do you find intpcentral....

[file cabinet]

Why?

I find intpcentral can be negative. There are some people I chat with who come here less(or maybe not all) because of how they perceive this forum.



Why?

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[melancholeric]

If I found it negative, why would I be here?

It has just lately been less positive than what it used to be.

[file cabinet]

If I found it negative, why would I be here?

It has just lately been less positive than what it used to be.


Why has it been less positive?

[Division56]

I find INTPCentral negative because the amount of personal infighting/innuendo/etc... outnumbers the actual posts quite heavily. I would be a happy man if I never had to hear about EZ and SB34 again.

[songbird36]

oooh and I thought we were *buddies* now.

Maybe not...

[Division56]

I meant about the fights, not the users...

[songbird36]

Ah yes - well I'm with you on that one.

For the record I had a last attempt at resolution yesterday (the ignore option, which should have been exercised months ago).

[Lee]

I find the interesting threads.... err interesting and the arguments funny.

Either way I am usually entertained, I do not take the bickering seriously and people are frequently at thier most creative and amusing when insulting each other.

Maybe it has veered to far towards the arguing lately...

[waxwing]

Negative tone. Pettiness. Worthless content.

Of course, I wouldn't be here if I didn't find some of the threads and members interesting. It's just that the substantive posts are dwindling. I don't care about who's who at INTP Central. It's like I'm reading my high school yearbook again. Best smile? Teacher's pet? Most likely to succeed? Wait, I bet we already had that thread. And if so, I can almost guarantee it was made into a biased poll.

[melancholeric]

Why has it been less positive?
Div explained a lot about it.

Other than that, it's either me getting bored or the quality has actually gone down. Too many intellectually challenged people with ideas too retarded to even to be discussed.

Not naming anyone.

[file cabinet]

I find the interesting threads.... err interesting and the arguments funny.

Either way I am usually entertained, I do not take the bickering seriously and people are frequently at thier most creative and amusing when insulting each other.

Maybe it has veered to far towards the arguing lately...

so you find the arguments positive? or negative? you don't believe it affects the general atmosphere of intpcentral?

[mgb]

Why has it been less positive?

You aren't finding the positive aspects of the negative ones.

It has been more negative lately, to some extent, but that's probably a by-product of its size and rapid expansion.

There will be some sort of breaking point eventually, hopefully soon, and things will settle down. Or, as has been hinted, you are going to shut the place down and let N Central be the big game in town.

I'd site detachment from the site by the admins is a huge problem, in my opinion. Seems like you guys are getting tired of running this place to some extent. Which I suppose is something that happens to most forums on the internet, especially when those who run it are the type that like to try new things all the time.

[mgb]

Div explained a lot about it.

Other than that, it's either me getting bored or the quality has actually gone down. Too many intellectually challenged people with ideas too retarded to even to be discussed.

Not naming anyone.


And this too.

[Nighthawk]

I'm here because its the only thing my place of work has not blocked yet. ;)

[melancholeric]

You aren't finding the positive aspects of the negative ones.

It has been more negative lately, to some extent, but that's probably a by-product of its size and rapid expansion.

There will be some sort of breaking point eventually, hopefully soon, and things will settle down. Or, as has been hinted, you are going to shut the place down and let N Central be the big game in town.

I'd site detachment from the site by the admins is a huge problem, in my opinion. Seems like you guys are getting tired of running this place to some extent. Which I suppose is something that happens to most forums on the internet, especially when those who run it are the type that like to try new things all the time.
And this too.

[jittus rye]

I believe the personal attacks of all forms should be regulated for a short period of time. This would be to let everyone become less hostile towards eachother. For example, if a post contains a personal attack, just delete the whole thing. The forum isn't supposed to be a battle of wits or an intellectual pissing contest. New Members that constantly see fighting and almost no "real" content on the site probably are not going to stick around, and potential members might decide not to join. This obviously wouldn't be a good thing.- Because after everyone leaves, you're left with no one.

I think a highly organized and timed filtering of information is in order. With at least 10 officals participating at once to erase the rememberance conflict entirely off of the board. New posts could then be heavily sensored and disciplinary action could be used against repeat offendors.


*edit* Empty posts should also be regulated if not in the proper area as well.

[booyalab]

I find the homosexual tension between melancholeric and mgbradsh positively negative.

[Lee]

so you find the arguments positive? or negative? you don't believe it affects the general atmosphere of intpcentral?
I suppose it is negative... but I cannot pretend I do not find much of it amusing.

It does need to calm down a bit, it will eventually... it's a very difficult situation to moderate.

[Division56]

I would like to say that NCentral will never replace INTPCentral... the sites have almost completely different member bases and aims.

[mgb]

I believe the personal attacks of all forms should be regulated for a short period of time. This would be to let everyone become less hostile towards eachother. For example, if a post contains a personal attack, just delete the whole thing. The forum isn't supposed to be a battle of wits or an intellectual pissing contest. New Members that constantly see fighting and almost no "real" content on the site probably are not going to stick around, and potential members might decide not to join. This obviously wouldn't be a good thing.- Because after everyone leaves, you're left with no one.

I think a highly organized and timed filtering of information is in order. With at least 10 officals participating at once to erase the rememberance conflict entirely off of the board. New posts could then be heavily sensored and disciplinary action could be used against repeat offendors.


*edit* Empty posts should also be regulated if not in the proper area as well.


But there are actual people behind those words with a loathing for each other. They've tried to limit the bickering. Even the members involved, me included, have tried to ignore each other. Doesn't work.

It also so happens that the people involved most in the bickering are the ones that have the most posts and spend the most time here.

You could ban people I suppose, but it's probably a band-aid solution to the problem, long term I mean.

Another idea might be for someone to mediate the dispute, but I'm not sure anyone would be interested in that.

[mgb]

I find the homosexual tension between melancholeric and mgbradsh positively negative.

Why you gotta be like that?

[file cabinet]

You aren't finding the positive aspects of the negative ones.

It has been more negative lately, to some extent, but that's probably a by-product of its size and rapid expansion.
mmm.. growth.


There will be some sort of breaking point eventually, hopefully soon, and things will settle down. Or, as has been hinted, you are going to shut the place down and let N Central be the big game in town.
I'm not sure who has been hinting what you say but that is unlikely.


I'd site detachment from the site by the admins is a huge problem, in my opinion. Seems like you guys are getting tired of running this place to some extent.
for me, I find this to be true to an extent. who wants to actually moderate/admin a forum? I don't find the rules difficult to follow, but conflicts do arise and dealing with them has probably been inconsistent.


Which I suppose is something that happens to most forums on the internet, especially when those who run it are the type that like to try new things all the time.
are we really trying "new things all the time" ? I don't see it that way.. maybe you could clarify why you perceive this

[SheepDog]

Is this something new? Here? Really?

[nBT]

i cant see the sense of most bitching threads. i dont read em, i think most are fun. its not my type of fun. and the fights... its half fun too. they entertained themselves good. gets harder though to find any good threads

[songbird36]

Mediation of the dispute implies that there is some rational or logical basis on which to resolve it.

There isn't, as the dispute is based *entirely* on personal hatred and animosity. This isn't an issue which lends itself to mediation.

[jittus rye]

Nevermind, this probably wasn't a serious enough post.

[Division56]

Mediation of the dispute implies that there is some rational or logical basis on which to resolve it.

There isn't, as the dispute is based *entirely* on personal hatred and animosity. This isn't an issue which lends itself to mediation.

Hmmmm... I agree. For mediation you need something to argue over... property or such... this is more personal.

[file cabinet]

But there are actual people behind those words with a loathing for each other. They've tried to limit the bickering. Even the members involved, me included, have tried to ignore each other. Doesn't work.

It also so happens that the people involved most in the bickering are the ones that have the most posts and spend the most time here.
...


You could ban people I suppose, but it's probably a band-aid solution to the problem, long term I mean.
I agree, this would probably not solve anything.


Another idea might be for someone to mediate the dispute, but I'm not sure anyone would be interested in that.
yeah, that would be difficult

[mgb]

are we really trying "new things all the time" ? I don't see it that way.. maybe you could clarify why you perceive this

I just think a site for INTPs and by INTPs is going to be the product of our INTPness. Look at NGene, just kind of got bored (or other stuff came up, or just got tired of this place) and moved on. It's a site about who were are, not a site for people who are OCD about a certain hobby or something.

For what it's worth, the most important part of this site, I think, is the 100 or so, consistent members that post on a regular basis. Not the other 800 that sign up and never post, or the people with 10 posts that just lurk all the time.

As far as the bickering is concerned, hopefully it has been limited to one spot now, that is easily ignored.

[songbird36]

Yes I think the bitch forum was a very good idea.

Now hopefully serious threads will not get contaminated with that stuff.

[mgb]

Hmmmm... I agree. For mediation you need something to argue over... property or such... this is more personal.

Not really. Think of it as the end to a civil war.

Really, both parties have a conclusion to the bickering in mind. Mediation might be able to get to the reason the fight started and why it has continued, and potential ways to get it to end.

If anyone was serious about this, I'd get the members involved into a private forum and let them each show their cases. If they refuse, ban them because they obviously have no intention of seeing the conflict end.

[songbird36]

Do you want to see it end Mgbradsh? This is a serious question.

[Sir Isaac Lime]

I don't understand the question.

[mgb]

Mediation of the dispute implies that there is some rational or logical basis on which to resolve it.

There isn't, as the dispute is based *entirely* on personal hatred and animosity. This isn't an issue which lends itself to mediation.

Maybe the root of the hatred needs to be addressed? Maybe arguments for both sides need to be said and heard.

Where did the hatred and animosity come from? If you want to ignore that, fine, but it's that type of attitude that isn't going to solve this.

[mgb]

Do you want to see it end Mgbradsh? This is a serious question.

It's easy to see it end.

Resolution would be much more satisfying.

[file cabinet]

I just think a site for INTPs and by INTPs is going to be the product of our INTPness. Look at NGene, just kind of got bored (or other stuff came up, or just got tired of this place) and moved on. It's a site about who were are, not a site for people who are OCD about a certain hobby or something.
I'm not exactly sure why Ngene left.. I suspect she had more personal reasons then the ones you suggested.


For what it's worth, the most important part of this site, I think, is the 100 or so, consistent members that post on a regular basis. Not the other 800 that sign up and never post, or the people with 10 posts that just lurk all the time.
mmmm, about the 100 or so members..


As far as the bickering is concerned, hopefully it has been limited to one spot now, that is easily ignored.
I thought I saw some "spillover"
what will happen when people begin bickering in a thread that isn't already in the BP? .. I don't believe the bickering will ever be limited to a certain area.. but maybe the BP will help a little.. we shall see.

[songbird36]

This is my understanding of Zedo's reasons:

#1 -Because I am not an INTP
#2 - Because I post "too much"
#3 - Because he never agrees with my views

#2 seems to be the only thing I could do anything about. But I note that until recently Zedo was actually the highest poster on here.

[mgb]

what will happen when people begin bickering in a thread that isn't already in the BP? .. I don't believe the bickering will ever be limited to a certain area.. but maybe the BP will help a little.. we shall see.

If there is spillover, be harsh with it. Now is the chance to be consistent.

[mgb]

This is my understanding of Zedo's reasons:

#1 -Because I am not an INTP
#2 - Because I post "too much"
#3 - Because he never agrees with my views

#2 seems to be the only thing I could do anything about. But I note that until recently Zedo was actually the highest poster on here.

Look, this is hardly the place to address these issues.

We are trying to get to the bottom of a different issue here.

[songbird36]

It's easy to see it end.

Resolution would be much more satisfying.

But the only solution that's been suggested as far as I'm aware is my being banned.

I don't want that, as I want the opportunity to continue to debate on interesting issues.

I think I've posted more in recent months because the forum has become a more interesting place - there are a greater number of serious threads on topics that I'm interested in.

[file cabinet]

If there is spillover, be harsh with it. Now is the chance to be consistent.

harsh? how so?


Look, this is hardly the place to address these issues.

We are trying to get to the bottom of a different issue here.

yep.. we're all well aware some people have conflicts with other users... no need for specifics

[melancholeric]

harsh? how so?

removing the posts? warnings?

[file cabinet]

I just checked a feature of the forum.. being able to split a thread... so.. then it would be possible to slice out the perceived 'negative' posts then move the negative split of the thread to the parlor

[Clara]

I think the positive greatly outweighs the negative.

Think : how else could we stand being around so many of us "at once" ... I'm not being flippant, I think it's simply true. It's normal for introverts to have a saturation point of too-many-people-for-too-long-in-a-row... These fora allow discussion that covers as much ground as whoever chooses to participate wants; and, allows for diffeent schedules; and subtracts some of the things that might distract from focusing on the discussions.

There's another thing. There are social conventions that don't apply -- there's no need for seating arrangements, or a nonsmoking section... As well, if there's someone that another "can't stand seeing" ( hey, it happens to everyone, at some time or other ) : there's the ignore function, or scrolling past...

[songbird36]

On the general issue there seem to be three possibilities:

(1) The forum could be more heavily moderated in a general sense, to reduce "bitchiness" and remove inflammatory posts (no-one seems to want this), and banning of trolls;

(2) The individual perpetrators of nastiness could resolve their dispute or else agree to be less bitchy, to the benefit of the forum generally; or

(3) A combination of (1) and (2).

[Sackanaka]

Despite every negative aspect mentioned, the semi-pragmatic view I hold is that this forum provides a necessary release from an otherwise mediocre and mundane daily life-
that is, it's fun to read "real" responses, even if virtual, of others who sound like their responses correlate to trains of thought I've taken before.
My other release would be talking personally to a few others, currently in particular my Philosophy professor; I imagine that if the mentioned semi-pragmatic value associated with this forum declines into a state where it is unreasonable to come here, I would leave.
Key point: pragmatic value > molehills of crap

[mgb]

But the only solution that's been suggested as far as I'm aware is my being banned.

I don't want that, as I want the opportunity to continue to debate on interesting issues.

I think I've posted more in recent months because the forum has become a more interesting place - there are a greater number of serious threads on topics that I'm interested in.

That's why resolution would be more satisfying, because through a facilitator, you and Zedo are the ones (in this case) that would create the solution based on your individual views of the problem.

The end, is easy, ban both of you.

If the problem continues, and I was in a position to solve it, I would give both of you (and anyone else involved) the chance to seek resolution (hard) or an end (easy).

[mgb]

I just checked a feature of the forum.. being able to split a thread... so.. then it would be possible to slice out the perceived 'negative' posts then move the negative split of the thread to the parlor

No, I would just clean them. There will be a little bit of on topic bickering. If it goes past that, clean the thread and warn the perpetrators.

If it gets personal, the BP is there, people will learn fast.

[file cabinet]

removing the posts? warnings?

I had the impression most people don't actually like seeing the mods/admins remove posts (or maybe it has helped? I'm not really sure..)..
and.. as for warnings.. they're occasionally issued.. but enforcing anything can be difficult(for when someone gets enough warning for a ban) and does not necessarily resolve anything..


On the general issue there seem to be three possibilities:

(1) The forum could be more heavily moderated in a general sense, to reduce "bitchiness" and remove inflammatory posts (no-one seems to want this), and banning of trolls;

(2) The individual perpetrators of nastiness could resolve their dispute or else agree to be less bitchy, to the benefit of the forum generally; or

(3) A combination of (1) and (2).
I'm not sure if it's that's simple. I personally never really want to ban people unless I _need_ to (or by request)



Despite every negative aspect mentioned, the semi-pragmatic view I hold is that this forum provides a necessary release from an otherwise mediocre and mundane daily life-
that is, it's fun to read "real" responses, even if virtual, of others who sound like their responses correlate to trains of thought I've taken before.
My other release would be talking personally to a few others, currently in particular my Philosophy professor; I imagine that if the mentioned semi-pragmatic value associated with this forum declines into a state where it is unreasonable to come here, I would leave.
Key point: pragmatic value > molehills of crap
do you think it would ever 'decline into a state where it is unreasonable to come here' ?

[songbird36]

Well I'd be happy to find a solution if he wants one that doesn't involve my banning.

My view of the problem is more simple than the 1, 2 and 3 factors I outlined above. I think Zedo and I are the strongest, most emphatic personalities on this forum, and probably two of the most stubborn people. We therefore have a natural clash.

I don't say any of this to "self-aggrandize" myself or anything like that and I don't necessarily see it as a positive thing - I just think it's a reality that has caused this conflict.

[Star]

Hm!

Create a new forum, called "Time Out."

Anyone who brings a personal argument into any thread outside of the Bitching Parlor immediately gets banned to the "Time Out" forum for at least 24 hours. There, they can state their case or not, other people can comment on it, or not. It can be hidden from the guests.

Then go zero tolerance on personal arguments outside of the BP.

[file cabinet]

That's why resolution would be more satisfying, because through a facilitator, you and Zedo are the ones (in this case) that would create the solution based on your individual views of the problem.

The end, is easy, ban both of you.

If the problem continues, and I was in a position to solve it, I would give both of you (and anyone else involved) the chance to seek resolution (hard) or an end (easy).
mmm.. if we had actually been following the rules, we probably would've banned some people by now


No, I would just clean them. There will be a little bit of on topic bickering. If it goes past that, clean the thread and warn the perpetrators.

If it gets personal, the BP is there, people will learn fast.
mmm.. what do others think of the 'thread cleanings' that have happened?

[melancholeric]

I had the impression most people don't actually like seeing the mods/admins remove posts (or maybe it has helped? I'm not really sure..)..
and.. as for warnings.. they're occasionally issued.. but enforcing anything can be difficult(for when someone gets enough warning for a ban) and does not necessarily resolve anything..
Or move them to the parlor. That's why it is there.


do you think it would ever 'decline into a state where it is unreasonable to come here' ?
Not addressed to me, but I think yes.

[mgb]

I had the impression most people don't actually like seeing the mods/admins remove posts (or maybe it has helped? I'm not really sure..)..
and.. as for warnings.. they're occasionally issued.. but enforcing anything can be difficult(for when someone gets enough warning for a ban) and does not necessarily resolve anything..


I'm not sure if it's that's simple. I personally never really want to ban people unless I _need_ to (or by request)



do you think it would ever 'decline into a state where it is unreasonable to come here' ?


Now that we have an actual place to bitch about members (rather than just having a thread removed), I don't think anyone can complain about a thread getting cleaned up.

Before it was just something that happened once in a while without any warning.

[Star]

mmm.. what do others think of the 'thread cleanings' that have happened?
h8

[songbird36]

Time out? Pretty good idea.

This is what I do with my kids when they're been naughty or have an anger management problem. It works a charm.

[mgb]

Hm!

Create a new forum, called "Time Out."

Anyone who brings a personal argument into any thread outside of the Bitching Parlor immediately gets banned to the "Time Out" forum for at least 24 hours. There, they can state their case or not, other people can comment on it, or not. It can be hidden from the guests.

Then go zero tolerance on personal arguments outside of the BP.

I agree with that a lot.

[file cabinet]

Hm!

Create a new forum, called "Time Out."

Anyone who brings a personal argument into any thread outside of the Bitching Parlor immediately gets banned to the "Time Out" forum for at least 24 hours. There, they can state their case or not, other people can comment on it, or not. It can be hidden from the guests.

Then go zero tolerance on personal arguments outside of the BP.

actually, they have this at another forum I occasionally participate in.. their "time out" forum is called the "kiddie corral"
you can check it out here:
http://www.genmay.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12
that forum is a little more nazi-ish since they KC people without notice usually.

I suppose I like this idea.. only because I've experienced it before.. and when I've been KC'd for a day / week or whatever the mod is feeling like that day it was pretty lame.

what do others think of this idea?

[mgb]

actually, they have this at another forum I occasionally participate in.. their "time out" forum is called the "kiddie corral"
you can check it out here:
http://www.genmay.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12
that forum is a little more nazi-ish since they KC people without notice usually.

I suppose I like this idea.. only because I've experienced it before.. and when I've been KC'd for a day / week or whatever the mod is feeling like that day it was pretty lame.

what do others think of this idea?

Holy Christ, does it stop shaking after you join?

A good idea as long as it isn't nazi-ish and applies equally to everyone on the forum, including admins.

[songbird36]

Do we get food and drinks there? Or are we left to starve and be miserable?

[Sackanaka]

do you think it would ever 'decline into a state where it is unreasonable to come here' ?
I suppose when:
1) I get more angry than I do laugh & exercise my thinking processes.
2) There really isn't anything new (in relative, individual-based-subjective terms... dunno how else to put it) over a course of time I would deem a "waste." (again, so subjective and arbitrary I don't have a set time or probably care to make one)
3) When people make it clear that I am unwanted, because I am a pansy like that.

If all three are met, or if one is so exceedingly/painfully prominent, I would call it "unreasonable to come here."
However, I assume my initial response would be to take a short break from the site sans-giftedmadness@hotmail.com-style, and would inevitably come back just to see if anything interesting developed.
Like all good websites, this has the potential to become tedious and forgotten. I sure hope otherwise though, as this has become my "must-see-daily" site.

[file cabinet]

Holy Christ, does it stop shaking after you join?
the Kiddie Corral is the only place like that on the forum. it's supposed to be a punishment so they make it do some crazy music + JavaScript .


A good idea as long as it isn't nazi-ish and applies equally to everyone on the forum, including admins.
I would hope the admins/mods wouldn't get out of line.. who is watching the watchmen...

[Nighthawk]

...this forum provides a necessary release from an otherwise mediocre and mundane daily life-

Yes, one of the main positive points for me as well.

[songbird36]

Life? what life? This is the *only* life I know...

[SheepDog]

No matter what gets posted here, it will never top the fact that my son just spit-up on my shirt.

[songbird36]

Reflux eh? My two used to do that bigtime.

They required constant feeding to make up for it.

[CosmicDust]

What happened to NGene is that she got hooked on an internet role-playing community, and I guess kind of forgot about this place and soon after kind of forgot about her LJ.

Her second to last Livejournal entry:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ngene/31307.html

I consider this place neutral...yeah, it's a lot of trash, but I can find trash entertaining, provided I can actually follow some of the trash. (Universal's posts could not even be followed well with their crappy spelling/grammar, and they were almost a caricature of a bad troll.) I'm not beneath low-brow humor, but some clever wit mixed in makes it better, and here it's not too hard to find that.

I've done my drama elsewhere, and am pretty much done with drama now - I tire of actively creating it, as it only mucks up my moods and spirals me out of control. I want more control now. But drama can still make for a good read while procrastinating.

[PonderBee]

I visit for positive reasons - so I find intpcentral to be positive.
Life is crammed full of negative crap that I do have to endure and deal with - here I can just skim over anything that might be unappealing to me. No big deal.

[Edmond Zedo]

This is my understanding of Zedo's reasons:

#1 -Because I am not an INTP
#2 - Because I post "too much"
#3 - Because he never agrees with my views

#2 seems to be the only thing I could do anything about. But I note that until recently Zedo was actually the highest poster on here.
For one, you're wrong as usual. For two, why on Earth would you just post "Hopefully that will clean up the main forum" and then spread some more garbage about me on the main forum? Doesn't make sense, as usual again.

[mgb]

For one, you're wrong as usual. For two, why on Earth would you just post "Hopefully that will clean up the main forum" and then spread some more garbage about me on the main forum? Doesn't make sense, as usual again.

Christ Zedo.

*You aren't helping

[file cabinet]

actually, they have this at another forum I occasionally participate in.. their "time out" forum is called the "kiddie corral"
you can check it out here:
http://www.genmay.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12
that forum is a little more nazi-ish since they KC people without notice usually.

I suppose I like this idea.. only because I've experienced it before.. and when I've been KC'd for a day / week or whatever the mod is feeling like that day it was pretty lame.

what do others think of this idea?


alright.. I went for a drive and I came back.. and my thoughts were that isn't this really just another bandaid?... and there really aren't that many 'problem users' to warrant this, same goes for the BP, is there enough reason to have it?

[file cabinet]

For one, you're wrong as usual. For two, why on Earth would you just post "Hopefully that will clean up the main forum" and then spread some more garbage about me on the main forum? Doesn't make sense, as usual again.

in this thread it doesn't matter who's right or wrong. if you want to argue with her, go to the Parlor and bitch, at the forum I referred to earlier in this thread, when you have a problem with someone you go to The Pit and you call them out (http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=518721). while I never thought that would be needed her, you might as well "call her out" ..

[Warrior413]

Eh... talking about this as being either positive or negative just doesn't work. In life and in this humble forum there are positive points and negative points. You take the good with the bad. If I didn't think it was worth it to post here, I'd pull a giftedmadness.

[mgb]

alright.. I went for a drive and I came back.. and my thoughts were that isn't this really just another bandaid?... and there really aren't that many 'problem users' to warrant this, same goes for the BP, is there enough reason to have it?

Admit it, you were just getting some more Girl Guide cookies.

Fights are going to happen. It's nice to be able to have them and not interfere in the forum.

But some fights run deeper. I kind of like the idea of the Time Out area. That way the problem people can figure it out.

[Edmond Zedo]

There are two real problems with the forum right now (If not most forums out there).

1. Members without malicious intent per se (a la "troll"), but who are truly neurotic and obsessed with the forum, and don't belong here. I know of only one. There's no recourse. Ask yourself why?

2. Trigger happy admins with regard to post/thread removal/closure primarily.

[Edmond Zedo]

in this thread it doesn't matter who's right or wrong. if you want to argue with her, go to the Parlor and bitch, at the forum I referred to earlier in this thread, when you have a problem with someone you go to The Pit and you call them out (http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=518721). while I never thought that would be needed her, you might as well "call her out" ..
Tell songbird, not me.

[Star]

alright.. I went for a drive and I came back.. and my thoughts were that isn't this really just another bandaid?... and there really aren't that many 'problem users' to warrant this, same goes for the BP, is there enough reason to have it?

It does seem overly complicated, but I think it's a good solution because it protects against censorship. Deleting posts causes unrest among INTPs, I think, which then ferments and erupts into little rebellions, like the attack of the Zedo clones.

The quarantine forum could keep the personal arguments from contaminating the rest of the site, and at the same time give everyone freedom of speech.

[Ascending]

Unfortunatly this forum has a very low Signal-Noise ratio.

[indie]

I tend to think of INTP Central as neither black nor white (read = neither "positive" or "negative"), but as a lovely shade of grey . . . an environmentally-friendly nuclear-winter-type fallout type of place, if you will, where people don't come together in an attempt to save the earth, but to watch it fall slowly to pieces around them.

[file cabinet]

Admit it, you were just getting some more Girl Guide cookies.
*Girl Scout

they actually stopped selling them..
I snacked on some earlier today..


Fights are going to happen. It's nice to be able to have them and not interfere in the forum.

But some fights run deeper. I kind of like the idea of the Time Out area. That way the problem people can figure it out.
mmm, we shall see.



There are two real problems with the forum right now (If not most forums out there).

1. Members without malicious intent per se (a la "troll"), but who are truly neurotic and obsessed with the forum, and don't belong here. I know of only one. There's no recourse. Ask yourself why?
possibly


2. Trigger happy admins with regard to post/thread removal/closure primarily.
mmm, what do others think of this?


It does seem overly complicated, but I think it's a good solution because it protects against censorship. Deleting posts causes unrest among INTPs, I think, which then ferments and erupts into little rebellions, like the attack of the Zedo clones.

The quarantine forum could keep the personal arguments from contaminating the rest of the site, and at the same time give everyone freedom of speech.
mmmm, possibly



Tell songbird, not me.
then why bother with it all? why let it bother you?

[file cabinet]

Eh... talking about this as being either positive or negative just doesn't work. In life and in this humble forum there are positive points and negative points. You take the good with the bad. If I didn't think it was worth it to post here, I'd pull a giftedmadness.

there are people who leave without posting why

[Edmond Zedo]

then why bother with it all? why let it bother you?
Dude. She starts writing an essay about my psyche in here, and I say "Why are you doing that here?" yet you tell me to take it elsewhere.

"There's somethin' basically wrong with that!"

[coffeezombie]

I find it negative. I think my high school was more mature than most of the people here. And that place was full of sensors.

[Lee]

Many people are just passing through, not everybody is going to set up shop, there are other forums, other online communities. I have no doubt that some are "scared" off by bickering or constant inside joking, but that is the nature of the people on the forum, I have become members of other forums, made a few posts and left never to return, it does not necassarily mean anything.

[snarled]

I like to think that alot of people here are positively negative... and that just makes me feel great.

[jyakulis]

I like to think that alot of people here are positively negative... and that just makes me feel great.

fucking die

[snarled]

:grin:

[file cabinet]

Dude. She starts writing an essay about my psyche in here, and I say "Why are you doing that here?" yet you tell me to take it elsewhere.

"There's somethin' basically wrong with that!"

I told you to take it the parlor since I thought that was the purpose of that forum, to bitch.. to complain .. to $x.. I thought maybe that's what you wanted to do.. guess not.

some people see the problem of you and sb as negative. the bitch parlor is almost trying to accomodate this issue(from my perspective..).

[file cabinet]

I find it negative. I think my high school was more mature than most of the people here. And that place was full of sensors.

why is your high school more mature than most of the people here?

[coffeezombie]

why is your high school more mature than most of the people here?

You mean "was?" I am 31 now. It seems like people were not into ongoing feuds and trying to be deliberately shocking as much in an immature way in high school. People just partied, drank, smoked pot and acted like normal people, not like they were so much more clever than everybody else in the world.

[jyakulis]

looks like we are starting a MNME thread. Most Negative Member Ever.

And I'd like to nominate myself for the MAME: Most Annoying Member Ever.

[nobarcode]

Why?

I find intpcentral can be negative. There are some people I chat with who come here less(or maybe not all) because of how they perceive this forum.



Why?
I voted negative. But overall, this site has been a positive experience for me, life changing even. I had joined only one other forum before this one and it was a political forum. Arguments were to be expected, but overall most people just agreed to disagree after no more than a few personal attacks at that forum. I left there because, generally, I disagreed with most of the people....so I left (out of respect for that site, the people on it, and the direction it was going in.).

INTPcentral is the only forum I really ever participated in on a "personal" level...well used to participate in. We had arguments, stupid posts, the occasional flame, etc. when I first joined, but it was hardly as constant as it is now from my point of view and mainly relegated to a particular thread. I've been here and participated here because it was the first place I ever felt "comfortable" on a social level in terms of the internet ( but not limited to.. ).

I don't post much anymore. I lurk occasionally, there are a few people on here I would like to consider friends (as far as the internet is concerned), but most have left, or are playing the "we'll see what happens" card, or don't post anymore. Since I'm not too big on PM'ing or "chat"; I don't get to talk with to them anymore or know what's going on in their lives and I regret that has happened. Talking about depression was a biggie for me but hell, "we" can't talk about that anymore *tongue in cheek*. That's probably the biggest reason I lurk instead of participating. I just don't relate anymore....overall. That, and because I hate explaining myself. I didn't used to have to. I would not have responded to this even, if it weren't for fc asking.

[mgb]

I voted negative. But overall, this site has been a positive experience for me, life changing even. I had joined only one other forum before this one and it was a political forum. Arguments were to be expected, but overall most people just agreed to disagree after no more than a few personal attacks at that forum. I left there because, generally, I disagreed with most of the people....so I left (out of respect for that site, the people on it, and the direction it was going in.).

INTPcentral is the only forum I really ever participated in on a "personal" level...well used to participate in. We had arguments, stupid posts, the occasional flame, etc. when I first joined, but it was hardly as constant as it is now from my point of view and mainly relegated to a particular thread. I've been here and participated here because it was the first place I ever felt "comfortable" on a social level in terms of the internet ( but not limited to.. ).

I don't post much anymore. I lurk occasionally, there are a few people on here I would like to consider friends (as far as the internet is concerned), but most have left, or are playing the "we'll see what happens" card, or don't post anymore. Since I'm not too big on PM'ing or "chat"; I don't get to talk with to them anymore or know what's going on in their lives and I regret that has happened. Talking about depression was a biggie for me but hell, "we" can't talk about that anymore *tongue in cheek*. That's probably the biggest reason I lurk instead of participating. I just don't relate anymore....overall. That, and because I hate explaining myself. I didn't used to have to. I would not have responded to this even, if it weren't for fc asking.


I still wonder what was on your driveway.

Really, it's the migratory nature of websites.

Your point about the "chat" part of this site is really interesting. INTP Central is weird because there is a strong chat community, and besides s, Division and Shai Gar, it rarely spills over to the forum. So it's kind of unique because you end up with several very strong cliques on the site because of the forum and chat areas.

Maybe if heeroyuy started working on the buddies feature and seperate forums for buddy groups, some of these problems would clear up a bit. I don't know. The best solution so far I think is the combination of BP and a "time out" area.

[garak]

INTP Central is weird because there is a strong chat community, and besides s, Division and Shai Gar, it rarely spills over to the forum. So it's kind of unique because you end up with several very strong cliques on the site because of the forum and chat areas.
Eh? I can't recall ever really seeing division or s in the irc channel. sirisaaclime, me, deepsky, and krut are a few people who are active in both. There are a number of other people who are in the irc channel all the time but barely post on the forums anymore. (franzgold, jittus rye)

[Chicken]

I'm amused...

[mgb]

Eh? I can't recall ever really seeing division or s in the irc channel. sirisaaclime, me, deepsky, and krut are a few people who are active in both. There are a number of other people who are in the irc channel all the time but barely post on the forums anymore. (franzgold, jittus rye)

:shrug: They talk somewhere and bring it here.

[ohnoaninfp]

I like the forum, but Iwouldn't be here if I found it negative. However The forum is not as good as it used to be.

[shaytana]

Where's the neutral option? There are both good and bad aspects of the forum, all depends on what you come here for.

[Winterpark]

Where's the neutral option? There are both good and bad aspects of the forum, all depends on what you come here for.

Yes, it is both positive and negative, like all other things in life.

[MacGuffin]

Christ Zedo.

*You aren't helping
Holy Christ, ditto.

I think songbird at least somewhat understands the problems she causes. You, Zedo, on the other hand, I am so fucking sick of you.

[mgb]

Holy Christ, ditto.

I think songbird at least somewhat understands the problems she causes. You, Zedo, on the other hand, I am so fucking sick of you.

In defense of Zedo, she did take the thread to the next level by trying to turn it into a Zedo/SB fight. This without him even being here.

He responded to the baiting. Which is how the circle began in the first place.

It's why there needs to be some cooling off time for members. The two day thing was (sorry) idiotic, because they kept it up through PMs and posts through other members (which should have led to bans of other people). I also like that other people could weigh into the fight in the time out area because people so often get dragged into the fights.

[MacGuffin]

In defense of Zedo, she did take the thread to the next level by trying to turn it into a Zedo/SB fight. This without him even being here.

He responded to the baiting. Which is how the circle began in the first place.

It's why there needs to be some cooling off time for members. The two day thing was (sorry) idiotic, because they kept it up through PMs and posts through other members (which should have led to bans of other people). I also like that other people could weigh into the fight in the time out area because people so often get dragged into the fights.
I am just so fucking tired of it. There are plenty of people that could respond to SG, but Zedo had to ruin the entire fucking forum.

[kafkaesque]

I find it overall positive.
I have only been here a short while, I arrived shortly before the bitching parlour was conceived. The parlor was very popular for a while and is already fading, It seems to me what is currently going on is a flare up and will soon die down. Things will get back to being more or less civilized and engaging. Flare ups come and go, it is no reason to make any drastic changes to the forum.

When I consider wading into the bullshit, pettiness, banality, ignorance and arrogance of other more populist forums, like those on myspace.com for example, intpcentral is like manna from heaven.

[Heather Harrison]

I still find it useful, but it is both positive and negative. The infighting has discouraged me a bit, and I have been spending more time on Intuitive Central. There is a little more variety there (I like all the F's, being part-F myself), and there hasn't been any serious infighting yet. I will continue to monitor this forum and post here occasionally and may become more active if the content improves. Until then, Intuitive Central will be my primary home.

Even with all the problems, this forum is still a lot better than most, and there is a lot of good content here.

Heather Harrison

[Clara]

... all depends on what you come here for.Yes. We bring different viewpoints, and what we look for varies, too. I appreciate that I log off, having thought about something I never thought before... or looked at something with a different perspective. And we really do have different perspectives. I consider that a "feature" ( as in, "not a bug," for software ).

[songbird36]

In defense of Zedo, she did take the thread to the next level by trying to turn it into a Zedo/SB fight. This without him even being here.

He responded to the baiting. Which is how the circle began in the first place.



Actually Mgbradsh, the discussion was about problems on the forum, and those 3 things I mentioned were an attempt to elicit views from you and others as to what I could do about the reasons behind my dispute with him. I genuinely wanted others' input on this as I've run out of ideas.

Those factors were not designed to "bait" Zedo or anything like that. The discussion was proceeding, and could have continued to proceed, without him, getting input of others about the reasons for his dislike of me. I was surprised that he responded; there was no need to.

[Edmond Zedo]

I was surprised that he responded; there was no need to.
Actually, there was no need for you to use a semicolon instead of a full stop. It is, in fact, erroneous use, and is not the only error by any means.

[MacGuffin]

Actually, there was no need for you to use a semicolon instead of a full stop. It is, in fact, erroneous use, and is not the only error by any means.
shut the fuck up

[s]

shut the fuck up


["slow clap" begins]

[Star]

Time out: MacG, EZ, SB, and s

(it could work!)

[MacGuffin]

Time out: MacG, EZ, SB, and s

(it could work!)
It could, if I wasn't so fucking pissed about this shit.

How about permanent bans?

[s]

Time out: MacG, EZ, SB, and s

(it could work!)


Time out? I just got here.

[Edmond Zedo]

shut the fuck up
Hey guy, this isn't The Bitching Parlor.

[booyalab]

It could, if I wasn't so fucking pissed about this shit.

How about permanent bans?

looks like someone's getting over his ennui

[Helios]

It is like any group of people it ebbs and flows, a couple times I have been so annoyed that I was like "fuck that place" but it always seems I find someone posted something totally amazing right about then.

Right about now I am sorta bummed 'cause I was telling/pushing this place to a friend of mine, she is INTP too, and of coarse ever since I told her, it has been an everlasting clusterfuck, but oh well, I force feed it anyway, but emailing her threads I like.

[s]

Hey guy, this isn't The Bitching Parlor.

This isn't zedocentral.com either, but...

[chuckles]

[MacGuffin]

Hey guy, this isn't The Bitching Parlor.
Like that ever made a difference to you. Every thread was a bitch thread to you. Except maybe V.I.

[Sackanaka]

but emailing her threads I like.
I tend to do the same (advertise the forum to others, if only for the sake of sharing interesting threads). Which ones did you find particularly interesting/outstanding?

[Miss Anthropic]

I am just so fucking tired of it. There are plenty of people that could respond to SG, but Zedo had to ruin the entire fucking forum.

Ditto. I am really tired of it too. I couldn't vote in the poll because it was black and white, and when everyone is able to have input and opinions the atmosphere of this forum should appear in shades of gray. Gradations of positive AND negative. Zedo views things in only black and white. The negativity Z exudes toward SB34 is abject hatred. For me (and many others apparently) that conflict is casting a pall over the entire forum. Why can't people just self-regulate? The idea of "zero tolerance" and punishment for bad behavior irks me.

[Edmond Zedo]

I couldn't vote in the poll because it was black and white, and when everyone is able to have input and opinions the atmosphere of this forum should appear in shades of gray. Gradations of positive AND negative. Zedo views things in only black and white.
Maybe it is zedocentral.com then, hot shots.

[Miss Anthropic]

nice edit job!

[Stem]

This isn't zedocentral.com

:thelook: Sure seems that way.

[Edmond Zedo]

nice edit job!
I've always tried to quote only the phrases I'm responding to. Is that really a problem?

[Miss Anthropic]

I've always tried to quote only the phrases I'm responding to. Is that really a problem?
Nope. Not a problem at all. I was just commenting that it was good editing. Can't you take a compliment?

[Stem]

Zedo, what else are you good at besides the shit talking?

[booyalab]

"zedocentral"? what does that even mean? How is it helpful?

If one person can singlehandedly take over an entire forum, he probably deserves it more than the pansies who can't even collectively stop him.

[Stem]

If one person can singlehandedly take over an entire forum, he probably deserves it more than the pansies who can't even collectively stop him.


I hope that wasn't an attempt to defend him.

[songbird36]

May I humbly suggest this stuff be moved to the Bitch forum?

[Stem]

May I humbly suggest this stuff be moved to the Bitch forum?
Yes, go there and wait for us.

[songbird36]

OK

:lol:

[booyalab]

Here's my "psychoanalysis" of this situation: certain members are pining for the good old days and since it's not obviously going back to whatever ideal their imaginations have conjured up in place of a memory, they've decided to lay all of the blame on one member. Well now that certain members have found their scapegoat to fling shit at, let's see if all of the problems go away.

[Clara]

but emailing her threads I likeI tend to do the same (advertise the forum to others, if only for the sake of sharing interesting threads). Which ones did you find particularly interesting/outstanding?
Ditto. Suddenly, I'm reminded of two threads. One that just popped back up, "Irritating Philosophies," has a good exposition on Natural Law in it.... Another, newer, thread was about how we might sometimes use N in different situations, and various ways. There are several others... one on the Vatican Swiss Guard; Ascending & PonderBee's birthday thread; the most recent discussions of ecology ( others as well, that aren't springing to mind right now ).

[Stem]

Here's my "psychoanalysis" of this situation: certain members are pining for the good old days and since it's not obviously going back to whatever ideal their imaginations have conjured up in place of a memory, they've decided to lay all of the blame on one member. Well now that certain members have found their scapegoat to fling shit at, let's see if all of the problems go away.
You shouldn't get so close and talk, without first swallowing that. Your tounge is soiled with crusty zedo minis.

[MacGuffin]

Here's my "psychoanalysis" of this situation: certain members are pining for the good old days and since it's not obviously going back to whatever ideal their imaginations have conjured up in place of a memory, they've decided to lay all of the blame on one member. Well now that certain members have found their scapegoat to fling shit at, let's see if all of the problems go away.
I think they will.

Songbird will no longer have someone hammering nails into her = can no longer play the martyr.

And the Zedo followers will no longer have any threads to pile on.

[booyalab]

You shouldn't get so close and talk, without first swallowing that. Your tounge is soiled with crusty zedo minis.

that was funny, but you're still acting like a baby.

I'm obviously quite good at mediating inspite of relationship biases, since I refused to partake in the SB/mgbradsh/Zedo fights until i was dragged in, kicking and screaming. Also, maybe you'd like to calculate the ratio of zedo baiting: other people baiting posts over the past few pages to show me how wrong I am.

[booyalab]

I think they will.

Songbird will no longer have someone hammering nails into her = can no longer play the martyr.

And the Zedo followers will no longer have any threads to pile on.

It wont stop until EVERYONE stops. Maybe tomorrow when you've calmed down you should go back to this thread and consider some of your posts.

[MacGuffin]

It wont stop until EVERYONE stops. Maybe tomorrow when you've calmed down you should go back to this thread and consider some of your posts.
No, I was there at the beginning and tried to stay out of it for too long.

One poster started it all.

[booyalab]

One poster started it all.

see, the blame game is one of the main reasons we have this issue. It just turns into a competition to see who can perpetuate their own bitterness for the longest period of time.

[MacGuffin]

see, the blame game is one of the main reasons we have this issue. It just turns into a competition to see who can perpetuate their own bitterness for the longest period of time.
Fine. Ban them both.

But a martyr needs a persecutor.

[s]

Here's my "psychoanalysis" of this situation: certain members are pining for the good old days and since it's not obviously going back to whatever ideal their imaginations have conjured up in place of a memory, they've decided to lay all of the blame on one member. Well now that certain members have found their scapegoat to fling shit at, let's see if all of the problems go away.

Actually, it is not at all about finding a scapegoat or a rose coloured view of the past, but instead is the constant incessant babble that is shit all over the forum. Zedo vs Songbird... thread after thread. I cannot fucking stomach the half-witted drama, much less follow it. I do not care about any of you enough to "hate" you, but the sheer volume whiffs of spam. Yea, some of it was mildly amusing, but that was for a second like forever ago. Don't get your pleather panties in a wad, luv.

[booyalab]

It's gotten a lot better since the conspiracy theory shit died down. Maybe you guys should've exploded when everyone else did.

[Edmond Zedo]

Fine. Ban them both.

But a martyr needs a persecutor.
That was my idea, mo tro, as I said several days ago I'd sacrifice "myself" for the good of many on this forum in removing songbird34 forever.

[booyalab]

Fine. Ban them both.

But a martyr needs a persecutor.

dont you remember when songbird came back and zedo wasn't even required for any arguments involving her?

[jyakulis]

dont you remember when songbird came back and zedo wasn't even required for any arguments involving her?

This is besides the point. Their views are already set in stone from what I read. There is the ignore button. If he/they/me? bother you so much then utilize it. Why read posts in the bitch parlor if you don't want to. Post on something relevant. God knows I'm waiting for someone to.

[Stem]

This reminds me of the only Star Trek episode I enjoyed. It involved a disentagration room and an entire race of flawed peoples.

[Edmond Zedo]

Witness the horror.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=3397

Specifically:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=87486&postcount=58

[booyalab]

This is besides the point. Their views are already set in stone from what I read. There is the ignore button. If he/they/me? bother you so much then utilize it. Why read posts in the bitch parlor if you don't want to. Post on something relevant. God knows I'm waiting for someone to.

as far as I know, this is the only recent thread that has resembled a bitchfest besides that which is now in the bitching parlour.

[mgb]

So, what are we learning here? Things aren't completely positive.

Maybe we could have some suggestions that may lead to some positive improvements. Maybe with less finger pointing.

[s]

ThThere is the ignore button. If he/they/me? bother you so much then utilize it. Why read posts in the bitch parlor if you don't want to. Post on something relevant. God knows I'm waiting for someone to.

True, ignore WOULD reduce the forum by more than 10,000 posts a month.

[booyalab]

i keep saying this.....the finger pointing IS THE ONLY ISSUE......god damn

[booyalab]

personally, I dont think about this forum in terms of positive or negative, I dont *need* it to be anything. When it stops entertaining me I'll stop coming here.

[mgb]

Actually Mgbradsh, the discussion was about problems on the forum, and those 3 things I mentioned were an attempt to elicit views from you and others as to what I could do about the reasons behind my dispute with him. I genuinely wanted others' input on this as I've run out of ideas.

Those factors were not designed to "bait" Zedo or anything like that. The discussion was proceeding, and could have continued to proceed, without him, getting input of others about the reasons for his dislike of me. I was surprised that he responded; there was no need to.

Like I said, it was hardly the place.

[mgb]

i keep saying this.....the finger pointing IS THE ONLY ISSUE......god damn

So how do you solve the finger pointing without finger pointing?

[booyalab]

So how do you solve the finger pointing without finger pointing?

alternate looking at threads about actual matters with telling people to shut the fuck up in new and interesting ways? it doesn't solve the finger pointing, it makes you less angry

if it gets to a certain point, just ignore it.

[s]

personally, I dont think about this forum in terms of positive or negative, I dont *need* it to be anything. When it stops entertaining me I'll stop coming here.

I agree with you.

I have stopped posting for long stretches for that very reason.

[mgb]

alternate looking at threads about actual matters with telling people to shut the fuck up in new and interesting ways? it doesn't solve the finger pointing, it makes you less angry

if it gets to a certain point, just ignore it.

I suppose I was asking more for fc and in keeping with the nature of the thread.

I'm not having any aneurysms about this whole thing. I don't really care that much. For my part, I think my role is similar to garak's, just jumping in when I see inconsistantcies, then arguing. I don't find the fighting annoying enough to leave. But I enjoy being creative and finding interesting solutions to things, which is more why I don't want to see this thread degrade into the usual fight.

[booyalab]

Honestly, I dont think there are real/easy solutions for when people hate each other.

[mgb]

Honestly, I dont think there are real/easy solutions for when people hate each other.

I don't think there are easy solutions. But there is some real estate for truce.

[nobarcode]

Ditto. I am really tired of it too....Why can't people just self-regulate?
:banghead:

Because then there would be no admins. to scapegoat?

Fuck the good ol' days. The point is or could be the same now.

Thanks Miss Anthropic, and MacGuffin (actually, we need to go have a few beers some time). :cheers:

[Stem]

Now is the time to decide what we are going to do:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=3693

Never say you didn't have the chance.

[kafkaesque]

This is besides the point. Their views are already set in stone from what I read. There is the ignore button. If he/they/me? bother you so much then utilize it. Why read posts in the bitch parlor if you don't want to. Post on something relevant. God knows I'm waiting for someone to.

There is a post in the atelier about the general bias in visual art towards feeling over cognition. There has been some interesting replies there.

[Geoff]

Very negative the last month 3 or 4 weeks. I am tired of all the immature crap being chucked around, and quite frankly the bitching parlour just confirms the tendency people have to degenerate into the behaviour of (as MacGuffin put it) children on a sleepover.

I'm borderline out of here, because I dont actually see any noticeable threads progressing any discussions in worthwhile manner on interesting topics, and when they do progress they often then turn into minor bitch fests. The major bitchfests seem a bit calmer so maybe there is hope.

I dont have much, however. Like others have said, when it stops entertaining me I'll be out of here. And no doubt not missed, because I am not interested in bitchfesting :)

-Geoff

[SensEye]

I'm borderline out of here, because I dont actually see any noticeable threads progressing any discussions in worthwhile manner on interesting topics, and when they do progress they often then turn into minor bitch fests. The major bitchfests seem a bit calmer so maybe there is hope.

I dont have much, however. Like others have said, when it stops entertaining me I'll be out of here. And no doubt not missed, because I am not interested in bitchfesting :)

-GeoffSame. Signal to noise ratio is not good at the moment so I am not being entertained/interested. Unfortunately, I think all the people who feel the same as us are also borderline "out of here". Of course, this doesn't help any, it leaves only the people entertained by the noise remaining. *shrug*

I don't know about pining for the good old days, but I do recall when asked about "what do you like about INTP central?" A recurring theme was the lack of flame wars/lack of moderation required. Those days are sure gone, eh?

I wonder if f.c. has tuned out of the thread yet? He started this thread to get a feel for members perceptions of the forum but it has degenerated into another finger pointing/bitching excercise. Might be a lesson here about deleting posts from threads that go off the rails (I know f.c. was thinking what's the use?). Not much relating to the subject to be learned from the last 7 or 8 pages of posts.

Even as I type I wonder if anybody outside of the combatent group is still reading this thread. Probably not, which saps my motivation for further posting.

But to end on a postive note, this may blow over in a month or so, and S/N ratio will improve. EZ and SB are beyond the point of reason, but one would think they would eventually just get bored. To be honest, I can't believe they can be bothered to carry on even now.

[Geoff]

Yes, that is precisely it. The 'what do we like' was the acceptance of views and the lack of moderation. Ah well.

I'm probably just not nasty enough, I just want to have the odd interesting chat and enjoy people's company, not play word fight games.

-Geoff

[CosmicDust]

Even as I type I wonder if anybody outside of the combatent group is still reading this thread. Probably not, which saps my motivation for further posting.

I've been reading it.

[file cabinet]

Same. Signal to noise ratio is not good at the moment so I am not being entertained/interested. Unfortunately, I think all the people who feel the same as us are also borderline "out of here". Of course, this doesn't help any, it leaves only the people entertained by the noise remaining. *shrug*

I don't know about pining for the good old days, but I do recall when asked about "what do you like about INTP central?" A recurring theme was the lack of flame wars/lack of moderation required. Those days are sure gone, eh?
that's what it seems like(those days seem to be gone.. or they're still here but underneath the blanket of noise).


I wonder if f.c. has tuned out of the thread yet? He started this thread to get a feel for members perceptions of the forum but it has degenerated into another finger pointing/bitching excercise. Might be a lesson here about deleting posts from threads that go off the rails (I know f.c. was thinking what's the use?). Not much relating to the subject to be learned from the last 7 or 8 pages of posts.
I find it all.. disappointing(saddening?). I was not surprised this thread 'evolved' into what it is


Even as I type I wonder if anybody outside of the combatent group is still reading this thread. Probably not, which saps my motivation for further posting.

But to end on a postive note, this may blow over in a month or so, and S/N ratio will improve. EZ and SB are beyond the point of reason, but one would think they would eventually just get bored. To be honest, I can't believe they can be bothered to carry on even now.
I would say the problem is rather cyclical

[Clara]

that's what it seems like(those days seem to be gone.. or they're still here but underneath the blanket of noise).

I find it all.. disappointing(saddening?). I was not surprised this thread 'evolved' into what it is

I would say the problem is rather cyclical
One thing that aggravates me -- and I think it's a natural result, meaning, it takes effort to circumvent it... and that aggavates me, as well; that we then have to -- is how almost anything anyone says then gets viewed as maybe reflecting something about that noise. I mean, it then takes extra words and thoughts, to carefully say, this is about something outside of those debates...

Maybe it's cyclical, maybe ( hoping ) other cycles will come into play to replace the one we're talking-about-whether-we-want-to-or-not. :(

[matthew0028]

Positive, though after 200+ posts in under two weeks in January, I've only been back a handful of times. Much like a lot of things, it really had my interest, and then... it was more time than it was worth.

But a cool site, even if only for 2 weeks. :D