GO PALISTINIANS

[hoodrich84]

is it me or is the world kinda funny and shit.


Israel and Pakistan started bombing each other after the peace treaty has expired? WTF is an expiration date!? if you really hated each other you shouldn't let a piece of contract hinder you against you and your destiny.

This reminds me of the new years countdown.
HEY LOOK everybody!! its bout to expire! 3-2-1- BOOM!!

WTF!?!?!




So Childish! I'm rooting for Pakistan though.

[augi55]

"Here sign this peace treaty..."
"What?! No!"
"Aw cmon man... it expires at the end of the year! THEN we can fight!"
"...fine..."

[Dark Razor]

I am thinking Israel and Palestine have fundamentally opposed security interests which cannot be satisfied as long as the other side exists as an independent entity. IMO the conflict can only be resolved if one site is anihilated or if one side is permanently subjugated by the other. Maybe we should be giving weapons to both sides and see who comes out on top, oh wait we are already doing that. So sit back, grab the popcorn and enjoy the show. There is nothing anyone can do about it, they will continue to fight until there is a permanent winner.

[Anonymous]

It's disgusting if you ask me. The fucking Hamas is launching their attacks right from the middle of Gaza, involving anyone and everyone who lives there, whether or not they want anything to do with the conflict. People are getting killed because of them who undoubtedly just want to go about their lives. And Israel, of course, is more than willing to accept the Hamas' word that everyone in Gaza is on their side. Yeah, sure, bomb the shit out of the civilians to teach the group of terrorists who don't really give a shit about whether or not those civilians get killed. That'll teach 'em.

[Eli]

is it me or is the world kinda funny and shit.

Israel and Pakistan started bombing each other after the peace treaty has expired?

Yes, that is kinda funny.

[hoodrich84]

I have a very intuitive feeling that this is the beginning of World War Thrizzle

thanks to the fucking economy and our zillion dollar debts, we can no longer Vietnam the situation.

[nonperson]

Why is this here and not in Current Events............?

[hoodrich84]

Why is this here and not in Current Events............?

I just don't know.

[Delilah]

becuz purveyor of truth is an ah0l3!

:dont:

[Oso Mocoso]

Israel and Pakistan started bombing each other after the peace treaty has expired? WTF is an expiration date!? if you really hated each other you shouldn't let a piece of contract hinder you against you and your destiny.


And people always like to talk about how Americans don't care about world politics and geography. Ha. If they ever doubt us again, we can just point to this thread.


It's disgusting if you ask me. The fucking Hamas is launching their attacks right from the middle of Gaza, involving anyone and everyone who lives there, whether or not they want anything to do with the conflict.

This thread is about the war between Israel and Pakistan, dude. Hamas is part of a different war.

[hoodrich84]

And people always like to talk about how Americans don't care about world politics and geography.

They don't like to talk about world politics and geography becuz they don't know jack shits about it!
I would never talk about gay people unless i know about them.

[Anonymous]

This thread is about the war between Israel and Pakistan, dude. Hamas is part of a different war.

Oh, my bad. Pakistan, of course. They're somewhere in Russia, right?

[Eli]

This thread is about the war between Israel and Pakistan, dude. Hamas is part of a different war.

Yeah, Hamas and the Palestinians are amassing troops on the Indian border.

[outmywindow]

Moved from Welcomes.





:dont:

[hoodrich84]

Moved from Welcomes.





:dont:


*sigh***

I thought she was gonna give me a warning or something:banana: :banana:

[MacGuffin]

Time to add "stupidity" to the rules...

[ectrhoi]

i just laugh whenever i hear about suicide bombers and such on TV,
humans can be so crazy.

[sandwich]

i just laugh whenever i hear about suicide bombers and such on TV,
humans can be so crazy.

Yeah, it's pretty funny to see people killing themselves and other people like that. Woo! Incite more generational hatred!

What. The. Fuck.

I hate this. I hate this so, so much. I love the country of Israel and the culture and all that, but this? I know people in Sderot and along the border have been under fire, but this is unjustifiable. And it may throw a wrench into my summer future plans.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it's pretty funny to see people killing themselves and other people like that. Woo! Incite more generational hatred!

What. The. Fuck.

I hate this. I hate this so, so much. I love the country of Israel and the culture and all that, but this? I know people in Sderot and along the border have been under fire, but this is unjustifiable. And it may throw a wrench into my summer future plans.

Agreed on all counts. Except for the plans thing. But yes, Israel is massively overblowing the Hamas attacks. And they bombed the fucking Islamic University for christ's sake. "A time for fighting"? Really? And this is it? 300+ people dead over some terrorists shooting rockets is justified? And no doubt the only reaction from the UN will be a finger shake.

[Helios]

Yeah, Hamas and the Palestinians are amassing troops on the Indian border.

Ha! This thread is so much more fun than I had expected

[OrionzRevenge]

Agreed on all counts. Except for the plans thing. But yes, Israel is massively overblowing the Hamas attacks. And they bombed the fucking Islamic University for christ's sake. "A time for fighting"? Really? And this is it? 300+ people dead over some terrorists shooting rockets is justified? And no doubt the only reaction from the UN will be a finger shake.

HOLY Shi-ite!

Israel and Pakistan are at war???
and the Jews "bombed the fucking Islamic University for christ's sake"???

Where the fuck have I been lately?
:devil:

[Anonymous]

HOLY Shi-ite!

Israel and Pakistan are at war???
and the Jews "bombed the fucking Islamic University for christ's sake"???

Where the fuck have I been lately?
:devil:

What are you talking about? I meant the one in Gaza, if that's what you were referring to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7802515.stm

[OrionzRevenge]

What are you talking about? I meant the one in Gaza, if that's what you were referring to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7802515.stm

lol, you should surly not fret over being an Asper, if you do not see the humor in: Jews "bombed the fucking Islamic University for christ's sake"
:):):)

[Limey]

All this hoo-rah for PALISTINIANS, but no-one cares about the Palestinians.

[Ferrus]

I am thinking Israel and Palestine have fundamentally opposed security interests which cannot be satisfied as long as the other side exists as an independent entity. IMO the conflict can only be resolved if one site is anihilated or if one side is permanently subjugated by the other. Maybe we should be giving weapons to both sides and see who comes out on top, oh wait we are already doing that. So sit back, grab the popcorn and enjoy the show. There is nothing anyone can do about it, they will continue to fight until there is a permanent winner.
Israel is to blame largely for not accepting groundrules or even attempting concillitory action that may have lead to a compromise party among the Palestinians and Arabs in general. Had Israel agreed to the 67 borders without fuss, and given over East Palestine, whilst allowing Palestine to grow and operate as a separate entity, then perhaps they could have worked out a long-term goal. As it is - they are building up more enemies than they can hope to deal with permanently.

[Dark Razor]

Israel is to blame largely for not accepting groundrules or even attempting concillitory action that may have lead to a compromise party among the Palestinians and Arabs in general. Had Israel agreed to the 67 borders without fuss, and given over East Palestine, whilst allowing Palestine to grow and operate as a separate entity, then perhaps they could have worked out a long-term goal. As it is - they are building up more enemies than they can hope to deal with permanently.

Maybe, but Israel cannot really accept the 67 borders because that would leave them extremely vulnerable. They can also not agree on a Palestine entity without knowing how that entity will develop, it may grow into something hostile that Israel can not contain with their means, therefor it is preferable for them to keep the Palestinians weak and divided.

Israel is in a very difficult situation, they are surrounded by enemies who want to destroy them, because they were placed on land that was previously owned by someone else. However they have to deal with what they are dealt, so what can they do? They can either accept to live on a narrow strip of land with the sea to their back, which leaves their territory succeptible to be quickly cut into pieces in the case of invasion. In that case they would have to place their security, their existance as a nation into the hands of the nations surrounding them. Their existance would therefor not be guaranteed by inner strength but by the willingness of their less than trustworthy neighbours to tolerate it. If they opted for that, they would likely be quickly obliterated.

Another option is to establish a security buffer around their core territory and have a military strong enough to decicively defeat all their neighbours at once, which is the option they have choosen to implement. In this case their security is partly based on inner strength, even though Israel is still dependent on military aid from other countries. The fundamental difference is that in the second scenario Israel is being proactive, they act to positively influence their destiny, they shape what happens. In the first scenario they are cowering passively and hope that the other nations around them will guarantee for Israels existance, which they have no reason for doing. If the Arab nations had a weak nation occupying contested territory, the natural impuls for them would be to obliterate that nation and take back the land that was once theirs.

Of course the second scenario is still a bad one, since it requires constant readyness for a major war, but it is certainly better than just sitting there and doing nothing.

A pragmatic solution would be to resettle the Palestinians to the surounding Arab nations, they should have enough empty space there. The problem is that there is all kinds of religious insanity involved in the whole process with Jerusalem being the holy city and all. Because there are a lot of emotions and irrationality involved I don't expect that a rational solution to the problem will be found. Perhaps you could arrange a "solution" where a Palestinian state is established and lots of UN or NATO troops are stationed there to prevent an attack through their territory, but this would be a temporary solution at best, the basic strategic realities remain unchanged and conflict would resurface.

[OwlsCry]

Either war is obsolete or men are.....

[sandwich]

A pragmatic solution would be to resettle the Palestinians to the surounding Arab nations, they should have enough empty space there. The problem is that there is all kinds of religious insanity involved in the whole process with Jerusalem being the holy city and all. Because there are a lot of emotions and irrationality involved I don't expect that a rational solution to the problem will be found. Perhaps you could arrange a "solution" where a Palestinian state is established and lots of UN or NATO troops are stationed there to prevent an attack through their territory, but this would be a temporary solution at best, the basic strategic realities remain unchanged and conflict would resurface.

The surrounding Arab nations have not been very welcoming of the refugees that have resettled. In many cases since '48 (not in the current case, where Israel is wholly responsible), I think that the other Arab nations have done more to injure and exploit the Palestinians than the most commonly recognized perpetrator, Israel. The Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan especially have had many hardships, and most find life better abroad.

But Israel accepting the '67 boundaries is unthinkable. Not only would their occupancy of Jerusalem be compromised, but they now have huge settlements in the West Bank (grrr) and the Golan is an essential strategic asset. Prior to the annexation, Syrian snipers could easily pick off the Galilean farmers from the hills above. Not to mention that any security buffer that they'd have to put around the West Bank would completely cut the nation in half. It's freakishly easy to accidentally drive into the West Bank from one wrong turn between Tel Aviv and the Galilee.