible.

The biggest problem with Wilhelm II was he was really good with alienating other powers and bullying around Continental Europe. One of the worst decisions he made was building a navy, which threatened British naval supremacy and started an arms race (which entailed alienating diplomatic repercussions). The British response was something like "this guy doesn't have a big colonial empire, so what's he doing building a navy that could rival ours?"

lowtech redneck
3 Nov 2008, 09:19 AM
At best he was a willing figurehead for a crimes against Billions of people (including his own countrymen).


What the fuck are you talking about?

walfin
3 Nov 2008, 11:36 AM
The fact remains that your cabinet members are picked by the president and don't have to be members of congress. Plus he gets to create supreme court judges.

That gives him immense power, since he can choose just about anyone he wants for the cabinet.

lowtech redneck
3 Nov 2008, 12:08 PM
The fact remains that your cabinet members are picked by the president and don't have to be members of congress. Plus he gets to create supreme court judges.

That gives him immense power, since he can choose just about anyone he wants for the cabinet.

His appointments also have to be approved by the Senate, only one-third of which were elected during the same election cycle as he was, and it only takes 41 Senators to filibuster an appointment with majority support. That said, approved Supreme Court justices have created a great deal of power for themselves (through blatantly invalid and irresponsible interpretations of the Constitution, in my opinion, but I digress), so I always end up voting with the Supreme Court in mind during elections for Presidents and Senators. Thank goodness for primaries...

2ds
3 Nov 2008, 12:23 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?

Where do you want me to start? How about how he has presided over bankrupting his own country? If you think what has been happening in the USA recently is anything but a government endorsed scam for already rich people to acquire other peoples wealth by subterfuge you need to sit down and take a long hard look at where all the money went.

Ferrus
3 Nov 2008, 12:24 PM
Was he responsible for World War I...old Wilhelm...?
No, but his actions were unhelpful.

CEOofRawness
4 Nov 2008, 05:57 PM
Why Bush is not to blame for all our problems.

True, but Bush did nothing to help the situation. When you see the president on CNN saying that there is "progress" in the Iraq War, then see the news ticker in the bottom say something like "1,000 dead after suicide bombing in Baghdad," you cannot tell me that he isn't a big contributor to the problem.

Does Bush carry 100% of the blame for everything? No. But he is a major contributor and has done very little to curtail these problems.

9/11 - Not Bush's fault. But what did he do? Decide to attack a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 terrorist attack. Legislation continues to fund the war. Why? Because pulling out right away would be a bigger mistake. If Bush didn't have us go into war in the first place, legislation wouldn't have to deal with this issue to begin with.

Economy - Bush didn't cause the economy to collapse, but his policies didn't help either. Sure, let's give tax breaks to the rich and let the wealth "trickle down" to everyone else. Get the fuck outta here.

Thevenin
4 Nov 2008, 06:07 PM
"The buck stops here." Bush takes the buck and passes it along to his cronies, that is, as in corporate welfare.

In the last couple of years, in my home, we've consistently referred to Bush as the "Moron," as in, for example, "Guess what the Moron said today."