Who has the Force to be 'courageous' enough...

[Tlalocone]

... to be critical of Star Wars ?


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[MacGuffin]

Only wackos, nutjobs, idiots, and scifi hating S's.
Impressive. Most impressive.

[Avengardh]

I think R2D2 should be updated more.

[coffeezombie]

I dislike the new movies. An the ewoks are a bit annoying when I look back on them now, although I thought they were really cool and cute as a kid. Definitely better than Jar Jar, though. I hope ewoks end up ripping his limbs off in the final movie.

[Thermo]

IMHO, Only Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back were good. They decided to cater to much to children starting in Return of the Jedi and culminating in the painful Jar-Jar Binks.

EDIT: Corrected Point of View

[MacGuffin]

I did enjoy the last one a lot. But mostly cause of the geeky stuff Star Wars fans pick up on.

[Claverhouse]

Me, me.

I can't imagine watching that stuff.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[YardGnome]

I attend a graphics conference once a year (SIGGRAPH). Each year they have a notable keynote speaker relavant to the field of computer graphics. At the end of the keynote address you have the option to wait in line to ask a question in a mic. I'm sure he's probably sick of it by now, and has been asked a million times... But this years keynote speaker is George Lucas and I was tryin to muster up the cajones to ask him what he decided to put Jar Jar in the movie or some other trivial question pertaining to his (in what my opinion) ruining the star wars saga for me...

Hell I used to love those movies until the new ones came out :(

[booyalab]

the critics.

[Edmond Zedo]

They're all good, you know. Only the first three will ever be classics. The "new" films have far too many creative fubars, and not enough soul.

[Star]

I have always hated Star Wars--and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.

Those movies are serious dick flicks.

[j4ck]

The new movies really make me want to stick my head in a microwave. I don't know what the hell Lucas has been smoking. I bet the books are better.

As far as Sci-fi on film goes, I think Star Trek TNG takes the cake, although the later Star Trek movies are pretty weak in my opinion.

[Geoff]

I have always hated Star Wars--and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.

Those movies are serious dick flicks.

That sounds more like a porn category than sci-fi.

-Geoff

[Star]

That sounds more like a porn category than sci-fi.

Heh. It's my answer to being accused of liking 'chick flicks'. :D

[Geoff]

Heh. It's my answer to being accused of liking 'chick flicks'. :D

Ah, yep, fair enough. I can see that.

My father in law says "unless someone jumps out of a helicopter, gets shot or has their head cut off it isnt a good film"

-Geoff

[Geoff]

I have always hated Star Wars--and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.

The new Dr Who has been trailing here in the UK (they just showed an extended sequence a minute or so ago on the BBC). It starts tomorrow night.

It looks to be the real deal. Seriously. I will be most disappointed if it isnt as superb as it looks to be.

You'll get it outside the UK in due course *I am sure*. It looks like an expensive production (the effects look good) so they will need to sell it around.

-Geoff

[Hypnos]

I have always hated Star Wars--and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.

Those movies are serious dick flicks.
Agreed. I can enjoy them for what they are, but it's not great art.

Blade Runner, how I love you.

[Edmond Zedo]

Agreed. I can enjoy them for what they are, but it's not great art.

Blade Runner, how I love you.
Ridley scott is a hack bullshit artist. You want art, watch Felini, Leone, or Kubrick.

[J.L. des Alpins]

Episodes 4 and 5 were ground-(or star-)breaking.

StarTrek 2 had some spices.

Terminator 1 and 2 had some new things.

A few other older movies, like Blade Runner, Odyssy 2001, and the Ape Planet, had respectable "science" and "fiction".

Anything else they've been putting out since is just "tech-effects" and "nonsense". That stuff ain't worth much.

J.L.

[Geoff]

Episodes 4 and 5 were ground-(or star-)breaking.

StarTrek 2 had some spices.

Terminator 1 and 2 had some new things.

A few other older movies, like Blade Runner, Odyssy 2001, and the Ape Planet, had respectable "science" and "fiction".

Anything else they've been putting out since is just "tech-effects" and "nonsense". That stuff ain't worth much.

J.L.

See above. New Dr Who. Real stories (like the old one was). Special effects are secondary...

-Geoff

[J.L. des Alpins]

See above. New Dr Who. Real stories (like the old one was). Special effects are secondary...That would be refreshing. I'll give it a try. Thanks...

J.L.

[Hypnos]

Ridley scott is a hack bullshit artist. You want art, watch Felini, Leone, or Kubrick.
Those are great directors (Kubrick is my favorite), but you can't take away Blade Runner and Alien from Ridley Scott -- they're masterpieces.

[Edmond Zedo]

Those are great directors (Kubrick is my favorite), but you can't take away Blade Runner and Alien from Ridley Scott -- they're masterpieces.
I love Alien (But will always prefer Cameron's Aliens). Blade Runner, while a good solid movie, I don't consider exceptional. I think, within the film, more significance is implied than is present.

"It's too bad she won't live. But then again, who does!"

[Hypnos]

I love Alien (But will always prefer Cameron's Aliens). [...]
Eh, Aliens is just an action movie riffing on the same ground covered in Alien. Don't get me wrong -- it's a great action movie -- but that's all that it is.


Blade Runner, while a good solid movie, I don't consider exceptional. I think, within the film, more significance is implied than is present.

"It's too bad she won't live. But then again, who does!"
The two striking things about Blade Runner are that it tackles the very question of life (instinct for survival, the ontology of consciousness and how it depends on memory), and it depicts in the minutest detail a society fighting over this question.

BTW, in case you don't know, the director's cut of Blade Runner is the definitive edition, not the theatrical release. The latter is certainly deserving of your description, "a good solid movie."

[MacGuffin]

Aliens was a different type of movie than Alien. I really like both.

I think Blade Runner is overrated. Not bad, or even average. It just gets too much hype.

[Edmond Zedo]

Eh, Aliens is just an action movie riffing on the same ground covered in Alien. Don't get me wrong -- it's a great action movie -- but that's all that it is.


The two striking things about Blade Runner are that it tackles the very question of life (instinct for survival, the ontology of consciousness and how it depends on memory), and it depicts in the minutest detail a society fighting over this question.

BTW, in case you don't know, the director's cut of Blade Runner is the definitive edition, not the theatrical release. The latter is certainly deserving of your description, "a good solid movie."
Haha, yes I know. I haven't seen the original narrated version in like 15 years, but I remember liking it (maybe more than D.C.): "So then I walked outside, and opened the door of my car. I sat down, and hit the ignition. I started driving away..."

Perhaps I considered the handling of the theme a bit melodramatic. I think that's it.

Re: Aliens...I say (Others have before me) that a truly great movie can be made in any genre, about anything. Aliens and Mad Max are examples of classic action movies focusing on the physical.

[Hypnos]

Re: Aliens...I say (Others have before me) that a truly great movie can be made in any genre, about anything. Aliens and Mad Max are examples of classic action movies focusing on the physical.
The first Mad Max is great -- Mel Gibson's righteous passion without the preaching. I'd liken Mad Max 2 to Aliens: some theme on techno dystopia and keeping outsiders at bay, in the guise of a sweet action movie.

[kuranes]

Ridley scott is a hack bullshit artist. You want art, watch Felini, Leone, or Kubrick.
Don't forget Bunuel. Jodorowsky can be fun too. K

[MasterMerk]

Alien and Aliens are great for different reasons. I still like the over-the-top characters in Aliens better, though.

"Hey maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events but we just got our asses kicked pal!"

Game over man.

[Edmond Zedo]

Alien and Aliens are great for different reasons. I still like the over-the-top characters in Aliens better, though.

"Hey maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events but we just got our asses kicked pal!"

Game over man.
"I'm Hudson. He's Hicks."

"Yeah, well you can count me out!"

[MacGuffin]

"They mostly come out at night. Mostly."

"Stay frosty."

[PsiKik]

First 2 were good. Jedi no so good.
Remember after seeing Pahntom Menace feelling ripped off.

Where the hell did they come up with that ridiculous pseudo-rastafarian
Jar-Jar Binks? Perhaps if he had smoked some kind of alien pot it would have been ok.