FBI SUBPOENA

[heeroyuy]

This morning I was awoken by a call from my boss, who had been contacted by the FBI. They have a search warrant for the server upon which INTP central is stored, along with all log files and vbulletin IP address records which we store.

They say that they will not interfere with INTP Central itself more than minimally during this time, so if we are down temporarily thanks to this for 30 minutes a bit later today, please excuse this.

I'm not sure exactly what they are persuing with this search, and when I went in they told me very little besides persenting me with the warrant and telling me they would be back at a certain time, at which they would wish access to the server and it's contents, or they would seize the server and take the contents itself.

They said I could post here when I asked, providing I did not specify their names nor many other details.

What the fuck....

[Kotuku]

:thelook:

[CapnEnnui]

They're onto me!

[crule81]

April Fools?

[Shai Gar]

heero, you got in late with the april fools.

[melancholeric]

heero, you got in late with the april fools.
That depends on the timezone, you silly goose. :smooch:

[heeroyuy]

Keep laughing, you think I'd fucking joke about something like this? You know how seriously I take systems administration. If you'd warrant, I can probabaly get a copy of the search want to post here as proof when they're back...

I talked to them via phone, they'd already left by time I got to work, if I can't present them with data at 3 pm today, they'll simply seize the entire server and give it back at their convenience.

Think whatever the fuck you want, I just thought I'd tell you guys what was up, and maybe warn anyone who has something to hide....

[Shai Gar]

well, i dont have anything to hide. i publicly state that i want the president of the united states dead, and had i the resources i would do it myself.

i would also join al queda had i the opportunity and he (obl) didnt mind me continuing my lifestyle.

i am also, one day soonish, going to release american biochemical agents throughout their cities and kill millions.

i also use the metric system and dont eat at mcdonalds

oh and if asis, asio, afp, fbi, cia, nsa, qsp, or anyone else comes here to arrest me i shall kill them, and then immediately become an active terrorist. all of my actions will be on behalf of the millions of people that america has fucked over since WW2.

[Vagabond]

well, i dont have anything to hide. i publicly state that i want the president of the united states dead, and had i the resources i would do it myself.

i would also join al queda had i the opportunity and he (obl) didnt mind me continuing my lifestyle.

i am also, one day soonish, going to release american biochemical agents throughout their cities and kill millions.

i also use the metric system and dont eat at mcdonalds

oh and if asis, asio, afp, fbi, cia, nsa, qsp, or anyone else comes here to arrest me i shall kill them, and then immediately become an active terrorist. all of my actions will be on behalf of the millions of people that america has fucked over since WW2. Okay, even if the FBI wasn't on out tail, they definitely will be after that.
You don't eat at McDonalds???:mad:

[Shai Gar]

AND PROUD OF IT.

[cjs55]

I don't eat at McDonalds either.

(and they'll get to me first since I'm already in the country.)

[Shai Gar]

plutocrats should never control the secret police, and national police agencies should never be underhanded.

oh there i go again, living in a dream world

[indie]

If you're telling the truth, heero, which I'm sure you are, I bet I know why. . .

Certain young teenagers from "Down Under" have posted *a lot* of anti-American setiments, including things that could be interpreted as threats against the US, terrorism threats, hatred toward the US capitalism, etc.

That does suck though.

(EDIT) OR maybe, the FBI read my "profile" (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=67851&postcount=37) about that silly teenager from "Down Under" that was posted a long while ago, and now wants to recruit me to "catch" others like him. ;)

(EDIT #2) THIS (http://intuitivecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352) might also have something to do with it, if NCentral is hosted on the same server, which I think heero said it was . . . BAD SG!

[jimkopelli]

Whoever said "those with nothing to hide have nothing to worry about" was lying through their teeth.

Everyone knows all the really subversive stuff is encoded in Of Souls somewhere... heh heh heh... oops.

[melancholeric]

Actually, I predicted all this months ago.
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=43622#post43622

That was when I was using this (http://intpcentral.com/uploads/palestinian.jpg) as avatar.

[Shadow]

Be sure to let the door hit them on their way out...

[Dman]

I thought INTPs were generally skeptical by nature

[heeroyuy]

No, NCentral isn't hosted on the same server, but Divis emailed me earlier today, he's gonna post something interesting here in a bit, that's quite relevant here...

[Nighthawk]

I can just see the Feds pouring over the "hidden meanings" behind Zedo and Booya being the same person.

[mgb]

This morning I was awoken by a call from my boss, who had been contacted by the FBI. They have a search warrant for the server upon which INTP central is stored, along with all log files and vbulletin IP address records which we store.

They say that they will not interfere with INTP Central itself more than minimally during this time, so if we are down temporarily thanks to this for 30 minutes a bit later today, please excuse this.

I'm not sure exactly what they are persuing with this search, and when I went in they told me very little besides persenting me with the warrant and telling me they would be back at a certain time, at which they would wish access to the server and it's contents, or they would seize the server and take the contents itself.

They said I could post here when I asked, providing I did not specify their names nor many other details.

What the fuck....


Heeroyuy, I have to ask. How come you haven't armed and barricaded yourself with the servers to protect their integrity against government intervention?

[Shadow]

I thought INTPs were generally skeptical by nature

Well, at first when I read this, I thought that heero's boss was playing an April Fools joke on him and not heero playing one on us. So yes, I am skeptical. However, some INTP's see a lot of injustice connected with authority and may tend to believe such as privacy concerns seem to go along with this.

[Division56]

http://intuitivecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450

[Ascending]

Still skeptical.


I just thought I'd tell you guys what was up, and maybe warn anyone who has something to hide....Would that not be somewhere along abiding a criminal or obstruction of justice?

If it IS true...

I don't even speed. :P

And I would like to take this moment to hand out a big fat "told you so" to those who where not for the privatization of the forums. ;)

[heeroyuy]

It's not obstruction of justice as I asked them (I spoke via phone this morning, when I got to work they had left) if I could reveal that we had been searched on forums, and they said it was fine, as they weren't going to tell me _what_ they were searching for. Something like that. *shrugs* believe me, don't, whatever.

[Shadow]

Would that not be somewhere along abiding a criminal or obstruction of justice?


Or obstruction of injustice?

[Shadow]

as they weren't going to tell me _what_ they were searching for.

Now or ever?

[heeroyuy]

I don't know, the search warrant should have it I would think, but it'll probably just specify logs...

[Ascending]

In that case I advance the last line of my last post. Although I'm tempted I'm sure the FBI would not appreciate any 1984 references at this point.

[SensEye]

Keep laughing, you think I'd fucking joke about something like this? You know how seriously I take systems administration. If you'd warrant, I can probabaly get a copy of the search want to post here as proof when they're back...Damn straight you take your systems admin seriously! It's not like your some teenager piggybacking a forum catering to a bunch of nutbars on your employer's servers or anything like that.8O

[songbird36]

Did they administer a caution when they served it on your boss?

If not, you may be able to sue their butts off..

[Ascending]

FBI is in trouble now, we have Songbird's legal advice on our side. O'l lockjaw. :ph34r:

Days in the year: 365

Days that are April fools: 1

Chances FBI would subpoena server on April Fools: You do the math.

[songbird36]

Doesn't hurt to play the game though does it?

hehehe

[Ascending]

:whistle: When it comes to the FBI...:whistle:

I'll be avoiding any doubleungoodspeak. ;)

[jittus rye]

Anything over 0.001% chance seems pretty damn likely to me.

[songbird36]

Actually a subpoena's different from a search warrant. A subpoena requires the appearance of someone as a witness in court or tribunal proceedings.

[Phenylethylene]

Days in the year: 365

Days that are April fools: 1

Chances FBI would subpoena server on April Fools: You do the math.

I would tend to agree with you and am highly skeptical myself, but maybe that's the genius of it. Maybe they figured that they don't care what Heero gives away because no one would possibly believe him today. Those clever bastards.

[Ascending]

I've already considered that possiblity. It "does not compute" :laser:
If they were worried about their target being warned, the fact that their target might be the only one to recognize that it is not an April fools joke would not help.

[Shai Gar]

anyone want to take bets on whether or not this is an april fools joke on heero?

unless heero has actually met them

[heeroyuy]

Excuse me, it is a search warrant, not a subpoena heh, sorry, I'm not a lawyer :).

I do have a copy of the search warrant.

http://travis.travisbsd.org/pfiles/warrant.gif

That's the copy they are required to give me by law (as it states there...)

Blah...

And it's done. They have the logs, they said if they needed anything else they'd contact me.

[Helios]

the millions of people that america has fucked over since WW2.


Like the aborigines who's stolen land you were raised on, and are squatting at this very moment?

Or maybe the hordes of refugees Oz has been shitting on for year (like since the 90s)

What about the unsustainable use of the word "fuck"? :P



Get real man, we (Westerners) are all the same, Oz is the States on a smaller scale.

[Zero Angel]

Whoa, talk about elaborate. Talk about getting burnsd.

[Shai Gar]

indians, mexican immigrants and other refugees.

i didnt mention them because i refer to your nations foreign affairs.

[Zero Angel]

I think the goatse plot did it.

[Ascending]

Now I'm curious. The plots thickened enough times around here for us to make bricks.

There is a Steven D. Burns residing as a judge in Nebraska.

If this is a joke, thumbs up for the legal documentation. :)

[Helios]

indians, mexican immigrants and other refugees.

i didnt mention them because i refer to your nations foreign affairs.



Fair enough, it would be clearer if it was slightly less xenophobic.


Regarding Mexicans, I love 'em! Damn they can cook! (and I haven't mowed a lawn in years, that is another plus!)

[Zero Angel]

Fair enough, it would be clearer if it was slightly less xenophobic.


Regarding Mexicans, I love 'em! Damn they can cook! (and I haven't mowed a lawn in years, that is another plus!)

You know it! I have like... 5 of them ... chained to my stove, man.

(shit, i prolly shouldnt've said that)

[Shai Gar]

http://www.aegis.com/ni/law/fedapp/8D/1991/1991C081507.html

apparently 14 years ago Steve Burns was a legal counseller

[7] Counsel who presented argument on behalf of the Appellant was Steven D. Burns of Lincoln, Nebraska.

within 14 years it is concievable that he is able to become a judge.

and another search came up with this:

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/10/23/local/doc41795cd21deb5879015801.txt
Lancaster County District Judge Steven D. Burns is considering whether to find a Lincoln man guilty of a felony or misdemeanor in the 2002 motor vehicle death of a Kearney woman.

and in this nebraskan government page his name comes up several times
http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/cnty/clerk/agenda/1997/ag9705a.htm

and here is the most damning evidence of all.
http://court.nol.org/addresses/dist_addr.htm
Lancaster
Steven D. Burns
575 S 10th St.
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-441-7605 (ph)
402-441-6190 (fax)


so my guess is that it is not a hoax, because i doubt heero is willing to do the jail time for forging a judges signature, fraud, and impersonating an officer of the court.

[Shai Gar]

oh well i dont care, i wont even bother to hide my contempt for the american administration, previous administrations, or my desire to kill a lot of americans to make a point.

plus i am an australian citizen, america might have thrown away all its rights with the patriot act but they would have to come through the australian AFP or ASIO and our country still gives us citizens rights

[Shadow]

<sarcasm>
I really like how they give the reasoning for the search on the "customer" copy of the search warrant.
</sarcasm>

Edited for clarity

[Shai Gar]

what reasoning?

[Shadow]

I was being sarcastic.

[Helios]

or my desire to kill a lot of americans to make a point.



I know and respect that, 'cause I realize that your an FJ

[Nighthawk]

or my desire to kill a lot of americans to make a point.

Nice ... thanks

[Shai Gar]

you're welcome.

[Phenylethylene]

I'm close enough to that address that I could probably sneeze on the servers from here.

[Ascending]

We all know why they are here. I say we jump Shai Gar and hand him over to prevent further trouble.

Looking for Australia based volunteers.

[heeroyuy]

I'm close enough to that address that I could probably sneeze on the servers from here.

Really? Where do you live in Lincoln, out of curiosity. I live up by the new highschool (Northstar).

[Nighthawk]

my desire to kill a lot of americans to make a point.
Ever kill anybody Shai Gar? I mean for real ... not in some game. Its not a good feeling. Hope you never have to experience it. I cannot think of any nation on this planet whose population I want to kill.

[Shai Gar]

nope, never killed anyone. like anyone would even admit to that online after the FBI showed a clear interest in this forum.

but i was a bowhunter NH, i know how it feels to kill animals, it hurts a LOT. that is why i quit. but killing on a large scale? i have heard that it doesnt hurt as much. or else bombadeers couldnt do it all the time, or the people who press the button on the launch for missiles that attacked bagdhad.

[PsiKik]

i also use the metric system and dont eat at mcdonalds
http://forums.intpcentral.com/images/smilies/rofl1.gif

[Nighthawk]

I have killed as a soldier. Worst feeling in the world. I despise those who kill from a distance with the push of a button. When you do finally get around to it, make sure you have the balls to look the person you are killing in the face.

[Shai Gar]

too many faces. my list is too long.
i also dispise those who kill at the press of a button, that is the reason i will kill them that way

[Nighthawk]

Just trying to spare you some agony.

[Ascending]

What is that saying, those who argue with fools...

[Shai Gar]

or that one, it doesnt matter who wins an internet argument, you both lose.

anyway, by law doesnt a search warrant need to have a reason?
and we have the judges home address and phone number, can we not ask the judge? i would but the phone bill would kill me

[ohnoaninfp]

I still don't see why we are being searched. They should have to give a reason shouldn't they?

[Shai Gar]

that is what i said, we have the judges phone number, someone ring him up and ask him.

[heeroyuy]

Alright, the jig is up, this is a joke :)

And shaigar-no, it's not illegal, as long as I don't try to act on the warrant, or try to hurt someone else via it. If I tried, for instance, to get you to give me money, or avoid debt with something like this, that is fraud, this is a prank :)

In any event, this was thought up by myself, and approved by admins/mods last night. We thought it would be quite funny and righteous. We considered closing it down for a half a day to make a point, but decided against it :)

The warrant I picked up online, editted it and whited out the appropriate sections, replaced, originally from denver.

I didn't fake a magistrate's signature, it's typed, so it's not a signature :P

In any event, thank you all for being good sports, and I'd be curious to know how many of you _really_ thought it was real, and how many had ideas but still believed it was real.

Also, a few points:
1) I don't keep logs past a week for a reason, this can't ever happen.

2) I wouldn't lie to you guys like this 'cept on April 1 :)

3) For those of you who appologized and thanked me for my work-thank you. I hope that you do not hold the fact of this prank against me, it was only in a sense of INTP humor.

[Shai Gar]

i stated my belief from the outset, from the begining i believed it to be an april fools joke. but when i researched the search warrant it looked real enough. you are quite lucky heero, i was getting ready to give the judge a phone call.

but it wasnt the first time a national police force have looked into my shit so i was almost turned to believe it. almost had me.

[Ascending]

One point of suspision was when I considered that a good savvy admin like you actualy stored logs. Yes the document was a good bit.

I might have been annoyed right now if I had been hiding illegal activites as your joke would have had me in a panic. :whistle:

[heeroyuy]

Yea, if it wasn't for that move ShaiGar, it would've lasted another 3 hours :)

[Shai Gar]

yep, i do tend to put research in when there is the chance i could be indicted

[mgb]

Yea, if it wasn't for that move ShaiGar, it would've lasted another 3 hours :)

At least now we can sleep knowing the republic is safe.

[Star]

I knew it was a joke from the start. The FBI is nowhere near that polite with this kind of thing. They kick the door down, seize the computer, and keep it for weeks.

Good joke, though.. at least as funny as Google gulp and Cisco merges with Nabisco. :D

[Shai Gar]

and i am going to delete the only thing i have done that is illegal that can be traced through here.

[Ascending]

I still say we should privatize. Lack of content was certainly not a reason to doubt this as an prank.

Anti american over there,
some Secret society yonder,
New world order over there,
and Assassination plots sprinkled in for good measure.

[Zero Angel]

You did have me thinking 'maybe this guy is telling the truth' at times before snapping back into my 'bah, its April Fools day' train of thought. Brilliant prank though. Its so well pulled off that you would've had me any other day, no doubt.

[Warrior413]

In any event, thank you all for being good sports, and I'd be curious to know how many of you _really_ thought it was real, and how many had ideas but still believed it was real.
The fact that it was April Fool's and you had a search warrant on that day made me very suspicious, also since you called it a subpoena. The warrant looked pretty believable... but still possible to have been edited. Also, a violation of privacy is one of the greatest fears for INTPs, so good April Fool's material there. So, though I was somewhat unsure I really didn't believe it...

But all the same, I wasn't going to post anything. :ph34r:

[Shai Gar]

good point, we do talk a lot of stuff that could get us arrested (if we were yanks) for conspiracy

[Ascending]

Not that I participate, but some are yanks. *cough*

[Shai Gar]

indeed

[indie]

Nice "jester." I didn't believe it for one second. I'm not a "fool."

[Shai Gar]

you have obviously never had the AFP try to use fear tactics on you

[ohnoaninfp]

Alright, the jig is up, this is a joke :)

And shaigar-no, it's not illegal, as long as I don't try to act on the warrant, or try to hurt someone else via it. If I tried, for instance, to get you to give me money, or avoid debt with something like this, that is fraud, this is a prank :)

In any event, this was thought up by myself, and approved by admins/mods last night. We thought it would be quite funny and righteous. We considered closing it down for a half a day to make a point, but decided against it :)

The warrant I picked up online, editted it and whited out the appropriate sections, replaced, originally from denver.

I didn't fake a magistrate's signature, it's typed, so it's not a signature :P

In any event, thank you all for being good sports, and I'd be curious to know how many of you _really_ thought it was real, and how many had ideas but still believed it was real.

Also, a few points:
1) I don't keep logs past a week for a reason, this can't ever happen.

2) I wouldn't lie to you guys like this 'cept on April 1 :)

3) For those of you who appologized and thanked me for my work-thank you. I hope that you do not hold the fact of this prank against me, it was only in a sense of INTP humor.

Damn, just when I thought something interesting is going to happen! ;P

Heero :laser: me.
Just kidding I don't hate you. I figured it was a joke, because there wasn't a valid reason for them searching us.

[Sackanaka]

We need an icon that symbolizes *points and laughs at thread as a whole*.

[Helios]

or that one, it doesnt matter who wins an internet argument, you both lose.



No, my friend, you missed the key point about the "fool". I have had some great and educational exchanges with some very insightful folks on this forum. It is only for the value of their logic and knowledge that I return to this cluster-fuck of an internet site.

[Shai Gar]

clusterfuck, i like that term.

[heeroyuy]

:) But yes. I don't blame those who fell for it, I don't tend to play jokes at all...but I thought _just once_ I wanted to be able to. Now I'll go back to being my serious admin self. Please excuse me. *goes to dress back up in admin suit*

[songbird36]

and i am going to delete the only thing i have done that is illegal that can be traced through here.

Hmm now let me see - couldn't your advice on how to organise a hit on someone be construed as illegal?

Mind you, that was posted in your younger and more frivolous days!

[Stem]

I was not at all convinced after I saw the warrant. We did need a drill though. Someone could use the mass email feature to send a special code that only we would know when the man is knocking. This would give us time to scrub our hard drives and go into invisible mode and delete anything illegal posted here.

Yes, for a brief second I was paranoid.

[Shai Gar]

no i was talking about where i said that i HAD actually done something and gave evidence. that is now deleted.

birdsnest, that isnt paranoid, that is fact. and it is more than remotely possible.

talking of drills though, maybe we should write one

[heeroyuy]

Unfortunately for you, administrators and moderators can view deleted posts, which means it's still in the database my feathered friend.

[heeroyuy]

Fortunately for you, I don't keep log files (as stated) so there really isn't much of a way to track you even if anyone gave a damn :)

(Yes, I am paranoid, but many years have taught me to be. I have never had FBI want logs, but I have had a police agency request them for something unrelated to what I was doing (This was TravisBSD, not INTP Central, so calm down :)). My official policy for everything continues to be that I refuse to surrender anything to anyone without a court order, same with removing content. Fuck the authorities, information wants to be free.)

[crule81]

I am such a tool. I always fall for these kind of things, especially if I cannot see the prankster in person. At first I did think it was an April Fool's joke, but heero seemed serious. I even PMed him apologizing for questioning him. I saw some silly April Fools things on other sites, but bringing out the search warrant was great. This was a good one because, as was mentioned, we INTPs dislike authorities and jealously guard our privacy.

[songbird36]

The techno boffins can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I doubt that deleting stuff from a hard drive would completely delete it from your computer.

It's my understanding that you need special scrubbing software. I once drafted an IT confidentiality agreement for a Govt department here, and deletion of confidential data came up as an issue. I was told that pressing the "delete" button doesn't completely get rid of it.

[heeroyuy]

You have to scrub it, hence why the FBI would confiscate equipment to recover deleted files. There are ways to scrub things, and I do.

Yea, I actually felt slightly bad after you appologized crule because it was like "wow, he's appologizing to me for fooling him..." but at the same time it was somewhat humorous. Once again-I thank everyone for being a good sport about it, heh.

[Shai Gar]

good sport indeed, i would have dobbed you into the judge when i called.

and what do we need to recover files that are only deleted, and what do we need to scrub them

[heeroyuy]

For scrubbing you need two electromagnets and a little juice.

For reading deleted files, you need a needle, and maybe if you make whirring sounds loud enough and pretend you're a hard disk you'll start spitting out your precious lost data :)

(All kidding aside, a file scrubber will do, just google, and it's forensics to recover deleted data...if there haven't been anymore write passes (depending on filesystem) it might not be hard, but chances are it will be. Unless you're a Unix guy and using Union Filesystem, or a WORM system :) )

Oh-My comments weren't meant for you, I was referring to everyone else. I know very well you wouldn't have hesitated to try to have me arrested.

[Shai Gar]

:D yes but only in a good way :D

and i would have posted bail.. if they didnt set the bail at more than 10 dollars AUD

[heeroyuy]

Always a good thing to know, I suppose. In the case I had been arrested, I guess I would've hoped for the sudden economic collapse of the country so that the dollar would be worth nothing suddenly in comparison to the AUD (after they'd set my bail, of course).

[Shai Gar]

dont worry, you have bush as a president, the total sudden economic collapse of your country is not that far away

[Serotonin]

Like the aborigines who's stolen land you were raised on, and are squatting at this very moment?

Or maybe the hordes of refugees Oz has been shitting on for year (like since the 90s)

What about the unsustainable use of the word "fuck"? :P



Get real man, we (Westerners) are all the same, Oz is the States on a smaller scale.

To the risk of really making Shai a terrorist, I will agree.

Glad to see people outside of Australia know about the shit that goes on here :)

Oh and you had me there Heero, but I wasn't online until after the penny dropped....

[Shai Gar]

someone should pay more attention, ditch this thing you call a job

[Claverhouse]

To be totally truthful, the only way to erase the information on a drive is to take the drive apart and destroy each platter physically.

Anything else, such as magnetism, file-shredding, immersing in swamp-water or using Windows will probably work, but labs can still find what they want if they spend enough time.

Besides which you've still got the problem that I download the entire website every 12 hours, so there's always a copy somewhere.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[tragula]

It was a great gag!

I loved watching people squirm :-)

I was reading it yesterday as it happened, and I would say I was about 50% taken in by it. INTP paranoia has a way of canceling out INTP skepticism!

Now, why is it I am worried about the Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome...

Besides, if people type FBI enough times in posts they are bound to notice this site sooner or later. Although I remember reading that the FBI and CIA computer systems weren't even wired for the internet until very recently...

[Star]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON


ECHELON is the largest electronic spy network in history, run by the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, capturing telephone calls, faxes and e-mails around the world. ECHELON is estimated to intercept up to 3 billion communications every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28FBI%29


Carnivore is a name given to a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is analogous to wire tapping except in this case, it is email that is being tapped instead of telephone conversations. It is a form of policeware.

Read and freak.

[Architectonic]

Like the aborigines who's stolen land you were raised on, and are squatting at this very moment?

What are aborigines?

Oh, you mean Indigenous Australians. You nearly confused me there with your unconventional dialect.


We all know why they are here. I say we jump Shai Gar and hand him over to prevent further trouble.

Looking for Australia based volunteers.

I can drive up there. It'll take me a few days though.

[Architectonic]

Just kidding I don't hate you. I figured it was a joke, because there wasn't a valid reason for them searching us.

Since when does the FBI require a valid reason? :ph34r:

[Killsteel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28FBI%29



Read and freak.

I seriously hope they don't intercept MSN conversations.

And if they do, they don't pass them on to the British authorities...

:ph34r:

Edit:


Various sources claim that these states have positioned electronic-intercept stations and deep-space satellites to capture most radio, satellite, microwave, cellular and fibre-optic communications traffic.


ECHELON is the largest electronic spy network in history, run by the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand

Shit.

[Shai Gar]

Anything else, such as magnetism, file-shredding, immersing in swamp-water or using Windows will probably work, wait.. they AREN'T the same thing?

[Shai Gar]

in australia it is run out of the South Australian Woomera Spce complexe

[Claverhouse]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS