Can't believe what I saw today in Circuit City...

[augi55]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/blackcollegefootballexperience/index.html

...a game featuring all african-american players, . Now believe me, I'm not racist at all, but I couldn't believe this. I saw it today while at a Circuit City that was going out of busy and was pretty much appalled at what I saw. What could developers possibly be thinking when they make something like this? I'm not saying this is a BAD game, I'm just saying I don't approve of stuff like this. I probably have to say the cliche "If there was an all-white football game it would be considered racist and not published" - but I just did. I thought racism was supposed to be abolished a few decades ago? But with things like affirmative action, "Black College Football Experience", and BET still around, racism is still alive and kicking.

Just wanted to get some other peoples opinions on this.

[Ferrus]

Are you saying the olympic 10K run is racist?!

[augi55]

Nope. Not white guys faults we can't run that far.

*notices the mcdonalds, wendy's, burger king's, etc"

Oh wait....

[V Profane]

LOL Wut? Is there an actual 'black college league' with exclusively 'black' players?

[MacGuffin]

LOL Wut? Is there an actual 'black college league' with exclusively 'black' players?

Kinda.

It's a holdover from when blacks couldn't get into many colleges/universities, esp. in the South (where most black colleges are located). White people can actually get minority scholarships to attend them now...

[V Profane]

Kinda.

It's a holdover from when blacks couldn't get into many colleges/universities, esp. in the South (where most black colleges are located). White people can actually get minority scholarships to attend them now...

Oh right, I'm aware of the 'historically black colleges', but if a (sportingly) talented white kid happened to attend one of them, he could play in this league, right?

[MacGuffin]

Oh right, I'm aware of the 'historically black colleges', but if a (sportingly) talented white kid happened to attend one of them, he could play in this league, right?

They've already let a non-black college in the league (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/10/14/ciaa-votes-full-time-membership-to-majority-white-school/).

[V Profane]

They've already let a non-black college in the league (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/10/14/ciaa-votes-full-time-membership-to-majority-white-school/).

So is there really a market for this game? Or is it just a hypothetical market?

It seems to me rather like a Blue Square North (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Square_North) game, too limited and specific to be that compelling.

[MCYhon]

There will always be racist.

Anyway, I do not think BET is racist. Black entertainment TV - is about black entertainment...


It seems like it is racist, since black and white speak the same languages, then why shouldn't black people's entertainment merge with whites?

Black people like any other cultures needs a channel to show black stars and upcoming talents - that is the focus.

Im not black, I'm chinese. Just like chinese, asian channels in North America. We speak a different language, so we need a certain channel for that purpose. Just like the black people that need a channel just for their own culture.


oh yea, back to the topic about the game...
Yea, i think it could be racist, since they only FOCUS on AMERICAN black players, and discriminating the other cultures.

[MacGuffin]

Im not black, I'm chinese. Just like chinese, asian channels in North America. We speak a different language, so we need a certain channel for that purpose.

No, you need to speak AMERICAN!

:bigguns:

[V Profane]

But if there were no BET how would I see Kool Keith, Little Brother and Dead Prez? Oh, right...

[C.J.Woolf]

They've already let a non-black college in the league (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/10/14/ciaa-votes-full-time-membership-to-majority-white-school/).

Adding Chowan touched off some grumbling among traditionalists who maintain HBCU leagues should stay black. CIAA Commissioner Leon Kerry, who recruited the Hawks to the fold, maintains its all about competition.
Kinda makes me smile.

[Zero Angel]

There will always be racist.

Anyway, I do not think BET is racist. Black entertainment TV - is about black entertainment...


It seems like it is racist, since black and white speak the same languages, then why shouldn't black people's entertainment merge with whites?

Black people like any other cultures needs a channel to show black stars and upcoming talents - that is the focus.

Im not black, I'm chinese. Just like chinese, asian channels in North America. We speak a different language, so we need a certain channel for that purpose. Just like the black people that need a channel just for their own culture.


oh yea, back to the topic about the game...
Yea, i think it could be racist, since they only FOCUS on AMERICAN black players, and discriminating the other cultures.
They need to make a White Entertainment Channel

[Rhu]

I think there is. They call it HGTV.

[V Profane]

They need to make a White Entertainment Channel

I think they call it 'Fox News'.

ooh, political

[augi55]

They need to make a White Entertainment Channel

I like to think they would call it WET. :happpy:

And it would feature Fresh Prince, Dave Chappelle, and Katt Williams.... oh wait...

[C.J.Woolf]

Country Music Television (http://www.cmt.com/). Or, as I like to call it, Celtic-American ethnic music.

[MCYhon]

if u think that is racist.
then check out this!!

http://www.blackbirdhome.com/

a browser just for black people! :ph34r:



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Download Blackbird

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[augi55]

if u think that is racist.
then check out this!!

http://www.blackbirdhome.com/

a browser just for black people! :ph34r:



Introducing Blackbird -- The first internet application developed for the African American community. Blackbird was developed by a team of Afro-Americans to allow you to connect to what's going on in the African-American community.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/Hallick5/thats_racist_animated.gif
=)) That is so funny! This thread just might turn into "post something that is totally legal, yet totally racist!"

[Neville]

But with things like affirmative action, "Black College Football Experience", and BET still around, racism is still alive and kicking.

As a minority, I have absolutely no problem with affirmative action. Long live racism. :highfive:

[augi55]

As a minority, I have absolutely no problem with affirmative action. Long live racism. :highfive:

Yea I'm sure you have no problem with it. It's practically saying "Oh dang, we're sorry for doing your ancestors such horrible wrongs, to make up for it, we are going to let the minorities be racist against the majorities legally".

[Neville]

Yea I'm sure you have no problem with it. It's practically saying "Oh dang, we're sorry for doing your ancestors such horrible wrongs, to make up for it, we are going to let the minorities be racist against the majorities legally".

Sounds about right, payback is always a bitch.

[doob]

Don't take my word 'cause I didn't check my facts (memory). BET was created largely as a result of MTV* insisting on playing only Rock (i.e. white) musicians (and yes there are/were non-white rock bands). BET was sold a while ago and is no longer black owned.





*at it's inception

[Oso Mocoso]

Country Music Television (http://www.cmt.com/). Or, as I like to call it, Celtic-American ethnic music.

Ni tir gan teanga, tir gan ganam dude. Those people are not Celtic.

This is maybe a little Celtic. CMT is not.

[mgb]

It's funny how ideas like racism, equality, affirmative action and target marketing get lumped in with one another in an effort to nullify everything.

[doob]

It's funny how ideas like racism, equality, affirmative action and target marketing get lumped in with one another in an effort to nullify everything.

you're oh so right!

[Spartan26]

...a game featuring all african-american players

It's funny how ideas like racism, equality, affirmative action and target marketing get lumped in with one another in an effort to nullify everything.
Augi did you get the fact that it's not merely African American players but players from Historically Black Colleges and Universities? I've played various college football games from board to electronic (comp) over the years and yet to see ANY players from a HBCU represented. Not a Walter Payton, Jerry Rice or Doug Williams in the bunch. Not a lot of complaining going on about that. Fair?


Now believe me, I'm not racist at all ... I'm just saying I don't approve of stuff like this. What would be more palatable for you? That players renounce their Blackness and promise to stand quietly in back so no one notices them? It's amazing how any time two or three African Americans are shown in a positive light at one time how many of the "reversed racism" cries go out. It's like when Denzel & Halle won Oscars in the same year that Whoopie hosted the subversives whined of conspiracy and outrage that the awards were not being given out through merit. Yeah about the Oscars they said that, I smirked too.

Now, Augi, if I go over to the college football thread and I don't find any post by you revealing your disgust over there being, what, 119 NCAA subdivision schools (D-I) and only 4 Black head coaches, what do you think I'm gonna think of your outraged thread here? If we're talking about equality, shouldn't real life head coaches or people of influence and policymakers be above some trivial game?


I thought racism was supposed to be abolished a few decades ago?When exactly did this happen?! Did the govt mandate a vaccine be given along with polio? Maybe something's slipped in our water like chlorine? My guess is you prolly don’t have a problem with racial profiling, though despite your belief that racism has gone the way of the dodo, the non-discriminatory act has yet to make its way through Congress to be ratified into law, but a game profiling achievement, weeell, that's not so good, is it?

One reason racism persists is because of a limited scope of thinking. Believing your pov is held universally or is superior to others ensures the problem won't go away.

[Denzien]

Yea I'm sure you have no problem with it. It's practically saying "Oh dang, we're sorry for doing your ancestors such horrible wrongs, to make up for it, we are going to let the minorities be racist against the majorities legally".

Just another swing of the pendulum. It'll come back around..

["?"]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/blackcollegefootballexperience/index.html

...a game featuring all african-american players, . Now believe me, I'm not racist at all, but I couldn't believe this. I saw it today while at a Circuit City that was going out of busy and was pretty much appalled at what I saw. What could developers possibly be thinking when they make something like this? I'm not saying this is a BAD game, I'm just saying I don't approve of stuff like this. I probably have to say the cliche "If there was an all-white football game it would be considered racist and not published" - but I just did. I thought racism was supposed to be abolished a few decades ago? But with things like affirmative action, "Black College Football Experience", and BET still around, racism is still alive and kicking.

Just wanted to get some other peoples opinions on this.Am I missing something here? What is wrong with developing a game that caters to Black gamers? They are consumers you know. If you are offended, what about all of the games that have no people of color in them? Am I missing what you are suppose to be offended by?

["?"]

Kinda.

It's a holdover from when blacks couldn't get into many colleges/universities, esp. in the South (where most black colleges are located). White people can actually get minority scholarships to attend them now...Partially right. The most affluent Blacks would never go to anything but a Black college, due to legacy. The average Black person has a greater chance of getting into a Division I school academically, than a Black school. So to the contrary, some Blacks who attend Black colleges look down at Black's who could not. I think if you ask the average Black person (aside from Ivy League, military schools, MIT, etc.) would have preferred to have attended Morehouse, Spellman, Grambling, Howard, etc.

[MacGuffin]

A Different World

["?"]

I guess I am failing to understand augi55's disgust with the game. There is no blaxploitation that I know of in the game. Maybe that can be explained.

[pan_sonic_000]

*shrug* - I don't have any problem with the game itself. On the broader scope of race relations, however, it does reinforce the same superficial differences that create illogical racist perspectives in the first place.

And with regards to BET, I don't know anyone who watches that nonsense. Even my most outspoken black friends think it's stupid at best and, at worst, are insulted at how blatantly exploitative it is. It's embarrassing to watch the the commercials and see how they try to "relate" to various aspects of the black community and/or culture just to sell a product. I mean, the fact they give Robert Tilton (aka: The Farting Preacher) regular airtime pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their values and level of sincerity.

[DixieDiarrhea]

What is the problem with this? Black colleges, organizations, etc. have been around for years. Obviously, they are selling a product into into the market and hoping to make a profit-- nothing wrong with this... I'd be in full support of KKK: The Game, Nazi Germany: Kill All Jews, Blank Panthers: Uprise, etc. Its obvious that their are many different cultures and *gasp* some are seperated by color.

The only time I can call racism is when their is a black and white candidate with the same skills, looks, experience, etc. and one of the two is picked based on skin color.. But sometimes if you're the owner of "G's Sound Systems and Rims" which appeals to black culture-- the owner has every right to pick a black manm if he fees he would better connect with customers. Or if the owner of "Sportsman's Paradise" needed to hire an employee-- he could hire a white man since a lot of the target audience is white. Not saying that any race is inferior-- I'm just saying that many cultures are seperated by color and that to appeal to these groups, many establishments choose to be "racist." Not saying that black people don't buy or should buy hunting gear and that the white guy can't get some cool rims-- Its ok to appeal to target audiences like this game and in the free market.

[Limey]

I see a great opportunity for profit with this form of acceptable seperationist targeted advertising/catering.
You could probably market any old crap as long as it starts with "black", has a hip hop/rap soundtrack and optionally some sort of black celebrity (even B-level) endorsement. I even think a Bryant Gumble sports video game would still work well.
Maybe not Bryant Gumble Olympic swimming, though.

[DixieDiarrhea]

Exactly!

I don't see many black people at my tee time on the links and I don't see that many white people playing basketball in the gym-- two different markets.

[kendoiwan]

Exactly!

I don't see many black people at my tee time on the links and I don't see that many white people playing basketball in the gym-- two different markets.

CP is the Fawking Unadulterated Truf'! :yes:

http://www.ohellnawlblog.com/ohncomic/strips/ohn_35_fuggbet.jpg

I talk to white people I happen to meet along the way who ask me the "BET is racist, the congressional black caucus, yada and etc." thing. What I do in illustration is pick up the remote and one by one start changing the channel and playing the "Lets find a black face game" and lo and behold we find out the although you don't find a WET channel, most channels are WET by default and don't need to advertise themselves as such.

Personally BET is just some ole boolshyt ass boolshyt. :dont: I never watch under any circumstances I can help. But the idea that its existence constitutes reverse racism smacks of nonsense to me. Lot bigger fish to fry than who's on the boobtube dude. But that's just me.