Enneagram who?

[Melissa13182]

I had never heard of an enneagram until a few hours ago. I'm still struggling to understand why it's relevant and how it defines something about me. Can someone more frankly explain what this junk means, please? What does the "w" mean, and what are those other codes people put behind their names?:stupid:

Sincerely,
Confused girl with too much time on her hands....



eclecticenergies

Enneagram Test Results

You are most likely a type 2.

Taking wings into account, you seem to be a 2w3.
No personality test is completely accurate. Although several measures were taken to make this test as accurate as possible, there's always a chance that you are not typed correctly by it. Therefore, when deciding which Enneagram type and wing you are, you might also want to consider the types with the highest test scores on the lists below.

(Note that your lowest scores may be omitted.)
Type 2 - 13
Type 6 - 12
Type 4 - 9.7
Type 3 - 9.7
Type 9 - 9.3
Type 1 - 8.3
Type 5 - 7.7

Wing 2w3 - 17.9
Wing 2w1 - 17.2
Wing 3w2 - 16.2
Wing 6w5 - 15.9
Wing 6w7 - 14.9
Wing 1w2 - 14.8
Wing 4w3 - 14.6
Wing 3w4 - 14.6
Wing 5w6 - 13.7
Wing 4w5 - 13.6
Wing 9w1 - 13.5
Wing 1w9 - 13
Wing 5w4 - 12.6
Wing 9w8 - 9.8


Enneagram Test with Instinctual Variant results

You are most likely a type 6 (the Loyalist) with 7 wing
Social variant

Type 6 SO
Type 9 SO
Type 2 SO
Type 3 SO
Type 7 SO
Type 4 SX
Type 5 SO
Type 8 SO
Type 1 SP


Explanations:
• Introduction to the Enneagram
• Type descriptions
• Wings
• Variants:
SP = Self-preservation instinct
SX = Sexual instinct
SO = Social instinct The list shows how likely it is that you are each enneagram type.
Most people will be the type at the top of the list, however, your actual personality type might be somewhat lower in it (usually it's in the top 3). Your instinctual variant is most likely the one indicated next to your actual type.

[Ikcelaks]

I don't know much about Enneagram personality tests, but the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality) entry should answer your basic questions.

Incidentally, 2w3 seems like a very peculiar result for an INTP. I'm interested if either one or both are off.

[Melissa13182]

INTP was true 2 years ago with the MBTI test and I hadn't thought of it for a couple of years and took an online test (not with the MBTI website though) and the results were the same, only stronger this time around.

What do the w's with other numbers mean? and then there's so/sx/sp and I just don't understand where that lies when reflecting numbers. So confused.

.... and of the descriptions in wikipedia, it sounds about right. I always knew something was wrong with me...:crazy:

[edge walker]

Ennea type 2 is the domain of FJ types -- very nearly exclusively.

[Resonance]

From my (primitive) understanding, MBTI covers predispositions (ie. what comes naturally to you) whereas the enneagram covers behavioural priorities (what you consider important when you decide what to do).

Almost all INTP's have a strong 5 presence, but life experiences may lead to a slightly higher preference for other numbers (9 in my case.)

Not sure how the SO/SX/SP thing works, but it seems to be independent, at least for understanding's sake, of the numbers.

[Vagabond]

From my (primitive) understanding, MBTI covers predispositions (ie. what comes naturally to you) whereas the enneagram covers behavioural priorities (what you consider important when you decide what to do).
The enneagram deals with core fears/desires, not so much with behavioural patterns - I mean sure there is an indication of behaviours, but the basis of the system is what goes on in the depths of one's psyche.

Almost all INTP's have a strong 5 presence, but life experiences may lead to a slightly higher preference for other numbers (9 in my case.)As per the above, your ennea type is inborn. INTPs and INTJs dominate type 5, but INTPs have a strong presence in type 9, and a little less so in type 6.

Not sure how the SO/SX/SP thing works, but it seems to be independent, at least for understanding's sake, of the numbers.Yeah, independent but co-relating. Check this (http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=27&MMN_position=55:55) out.

[edge walker]

From my (primitive) understanding, MBTI covers predispositions (ie. what comes naturally to you) whereas the enneagram covers behavioural priorities (what you consider important when you decide what to do).
Roughly, yes. MBTI/Jung deals basically in cognitive configuration, ie. how your perception and decision processes operate. The Enneagram deals in central desires and fears, and the resulting fixations. (Then there's also a secondary typology dealing with instinctual variants in there.) There are strong correlations between the systems in some areas (eg. 5s are never Fs; 7s are always Es), and not so much in others (eg. 6s can be many very different MBTI types, eg. both ENFPs and ISTJs).

[Resonance]

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the corrections! (and also the link.)

In a word, MBTI=cognition, enneagram=instincts?

[Melissa13182]

So, does all this mean that it's POSSIBLE both tests are correct, or that something is bogus?

[Vagabond]

So, does all this mean that it's POSSIBLE both tests are correct, or that something is bogus?
I'd say it's fairly impossible that both tests are correct.

[edge walker]

So, does all this mean that it's POSSIBLE both tests are correct, or that something is bogus?
To borrow someone else's turn of phrase, "a 2w3 INTP" is kinda like "a male women's tennis player".

[Melissa13182]

I think I hate tests now.:banghead:

[Vagabond]

I think I hate tests now.:banghead:
Never rely on tests. Read the profiles and see which one fits; tests are easy to manipulate even subconsciously, sometimes depend on your mood, or your "ideal" self, or they are just plain crappy in their making. Read the descriptions with an entirely open mind and be as brutally honest with yourself as possible, that's the only way, in my opinion.

[Kirai]

Well, you could read the 5/9 Enneagram profiles or the INFJ one to see which one fits better.

INFJs often come out as something else in the test, for some reason.

[Vagabond]

Well, you could read the 5/9 Enneagram profiles or the INFJ one to see which one fits better.

INFJs often come out as something else in the test, for some reason.
In Melissa's case, I'd start from scratch. Those results are so highly incompatible, that something went very wrong in the evaluation process.

[Melissa13182]

The attachment is my results from my original MBTI test from over a year ago. I took a non-official test recently in the website below. As for Enneagram, when I read the basic things on wikipedia I really do lean towards type 2.

w w w . mypersonality . info / melissa13182 /
[ I have to space it out because I haven't made 15 posts yet ]

I'm really thinking mbti is about how I process decision making, and enneagram is how I feel with less regard to my decision making. I may be a very emotional person, but I don't make decisions based on emotions without thinking it out thoroughly.

[Vagabond]

I'd suggest reading through the MBTI profiles as well - especially if you relate to type 2 so much.

$0.02

[rhinosaur]

The "w" stands for "wing." It is a way of making more detailed characterizations in the Enneagram personality system. You start out as your basic type, which in your case is 2, and take on some characteristics of your wing. The wing can only be one number different. For example, a type 5 could have w4 or w6. A type 5w4 would primarily have the characteristics of type 5, but with some elements of type 4 mixed in.

The variants -- social (so), sexual (sx), and self-preservation (sp) -- are a way of categorizing your primary drives. In other words, what motivates you.

Your enneagram is also linked to your maturity level and mental health, and will change over time.

IMO enneagram has more to do with how you perceive the world, while MBTI has more to do with how you perceive yourself.

[Kirai]

I'm really thinking mbti is about how I process decision making, and enneagram is how I feel with less regard to my decision making. I may be a very emotional person, but I don't make decisions based on emotions without thinking it out thoroughly.

Read the INFJ profile and see how it fits you, or even INFP. A 'very emotional person' is not an INTP.

[Melissa13182]

Thank you so much Rhinosaur!