Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak

[aphemix]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military wants to establish regional teams of military personnel to assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials.

The proposal is awaiting final approval from Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The officials would not be identified because the proposal from U.S. Northern Command's Gen. Victor Renuart has not been approved by the secretary.

The plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. There is no final decision on how the military effort would be manned, but one source said it would likely include personnel from all branches of the military.

It has yet to be determined how many troops would be needed and whether they would come from the active duty or the National Guard and Reserve forces.

Civilian authorities would lead any relief efforts in the event of a major outbreak, the official said. The military, as they would for a natural disaster or other significant emergency situation, could provide support and fulfill any tasks that civilian authorities could not, such as air transport or testing of large numbers of viral samples from infected patients.

As a first step, Gates is being asked to sign a so-called "execution order" that would authorize the military to begin to conduct the detailed planning to execute the proposed plan.

Orders to deploy actual forces would be reviewed later, depending on how much of a health threat the flu poses this fall, the officials said.source. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/28/military.swine.flu/)

anybody still have their head in the sand here?

[Trentham]

source. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/28/military.swine.flu/)

anybody still have their head in the sand here?

*looks around*

Nope, don't see any SFJs here.

[nonperson]

Posse Comitatus??????????????????????

[Trentham]

Posse Comitatus??????????????????????

They won't do anything drastic...yet.

It'll take another 9/11ish thing for that.

[Usehername]

Apparently they're pissed off at the World Health Organization for over-reacting to SARS, the Bird Flu and something else (i.e. they already failed at accurately predicting huge pandemics 3 different times); how that means people won't listen when something that's genuinely as bad as they predict shows up.

IDK how this is going to play out. It's not unreasonable in my mind that with all the international traveling that eventually something is going to sweep through the world and inflict some serious damage to the point that many people die because of the sheer number of vaccines that would be necessary. OTOH, is this it? Who knows.

I'll be washing my hands more and not touching people or things I don't need to touch, but I'm not particularly worried. I do feel the need to not go physically near a pregnant woman due soon that I know, though, just in case. I have a friend who was confirmed H1N1, and my cousin probably had it but they didn't get her tested because it would result in banning her parents (MDs) from the hospital for two weeks. (Both were mild cases.)

[aphemix]

It'll take another 9/11ish thing for that.you don't say!

[Trentham]

you don't say!

Scare tactics is so scary its SCAREY!!!!!

[nonperson]

They have been waiting since Charlie Heston died for an opportunity to take over.

[nonperson]

you don't say! ?

Better grammar please as this is the death of democracy we are talking about. :grin:

[aphemix]

Better grammar please as this is the death of democracy we are talking about. :grin:( you don't say? ) !

[Technical]

When I'm worried, worry. *f'n just yawns*

[bass_n_treble]

The sky is falling. :dont:

Regular flu is far deadlier.

Why couldn't they do something about the AIDS pandemic in Africa? Oh wait, that's right. The Vatican won't allow condoms.

[Chunes]

So H1N1 is a manufactured "crisis" or a seized-upon opportunity designed to maneuver the troops to places where they can contain the riots when the NWO is unleashed? Is this what I am to infer?

[mancroft]

Posse Comitatus??????????????????????


This Act was almost thoroughly repealed by Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony. This act allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus_(common_law)

[aphemix]

So H1N1 is a manufactured "crisis" or a seized-upon opportunity designed to maneuver the troops to places where they can contain the riots when the NWO is unleashed? Is this what I am to infer?hard to say. Personally, I think a lot of the information we're being made privy to is purposeful. We're supposed to know something sketchy is happening, supposed to know shit is corrupt. It's too obvious. It's all over the internet, it's leaked in just the right ways, et cetera. Whether this is just to incite a degree of revolution to further justify efforts of containment and social reform, or for some even more insidious and ridiculous purpose, like setting up a deliberately faulty system so its alternative can be more unilaterally accepted later, I have no fuckin' idea. I don't intend to herd anybody towards any one school of thought in particular, just to encourage paying the fuck attention. Something is definitely fishy and ignoring it is getting more silly by the day.

[Neville]

ITT: INTP paranoia.

[pioneer_167]

I don't intend to herd anybody towards any one school of thought in particular, just to encourage paying the fuck attention. Something is definitely fishy and ignoring it is getting more silly by the day.

Agreed, I definitely do get that impression rather frequently.

[mancroft]

Army National Guard Advertises for “Internment Specialists”


It looks like the Army National Guard is gearing up to staff camps and “execute the proposed plan” of forcibly vaccinating the public and rounding up and hauling off those who refuse to be injected with a soft kill eugenics weapon as dangerous enemies of the state who need to be interned in forced labor and re-education camps.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/army-national-guard-advertises-for-%E2%80%9Cinternment-specialists%E2%80%9D.html

[nonperson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus_(common_law)

Yes I know. I wasn't taking the thread that seriously. Plus, I am sorry to say, I was hoping to trip up a Yank or two on a lack of constitutional knowledge. :devil:

Anybody want to do a group reading of the Patriot Act on Skype?

[Oso Mocoso]

Posse Comitatus?

Oh please. If the military is talking about using their resources to assist civilian authorities with air transport and testing disease samples in military labs, it's hardly a question of posse comitatus. Even if the national guard is dispatched under civilian authorities to assist with transporting supplies or whatnot, it wouldn't be an issue. If they start helping out with law enforcement or crowd control, that would be more of a problem.

[nonperson]

I was hoping to trip up a Yank or two on a lack of constitutional knowledge. :devil:



Oh please. If the military is talking about using their resources to assist civilian authorities with air transport and testing disease samples in military labs, it's hardly a question of posse comitatus. Even if the national guard is dispatched under civilian authorities to assist with transporting supplies or whatnot, it wouldn't be an issue. If they start helping out with law enforcement or crowd control, that would be more of a problem.

Thanks. ;)

[Oso Mocoso]

Thanks. ;)

You're welcome, and just so you know the posse comitatus act has absolutely nothing to do with the constitution. It wasn't even a law until after the civil war.

[nonperson]

You're welcome, and just so you know the posse comitatus act has absolutely nothing to do with the constitution. It wasn't even a law until after the civil war.

I am suspicious now. For an American you seem to know an awful lot about American law. :grin:

[Oso Mocoso]

I am suspicious now. For an American you seem to know an awful lot about American law. :grin:

For a long time I lived overseas, and I used to attend school in Central America.

[nonperson]

For a long time I lived overseas, and I used to attend school in Central America.

That explains it then. Didn't they make you take de-education classes when you settle back in the US? :ph34r:

[Jonah Davids]

Prisonplanet and rense.com perpetuating paranoid schizophrenic delusions about evil doctors in evil white lab coats coming to forcibly inject people with evil things. Conspiracy! World Homicide Organization! Help help the sky is falling! Run for the hills, stock up on guns, grab the women and the children!

[nonperson]

grab the women

Don't panic! I have this covered........:banana:

[aphemix]

Prisonplanet and rense.com perpetuating paranoid schizophrenic delusions about evil doctors in evil white lab coats coming to forcibly inject people with evil things. Conspiracy! World Homicide Organization! Help help the sky is falling! Run for the hills, stock up on guns, grab the women and the children!my link was CNN. Thanks.

[Jonah Davids]

my link was CNN. Thanks.

Your link wasn't making the argument you and the other chicken littles are making, or the argument I was referring to. You're welcome.

[Ferrus]

hard to say. Personally, I think a lot of the information we're being made privy to is purposeful. We're supposed to know something sketchy is happening, supposed to know shit is corrupt. It's too obvious. It's all over the internet, it's leaked in just the right ways, et cetera. Whether this is just to incite a degree of revolution to further justify efforts of containment and social reform, or for some even more insidious and ridiculous purpose, like setting up a deliberately faulty system so its alternative can be more unilaterally accepted later, I have no fuckin' idea. I don't intend to herd anybody towards any one school of thought in particular, just to encourage paying the fuck attention. Something is definitely fishy and ignoring it is getting more silly by the day.
Or the media is just trying to make a few bucks. But of course that is too simple a 'conspiracy' to hold any water.

[nonperson]

Your link wasn't making the argument you and the other chicken littles are making, or the argument I was referring to. You're welcome.

I think of myself more as Turkey Lurkey.

[Oso Mocoso]

That explains it then. Didn't they make you take de-education classes when you settle back in the US? :ph34r:

No. They enrolled me in a highly exclusive private school which is a feeder to attending Yale. I was in the advanced placement classes at that school with (mostly) a bunch of other third culture kids.

[nonperson]

a bunch of other third culture kids.

I like the third culture kids at my uni. Much nicer than most of the first culture ones.:)

[Curtis24]

Well maybe the second half of August will be quite interesting for all of us :p

[dubbeltop]

Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak

Is this thread about zombies again?

I can't see the need for soldiers during an epidemic..

Only in America do they need the militairy for civilian purposes...

[Curtis24]

Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak

Is this thread about zombies again?

I can't see the need for soldiers during an epidemic..

Only in America do they need the militairy for civilian purposes...

Only in America, and most of the Third World. And russia, China, etc. Actually, most of the world needs the military for civilian purposes :/

[dubbeltop]

Only in America, and most of the Third World. And russia, China, etc. Actually, most of the world needs the military for civilian purposes :/

:p ,Yeah I know.

But they have a professional army for a reason.

It must be because they started peace keeping(sic) that the militairy suddenly tries to come across as a humanitarian organisation.

mmmh...

The only reason they use the military in my country is during an emergency flooding or something like that.

Anyway it is a flu virus and not some dangerous alien plague.

ah well, must have seen to many movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9SUJdpJS4

(outbreak with Dustin Hoffman)

[Curtis24]

:p ,Yeah I know.

But they have a professional army for a reason.

It must be because they started peace keeping(sic) that the militairy suddenly tries to come across as a humanitarian organisation.

mmmh...

The only reason they use the military in my country is during an emergency flooding or something like that.

Anyway it is a flu virus and not some dangerous alien plague.

ah well, must have seen to many movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9SUJdpJS4

(outbreak with Dustin Hoffman)

I'll concede that its embarrassing for a First World country to have to use their military in such a way.

[nonperson]

Anyway it is a flu virus and not some dangerous alien plague.



Flu is very, very dangerous. What the concern is that this particular strain mutates into something more lethal. In today's interconnected world where continents are connected by a few hour's 'plane ride the world can't afford to take risks.


I'll concede that its embarrassing for a First World country to have to use their military in such a way.

Well who else are they going to call on? You have to view your nation's military as an insurance policy. If the state suddenly needs a disciplined body or mass transport where is it going to come from? Do you think you local authorities keep spare capacity just in case? Like a lot here you seem very ignorant of how the military operate and their capabilities. For some reason the left thinking seem to believe armed forces are inept. Have you ever considered why when a state collapses the only cogent body left are the armed forces?

[jyng1]

Flu is very, very dangerous. What the concern is that this particular strain mutates into something more lethal. In today's interconnected world where continents are connected by a few hour's 'plane ride the world can't afford to take risks.

Some pigs have just caught it from humans in Australia. They're a bit concerned as this might be a way for it to mutate to something a bit more lethal.

But you guys in the Northern Hemisphere have the worst to come still. They redid some of the data and think that its far more contagious than first thought and up to 80% of the population here is expected to get it.

They have 100 health professionals (out of 4,500) in Wellington sick at the moment and one nurse dead (about the same as last year with normal flu).

They expect the Northern Hemisphere to get worse in the winter. We're going through that now and our contagion rates are higher so far.

[nonperson]

I know I said I was treating this thread as a bit of joke. Perhaps as somebody who has a better grasp of the issues than most (sadly especially here) I shouldn't have been so crass.

The modern world is very fragile and far, far too many don't realize this simple fact. Treating 'flu' like a cold and then scoffing as governments call on the machinery available to keep their citizens safe (that is you and me) is gross flagrant ignorance in extremis.

[Resonance]

what? I can't take anyone who scoffs at an organization for 'not being manly enough' seriously; I don't know how anyone could.

come to think of it, I don't take any recommendations of 'being a man' seriously.

[nonperson]

what? I can't take anyone who scoffs at an organization for 'not being manly enough' seriously; I don't know how anyone could.

come to think of it, I don't take any recommendations of 'being a man' seriously.

What are you on about you silly sausage?

[Resonance]

What are you on about you silly sausage?

I dunno I just read the OP and your post and intrapolated the entire conversation in my head, then thought of something to say.

At this rate I'll never become a small business accountant.

[nonperson]

I dunno I just read the OP and your post and intrapolated the entire conversation in my head, then thought of something to say.



That is how I post too. :grin:

[Curtis24]

Well who else are they going to call on? You have to view your nation's military as an insurance policy. If the state suddenly needs a disciplined body or mass transport where is it going to come from? Do you think you local authorities keep spare capacity just in case? Like a lot here you seem very ignorant of how the military operate and their capabilities. For some reason the left thinking seem to believe armed forces are inept. Have you ever considered why when a state collapses the only cogent body left are the armed forces?

These are all good points. I don't think the military is inept - simply drastic.

[rhinosaur]

Why such a shock that they're planning for it? For years, we've heard the health professionals say that the human race is due for another pandemic. If not H1N1, it will be something else. Donkey flu, some kind of mutated cold virus, airborne HIV, Siberian liver parasite, etc. The fact that we are seeing flare-ups of these new strains (avian flu, swine flu, SARS) is IMO a warning sign that a more contagious strain will eventually "catch," much like a forest fire. I would rather have my overlords be prepared for it than not.

Plus, the same preparedness would be needed for a biological weapon attack on the country.

[nonperson]

These are all good points. I don't think the military is inept - simply drastic.

And if they, the government, hadn't planned? Isn't that what most critics of governments accuse them of, not planning, not thinking ahead?

[nonperson]

Donkey flu

http://www.ts-u.co.uk/wpimages/wpd44b0cb1.png

Is a cruel, cruel disease. Would the government be able to source enough carrots? Could the army deliver them in time?

[ThatGirl]

Lol, its the flu.

I don't understand flu hysteria. Chances are, if you're taken out by something like that, it was probably your time to go soon anyway. On second thought (imagines soldiers learning to counter the flu in basic training programs) Lol.

Drink fluids.

[nonperson]

Lol, its the flu.

I don't understand flu hysteria. Chances are, if you're taken out by something like that, it was probably your time to go soon anyway. On second thought (imagines soldiers learning to counter the flu in basic training programs) Lol.

Drink fluids.

This silly virologist shouldn't need all this protective clothing then........

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Influenza_virus_research.jpg

[ThatGirl]

Lol, The guy is playing with concentrated flu, I assume?

[aphemix]

Drink fluids.this is what I say, too. Nobody believes me.

personally I'm eagerly anticipating H1N1, I will catch that shit on purpose in a heartbeat. Antibodies ftw!

[jyng1]

Lol, its the flu.

I don't understand flu hysteria. Chances are, if you're taken out by something like that, it was probably your time to go soon anyway. On second thought (imagines soldiers learning to counter the flu in basic training programs) Lol.

Drink fluids.

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus. Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.

The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920 , spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide. An estimated 500 million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), became infected.

Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.

[nonperson]

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world.

As I pointed out above with air travel it will get everywhere a lot quicker. The deaths in a similar outbreak wouldn't be proportional but greater. There is a further problem in that the more who are infected the greater chance for mutation and something nastier replacing the original strain. Eeek!

It is worrying that this virus is prevalent amongst the young. I can't make my mind up whether having the start of the autumn semester at uni' postponed is good or bad........

[aphemix]

There is a further problem in that the more who are infected the greater chance for mutation and something nastier replacing the original strain. Eeek!this is why you catch it now!

[jyng1]

this is why you catch it now!

Yeh, I think you only have a one in a hundred chance of it killing you now. If it gets more virulent it could be one in five.

If it mutates, I'm not sure catching the first one will make you immune anyway:think: .

Bring on more intensive farming. Just like a big virus mixing factory.

[nonperson]

If it mutates, I'm not sure catching the first one will make you immune anyway:think: .



:grin:

[ThatGirl]

Cool virus! Using your own shit against you like that.

Is there a way to temporarily inhibit the immune system, in the case of a local outbreak?

At any rate, did research determine evidence of the virus mutating and at what rate? Any common factors?

I'll look it up.

[ThatGirl]

Wait this is Swine Flu?

Didn't it already have a round. It didn't kill that many people.

[aphemix]

Is there a way to temporarily inhibit the immune system, in the case of a local outbreak?sleep deprivation!

[jyng1]

Wait this is Swine Flu?

Didn't it already have a round. It didn't kill that many people.

It's still going round and is currently worse in the southern hemisphere winter, and is predicted to do the same in the coming northern hemisphere winter.

A pig farm in Australia has just got a swine flu outbreak that was caught from humans. This is of concern because H1N1 mutates in one species then transfers to another that doesn't have resistance.

Yes it's your own immune system that does you in. One of the reasons the spanish flu got so many was because it was the end of WW1 and young, fit soldiers were all together in demob camps and returning home from Europe.

But, its currently a less serious flu than normal winter flu (although much more contagious) and other diseases still have higher mortality rates (measles for instance).

[aphemix]

H1N1 hysteria addressed on Fox News...


An uncontrollable, deadly virus ravages America, shutting down civilian institutions and triggering martial law. Vaccinations are compulsory, and there are mass quarantines throughout the country.

It's the stuff of Hollywood — but rumors that it could be real are spreading like the flu in the blogosphere, where some people are loudly expressing their fears that the federal government is seriously considering such measures as it maps out a worst-case-scenario response to the swine flu pandemic.

During the bird flu scare of 2005, the Bush administration added novel forms of influenza — including the swine flu — to the official list of "quarantinable communicable diseases," clearing the way for the forced detention of people who exhibit symptoms of the disease.

Now a proposal awaiting Defense Secretary Robert Gates' approval would allow the military to set up regional teams to assist civilian authorities in dealing with the impact of the swine flu pandemic. And some observers see this level of government preparedness as little more than a pretext for tyranny.

"The implications are far reaching," Michel Chossudovsky wrote on the Global Research Web site, which averages 18,000 visitors daily. "The decision points toward the establishment of a police state," he said.source. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,538774,00.html)

PROTIP: why exactly is Fox News openly referencing Global Research? (http://www.google.com/search?q=Global+Research)

[last_caress]

Cool virus! Using your own shit against you like that.

Is there a way to temporarily inhibit the immune system, in the case of a local outbreak?

At any rate, did research determine evidence of the virus mutating and at what rate? Any common factors?

I'll look it up.

corticosteroids

[Bongmaster General]

Cool virus! Using your own shit against you like that.

Is there a way to temporarily inhibit the immune system, in the case of a local outbreak?


sleep deprivation!



Also, NMDA antagonists are neuroprotective against stuff like encephalitis lethargica. This implies that the surviving few of our generation will be comprised mostly of former ravers and cough medicine junkies.

/pushes psychonautic agenda

[ciphersort]

/pushes psychonautic agenda

Good to see you posting here again Bongmaster General.

[Bongmaster General]

Good to see you posting here again Bongmaster General.

Thanks, man. If there's one thing I hate, it's viruses that put me into a levodopa responsive cataleptic stupor. We need to educate our children on the dangers of not experimenting with drugs.

EDIT:
PROTIP: why exactly is Fox News openly referencing Global Research? (http://www.google.com/search?q=Global+Research)

While Global Research has been pretty aggressive in denouncing the recent Bush administration, my take on Fox News citing them is that now we're under the Obama administration and they'll take stories that make the government look unstable and dangerous wherever they can find them. I don't think the people behind Fox News are in on a conspiracy if there is one, mostly because they've demonstrated pretty piss poor research skills in the past. If they were really well connected like they would need to be in order to be in on something like this, I would expect them to have their shit together way more than they actually do (and no, I don't think pretending to have retarded research methods would be exactly what a conspirator sponsored news network would want to project to throw people off). I wouldn't be surprised if Fox News researchers got all their information by searching Google for various combinations of "recession," "disaster," and "gay rights."

EDIT 2: Or if they're completely separate from any conspirators in play here and they just stumbled upon what's going on, I don't think their open citing of Global Research means this issue is so big it transcends party politics. I might just be missing the point here, but again I think Fox News is a smear engine that will run on whatever it can find. It's not like someone pointing out they took a story from a liberal leaning source would ruin their reputation. What's made them effective in the past is their underdog image, giving them the ability to write off any complaint about accuracy, political correctness, intergrity, etc. as "elitist," not to mention any criticism of straying from the party line could be countered with the idea that they're the fair and balanced centrist news source anyway and the far left nature of the mainstream media is the only thing giving them the illusion of favoring the right wing.