Poll: Top suspect

[puzzled-observer]

Vote for your top suspect here. (Not necessarily the person you're going to vote to have lynched).

[Etherealsage]

I'm not going to vote yet because I'm currently really confused, but for now it's Autumn. His martyr-complex confuses me though.

[puzzled-observer]

Ah hah! Nobody ever suspects the narrator!!! Of course!

[LastRailway]

I would have prefered this poll multiple choice.

[puzzled-observer]

I would have prefered this poll multiple choice.
Haha, yea... you're right in hindsight. Maybe we should remake it? Or maybe a mod can change it.

[LastRailway]

Maybe a mod, I don't think you can remake a poll once posted.

Though the true is I don't know who else I'd vote. MoneyJungle has contributed anything, or even voted, up to now?

[puzzled-observer]

Maybe a mod, I don't think you can remake a poll once posted.

Though the true is I don't know who else I'd vote. MoneyJungle has contributed anything, or even voted, up to now?

All i've seen from him is when he voted to have me killed in the rajah v puzzled lynching session (he supposedly wanted to see Eye eat his hat).

[LastRailway]

All i've seen from him is when he voted to have me killed in the rajah v puzzled lynching session (he supposedly wanted to see Eye eat his hat).

Oh, well, we're on the 4th turn and still have many unknown quantities here.

[puzzled-observer]

Oh, well, we're on the 4th turn and still have many unknown quantities here.

Yea... There's a lot of information to sort through, and only a tiny bit of it is useful at all.

If djm DOES turn out to be mafia, that would be very good for us. That'd mean there's only 1 mafia left.
If he's not, I would say my next attack would be on madrigal-- Just because it would give SOME insight into who was on what side. But then again, if I started making wild accusations again... I'd probably end up being lynched for sure.

Ahh well, we'll see.

[LastRailway]

If djm turns to be Mafia, that's full of advantages for us, cause then we'll know there's only one Mafia left and it's neither you nor Autumn (and, if I may add, neither I, since I've already hunted down 2ds and I'm voting now for djm).

The problem would be if he isn't, cause then any of us could be and the number would still be undefined.

[Madrigal]

I'm not going to vote yet because I'm currently really confused, but for now it's Autumn. His martyr-complex confuses me though.

What kind of freaks me out about Autumn is that I imagine him suiciding himself right before the lynch if he racks up several votes. The question is whether we could afford two dead townies tomorrow - even if we lynched a Mafia, and presuming Autumn is innocent, we'd have Autumn dead and the Mafia's next victim. I don't know if that would mean game over. If we can make two more mistakes, then Autumn's suicide would almost kill us but maybe won't be fatal yet. Autumn says he doesn't play for himself but for the team, so he would let us lynch him if he was innocent and not kill himself beforehand. I'm just hoping Autumn listens to this reasoning.

Still I can't bet on him because he plays way too similarly to the last time. That's not a solid clue though, because as you play the game you can change your style as you learn, or not. Just like any other game there is no reason why you'd play it the same way each time. For example, I thought Ape was a lot more cautious in this game than last time and he was a townie on both occasions. LR, you are a lot more cautious too and don't show as much confidence in your guesses. I myself stopped making threads to psychoanalyze people like last time, partly because my thread-making was attracting suspicion, partly because I can't do the same thing twice and expect reliable results, and partly because there is no Underground that makes me feel safe. Even if people suspected me I knew the Underground would concentrate votes on someone else.

LR I have to say your response to my attack on you threw me off a bit. I figured that you would surely launch an attack right back if you were Mafia, I was prepared for that as I think the best defense is a good attack and especially in a situation like this one, when any opportunity is good to raise suspicions on a townie, even if that opportunity is just someone suspecting you. But you didn't, apparently you saw the logic in my theory and the fact that it contained a logic stopped you from attacking me back, or so you say. I really don't know if that's reverse psychology, or you're just not trying to give more space to my ideas by engaging in an argument about yourself.

This is an important theory of mine, I've spent too much time analyzing this and watching the three of you, and I don't change my mind easily once it's made up. On one hand, I think my reasoning was good and there is just a chance you just don't have a reply, so you're playing it safe by not engaging me more. On the other, it was because of the fact my suspicions had logic that you claim to give me some credit, and I think that in both games you have suspected people who displayed what you see as a lack of logic. Autumn is the classic case. You suspect him for his lack of logic. We are not the same, you are probably more hardcore "T" than me - most people on the forum are - and my suspicions are not primarily based on that. I assume some people will be innocent and still be illogical, so I also draw a lot from people's reactions - psychology, feelings like irritability, relaxedness, paranoia, goofiness, etc. That is why Autumn was never a top suspect for me in either game. I cannot understand his logic but his attitude doesn't inspire distrust in me. So we are not using exactly the same barometer. Yet I have no idea how he would act if he was Mafia. I don't think he would be a lot more logical if he was deploying his own personal tactic. But I might assume he would be more quiet since he knows he attracts suspicion when he's loud. I am not making a defense of Autumn I'm just breaking this down as much as possible.

In any case this element of consistency in your style, your reliance on logic, is the only thing holding me back from my initial position right now. I had no other hard guesses besides you but I'm afraid now that if I pursue this I might make a big mistake and one of us will end up dead, if you are a townie it could lose us the game and I wouldn't want the honor of being the one to push us over the brink if that is the scenario. If I die I will be responsible for the same thing. Right now the safest bet for me (though not the noblest since I'm really just fearing accountability right now :p ), is to figure out who else could be Mafia. I'm guessing there must be at least more than one. I have hardly analyzed the lower-key players yet so this isn't going to be easy, and it has grown really quiet around here so speculation is scarce. We might have to break everyone's behaviour down one by one and that is going to take an information-gathering effort from all of us.

[Autumn]

....
:gm: :wub: :stupid: :ph34r: :banghead:

You amaze me. You managed to make me question your guilt once again, however I didn't think it was possible. :worthy:
If you're really innocent that means that the mafia has absolutely done nothing in the whole game (and now that I think of it mgb's absence seems to fit in the picture) and we managed to almost beat ourselves to lose this game.

Nevertheless I still think we should lynch you next turn because I'm really curious about your role now.

(I'm not voting until it lets me select multiple choices.)

[Madrigal]

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