Salvia Divorium

[Cupid stunt]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/26/drugs-legal-substances-highs

"There are many drugs that help people get out of their minds yet stay within the law - they're called 'legal highs'

Salvia divinorum, used by Aztecs to alter consciousness, can be bought on eBay; 'spice' is four times stronger than cannabis, yet can be sold over the counter; mephedrone is similar to crystal meth, but is completely legal. Jamie Doward and Oliver Shah report on the growing concern among politicians and police on both sides of the Atlantic"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/26/legal-highs-drugs-herbal-government

They're probably gonna ban Salvia now :sadbanana:

I've never tried it but after reading up on it I'm very interested. Has anyone here tried it?

[CheeZ]

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=25361

[Cupid stunt]

Thanks

[CheeZ]

You're welcome.

[BAJ]

This whole thread should be deleted. This kind of post belongs in the Emporium.

[CEOofRawness]

They're probably gonna ban Salvia now :sadbanana:

I've never tried it but after reading up on it I'm very interested. Has anyone here tried it?
They already banned it in Florida, one of the most anti-drug states in the country (god I want to move). My mom has always used it as a tea to cure some ailment, I think nausea or upset stomach. I'd have to ask my mom to be sure.

This whole thread should be deleted. This kind of post belongs in the Emporium.
Why should it be deleted? The War on Drugs is definitely a current event, which is this thread relates to.


In March 2008 it was reported that Florida state Representative Mary Brandenburg had proposed a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison... Having passed both House and Senate, the bill was signed into law on May 29, 2008 by Governor Charlie Crist becoming effective July 1, 2008... Representative Brandenburg has received political campaign contributions from beer, wine & liquor related industries. Senator Lynn has received political campaign contributions from industries including tobacco companies & tobacco product sales, and beer, wine & liquor related industries.

This bill was passed faster than you can say "special interests". :mellow:

[Cupid stunt]

Why should it be deleted? The War on Drugs is definitely a current event, which is this thread relates to.

Seems when Hustler made a thread saying I made crap posts it created a bandwagon.


This bill was passed faster than you can say "special interests". :mellow:

It's why all drugs are illegal. :sadbanana:

[CheeZ]

This whole thread should be deleted. This kind of post belongs in the Emporium.

The issues against this thread:

1. A thread about salvia already exists

2. Drug threads tend to go somewhere else

A discussion about legality might justify this thread in this location. A second thread about experiences with salvia would not.


Seems when Hustler made a thread saying I made crap posts it created a bandwagon.

As long as you keep posting topical threads that generate earnest discussion, you're a credit to the forum. This one missed the mark is all.

The day you get lynched on this forum, you'll have no doubt.

[Cupid stunt]

The issues against this thread:

1. A thread about salvia already exists

2. Drug threads tend to go somewhere else

A discussion about legality might justify this thread in this location. A second thread about experiences with salvia would not.

I wasn't aware that the emporium existed, I'll bear it in mind in future.



As long as you keep posting topical threads that generate earnest discussion, you're a credit to the forum. This one missed the mark is all.

The day you get lynched on this forum, you'll have no doubt.

:ph34r:

[MadamI'madaM]

There's a reason some highs are legal.

[CEOofRawness]

The issues against this thread:

1. A thread about salvia already exists

2. Drug threads tend to go somewhere else

A discussion about legality might justify this thread in this location. A second thread about experiences with salvia would not.

Then merge or move it. No reason for it to be deleted just because some people don't like it (not to say that person is you).

[Roger Mexico]

Is no one going to point out that it's called Salvia Divinorum, not "Salvia divorium"?

Stoners.

[CEOofRawness]

I read up on Salvia Divinorum a bit and was surprised to learn that it isn't addictive, there's no hangover effect, and there is no lethal dose of the active ingredient (salvinorin A) has been found. Studies show it might help with HIV and cocaine addiction treatment. These are preliminary findings I only found on a few websites so I'd take it lightly.

I do have a friend that's the definition of a druggie; this dude has tried everything under the sun. Salvia use as a drug is somewhat obscure, so I didn't know if he had even heard of it. Needless to say, he's already tried it. Said he had a 3D hallucination involving a cactus that he walked around; very vivid hallucinations. Despite the strong hallucinogenic effects, he said that Amsterdam still considers it a "soft drug" like marijuana.

One website I found useful: The Salvia Divinorum User's Guide (http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html). NTs might appreciate the "profoundly introspective state of awareness" that salvia produces.


Salvia divinorum is an extraordinary visionary herb. It is not a recreational drug. It produces a profoundly introspective state of awareness that is useful for meditation, contemplation, and self-reflection. Its effects are unique and cannot be compared with the effects of other drugs. The effects of Salvia do not appeal to many people (young or old). The people who are most drawn to it are both mature and philosophically minded. Beware of inaccurate information. There are many unethical vendors who try to lure naive customers by portraying the effects of Salvia as more appealing than they are. The news media often sensationalizes stories about Salvia, exaggerating its effects, risks, and popularity. Much of what has appeared in the popular press is inaccurate and misleading. Salvia is not "legal pot." It is not "legal acid." It is not a substitute for any other drug. Before trying Salvia, it is important that you know about its effects, appropriate uses, and the potential risks associated with irresponsible use.

This is all second hand info, but hopefully it helps. Never tried it, although I might consider it after looking it up a bit more (need to confirm its safety, etc).

In Cuba, it's commonly used as a cold remedy (brewed as a tea); many people don't even know about its hallucinogenic effects. I read somewhere that the DEA is conducting research (if you can call it that) to determine whether or not it will be a federally controlled substance. The fact that it is non-addicting and non-lethal will definitely be overlooked. It isn't considered recreational drug; even my druggie friend wouldn't want to use it often. He said it was less of a "high" and more of a "trip", and that it's something he doesn't care too much for.

Hope that helps.

[Roger Mexico]

Well, like everything else, the government won't make laws against it until a suitably large group of people start using it for some purpose the government doesn't approve of.

I tried it once, maybe twice. Basically, salvia : acid as whip-its : ecstasy. That was my experience, anyway.

[CEOofRawness]

Well, like everything else, the government won't make laws against it until a suitably large group of people start using it for some purpose the government conservatives don't approve of.

I tried it once, maybe twice. Basically, salvia : acid as whip-its : ecstasy. That was my experience, anyway.

Most people aren't too into salvia; like I said, it's not a recreational drug. So I don't think enough people will really use it. Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a controlled substance.

The government should have to test drugs before they schedule them. Salvia does have medicinal properties, and yet the state of Florida has declared it a schedule I substance, meaning that it has no accepted medical value. This will seriously hamper any scientific studies that can find these medicinal values, not to mention that studies already show that it's very promising medicinally. This is hampering the advancement of society, which is what bugs me the most.

There are certain criteria that must be fulfilled in regards to controlled substances. The government should be forced to prove these criteria before they can declare it for any drug.

[CheeZ]

Well, like everything else, the government won't make laws against it until a suitably large group of people start using it for some purpose the government doesn't approve of.

If it's not lethal, not addictive, or damaging long term, the case against is pretty thin. If there's also little potential for salvia to cut into cigarette and alcohol sales, there is no good reason to move against it.

[Rincon]

Gardening On Salvia

Gotta' love the "fuck it" moment when he drops the trowel...

[CEOofRawness]

If it's not lethal, not addictive, or damaging long term, the case against is pretty thin. If there's also little potential for salvia to cut into cigarette and alcohol sales, there is no good reason to move against it.

Same could be said for marijuana, and look how that has ended up: polarized between those who know the truth and those who suffer from reefer madness.

Besides, politicians will just use the "think of the children" line to justify their reasoning. Salvia may cut into alcohol sales, because Florida's government officials that are for banning salvia are getting some nice donations from the alcohol industry.

[Roger Mexico]

I think a sizable number of our drug laws are the result of politicians looking to scare up votes with engineered moral panics.

I wouldn't be so quick to let the liberals off the hook, CEO. Puritanism runs deep through American political culture. Take, for example, mainstream liberalism's generally schizophrenic attitude toward pornography.

Ultimately, the reason I'm not so sure salvia will end up illegal is not the fact that it's harmless (pot is relatively harmless, but it's highly illegal), but rather the fact that you can't get all that high on it.

[MadamI'madaM]

Ultimately, the reason I'm not so sure salvia will end up illegal is not the fact that it's harmless (pot is relatively harmless, but it's highly illegal), but rather the fact that you can't get all that high on it.

Oh, you get high on it.

Just not in a way I would ever pay money for.

[JohnClay]

Oh no! It is illegal in Australia!

[MadamI'madaM]

It's illegal in a few states here, too.

Big deal, it's not very fun.

[CEOofRawness]

I wouldn't be so quick to let the liberals off the hook, CEO. Puritanism runs deep through American political culture. Take, for example, mainstream liberalism's generally schizophrenic attitude toward pornography.

Liberals are just another brand of snake oil, although less poisonous IMO. Conservative republicans are obsessed with enforcing social "values" that not everyone share, and so are a lot more damaging if you're outside their social circle. But yea, a politician is still a politician no matter how you paint it.


Oh, you get high on it.

Just not in a way I would ever pay money for.

Yea it doesn't sound all that enjoyable from what I've heard.

[Cupid stunt]

It's illegal in a few states here, too.

Big deal, it's not very fun.

That's part of the point. It's used mainly for spiritual & medicinal purposes, it doesn't kill people. People will take it whether it's legal or not. Rebellious children will take it because it's illegal. Banning it will cost lots of money and ruin lots of lives. Why put it on the black market?

[CEOofRawness]

Why put it on the black market?

I told you, because of the children! Oh, and special interests too.

Even if it doesn't compete much with alcohol, the alcohol industry would prefer it not to compete at all.

[**life is...**]

I can't deal with salvia.

Basically my trips always start with my heart rate spiking up to like 130, I don't actually know if it's that high, but I feel this pounding throughout my whole body, which then starts to work it's way into my vision and all of my senses.

Next, this pounding works its way into my thoughts. So I start to think of something, but it only starts, then stops, then starts over, like in tune with this rhythm. This eventually leads to an emotional outbreak, I think to myself: god I'm a failure I can't do anything right. (more on this later)

This builds to extreme levels, to the point of maximum despair. Once I reach this point, one of two things will happen:

A: I'll break through into some sort of dissociation, like a sort of mental shield that protects me from the pain. If I get here everything just sort of shuts down, and I just stare blank eyed out into nothingness everything is the same, nothing matters sort of thing. I won't remember much but I'll be left with a sustained feeling of complete and utter worthlessness for about 2 hours

B: I come up with something profoundly meaningful. If this happens the trip becomes very positive, I feel as if I've done something meaningful and deserve to be alive.

After the turning point my thoughts begin to become visualized, every repetition starts to add upon itself until some incredibly immense mental structure is formed. If I feel bad at that point, It's like I'm really depressed but in a beautiful area, it doesn't really phase me. If I feel good then it carries incredible weight and becomes associated forever with whatever I realized earlier.


Will this improve your life?

I would say no. It's a very strange experience that can open your eyes to some extremely depressed states of being. If you have a desire to experience this then go ahead. It does have some potential to allow you to "realize" things that you might have been confused over, but for me it was always about life itself or something that is so profound that it carries little meaning in "reality". It allows you to see patterns with incredible accuracy, but it's like everything is contrasted to the max. It's either bad or neutral. Nothing is good.

[30footsmurf]

I can't deal with salvia.


Next, this pounding works its way into my thoughts. So I start to think of something, but it only starts, then stops, then starts over, like in tune with this rhythm. This eventually leads to an emotional outbreak, I think to myself: god I'm a failure I can't do anything right. (more on this later)


I've got some friends that had bad trips with it. I've had nothing but good experiences with it though. The first time I tripped I didn't get any visuals, but I became convinced the my area of view was all there was, and was continually surprised every time I would change my field of vision. I got the sense that reality was essentially one big blanket, and everything that exists is that blanket taking on various forms. It was fun, but realizations like that can come out of arm chair physics studies, or late nights researching the thoughts of the eastern philosophies.
My second trip was way better, I felt my consciousness break into 3 parts. I was able to see myself as three different people within the same consciousness. One of me is a ass hole, another is utterly depressed and fights with ideas of self worth, and the other is a super chill happy go lucky dude that holds everything together. It was a fascinating trip, and gave me some insight on myself.
Other than that, I've enjoyed the afterglow affect. It stayed with me for like a week. I was just a little more content than I was before.

[Technical]

I think I tried it once. I remember sitting there completely motionless and staring at a wall for five minutes while some annoying girl was talking. I was trying to be funny, and it worked, but don't usually get ideas like that.