PETA = wackjobs (IMHO)

[kendoiwan]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Bidens-Puppy-Breeder-Never-never-never-again.html?yhp=1


When the story got out, Brown faced backlash from pet lovers who thought the Bidens should have opted for a shelter over a breeder to find their new puppy.

PETA seized the moment as an opportunity to blame the killing of shelter animals on people who buy from breeders. The organization's TV commercial, "Buy One, Get One Killed" ran in Delaware after the Biden puppy story made headlines.

Dog wardens from the state showed up at Brown's Wolf Den kennel, repeatedly, for inspections.

"I was cited for a piece of kibble on the floor and five strands of dog hair. They took a picture of that, they walked around, snapped pictures and don't tell you why," Brown told the newspaper.

She was found "not guilty" for each citation, but hiring a lawyer for the court hearings has cost her $4,000 so far in legal fees.

Brown says she and Biden both received death threats from animal activists.

:wtf: :dont: :wacko:

[Dawn Run]

This is just one story. If you actually search for it there's thousands of fucking insane other attitudes taken by PETA and other animal rights groups.

[kendoiwan]

I know, I know (Free Mike Vick!!!)

[LastRailway]

Not sure I understand.
The problem was that she sold a dog? What's wrong about it?

[kendoiwan]

Not sure I understand.
The problem was that she sold a dog? What's wrong about it?

That they didn't go to a shelter and therefore some mutt will be put out of it's misery... :mellow:

[Arntor]

Can someone enlighten me as to why getting a puppy from a breeder is bad? Otherwise, this is just another bullshit case from PETA.

[kendoiwan]

That they didn't go to a shelter and therefore some mutt will be put out of it's misery... :mellow:


Can someone enlighten me as to why getting a puppy from a breeder is bad? Otherwise, this is just another bullshit case from PETA.

See the above.

It's just a dog :ph34r:

[LastRailway]

It's just a dog :ph34r:

I wanted to post the same before and then thought it would probably bring protests and stuff.

[kali]

Their outlandish method of promoting themselves makes them an easy target of vilification. But that's it. There's nothing really wrong with them, except that they are just a bit annoying every once in a while.


Can someone enlighten me as to why getting a puppy from a breeder is bad? Otherwise, this is just another bullshit case from PETA.I'm guessing it's because it's better to just adopt one from the pound. You're saving a puppy which would otherwise die.

But then there are the hardcore animal activists, who advocate animal liberation to such an extent that even owning cats and dogs is a form of slavery.

[kendoiwan]

Their outlandish method of promoting themselves makes them an easy target of vilification. But that's it. There's nothing really wrong with them, except that they are just a bit annoying every once in a while.

I'm guessing it's because it's better to just adopt one from the pound. You're saving a puppy which would otherwise die.

But then there are the hardcore animal activists, who advocate animal liberation to such an extent that even owning cats and dogs is a form of slavery.

People die every day. Sorry if I don't lose sleep over a dog or a cat.

[kali]

People die every day. Sorry if I don't lose sleep over a dog or a cat.
I accept your apology, but only if you promise me to lose lots of sleep in the future.

[kendoiwan]

*kicks dog*

[LastRailway]

*kicks dog*

Huh, the number of haters is increasing on this board.

(for the record I don't hate dogs, I just never cared much about animals).

[kali]

I sometimes voluntarily dirty my shoe too.

I kid. Honestly though, the option of adopting from a pound is not irrational. Buying from a breeder = supply and demand = more puppies. Why bring more puppies into the world when there are perfectly good ones in the pound?

[kendoiwan]

Huh, the haters are increasing on this board.

(for the record I don't hate dogs, I just never cared much about animals).

I don't hate dogs/cats, but in the spectrum of things one less dog/cat or hell a million less dogs/cats...

*tosses cat to see if it lands on it's feet*

[kendoiwan]

I sometimes voluntarily dirty my shoe too.

I kid. Honestly though, the option of adopting from a pound is not irrational. Buying from a breeder = supply and demand = more puppies. Why bring more puppies into the world when there are perfectly good ones in the pound?

Why not?! :mellow:

[kali]

The difference between the two options is an unnecessary death and an unnecessary birth.

[LastRailway]

I sometimes voluntarily dirty my shoe too.

I kid. Honestly though, the option of adopting from a pound is not irrational. Buying from a breeder = supply and demand = more puppies. Why bring more puppies into the world when there are perfectly good ones in the pound?

Dog's don't live many years, anyway. And I'm pretty sure breeders kill unnecessary puppies, or the ones that can't be sold anyway.

My real problem with the whole thing, is that people do seriously care and do make a fuss about some dogs. I mean, ok, they're gonna kill them, so what? It's just a dog.

What's with all the animal lovers, really? Humans are dying, and not of old age all of them, all those people that have that much time to protest about animals could invest it to something more worthwhile.

(/rant, /derail)

[kendoiwan]

The difference between the two options is an unnecessary death and an unnecessary birth.

Necessary being defined as? Seriously human beings are born everyday and die everyday without this much fanfare either way (unless ofcourse it's an abortion debate then all the death-penalty supporters suddenly care about human life)

[Robotron]

What about the bacteria and maggots you are denying the opportunity to flourish by saving the life of a puppy? Are they a bit harder to anthropomorphize?

[Oso Mocoso]

I don't hate dogs/cats, but in the spectrum of things one less dog/cat or hell a million less dogs/cats...

Eh. I'm a bit of a hypocrite about it. I don't believe that animals have rights, really. But I have a few particular dogs whose well-being I care about intensely. I think PETA people are crazy, but for me personally one dog more or less could be a really big deal. It's just that the one dog has a name and he follows me around the house.

[Dawn Run]

I sometimes voluntarily dirty my shoe too.

I kid. Honestly though, the option of adopting from a pound is not irrational. Buying from a breeder = supply and demand = more puppies. Why bring more puppies into the world when there are perfectly good ones in the pound?

Because the breeder one is so much more beautiful and has a better way of walking/running/whatever else.


Really. You are addressing the wrong problem. The problem with puppies in pounds isnt the fault of the breeders. Its the fault of irresponsible people who threw their dogs away.

Its not joe biden, or whoever else it was in the story, who is to blame here. He wants a pure breed dog, he can get it. You are blaming the wrong people and expecting those who are not guilty of it to solve the problem.


People die every day. Sorry if I don't lose sleep over a dog or a cat.


Most people would probably be more touched by seeing a cute puppy dead than by seeing a human being dead.

[kendoiwan]

Eh. I'm a bit of a hypocrite about it. I don't believe that animals have rights, really. But I have a few particular dogs whose well-being I care about intensely. I think PETA people are crazy, but for me personally one dog more or less could be a really big deal. It's just that the one dog has a name and he follows me around the house.

*kicks Oso's dog across the thread*

[Robotron]

Most people would probably be more touched by seeing a cute puppy dead than by seeing a human being dead.

I don't want to read into other people without a disclaimer, but I suspect that's because most people look to animals for self-worship, which is what adulation of their incompetence at abstractions and face we believe to be free of mask wearing, and all the bastardizations of them that constitutes their role in art in its entirety really is. I think any form at all of social interaction with an animal constitutes that.

[Oso Mocoso]

*kicks Oso's dog across the thread*

*commands rottweiler to sic Kendo's balls*

[kendoiwan]

*commands rottweiler to sic Kendo's balls*

*runs* :sadbanana:

[kali]

@ caseclosed
I'm not addressing the wrong problem, I'm addressing a different problem. I never stuck the blame on the breeders, I'm just pointing out the more viable/cost efficient option.

Also, we have a natural desire to protect anything with paedomorphic features. There's a reason why babies look so deformedly adorable.


Dog's don't live many years, anyway. And I'm pretty sure breeders kill unnecessary puppies, or the ones that can't be sold anyway.

My real problem with the whole thing, is that people do seriously care and do make a fuss about some dogs. I mean, ok, they're gonna kill them, so what? It's just a dog. People could save their money and the time that would invest on a dog to something more worthwhile.

What's with all the animal lovers, really? Humans are dying, and not of old age all of them, all those people that have that much time to protest about animals could invest it to something more worthwhile.

(/rant, /derail)I have a soft spot for animals, and cute humans.


Necessary being defined as? Seriously human beings are born everyday and die everyday without this much fanfare either way (unless ofcourse it's an abortion debate then all the death-penalty supporters suddenly care about human life)I guess the obvious definition is "needed". One option is more viable than the other - less harm done, less effort altogether. Not to mention you'd probably save more money if you buy from a pound instead. The only person at a disadvantage is the breeder - s/he loses business.

[kendoiwan]

I don't want to read into other people without a disclaimer, but I suspect that's because most people look to animals for self-worship, which is what adulation of their incompetence at abstractions and face we believe to be free of mask wearing, and all the bastardizations of them that constitutes their role in art in its entirety really is. I think any form at all of social interaction with an animal constitutes that.

I just like kicking them thank you very much.

*Hides from Oso's Rott will loading pistol* :peep:

[Dawn Run]

I don't want to read into other people without a disclaimer, but I suspect that's because most people look to animals for self-worship, which is what adulation of their incompetence at abstractions and face we believe to be free of mask wearing, and all the bastardizations of them that constitutes their role in art in its entirety really is. I think any form at all of social interaction with an animal constitutes that.


If you meant any form of social interaction with animals constitutes of people looking to the animals for self-worship. I know people who have cats and like it, even thought the cat doesnt give a fucking shit about the owner.


Let me guess, you are gonna say thats the second kind of social interaction with animals, masochism?

[kendoiwan]

I guess the obvious definition is "needed". One option is more viable than the other - less harm done, less effort altogether. Not to mention you'd probably save more money if you buy from a pound instead. The only person at a disadvantage is the breeder - s/he loses business.

And since we all know life is not "needed" and the world will still spin on its axis whether a dog is born or not, killed or not, the big deal is what?

Edit: at the end of the day a person exercised a chose they don't agree with and it warrants death threats?

[Robotron]

If you meant any form of social interaction with animals constitutes of people looking to the animals for self-worship. I know people who have cats and like it, even thought the cat doesnt give a fucking shit about the owner.


Let me guess, you are gonna say thats the second kind of social interaction with animals, masochism?

No, I think we invest ourselves in pets. The owners don't necessarily see them and their pet, they see their pet as an extension of themselves, or if not themselves specifically, as an extension of their place in the universe.

[kendoiwan]

No, I think we invest ourselves in pets. The owners don't necessarily see them and their pet, they see their pet as an extension of themselves, or if not themselves specifically, as an extension of their place in the universe.

Or just something to kick when I feel like it?

[Dawn Run]

@ caseclosed
I'm not addressing the wrong problem, I'm addressing a different problem. I never stuck the blame on the breeders, I'm just pointing out the more viable/cost efficient option.


It's just out of our control. And i dont like when people point this out, because the finger pointing it is usually full of blame and guilt when the people who are being pointed at are not guilty or to blame at all.


Sure, we could help, but its not really our fault, so you should be glad if we helped, not demand we do it and call us pet murderers if we dont.

[LastRailway]

I have a soft spot for animals, and cute humans.

I wouldn't kick an animal I see on the street, I may even throw them a piece of what I'm eating, depending on my mood at the moment.

But I feel the world would be a nicer place to live in if people, instead of caring about animals, cared first about kids on the streets or dying of hunger.

[Dawn Run]

No, I think we invest ourselves in pets. The owners don't necessarily see them and their pet, they see their pet as an extension of themselves, or if not themselves specifically, as an extension of their place in the universe.

Then ill assume they also see everyone else they are connected to as an extension of their place in the universe? Like their parents, brothers, sisters, kin in general?

[Zephyrus055]

Even though I am not a licensed psychologist, my opinion is that the majority of PETA's membership suffers from a psychological condition I want to call hyperactive/misfired empathy.

[Robotron]

Then ill assume they also see everyone else they are connected to as an extension of their place in the universe? Like their parents, brothers, sisters, kind in general?

Ever experience a narrative or empathize with media?

Its possible, but other people are a more complicated case, in that they are abstract thinkers same as you, and thus are also looking back for definitions of themselves. So it may be intended, but it invariably is impossible for it to be as easy as it is with different animals.

[ciphersort]

People die every day. Sorry if I don't lose sleep over a dog or a cat.


What about the bacteria and maggots you are denying the opportunity to flourish by saving the life of a puppy? Are they a bit harder to anthropomorphize?


Because the breeder one is so much more beautiful and has a better way of walking/running/whatever else. Really. You are addressing the wrong problem. The problem with puppies in pounds isnt the fault of the breeders. Its the fault of irresponsible people who threw their dogs away.
Most people would probably be more touched by seeing a cute puppy dead than by seeing a human being dead.

Those...

[Dawn Run]

Ever experience a narrative or empathize with media?

Its possible, but other people are a more complicated case, in that they are abstract thinkers same as you, and thus are also looking back for definitions of themselves. So it may be intended, but it invariably is impossible for it to be as easy as it is with different animals.


I cant say ive ever felt empathized with media, thought ive seen people who cant watch a single movie without becoming completely involved with the storyline.

Anyway, have you heard of the chesapeake bay retriever? Its supposedly a dog with intp/intj personality.


http://www.gundogmag.com/gundog_breeds/chesp_0605/index.html

[MacGuffin]

Dogs aren't NT.

They don't fucking think in abstract, strategic ways.

[Dawn Run]

Dogs aren't NT.

They don't fucking think in abstract, strategic ways.

Why not? I think some dogs can do both of those a lot better than a lot of humans.

[YHWH]

Why not? I think some dogs can do both of those a lot better than a lot of humans.

Just like those dogs, you're not really thinking.

[Dawn Run]

Just like those dogs, you're not really thinking.

Seawolf has me convinced dogs could do NT a lot better than any esfj out there.

[kali]

Either you're having a playful jab, or you're exaggerating (maybe just a tiny bit). Unless you really think dogs are analytically adept, and the only reason we're not aware of this is because of the language barrier. Perhaps my dog has been barking mathematical formulas at me. Perhaps my dog snickers at the illogical things I do. Perhaps I should stop typing... right... about... now.

[CheeZ]

Dogs are people too! Cats not so much! You people are fucking monsters! If we killed humans like we kill those sweet little cats and dogs this world would be a million times better off! Adopt an animal you heartless bastards! The life you save will be your own! How would you like it if we killed your children?? And by the way, meat is murder! Fur too! And leather! And soylent green is people! And wool is itchy!

These arguments would be much more credible if, rather than protesting, these lunatics all took a second job to provide homes for all sheltered animals. Seems a lot of these folks prefer the bitch-and-moan approach to active participation. IF PETA cares so much, why do any animals still live in shelters?

[kali]

Bah. Harbouring a moral principal does not mean you have to devote your life to the cause you support. I'm not too fond of genocide myself, but I'm sure as hell not going to fly to Darfur and adopt a bunch of Sudanese kids.

Most of the PETA hate is irrational. The organisation has done much worser shit than this; if you want to jump on the band wagon, at least pick a significantly horrible topic to criticise.

[CheeZ]

Point of order, Mr. Potato.


Comparing the rape and genocide of Sudanese people to euthanizing cats and dogs is a bad example. Also, adopting children is not the same as adopting cats and dogs.

People opposed to euthanizing animals don't have to travel around the world to make a difference. Most cities have an animal shelter nearby.

All hate is irrational.

I'm not suggesting that people who feel strongly about abandoned pets devote their entire lives to their cause. I'd just like to see something more constructive than death threats.

Incidentally, how do you act on your feelings toward genocide and support a cause that is important to you?

[airjaw]

Where can I buy the "PETA: People eating tasty animals" T-shirt?

[Dawn Run]

Where can I buy the "PETA: People eating tasty animals" T-shirt?

Make sure to get some bullet proof armor to go with it.


Either you're having a playful jab, or you're exaggerating (maybe just a tiny bit). Unless you really think dogs are analytically adept, and the only reason we're not aware of this is because of the language barrier. Perhaps my dog has been barking mathematical formulas at me. Perhaps my dog snickers at the illogical things I do. Perhaps I should stop typing... right... about... now.


Unless youve taught him mathematics, i kinda doubt it. But dogs can think in intuitive ways. It has been way too widely documented, dogs who can feel their owners are coming home even when the owner is a long way from home and not coming back at the same time they always do. Dogs can certainly perceive some things most people would call a "premonition", and unless you believe it is supernatural, then you have to admit its intuitive thinking, and that they can perceive certain things and connect them to eachother, predicting certain scenarios which often do happen?


Unless of course thats not what intuition means in mbti, and then i must apologize.

[bass_n_treble]

I'm particularly fond of ruining the concept of food for vegans.

I got my vegan ex-girlfriend to stop drinking beer when I let her know that some of them use fish bladders as a clarifying agent (whatever that is).

I also like to remind them that in order for them to eat their vegetables, the pesticides used killed insects so the plant can survive. I like to point out that they are killing bacteria in their bodies every second, which can be considered animals because they don't photosynthesize.

Then they say something like "that doesn't count" etc. etc. which I counter with "well, who are you to judge what lifeforms are more important than others? Do you have a God complex?"

For them to be left alone, they have to admit to me that they are not truly vegan, that they just have a vegetarian preference.

This is why dogmas are stupid and should ALWAYS be challenged head on.

[YHWH]

Dogs are more like feelers. I've seen a dog crying; disturbing machina.

[ciphersort]

Where can I buy the "PETA: People eating tasty animals" T-shirt?

http://www.zazzle.com/peta_people_eat_tasty_animals_tshirt-235133320498654437

[ciphersort]

I'm particularly fond of ruining the concept of food for vegans.

I agree and just ask them who decided that plants are not conscious?

Many vegans believe in, or at least pretend to believe in the universal mind or Gaia mind thingy... If they really do they need to stop eating .

[Chaselation]

Just to add something to the wackjob perspective. (No dogs were kicked in the making of this movie) It's long some highlights 3:00,6:25,11:00,12:55

Hypocrites

[Zephyrus055]

Well, there is a more valid reason mentioned by Hustler for a vegan diet. When you consider all the calories from plants to feed the cattle we get our meat from, the use of land for preparing meat consumption is inefficient. From what I read, you can get 10x the calorie output per acre by preparing plants than with animals. But I probably need to check up on that statistic, but it's conceivably less efficient anyhow imo.

But still, as long as our economy and population permits meat consumption, I am going to consume meat. Furthermore, I think that people who have their empathy triggered so greatly that they are compelled to be activists in PETA have a condition I want to call hyperactive misfired empathy.

[Dawn Run]

Well, there is a more valid reason mentioned by Hustler for a vegan diet. When you consider all the calories from plants to feed the cattle we get our meat from, the use of land for preparing meat consumption is inefficient. From what I read, you can get 10x the calorie output per acre by preparing plants than with animals. But I probably need to check up on that statistic, but it's conceivably less efficient anyhow imo.



You know what, I dont give a shit.

[Faust06]

Well, there is a more valid reason mentioned by Hustler for a vegan diet. When you consider all the calories from plants to feed the cattle we get our meat from, the use of land for preparing meat consumption is inefficient. From what I read, you can get 10x the calorie output per acre by preparing plants than with animals. But I probably need to check up on that statistic, but it's conceivably less efficient anyhow imo.

It's better in terms of calories, not for everything.

[working title]

Why have kids when you can adopt?

[kendoiwan]

Why have kids when you can adopt?

:worthy:

[CEOofRawness]

PETA = extremist group

:ph34r:

[**life is...**]

Dogs are more like feelers. I've seen a dog crying; disturbing machina.

Oh yeah, dogs are the ultimate Fi-Se combo, nothing else really going on.

[FathomThis]

Every time you buy from a breeder... god kills a kitten

[CheeZ]

Thought it was "Every time you kill a kitten, God masturbates."

[CEOofRawness]

Every time God masturbates, Chuck Norris roundhouses a baby.