Canada might decide to suck more

[Faust06]

http://www.songwriters.ca/studio/proposal.php

A proposal for the monetization of the file sharing of music from the songwriters and recording artists of Canada. To summarize, they want to give music studios a portion of everyone's internet charges, but allow full p2p rights to all Canadians.

I guess the Songwritter's Association of Canada is just another RIAA puppet, or a collective a fucking idiots.

I've said this before: the only way this makes sense, in my mind, is if ALL songwriters in the fucking world get a share, and all of the labels, not just the RIAA. And that could never happen.

I fucking hate bullshit tax, and that's all this is. Paying music studios to USE THE FUCKING INTERNET???It's retarded, and insane. Major music labels will do anything to swing some more cash in their direction, but this is no better, rather I would say it's much WORSE, than downloading.

The only reasonable thing the labels can offer is putting EVERYTHING up for download for a montly fee, on some website or whatever. That's the legitimate way. Of course this is unnecessary, because we already have Itunes which is more cost-efficient for the consumer. All of this is for money, and none of it is about what's "right". I can imagine IF musicians got a share, it would be shit for each individual artist, so insignificant that I can't imagine why they would ever think it would "support them, and the RIAA collective would get most of the money streaming in. Or at most, the RIAA and the pet favorite musicians.

If this goes through, I will fucking fight it. Fuck, I hate my country sometimes. Fuck.

[Roger Mexico]

That idea is retarded. Is anyone in the government taking it seriously?

[Faust06]

That idea is retarded. Is anyone in the government taking it seriously?

I'm thinking if they're doing all this, there's a definite possibility that it's going to be taken seriously. There's too much profit to be made.

[Roger Mexico]

I'm thinking if they're doing all this, there's a definite possibility that it's going to be taken seriously. There's too much profit to be made.

Yeah, but it seems like a huge pain in the ass from a logistical perspective. Does the RIAA actually have that kind of political clout?

[Faust06]

Unless they don't have very good foresight, I think they must have some... I mean, they've demonstrated so before in the US, and in Canada now we have a tax on blank cds and mp3 players. We've nearly paved the fucking way for this to happen.

[bass_n_treble]

Go out and see some concerts, buy a t-shirt. The bands make most of that money.

You should also give this a read, if for no other reason than to get even more jaded with the music industry: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

(btw, Steve Albini is one of my favorite producers)

[Neville]

I fucking hate bullshit tax, and that's all this is. Paying music studios to USE THE FUCKING INTERNET???It's retarded, and insane. Major music labels will do anything to swing some more cash in their direction, but this is no better, rather I would say it's much WORSE, than downloading.

Good thing you wont have to pay it:
Broadband internet and wireless subscribers will be able to opt out of the licence fee if they do not share music files and if they sign an undertaking to pay a predetermined amount of damages if they are caught file sharing.


The only reasonable thing the labels can offer is putting EVERYTHING up for download for a montly fee, on some website or whatever.

This is essentially what it does.


If this goes through, I will fucking fight it. Fuck, I hate my country sometimes. Fuck.

You really wont.

I kind of like the idea.

[Faust06]

Good thing you wont have to pay it:
Quote:
Broadband internet and wireless subscribers will be able to opt out of the licence fee if they do not share music files and if they sign an undertaking to pay a predetermined amount of damages if they are caught file sharing.


I don't buy that. It means there wont be enough people signing up to pay, at all. A promise they can't keep? Think of it, if the "2% of downloaded music files are paid" stat is true, then this is useless. Or rather, maybe they think any money is still money.

It's still in the consumer's favor to just use iTunes, and buy the songs they actually want. So what's the deal here? It still feels like an eventual attempt at being parasites. Remember, they did it with blank cds and mp3 players here, they can do it again.

Even if people have the choice to opt out, I still don't like it on the grounds that it doesn't benefit everyone it should, and probably benefits some people more than it should.


You really wont.

You watch.

Conspiracy conspiracy!

[Feops]

Hm!

You know, if this topic was about drugs, certain people would be praising the notion of the government taxing and legalizing (or at least tolerating) an illegal activity rather than fighting with jailtime and such. If this were to be taken seriously of course.

Shame these kind of things require a blanket response. Not all blank media is for illegal activity, though a lot of it is.

[MadamI'madaM]

Music as a public good is one of those things that sounds great in never never land, but I don't know how it would actually work out.

As it is, I don't think labels deserve any more money since the internet is already giving them all their pubilcity for free these days. Artists still seem to be SOL.

[Chaselation]

http://www.songwriters.ca/studio/proposal.php

A proposal for the monetization of the file sharing of music from the songwriters and recording artists of Canada. To summarize, they want to give music studios a portion of everyone's internet charges, but allow full p2p rights to all Canadians.


What of the movie industry and software companies. It's presumptuous to assume the internet is in existence just to steal their music and they should get a cut off the top. Canadian ISPs (so far) have been very good about keeping it free to all without restriction. I hope this continues and I suspect they will fight this as well.

[Neville]

I don't buy that. It means there wont be enough people signing up to pay, at all. A promise they can't keep? Think of it, if the "2% of downloaded music files are paid" stat is true, then this is useless. Or rather, maybe they think any money is still money.

It's still in the consumer's favor to just use iTunes, and buy the songs they actually want. So what's the deal here? It still feels like an eventual attempt at being parasites. Remember, they did it with blank cds and mp3 players here, they can do it again.

That all depends on how much it's going to cost and if the ISPs just decide to include the tax hidden in pricing most people would pay it without ever knowing. I'd rather pay the tax and have unlimited choices rather than have to pay per song/album at itunes. Again, it all depends on the price though. It's also better to be a parasite than out of business, the industry is just trying to find revenue.


Even if people have the choice to opt out, I still don't like it on the grounds that it doesn't benefit everyone it should, and probably benefits some people more than it should.

Who should it be benefiting? The artist? They need to side step the label if they want more money, otherwise the money rightfully belongs to the label.



You watch.

Conspiracy conspiracy!

Good luck pal.

[thod]

I am one of those weird people that uses the internet, but never listens to music. I have no music collection, no CD's, tapes, vinyl, or MP3 files. This is to let you know that people like me exist. Why then should I pay for others to have their music? I object. Isn't this the same as people who don't watch pornography having to pay for it in their internet charge because others do.

[Managarmr]

The RIAA and all of the record labels are essentilly unnecessary at this point, and they know it. They have their own crew generating ideas to stay afloat. I'm seriously waiting for an artist to break through and gain mass appeal without the "benefit" of a label. For most it would probably require some investor capital to tour, but recording and distribution (electronically) can be done for hardly anything.

[CEOofRawness]

I'm seriously waiting for an artist to break through and gain mass appeal without the "benefit" of a label.

I'm seriously waiting for an angry mob to storm RIAA; they're long overdue.

[bass_n_treble]

I'm seriously waiting for an artist to break through and gain mass appeal without the "benefit" of a label.

I'm waiting for the second coming of Jesus too.

[Neville]

I'm waiting for the second coming of Jesus too.

Im wating for these keys to sto pmoving.

[ocop]

Im wating for these keys to sto pmoving.

That's not a particularly fruitful endeavor. I daresay ibuprofen and sleep would be more beneficial than your waiting game...

I think the recording companies would be better off with realistic distribution deals (<<.99/song) instead of attempting to tax everyone for the illegal downloading of a few. If these people would own up to the realities of their current business model (no one buys CDs anymore), I would be much more philosophically and economically inclined to "do the right thing". There is a certain level of merit to financially rewarding the producers of art, the problem is that I'm just too poor to consistently do it.

[MadamI'madaM]

If no one is buying the actual recording media anymore, then I don't see why it's so hard to get away from parasitic majors.

[Medici]

Good thing you wont have to pay it

The companies will pass the cost onto the consumer, that's how most business taxes work.

[Neville]

The companies will pass the cost onto the consumer, that's how most business taxes work.

That would be the idea, did you think the company would eat the cost and let everyone have music for free? Pay the tax and get your music or opt out and don't.


Broadband internet and wireless subscribers will be able to opt out of the licence fee if they do not share music files and if they sign an undertaking to pay a predetermined amount of damages if they are caught file sharing.

[Medici]

That would be the idea, did you think the company would eat the cost and let everyone have music for free? Pay the tax and get your music or opt out and don't.

I believe that directly conflicts with

"Good thing you wont have to pay it"

[Neville]

I believe that directly conflicts with

"Good thing you wont have to pay it"

Here, one more time.
Broadband internet and wireless subscribers will be able to opt out of the licence fee if they do not share music files and if they sign an undertaking to pay a predetermined amount of damages if they are caught file sharing.

[Feops]

Broadband internet and wireless subscribers will be able to opt out of the licence fee if they do not share music files and if they sign an undertaking to pay a predetermined amount of damages if they are caught file sharing.

Yeah that'll fly in court.

"Mr. Jones, why did you not pay your fee which permits you to conduct illegal activities?"

[Neville]

Yeah that'll fly in court.

"Mr. Jones, why did you not pay your fee which permits you to conduct illegal activities?"

Really? No, really?

[Huston]

I guess the Songwritter's Association of Canada is just another RIAA puppet, or a collective a fucking idiots.

The later most likely produced the former...

This is what these lame liberal-arts shitheads will get for wanting more arts funding from the government.

[Huston]

Go out and see some concerts, buy a t-shirt. The bands make most of that money.

Agreed. A musician needs to invest (share their music for free on the internet) to make money at concerts.

And for film:
Max Keiser's Pirate My Film (http://www.piratemyfilm.com/)
Be aware of the twitter icon at the bottom for details.

[ciphersort]

Here, one more time.


Yeah that'll fly in court.

"Mr. Jones, why did you not pay your fee which permits you to conduct illegal activities?"


Really? No, really?

More indulgences should be sold... no wait...

[Faust06]

Agreed. A musician needs to invest (share their music for free on the internet) to make money at concerts.

And for film:
Max Keiser's Pirate My Film (http://www.piratemyfilm.com/)
Be aware of the twitter icon at the bottom for details.

Also agreed. In today's world, if you want attention, nobody is going to promote you to the general public unless you're the next shit mainstream act. You need to be heard, so allow people to hear you. For the majority of bands at the top right now, they owe it to file sharing. Promo reviews don't give people nearly the same amount of incentive to purchase... it gives them incentive to hear the material.

In the past, radio play was alot better and that's how most people dictated what they were going to purchase. That was considered "free" and recording on cassettes was a "problem", and now we joke about it. This is just a progression, butting out the middle men.