Mexican drug lord thanks American leaders

[Cupid stunt]

"I couldn't have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cajones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/mexican-drug-lord-officia_b_179596.html?view=screen

[Wingman]

I bet if cocaine was legal, all the major corporations would stick that s*** in all of their edible products. Maybe the tabacco industry would expand and make MJ and crack cigs. They'll be the richest people in the world, and all us Hispanics will be sent back to the stone age. Goddammit!

[Wise Fool]

tomacco.....

http://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/Bart_tomaccos.jpg

[Archvile]

If drugs were legal, the CIA would lose its major source of income.


I bet if cocaine was legal, all the major corporations would stick that s*** in all of their edible products.
Not if taxed properly.

[vSv]

I bet if cocaine was legal, all the major corporations would stick that s*** in all of their edible products. Maybe the tabacco industry would expand and make MJ and crack cigs. They'll be the richest people in the world, and all us Hispanics will be sent back to the stone age. Goddammit!

A quite simple solution for that would be to make a law so that you only are allowed to sell the drugs in "pure form".

[CEOofRawness]

"I couldn't have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cajones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you."

Meanwhile, many speculate that rich and prominent Mexican families are in cahoots with American businessmen in the alcohol industry, wealthy industrialists who launder the unprecedented profits from the drug business with their legitimate enterprises, and lawmakers who get gigantic kickbacks and payoffs to make sure that these drugs remain illegal, so they can remain rich, fat and happy. According to sources on both sides of the border, tens of millions of dollars in payoffs and kickbacks are stashed in Swiss banks every year, blood money from the brutal business made possible by a corrupt system supported by laws that don't, and have never, worked.
Wooooooooooow... I think it's time for heads to roll. Tens of millions of dollars... this is a ridiculous amount of corruption... :mad:

edit: Maybe we should start are own propaganda linking any anti-pot politician to the Mexican drug cartel. Point fingers and call them corrupt, see how they like the taste of propaganda.

[Anonymous]

If Calderon wants it legalized in America so badly, why doesn't he try legalizing it in Mexico first?

[LazyReed]

He kind of already has. Mexico city is a modern capital of progressive policies, with all drugs basically decriminalized.

[CEOofRawness]

If Calderon wants it legalized in America so badly, why doesn't he try legalizing it in Mexico first?

I thought about that as well. It probably has to do more with economic pressure from the United States than anything else. You think the US would help Mexico out at all if they legalized it? Besides, all the demand for the drugs comes from the US, so legalizing it in Mexico won't help their situation much and would prove an unfavorable gesture for the US.

Marijuana shouldn't be illegal to begin with. It just takes a large event like our current situation with the Mexican drug cartel for people to realize it. Public support for marijuana isn't very high (even here on INTPc), and I'm not surprised if people on here roll their eyes at another marijuana thread. Just like Obama laughed off marijuana legalization topping another one of his polls.

[Bongmaster General]

I'm not surprised if people on here roll their eyes at another marijuana thread. Just like Obama laughed off marijuana legalization topping another one of his polls.

Speaking of which, I thought I'd post the following video here instead of starting a new thread for that reason. Basically, when pressed for specific reasons, Obama's spokesman stuck with "because Obama said so." At least fewer people are laughing this time around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7XweXtz6SY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fhome.php%3F&feature=player_embedded

[CEOofRawness]

Speaking of which, I thought I'd post the following video here instead of starting a new thread for that reason. Basically, when pressed for specific reasons, Obama's spokesman stuck with "because Obama said so." At least fewer people are laughing this time around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7XweXtz6SY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fhome.php%3F&feature=player_embedded

"He said marijuana... tee-hee!" It's like no one can take it seriously. Backlogged courts, overcrowded jails, wasted government resources, and murderous drug cartels must be funny to these people. I guarantee that if Obama had been prosecuted under prohibition laws back when he was a pothead he would have never have become President.

That guy in the video said "ugh" about a hundred times because he had no good answer to give.

Bongmaster: What's up with the Family Matter's pictures?

[Bongmaster General]

"He said marijuana... tee-hee!" It's like no one can take it seriously. Backlogged courts, overcrowded jails, wasted government resources, and murderous drug cartels must be funny to these people. I guarantee that if Obama had been prosecuted under prohibition laws back when he was a pothead he would have never have become President.

That guy in the video said "ugh" about a hundred times because he had no good answer to give.

It was pretty fucking disgraceful. These asshats love salting the wounds. I'm living in the fucking twilight zone when cannabis legislation is the joke and creationism in public schools is a serious topic of discussion. Hopefully the more they laugh it off, the more reasonable, concerned citizens will start to realize our government is being managed by ignorance at best and sociopathy at worst.


Bongmaster: What's up with the Family Matter's pictures?

This should answer that question (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=1081796&postcount=1720)

[30footsmurf]

They don't take it seriously because they know the mountain of interests that will have to be dealt with to legalize pot. There are a lot of companies that will lose money if pot were made legal. I think it was FDR who used to talk to activists, and would even invite them into the white house to address their concerns. FDR knew full well how the political system functioned, and told these activists that he agreed with their proposals, and told them, "go make me do it". The point is, that a president is just a man, and is working against special interests that has been growing since ww1. We need to make it a problem to bend to the special interests demands, as right now, its easier to bend to their demands than the demands of the public.

Organizing and demonstrating in a peaceful manner is the only way to make anything change. We have to become a pain in the ass for these interests as well as the gov. I just watched Battle for Seattle last night which was a great flick that showed how a group of people took on the WTO and successfully ended the conference. It was inspiring, and renewed my interest in seeking out the opportunity to be arrested for my principles. What I took away from it is that if you don't like whats going on stop funding it by purchasing things from companies with interests counter to your own as much as you can(you probably still need gas), and demonstrate your dissatisfaction and how far you are willing to go to end what is happening, how ever far that is. But remember to do it in a peaceful way, otherwise they just have to say look at these crazy people, and most of the public will agree.

[Adymus]

Why do Mexicans always use "Stinking" as an adverb?

[CEOofRawness]

It was pretty fucking disgraceful. These asshats love salting the wounds. I'm living in the fucking twilight zone when cannabis legislation is the joke and creationism in public schools is a serious topic of discussion. Hopefully the more they laugh it off, the more reasonable, concerned citizens will start to realize our government is being managed by ignorance at best and sociopathy at worst.
People realize that about the government already, it's just that no one cares to do anything about it. There are plenty of people on neutral ground that don't care if marijuana is legal or not since it doesn't affect them (or so they believe) while many others are brainwashed by the reefer madness.

This should answer that question (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=1081796&postcount=1720)
Haha, good shit :highfive:

[fripping]

corruption? in my government? that's impossible.

you're welcome, mexican drug lord. a gift from us, please, enjoy. se bueno. *blows kiss*

[Wise Fool]

authority breeds corruption. corruption calls for authority. corrupt yourself.

[Cupid stunt]

authority breeds corruption. corruption calls for authority. corrupt yourself.

...and maybe one day you can be a president too.

[wivesandknives]

Maybe the tabacco industry would expand and make MJ and crack cigs.

pft, why do you think McDonald's fries and Krispy Kreme doughnuts are so good? :gm:

[MadamI'madaM]

pft, why do you think McDonald's fries and Krispy Kreme doughnuts are so good? :gm:

I think I'd completely burned out all my McDonald's receptors by age 11.

[Wise Fool]

...and maybe one day you can be a president too.

Fersure eh. I actually hitch-hiked around the western part of Canada when I was 18 or so, and I would often tell people who picked me up that I was going to be running for Prime Minister of Canada in 2034 and that I was in the process of trying to get a sense of the country. Though eventually my sense of the country led me to believe that I do not actually want to go through everything that would typically be required for a Prime Minister, essentially because it would require me to subsume to a corrupt system (as I would be dependent on money sources). But I did learn the value of corrupting yourself. I see the realization that I no longer wanted to be PM to be a corruption of myself, and the purity of my views.

EDIT: where'd my tomacco image go?

[CEOofRawness]

All politicians are puppets to special interest groups. We've become a nation run by factions of oligarchies that promote their own leader to become president.

I would think that corruption would be much more rampant in the lower levels of politics as they are easier to buy out. It's much easier to bribe a mayor than a Senator or the President.

I just want to see the source of the quote though; the blog provides no proof other than "a guy told me some other guy said..."

[Bongmaster General]

I just want to see the source of the quote though; the blog provides no proof other than "a guy told me some other guy said..."

I'm pretty sure the "article with sources" format is just a joke for better expressing the blog author's opinions.


"Oh yeah," said an official close to the Mexican president, "Felipe is going crazy. He's screaming at everybody who comes in, 'Why don't they make this sh*t legal already! You're killing me here!' Look, everyone knows, when you have Prohibition, you create gangsters. And the more you prohibit, the more gangsters you make.

That sounds way more like an American blogger creatively expressing his own views than it does an insider leak. The whole thing is filled with abnormally flippant and congruent "opinions" of various higher up sources with (from the perspective of a surface read) no comments from the author himself.

[CEOofRawness]

I'm pretty sure the "article with sources" format is just a joke for better expressing the blog author's opinions.

That sounds way more like an American blogger creatively expressing his own views than it does an insider leak. The whole thing is filled with abnormally flippant and congruent "opinions" of various higher up sources with (from the perspective of a surface read) no comments from the author himself.

Mos def. Someone on here mentioned that it sounded more like satire, which it does. It would definitely be nice though if something similar ended up on youtube or some shit and the media caught wind of it. Or maybe we should start rumors about any anti-pot politician being bribed by the cartels. A campaign of truth and reasoning hasn't worked, so maybe one that will create fear and anger will. It definitely worked for Bush in his last election.

[working title]

That doesn't sound like something el chapo would say, maybe in concept, but not in wording.

[quantumzero]

"I couldn't have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cajones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/mexican-drug-lord-officia_b_179596.html?view=screen

Typical grandios statement made by those using too much of their own product.

[CEOofRawness]

Typical grandios statement made by those using too much of their own product.

You're right. I'm sure all Congressmen and politicians are moral, upstanding citizens that would never take a bribery.

:sick:

[quantumzero]

Typical grandios statement made by those using too much of their own product.

*re reads article*

I stand by my original statement.

[kendoiwan]

*re reads article*

I stand by my original statement.

:popcorn:

[kendoiwan]

Ron Paul on pot

[Chaselation]

For Obama to legalize pot on a federal level makes no sense even if he does support it.

Let the more liberal states cross that line first. Forcing legal pot on hard core red states is political suicide. Getting California, Arizona New Mexico and Texas in early would likely help with the current issue. Once it's a source of income for the individual states and not a net cost of enforcement I suspect getting a joint over a boarder would be very difficult. States are very hungry for tax dollars right now.

[CEOofRawness]

*re reads article*

I stand by my original statement.
It isn't far-fetched to believe that there are politicians being bribed by drug cartels to keep the war on drugs going on. The only ones that benefit from prohibition are the cartels, so they of course would like it to be illegal.

Do you honestly think these guys will be around if it weren't for the black market?

Ron Paul on pot
You telling me they couldn't have gotten anyone else other than Stephen Baldwin to debate Ron Paul on legalization? It's sad, really...

For Obama to legalize pot on a federal level makes no sense even if he does support it.

Let the more liberal states cross that line first. Forcing legal pot on hard core red states is political suicide. Getting California, Arizona New Mexico and Texas in early would likely help with the current issue. Once it's a source of income for the individual states and not a net cost of enforcement I suspect getting a joint over a boarder would be very difficult. States are very hungry for tax dollars right now.
Change in marijuana policy isn't gonna come from Washington, but from a local level.

[MoneyJungle]

The only ones that benefit from prohibition are the cartels, so they of course would like it to be illegal.


Don't forget about the prison industry.

[revolutionman]

people who have never done or sold drugs, do not have an accurate scope of the subculture. All of the testing and polling and data gathering in the world wont give them the experience required to make educated decisions.

My prime example is that California legislator that wants to legalize marijuana and levy a tax of $50 on the ounce.

the most common varieties of marijuana only cost $50 an ounce. The proposed tax is so high that it would allow the criminal element to remain in business. In order to put the criminals out of business, they have to make it so that its cheaper to buy marijuana legally. The risk isn't stopping anyone now, so thats an impotent argument.

As a side note, crack cigarettes would never work because the temperature needed to smoke crack would burn away paper long before the user got high. Thats why crack users use glassware and metal.