Waiting For the Pope to Die

[Stem]

For some reason I think I would feel better if he bites the dust today. :devil:

[Shai Gar]

me too.

[Sam172]

For some reason I think I would feel better if he bites the dust. :devil:

I wouldn't. I like the pope :)

[Vagabond]

Anything personal with the specific Pope? He *will* be replaced, you know.

[Sam172]

Anything personal with the specific Pope? He *will* be replaced, you know.
He's such a groovy little man. Plus the amount of news coverage on his death would be almost unbearable.... worse than the Queen Mother...lest we forget.

[Vagabond]

He's such a groovy little man. Plus the amount of news coverage on his death would be almost unbearable.... worse than the Queen Mother...lest we forget. I meant mostly those that will be relieved if he dies... either they have something against the specific Pope, or against the idea of having a Pope, in which case it is pointless to be happy if he dies - there *will* be a new one. :)

[Sam172]

I meant mostly those that will be relieved if he dies... either they have something against the specific Pope, or against the idea of having a Pope, in which case it is pointless to be happy if he dies - there *will* be a new one. :)
Lets just be thankful that Bush isn't going to be the new Pope 0_0

[PsiKik]

I wonder. Heard he is being fed thru a tube. Will it be removed if he becomes unconscious etc?

At what point should the doctors stop messing with nature? He is obviously going to die soon, and they are just prolonging his suffering.

[PsiKik]

Lets just be thankful that Bush isn't going to be the new Pope 0_0
Lets hope the new one will not take kindly to the shrubby one.
Apparantly the present pope did not like GW one bit.

[Sam172]

Lets hope the new one will not take kindly to the shrubby one.
Apparantly the present pope did not like GW one bit.

The Pope's my hero ^_^

[Stem]

He's about to die. Man, I have good timing.

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Farewell pope. Email me from heaven.

[euterpenc]

Maybe god's giving him extra long life...

[Stem]

Yeah, prolong that divine suffering.

[Lee]

God's a sadist.

[Stem]

Yeah, apperently he watched his own son stripped naked and nailed to wood. Now all the christians have a cross fetish.

[Shai Gar]

heh

[meshou]

Yeah, apperently he watched his own son stripped naked and nailed to wood. Now all the christians have a cross fetish.And all the atheists talk about them constantly. It's very cute.

Where have all the apathetic ones gone? Long time passing...

[Eileen]

I certainly don't agree with everything the pope has said/done; in fact, I have major problems with lots of things... but I do like him, and he had some truly Christian things to say after September 11th, as opposed to the popes of the evangelical protestants like Fallwell and Graham...

[crule81]

My grandparents on the polish side were really inspired by the pope. Back in the 80's he was a real symbol of resistence to the communist eastern european regimes. Unlike other popes, who merely sat on their lofty vatican thrones, John Paul travelled all over the world to reach out to all catholics. Hopefully, the next pope will follow his example. I'm not religious, but I'm convinced that this pope is an important and historic figure.

[jimkopelli]

Lets just be thankful that Bush isn't going to be the new Pope 0_0
Don't even joke like that... people might get ideas...

Popes have really had to change in this century, now that they have media to worry about...

[SensEye]

I remember liking J.P. when he first came to power (yes, I am that old). I have nothing against him now, but new blood would be nice. Ideally, popes should be able to retire, but, as usual, the Vatican is too much of a stodgy, stupid, traditionalist institution to make intelligent change.

The powers behind the throne, so to speak, probably like it when a pope becomes a doddering old man, that way they can wield their power much more directly.

[PsiKik]

I just hope the next pope introduces some reforms re birth control, the ridiculous stance is well, ridiculous and harmfull.
Perhaps the new one should allow priests to marry. That would maybe end the paedophile problem in some years. Im convinced it's the enforced celibacy that drives them crazy.

[Claverhouse]

On the other hand, one of them, Sextus VI, I think, was a poor doddering old man easily swayed and biddable until the moment the election results came through. Then he stood up straight and healthy, and started getting his own back on anyone who ever had annoyed him in any way whatsoever: or anyone who chose to try to do so during the remainder of his life.

I've got a slight weakness for Julius II.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[crule81]

I've got a slight weakness for Julius II.

One must love a pope in armor leading his troops in battle. If the Catholic Church still had that attitude, I might actually go to church on Sunday.

[crule81]

Innocent III is also intereting - excommunicating kings left and right. Too bad he had to condone the sack of Constantinople, the absolute lowpoint in christianity.

[INTerloPer]

It is the post of Pope I disagree with, not this specific one. However, I still hope the Pope dies soon, to be replaced by someone a little more liberal.

[songbird36]

Apparently JP II is largely being controlled by conservative cardinals. When he first came to power he was relatively liberal and tried to introduce reforms.

He was always unpopular with some conservatives because of his ethnic background.

[Thermo]

He's about to die. Man, I have good timing.

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Farewell pope. Email me from heaven.
He is clearly going to hell for his sins.

[ohnoaninfp]

He is clearly going to hell for his sins.

And what sins would that be, you Calvinist? :rant: :laser:

[Stem]

And all the atheists talk about them constantly. It's very cute.

Where have all the apathetic ones gone? Long time passing...

I'm not an atheist. When necessary, I am even sometimes a Christian. :thelook:

[ApeTheDog]

I hope he dies soon so his suffering can end. It must be horrible to spend your last month on earth with a tube in your throat, unable to speak, feeling yourself dying... and having shit all to look forward to. A dog would have been shot already to end his pain.

[songbird36]

He will be remembered for being instrumental in ending Communism in the Eastern bloc countries, and for mediating in the impending war between Chile and Argentina near the end of the the Pinochet regime.

He wasn't afraid to wade in and influence politics where he saw injustice occurring.

[Dman]

What does the Pope actually * do * anyways? Isn't he just a figurehead? Will anything actually change when a new Pope comes into power?

[Warrior413]

I was in Vatican City 5 days ago... but no, SOMEONE just HAD to keep living...

[ohnoaninfp]

Aren't you compassionate!

[Stem]

I dreamed of snakes again. Everytime I do, someone dies... this time it was just the Pope. :)

[Eileen]

Fox, the fair, balanced, and prophetic news source apparantly reported his death prematurely, much like the 2000 election.

[songbird36]

"Rumours of my death are greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain

[crule81]

According to yahoo and cnn, the Pope has died. He passed at 2:37 this afternoon eastern time.

[coffeezombie]

According to yahoo, the Pope has died.

I think there should be a democratic process allowing all Roman Catholics to elect a new pope and if there is not the US should invade the Vatican City.

[mgb]

I think there should be a democratic process allowing all Roman Catholics to elect a new pope and if there is not the US should invade the Vatican City.

There is a democratic process. It's a representative democracy though.

I can't wait for George Bush to find out that he doesn't get to pick the new pope.

[Kotuku]

According to yahoo and cnn, the Pope has died. He passed at 2:37 this afternoon eastern time.

9:37 pm Italy time
(same timezone that i'm in)

[aether]

Althought it is unfortunate that the pope died....

Hopefully now the catholic church will be reformed and millions of catholics will be liberated from some of the more feudalistics beliefs of the Vatican.

Hopefully now they will consider allowing priests to marry and have a family, women priests, use of contraceptive.....etc.

[booyalab]

Althought it is unfortunate that the pope died....

Hopefully now the catholic church will be reformed and millions of catholics will be liberated from some of the more feudalistics beliefs of the Vatican.

Hopefully now they will consider allowing priests to marry and have a family, women priests, use of contraceptive.....etc.

there are these useful things called history books.

[mgb]

Althought it is unfortunate that the pope died....

Hopefully now the catholic church will be reformed and millions of catholics will be liberated from some of the more feudalistics beliefs of the Vatican.

Hopefully now they will consider allowing priests to marry and have a family, women priests, use of contraceptive.....etc.

I'm not sure I agree with the implication that 1 billion people across the world have no free will.

[aether]

I'm not sure I agree with the implication that 1 billion people across the world have no free will.

re·li·gion Audio pronunciation of "Religion" ( P )
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Not everyone is an INTP.

[mgb]

re·li·gion Audio pronunciation of "Religion" ( P )
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Not everyone is an INTP.

Hey, wow, thanks for that. That was really great. I hope you didn't spend too long looking that up and making it bold.

But you'll have a difficult time proving that 1 billion people emulate their leader with the religios zealousness your definition suggests. In fact, you might find most don't.

[melancholeric]

re·li·gion Audio pronunciation of "Religion" ( P )
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Not everyone is an INTP.
Not every Catholic uses those definitions. Nor blindly obeys everything the Pope says.

Besides, what makes you think that this Pope biting the dust would change anything? Who's going to be the next Pope and will he be any less conservative?

It's not like this was the first recorded instance in history of religion of a Pope passing away.

[aether]

Hey, wow, thanks for that. That was really great. I hope you didn't spend too long looking that up and making it bold.

But you'll have a difficult time proving that 1 billion people emulate their leader with the religios zealousness your definition suggests. In fact, you might find most don't.

My definition of religion (specially catholicism) is that it is a political system. People in many parts of the world believe in it like most people believe in democracy, freedom of speech, etc here in America. These beliefs is what allows leaders to rule people.

[aether]

Not every Catholic uses those definitions. Nor blindly obeys everything the Pope says.

Besides, what makes you think that this Pope biting the dust would change anything? Who's going to be the next Pope and will he be any less conservative?

It's not like this was the first recorded instance in history of religion of a Pope passing away.

I said HOPEFULLY....I was trying to be positive here!

[mgb]

My definition of religion (specially catholicism) is that it is a political system. People in many parts of the world believe in it like most people believe in democracy, freedom of speech, etc here in America. These beliefs is what allows leaders to rule people.

To apply your analogy...every person that believes in democracy would go out and vote. And they don't.

[aether]

To apply your analogy...every person that believes in democracy would go out and vote. And they don't.

But the political system not only depends on votes....if it did then the system would collapse. There is money, donations from big corporations which allow certain candidates to have an edge in elections. Every free willing choice that we make affects the political outcome which in turn effects you as an individual, even limiting your free will. For example, that bar of soap that you bought from x company can be "your vote" because it just so happens that some of the profits from company x go to a certain political candidate running for office....it might even go to a certain church.

[PsiKik]

Innocent III is also intereting - excommunicating kings left and right. Too bad he had to condone the sack of Constantinople, the absolute lowpoint in christianity.
As I always go on and on, organized religion has zero to do with spirituality, its just a form o f mind control or government.

PS.

crule81. as youre a lawyer have you ever thought about the origins of law or legal systems?
I suspect they have their origin in religion eg 10 commandments.
Religion being the first means to keep the tribe ordered.

[mgb]

As I always go on and on, organized religion has zero to do with spirituality, its just a form o f mind control or government.

PS.

crule81. as youre a lawyer have you ever thought about the origins of law or legal systems?
I suspect they have their origin in religion eg 10 commandments.
Religion being the first means to keep the tribe ordered.

I believe hammurabi came out with his laws before moses. I could be wrong. They were much more codefied though.

[Kotuku]

I believe hammurabi came out with his laws before moses.

I believe you are correct.

[crule81]

crule81. as youre a lawyer have you ever thought about the origins of law or legal systems?
I suspect they have their origin in religion eg 10 commandments.
Religion being the first means to keep the tribe ordered.

I took a class in law school called the western legal tradition taught by a grumpy old-school professor who had been forced to retire from another school. He had an odd way of teaching and I didn't learn very much. It was quite a disappointment.

I do remember that most of the codified Roman laws were essentially discarded in the Middle Ages. At first, it was replaced by a kind of germanic tribal law that had trials by ordeal and other absurd practices. The first body of law to develop outside of this was the church cannon law. This was widely applicable because the church claimed jurisdiction over just about every crime. Obviously, these law were based on religion. One key aspect of the Reformation was that more legal authority was given to the princes. Soon thereafter, codified secular laws began to pop up more frequently. Currently, most of Europe retains the code system, which was spread by the French Revolution and Napoleon. The US and all other former British colonies, however, retain a system that still relies heavily on the common law, which has a stronger connection to the religious based laws of the late middle ages. I remember, however, that our professor said that legal systems are based on belief systems. So it's fairly difficult to completely separate the law from the underlying moral justifications and beliefs.

[crule81]

I must add that separate development of the church and the secular government in the west has made religion less of a factor in government and law in the long run. This is compared to the caesaropapism of the Eastern Orthodox where the head of state exerted a large degree of control over religion.

[Claverhouse]

I am sorry for the passing of his Holiness, but am assured that he has gone to the Catholic heaven. In the earlier years of his pontificate he helped end the communist tyranny, and in the latter years, despite his manifest weaknesses, always condemned capitalistic tyranny. Vale.


However, I may point out that anyone who wants the RC church to come out in favour of abortion, contraceptives and women priests merely wants a/ what is impossible, b/ the RC church to be nonexistent. I once wrote a manifesto mocking these people. ( and I'm not a christian, let alone a catholic. )

Lastly, deep in Queensland, at the other end of the world, Shai Gar nervously fondles his copy of 'Hadrian VII' by Frederick Rolfe, the Baron Corvo, and sleeps fully clothed, fitfully awaking every few hours in anticipation of a delegation come to beg him to accept his destiny.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Sackanaka]

John 19:30: "It is finished."

[aether]

I am sorry for the passing of his Holiness, but am assured that he has gone to the Catholic heaven. In the earlier years of his pontificate he helped end the communist tyranny, and in the latter years, despite his manifest weaknesses, always condemned capitalistic tyranny. Vale.


However, I may point out that anyone who wants the RC church to come out in favour of abortion, contraceptives and women priests merely wants a/ what is impossible, b/ the RC church to be nonexistent. I once wrote a manifesto mocking these people. ( and I'm not a christian, let alone a catholic. )

Lastly, deep in Queensland, at the other end of the world, Shai Gar nervously fondles his copy of 'Hadrian VII' by Frederick Rolfe, the Baron Corvo, and sleeps fully clothed, fitfully awaking every few hours in anticipation of a delegation come to beg him to accept his destiny.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

Nobody mentioned abortion...unless Frederick Rolfe did. Hadrian VII looks like interesting reading.

[Warrior413]

I felt a disturbance in the force...

[Claverhouse]

Nobody mentioned abortion...unless Frederick Rolfe did. Hadrian VII looks like interesting reading. Not on this thread ( give it time ), but the RC position on the subject has been critiqued elsewhere on the forum.

The book is good; but the author's life ( poverty-stricken, fanatic and resentful and somewhat tragic ) was just as interesting as his works.


There's also Thomas Mann's 'The Holy Sinner' for Shai to model his life on; but so far he has neglected to be born to brother and sister --- which even two of my cats managed --- not stayed for a long period on a barren island shrinking to the size of a tortoise; and has demonstrated much of the humility, but only a little of the overwhelming love that characterized he who was to become Gregory the Great.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

Popes have really had to change in this century, now that they have media to worry about...
I disagree entirely; intrusive media did change life a bit last century for all rulers and powers, but they got well used to it by 2001.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Thermo]

And what sins would that be, you Calvinist?
I have mentioned it many times.

1.) Spreading AIDS in africa, by denying contraception.
2.) Knowingly allowing pedophilia to be covered up world wide
3.) Blatent gay bashing.
etc

[songbird36]

I wonder if they could relocate the Holy See to Tannum Sands?

SG would have to take vows of celibacy - this could be the deal breaker.

[coffeezombie]

There is a democratic process. It's a representative democracy though.

I can't wait for George Bush to find out that he doesn't get to pick the new pope.

It's not representative because we don't get to pick who are the cardinals, either, the Pope does. It's a democracy within an oligarchy.

Personally, I can't get more choked up over someone dying who is the head of an anti-homosexual, misogynist organization. I think I'd cry more if some homeless person on the street died.

[songbird36]

Well Plato believed in the idea of a "Philosopher King", not rampant democracy. This doctrine was used to support the rise of absolutism in the 16th and 17th centuries.

[Claverhouse]

And quite right too.


[ Not that this applies to the elective principle of the Papacy. Besides, I have never forgiven the Catholic Church for Canossa. And I never will. ]



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ Time to start making bets on the new choice of name ? My bet's on John-Paul III. ]

[songbird36]

One of the things people didn't like the late Pope for promoting was the neo-conservative Opus Dei movement in Catholicism, and appointing its first cardinal.

With its practices of self-flagellation and fasting, Opus Dei was viewed as a reactionary and potentially dangerous cult, that potentially could have spawned political unrest.

[Claverhouse]

With its practices of self-flagellation and fasting, Opus Dei was viewed as a reactionary and potentially dangerous cult, that potentially could have spawned political unrest.
Dunno, the two disciplines mentioned don't have immediate mass appeal.

Thank God.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[C.J.Woolf]

I wonder if they could relocate the Holy See to Tannum Sands?

SG would have to take vows of celibacy - this could be the deal breaker.
Shai Gar can always be an Antipope and make his own rules.

[mgb]

Shai Gar can always be an Antipope and make his own rules.

"FUCK", can you imagine?

[Geoff]

I took a class in law school called the western legal tradition taught by a grumpy old-school professor who had been forced to retire from another school. He had an odd way of teaching and I didn't learn very much. It was quite a disappointment.

I do remember that most of the codified Roman laws were essentially discarded in the Middle Ages. At first, it was replaced by a kind of germanic tribal law that had trials by ordeal and other absurd practices. The first body of law to develop outside of this was the church cannon law. This was widely applicable because the church claimed jurisdiction over just about every crime. Obviously, these law were based on religion. One key aspect of the Reformation was that more legal authority was given to the princes. Soon thereafter, codified secular laws began to pop up more frequently. Currently, most of Europe retains the code system, which was spread by the French Revolution and Napoleon. The US and all other former British colonies, however, retain a system that still relies heavily on the common law, which has a stronger connection to the religious based laws of the late middle ages. I remember, however, that our professor said that legal systems are based on belief systems. So it's fairly difficult to completely separate the law from the underlying moral justifications and beliefs.

Common law really just equates to case law - occasionally codified. Perceived inequalities in, say, Anglo-Saxon England led to the forming of early courts - often just the local Lord hearing grievances (and deciding the
way of the one with the title, normally ;) ).
This body of decisions formed the common law, overlayed by a series of codifying legislation introduced at the time by the Monarch. I dont think you will find much, if any, relevance or reference to Christian Law in, therefore, the British colonies (including the US).
Very little inclusion of any earlier 'code' (as was said above) which was retained in Catholic countries with a strong link to the Roman state.
Equity Law then followed later as as overlay to Common Law as it was needed and therefore filled a gap in the mechanisms of Common Law. Common Law did not contain the concept of a split between legal and beneficial ownership and didnt cope therefore with people avoiding death estate problems by the use of trusts. So now we have the concept of Equity Law, overlaid on Common Law. We also have some 'code' law particularly in recent years with universal laws (in the EC by way of directives, for example) which are much more code based.
A bit off topic, ah well.
Back on topic.. I find it difficult to have much sympathy for the passing of a man who had so much power for good but used it so little (by not allowing contraception he has contributed to the deaths of millions of innocents from AIDS, as others have said).
-Geoff

[crule81]

I dont think you will find much, if any, relevance or reference to Christian Law in, therefore, the British colonies (including the US).
Very little inclusion of any earlier 'code' (as was said above) which was retained in Catholic countries with a strong link to the Roman state.


There aren't really any direct references to religion in the current common law. There are connections, such as the idea of state of mind for murder and the difference between crimes that require specific intent and crimes that only require general intent (Criminal law is my weakpoint). This thing it that the common law is just more directly related to the late middle ages, when there was a strong religious content in secular law. Codes of law became more prevalent after the Enlightenment, when religion became less of a factor in law.

[songbird36]

Well reading the paper today I saw that John Minto (leader of the anti Spingbok tour protests in NZ in the 1980's) labelled the late Pope JPII as a "Pope of the rich" due to his blocking of Vatican measures to help the poor in Third World countries.

Be that as it may, every Pope must no doubt choose his political causes carefully. JPII chose labour rights and relations as his personal cause and did much in this area.

Perhaps he couldn't be all things to all people.

[Vagabond]

Be that as it may, every Pope must no doubt choose his political causes carefully. Excuse me, but spiritual leaders should have nothing to do with politics. They should only try to "enlighten" people to whatever spiritual cause they see as valid, and that mostly through their actions and own lifestyle. When words contradict actions, words are worthless.

[Tlalocone]

For some reason I think I would feel better if he bites the dust today. :devil:You wretched devil's hell red face you!:rant:

HAD the Pope done anything bad to you. I do not think so.:mad:

You anticlerical bastard you!:shock: :huh:

(message to the moderators: Sorry guys but this member really got me off my 'peaceful(and I believe Christian) course(orbit)'.

[ohnoaninfp]

I have mentioned it many times.

1.) Spreading AIDS in africa, by denying contraception.
2.) Knowingly allowing pedophilia to be covered up world wide
3.) Blatent gay bashing.
etc

Just because the Catholic Church doesan't agree with the whole idea of gay marriage doesan't mean that they are gay bashing, and it's not the Pope's fault that AIDs is spreading in Africa. Can't they still get contraception? Besides the only contraception that works against AIDs or any other STD is using a condem, but there are still risks. I don't remember exactly what happened with the pedohilia incident, but it happens in other churches as well.http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=3544

[songbird36]

I see the Pope has been reborn in a Columbian comic strip "Popeman"; depicting a superhero battling against evil with an anti-devil cape and chastity pants.

[crule81]

BrainTypes has typed the former Pope as an INFP. This seems fairly clear, though it is interesting that an intovert can create such a following.

http://www.braintypes.com/news_in_brief.htm#pope

[KentOhio]

Most everything in this thread is pure Catholic-bashing and pope-bashing. No wonder Ohnoaninfp doesn't post here much anymore. Keep your anti-Catholic opinions to yourselves. No one's forcing you to be Catholic. Take it or leave it, don't try to change the whole religion. Do you talk to eachother about how stupid the Amish faith is? Discuss how idiotic it is for the families to not use electricity, and for the men not to shave? Are you all talking about how dumb it is for the Amish women to keep their heads covered? No. Criticizing the Amish is off-limits. But when it comes to Catholicism, you're all, "What idiots" and "How backwards." Just SHUT UP and get it through your thick skulls that a person can be perfectly intelligent and freely decide that things like birth control are wrong and abortions are murder.

[Serotonin]

Most everything in this thread is pure Catholic-bashing and pope-bashing. No wonder Ohnoaninfp doesn't post here much anymore. Keep your anti-Catholic opinions to yourselves. No one's forcing you to be Catholic. Take it or leave it, don't try to change the whole religion. Do you talk to eachother about how stupid the Amish faith is? Discuss how idiotic it is for the families to not use electricity, and for the men not to shave? Are you all talking about how dumb it is for the Amish women to keep their heads covered? No. Criticizing the Amish is off-limits. But when it comes to Catholicism, you're all, "What idiots" and "How backwards." Just SHUT UP and get it through your thick skulls that a person can be perfectly intelligent and freely decide that things like birth control are wrong and abortions are murder.


There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then,
There are those that follow Mohammed,
But I've never been one of them...

I'm a Roman Catholic, and have been since the day I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics,
Is they'll take you as soon as you're warm...

You don't have to be a six-footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on -
You're a Catholic the moment dad came...

because...

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for each sperm that can't be found

Every sperm is wanted, every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed in your neighbourhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is useful, every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine
And mine
And mine

Let the Pagan spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain,
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed in your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

[Serotonin]

That said I quite like Catholics and I admired John Paul II.

[KentOhio]

Well thank you, Serotonin, for the poem and the compliments. I guess it's not everybody here.

[ohnoaninfp]

I agree with Kent. There is some bashing and yes sometimes it pissesme off. My religion is my choice, I don't condem you for yours. Unless you're swift of course ;)

[Serotonin]

Well thank you, Serotonin, for the poem and the compliments. I guess it's not everybody here.
:dont: Uh, just in case you didn't get it.... the poem was in jest, and not mine (haven't you seen Monty Python's Meaning of Life?) and I disagree with you on "birth control is wrong" and my position on abortion you can see in the abortion thread.

What annoys me is when you argue with religious people, they don't argue from a humanistic point of view, they argue from a static biblical point of view (and no the two are not similar), or furthermore regurgitate what a pastor/Father has told them without subjecting it to their own critical logic. So I hope that isn't Christian bashing, it's just my thoughts. I like a lot of Christians as people, I just get annoyed with the way a lot of them think.

[Claverhouse]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS

[dubbeltop]

lol a german pope hehe hitlerjugend also but he who cares right?Anyway better a pope a day then bush still living in may. soo...thats my view