ENFP by the bullet, delivered via INTP

[relativity]

Center of attention
Generous with an unsaid, subtle expectation of attention in return
Obsessive compulsive about orderliness
Has a use for an INTP when their emotions are in a mess, where they will listen to and value the INTP, however afterwards will seemingly toss them aside & apologise or pretend the exchange never happened. They can also try and press the INTP's buttons to ensure that the INTP knows that they are the superior one afterall. This can distance the INTP - however no real grudges remain, as the INTP knows that this pedestal of perfection is unsustainable & an expression of insecurity. The INTP can also see this as self obsessive, and may not have thought any more about the interaction since.
Competitive
Jealous
Communicative
Funny (except when they're getting needy for attention then it becomes desperate, childish pleas for attention)
Capable of intellectually engaging with an INTP, but generally look down on them for their lack of gregariousness
Embarrassed at having valued the INTP thoughts, as they aren't delivered in feeling-coded ENFP terms
Hypocritical: they can display the same behaviour to an INTP, however when the INTP views this as the rule, they then get hurt when the INTP does it back to them
Generous: sometimes without expectation of return attention. The INTP can have a hard time accepting this generosity, as they can often feel undervalued by the ENFP. As such, the generosity can come across almost like a charitable gift
Say they like being given to, but often when they are given to they won't accept it
Dramatic. They can be victims when their values aren't met and they have to go on living in the world.
Gotta skidaddle! After taking over the conversation and relating everything back to themselves if anything is said by anyone else that isn't in a fun way then they tend to excuse themselves. INTP is left feeling used.
Inspirational: Great at making the INTP feel alive again and bringing out the fun side of things
Creative: INTP can really respect the ENFP's creativity that is applied in so many different ways
Respectful: INTP can also admire the ENFP's ability to achieve and get stuff done

[carbon cold]

Frankly, I find ENFPs incapable of a debate absent their emotions and personal experiences. I'm not really putting them down as individuals - but I live for discussion and debate when it concerns interpersonal relations. Thus, I have a much different dynamic.

My bullets, accordingly, are best summarized in this form -


ENFP approaches happily
XXXX stares blankly
Oh, this conclusion must be right because I [feel/experienced] this.
And how does that relate holistically?
It doesn't need to.
Oh. You should go away now.
I have just as much merit as anyone.
Okay. You should still go away.

[Roger Mexico]

Don't forget:

--Call me, ok? Please?

...

--Did you call me? Sorry, I was busy

[Technical]

I find them to be annoyingly awesome, and disgustingly attractive.

[Ace_]

OP, could you do that for ENTJ? :D

[Daaf]

Obsessive compulsive about orderliness:wtf:
Js are the compulsive types not Ps:mad:

An ENFP has the charm of ENTP only more,
ENFP has the love of discussion ENTP has, but no desire for conflict
(i.e. debate) So it's something like: :Let's brain storm but no1 HAS to
be right..well just go with our gut feel afterward...

I think they are just too sugary for the bitter-sweet INTP...

[stigmatica]

Quotes colorized with my comments.


Frankly, I find ENFPs incapable of a debate absent their emotions and personal experiences. I'm not really putting them down as individuals - but I live for discussion and debate when it concerns interpersonal relations. Thus, I have a much different dynamic.

My bullets, accordingly, are best summarized in this form -


ENFP approaches happily
XXXX stares blankly
Oh, this conclusion must be right because I [feel/experienced] this. This problem only arises when certain subjects are broached as a personal opinion by one person, and then gets put up for debate by someone with a different opinion with more detailed information on the subject. For example, I eat a brand of chocolate bar 6 months ago, and remember that I loved the taste, but nothing else. Someone has tried one that day, disagrees, and decides to debate the point. While I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I personally liked the chocolate bar based on a feeling remembered, I'm in no way equipped to argue the why's of it unless I go eat another one. However, that doesn't change the fact that I KNOW I like it, and no amount of breakdown of exactly HOW it tastes will change my mind. It is also still a valuable piece of data for others to know that at least one other person out there likes how the bar tastes, which increases the chances that they may also like it. This doesn't apply to some things, obviously, like global warming, or math, but certainly applies to opinions on books, food, cinema, physical activities, sports, etc...
And how does that relate holistically?
It doesn't need to.
Oh. You should go away now.
I have just as much merit as anyone.
Okay. You should still go away.

OK... stereotyping myself for the sake of this thread using my emotions and personal experience then. :mellow:


Don't forget:

--Call me, ok? Please?

...

--Did you call me? Sorry, I was busy
LMAO - I can't deny that one, I've done that 100 times or more.




Center of attention Sometimes
Generous with an unsaid, subtle expectation of attention in return Sometimes
Obsessive compulsive about orderliness NEVER
Has a use for an INTP when their emotions are in a mess, where they will listen to and value the INTP, however afterwards will seemingly toss them aside & apologise or pretend the exchange never happened. They can also try and press the INTP's buttons to ensure that the INTP knows that they are the superior one afterall. This can distance the INTP - however no real grudges remain, as the INTP knows that this pedestal of perfection is unsustainable & an expression of insecurity. The INTP can also see this as self obsessive, and may not have thought any more about the interaction since.
No no, nothing to do with INTP or ENFP... applies to anyone discussing a subject matter for which they clearly do not understand, and at the same time refuse to listen to reason or understand a fundamental point of view besides their own that clearly makes more sense than theirs. A good analogy would be most of the people here discussing evolution with a hardcore fundamentalist creationist.
Competitive Yes
Jealous NEVER
Communicative Sometimes
Funny (except when they're getting needy for attention then it becomes desperate, childish pleas for attention) Sometimes
Capable of intellectually engaging with an INTP, but generally look down on them for their lack of gregariousness
Looking down for lack of gregariousness? No. Frustrated by the lack of understanding for the desire for it in others? Yes. Do I find all INTP's lack gregariousness? No. Does that mean they're not "true" INTP's? Pffft, does it really matter?
Embarrassed at having valued the INTP thoughts, as they aren't delivered in feeling-coded ENFP terms
Feeling-coded? Embarrassed? I value non-feeling coded thoughts freely without embarrassment, however, knowing how an experience "feels" can be just as important as knowing how it went mechanically, especially old experiences, as we tend to lose the details, but retain the feelings associated. To throw that out as unworthy of mention is still a loss of data.
Hypocritical: they can display the same behaviour to an INTP, however when the INTP views this as the rule, they then get hurt when the INTP does it back to them NEVER
Generous: sometimes without expectation of return attention. The INTP can have a hard time accepting this generosity, as they can often feel undervalued by the ENFP. As such, the generosity can come across almost like a charitable gift Sometimes
Say they like being given to, but often when they are given to they won't accept it Sometimes
Dramatic. They can be victims when their values aren't met and they have to go on living in the world. Dramatic? Never, unless for comic relief.
Gotta skidaddle! After taking over the conversation and relating everything back to themselves if anything is said by anyone else that isn't in a fun way then they tend to excuse themselves. INTP is left feeling used. Sometimes
Inspirational: Great at making the INTP feel alive again and bringing out the fun side of things I'll go with that, though I don't really know.
Creative: INTP can really respect the ENFP's creativity that is applied in so many different ways Sometimes
Respectful: INTP can also admire the ENFP's ability to achieve and get stuff done Sometimes

[carbon cold]

This problem only arises when certain subjects are broached as a personal opinion by one person, and then gets put up for debate by someone with a different opinion with more detailed information on the subject. For example, I eat a brand of chocolate bar 6 months ago, and remember that I loved the taste, but nothing else. Someone has tried one that day, disagrees, and decides to debate the point. While I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I personally liked the chocolate bar based on a feeling remembered, I'm in no way equipped to argue the why's of it unless I go eat another one. However, that doesn't change the fact that I KNOW I like it, and no amount of breakdown of exactly HOW it tastes will change my mind. It is also still a valuable piece of data for others to know that at least one other person out there likes how the bar tastes, which increases the chances that they may also like it. This doesn't apply to some things, obviously, like global warming, or math, but certainly applies to opinions on books, food, cinema, physical activities, sports, etc...

I um.. I know? Sorry, I thought that was implied. Several things are determined by subjective experience. I don't really care for discussing those things in any great depth and if forced to only converse about things in this manner, I don't see the damn point.

[digesthisickness]

carbon cold: # Oh, this conclusion must be right because I [feel/experienced] this.

stigmata: This problem only arises when certain subjects are broached as a personal opinion by one person, and then gets put up for debate by someone with a different opinion with more detailed information on the subject. For example, I eat a brand of chocolate bar 6 months ago, and remember that I loved the taste, but nothing else. Someone has tried one that day, disagrees, and decides to debate the point. While I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I personally liked the chocolate bar based on a feeling remembered, I'm in no way equipped to argue the why's of it unless I go eat another one. However, that doesn't change the fact that I KNOW I like it, and no amount of breakdown of exactly HOW it tastes will change my mind. It is also still a valuable piece of data for others to know that at least one other person out there likes how the bar tastes, which increases the chances that they may also like it. This doesn't apply to some things, obviously, like global warming, or math, but certainly applies to opinions on books, food, cinema, physical activities, sports, etc...

she didn't say it was a fact, but an opinion based on experience, therefore i find it interesting that you're arguing for your and your type's right to do this while ignoring her right to do the same.

that to me is as ridiculous as it would be for me to argue with Daaf about his opinion of ENFPs being 'better' than ENTPs.

which leads me to one reason i get annoyed with ENFPs. when they try to argue people into liking and/or respecting them while claiming they don't care. yet, yap yap yap...

[Etherealsage]

OP sounds like an immature NF, lol.

[digesthisickness]

OP sounds like an immature NF, lol.

i read it as someone who is in the midst of a love/hate relationship with one and pissed with himself about it.

[last_caress]

my sister is enfp. not sure I know others.


talks A LOT
needs to be constantly reminded to get to the point

[Chloe]

ENFP has the love of discussion ENTP has, but no desire for conflict
(i.e. debate) So it's something like: :Let's brain storm but no1 HAS to
be right..well just go with our gut feel afterward...

this is straight to the point.

[Stryfe]

I dated an ENFP for 5 years. I'd say the OP only rings about 1/3rd true from my experience.

However this...

Don't forget:

--Call me, ok? Please?

...

--Did you call me? Sorry, I was busy...is right on the money

[stuck]

ENFP has the love of discussion ENTP has, but no desire for conflict
(i.e. debate) So it's something like: :Let's brain storm but no1 HAS to
be right..well just go with our gut feel afterward...

That's how I am too.

No fucking desire for conflict. Love debate.

[Stryfe]

That's how I am too.

No fucking desire for conflict. Love debate.Yeah, that's how the discussions with my ENFP went as well. It was definitely more brainstorming than conflict. That's fine by me though, I'm not much for conflict either. We were both strong with Ne so it was play for us.

[Technical]

That's how I am too.

No fucking desire for conflict. Love debate.
I think the funny thing about it is the definition of conflict, by type. ENTPs love to play Devil's Advocate, and haphazardly disagree with peoples' positions. Because it's the interaction which pleases them most, and not the Great Search for Truth, as in the INTP. So, what's not conflict to you may be seen as a ludicrous attack by an INTP, and he will defend his position with ferocity.

[stigmatica]

I um.. I know? Sorry, I thought that was implied. Several things are determined by subjective experience. I don't really care for discussing those things in any great depth and if forced to only converse about things in this manner, I don't see the damn point.
Yes, it was implied, and I know you know, it was just a brain dump of my own rationality for deciding that statement didn't apply to me.

I was basically just going down everyone's list trying to describe what I felt was true for me, as an ENFP, and what wasn't. I felt your statement was true for me, but only in the narrow sense I defined, so I couldn't deny it without spelling out my caveat. I really wasn't even thinking of it as an argument, other than to say that the statement doesn't apply to this particular ENFP (minus my caveat).


she didn't say it was a fact, but an opinion based on experience, therefore i find it interesting that you're arguing for your and your type's right to do this while ignoring her right to do the same.

that to me is as ridiculous as it would be for me to argue with Daaf about his opinion of ENFPs being 'better' than ENTPs.

which leads me to one reason i get annoyed with ENFPs. when they try to argue people into liking and/or respecting them while claiming they don't care. yet, yap yap yap...
sigh... you are a professional at misreading intentions. Where did I say carbon couldn't express anything based on experiences/feelings? I think it would be awesome if she did, and think it's awesome when she does! I don't care what type she is. You, on the other hand, seem to have a true dislike for me, and always have. I will not disagree that I annoy you ;)

[digesthisickness]

sigh... you are a professional at misreading intentions. Where did I say carbon couldn't express anything based on experiences/feelings? I think it would be awesome if she did, and think it's awesome when she does! I don't care what type she is. You, on the other hand, seem to have a true dislike for me, and always have. I will not disagree that I annoy you ;)

please stop thinking that everything i say to you has to do with how i feel about you. i've already addressed this once. believe it or not, i don't feel any way about you at all.

that said, way to prove my point.

[mgb]

please stop thinking that everything i say to you has to do with how i feel about you. i've already addressed this once. believe it or not, i don't feel any way about you at all.

that said, way to prove my point.

I saw a whole bunch of colors and just skipped it altogether.

Which brings up an interesting point.

[stigmatica]

please stop thinking that everything i say to you has to do with how i feel about you. i've already addressed this once. i don't feel any way about you at all.

that said, way to prove my point.

lol - your points of view are so foreign to me, I'll admit I have a hard time seeing things from your perspective. Reminds me of the "Faded Sun Trilogy" I just reviewed, actually.

[LowEnd]

I find them to be annoyingly awesome, and disgustingly attractive.

seconded

The only woman I've ever met who could be said to have had a great sense of humour of her own, was ENFP.

[attila_the_hunny]

I saw a whole bunch of colors and just skipped it altogether.

Which brings up an interesting point.

Often enough when I see anything other than the default color and text, I skip the post. It could be the most awesome and mind-blowing post, but once I see colors, I'm scrolling down.


To the OP: You forgot to mention they are awesome the bed.

[thenightwasglory]

Don't forget:

--Call me, ok? Please?

...

--Did you call me? Sorry, I was busy


I find them to be annoyingly awesome, and disgustingly attractive.

yes and yes.

OP seems angry, but mostly accurate. *shrug*

[t_x]

So, what's not conflict to you may be seen as a ludicrous attack by an INTP, and he will defend his position with ferocity.Agree 100% with this, something both types should be aware of.

The only dead giveaway I've noticed in ENFPs is their extreme positivity & dislike of any kind of negativity. And they crack me up..love them for that...even if their humor sometimes is a little immature...But when I start trying to joke along with them I'll say something that is only 65% positive and then they hate me. :sadbanana: They also seem sorta fixated on fitness/their bodies...heh..but they beat every other type (on average) when it comes to innuendo/flirting. I think what separates them from ENTPs is: we want to brainstorm with others based on logical reasoning; they want to have a discussion based on subjective reasoning. Neither is more correct obviously, just different...

Anyone else find this?

[bass_n_treble]

An ENFP got me into the Keirsey Temperament Sorter...

she's a sweetheart but insists on calling my cell phone, especially at weird hours, even after I tell her this is unacceptable. (Besides the fact that I hate the phone, I told her directly stop calling me after 11:00pm--I will not answer.)

11:30 - drunken voicemail,"Why aren't you picking upppppppp? <whiiiiiiine>"

I really, really don't get it. :dont:


Agree 100&#37; with this, something both types should be aware of.

The only dead giveaway I've noticed in ENFPs is their extreme positivity & dislike of any kind of negativity. And they crack me up..love them for that...even if their humor sometimes is a little immature...But when I start trying to joke along with them I'll say something that is only 65% positive and then they hate me. :sadbanana: They also seem sorta fixated on fitness/their bodies...heh..but they beat every other type (on average) when it comes to innuendo/flirting. I think what separates them from ENTPs is: we want to brainstorm with others based on logical reasoning; they want to have a discussion based on subjective reasoning. Neither is more correct obviously, just different...

Anyone else find this?

My cynical, sarcastic humor is often just straight up ignored. It's actually kind of funny, because upon processing this humor fail, I'll begin laughing at myself, which inevitably makes me look insane because to the outside world it looks like I'm laughing at nothing.

And, I would say ESFJs are probably +1 on the flirting, maybe more so than ENFPs, from personal experience.

ENFP: 'Oh, you're different. Alright.'
ESFJ: 'Oh, he's different. WOW!!! YAY!!! <jumps around> HEY!!! DON'T BE SAD!!! HAVE FUN!!!!'

Honestly, I find the latter addicting, granted her voice is pleasant. (Voice is so important to me in attraction.)

[t_x]

..laughing at myself, which inevitably makes me look insane because to the outside world it looks like I'm laughing at nothing...Haha, I think I know exactly what you mean.

[lassulfla]

OP sounds like an immature NF, lol.

Great little topic.
And Nice work--thank you for sharing- for me this makes perfect sense though.

[Pristinegirl]

Don't forget:

--Call me, ok? Please?

...

--Did you call me? Sorry, I was busy


I relate so much to this haha Ive always thought it was because I tend to 'run' though.

[Pristinegirl]

THIS is what life is like for an ENFP:


Dior Miss Cherie

[silly sally]

Center of attention
Generous with an unsaid, subtle expectation of attention in return
Obsessive compulsive about orderliness
Has a use for an INTP when their emotions are in a mess, where they will listen to and value the INTP, however afterwards will seemingly toss them aside & apologise or pretend the exchange never happened. They can also try and press the INTP's buttons to ensure that the INTP knows that they are the superior one afterall. This can distance the INTP - however no real grudges remain, as the INTP knows that this pedestal of perfection is unsustainable & an expression of insecurity. The INTP can also see this as self obsessive, and may not have thought any more about the interaction since.
Competitive
Jealous
Communicative
Funny (except when they're getting needy for attention then it becomes desperate, childish pleas for attention)
Capable of intellectually engaging with an INTP, but generally look down on them for their lack of gregariousness
Embarrassed at having valued the INTP thoughts, as they aren't delivered in feeling-coded ENFP terms
Hypocritical: they can display the same behaviour to an INTP, however when the INTP views this as the rule, they then get hurt when the INTP does it back to them
Generous: sometimes without expectation of return attention. The INTP can have a hard time accepting this generosity, as they can often feel undervalued by the ENFP. As such, the generosity can come across almost like a charitable gift
Say they like being given to, but often when they are given to they won't accept it
Dramatic. They can be victims when their values aren't met and they have to go on living in the world.
Gotta skidaddle! After taking over the conversation and relating everything back to themselves if anything is said by anyone else that isn't in a fun way then they tend to excuse themselves. INTP is left feeling used.
Inspirational: Great at making the INTP feel alive again and bringing out the fun side of things
Creative: INTP can really respect the ENFP's creativity that is applied in so many different ways
Respectful: INTP can also admire the ENFP's ability to achieve and get stuff done



i don't really know what all that is about or why...but one thing i'd like to explain is...

when you are discussing something with an enfp and they share something similar that happened to them...please get that that is how we relate to people...we are empathizing ... it's our way of letting you know we understand...and get what that feels like....i understand that it looks like we just want to talk about ourselves...and i hate that...it's just this back and forth sharing thing we do...it makes us feel close to people.

[silly sally]

Obsessive compulsive about orderliness:wtf:
Js are the compulsive types not Ps:mad:

An ENFP has the charm of ENTP only more,
ENFP has the love of discussion ENTP has, but no desire for conflict
(i.e. debate) So it's something like: :Let's brain storm but no1 HAS to
be right..well just go with our gut feel afterward...

I think they are just too sugary for the bitter-sweet INTP...

totally can be obsessive compulsive but ime not about orderliness...for real wtf.

and yeah...i don't really do debate either...it is more of a brainstorming thing...some enfps seem to like to but they must be more entpish or something...idk.

[Technical]

...i don't really do debate either...
Huh? Can you even back that statement up?

[silly sally]

she didn't say it was a fact, but an opinion based on experience, therefore i find it interesting that you're arguing for your and your type's right to do this while ignoring her right to do the same.

that to me is as ridiculous as it would be for me to argue with Daaf about his opinion of ENFPs being 'better' than ENTPs.

which leads me to one reason i get annoyed with ENFPs. when they try to argue people into liking and/or respecting them while claiming they don't care. yet, yap yap yap...

you know what digest...i don't know about other enfps...but i'm thinking i might do that...the explain...defend whatever...but...totally don't really care...must be annoying but the screwed up thing...is it's true...it's like...a compulsion to explain it from our perspective...and then just do whatever ya want with it...unaffected by the outcome...weird...i wonder if as an entp you ever feel the need to argue your point...just because it's important they hear the truth as you see it? or just not bother if their opinion doesn't matter? just curious...

[silly sally]

Huh? Can you even back that statement up?

i'd happily discuss possible reasons for it if you'd like...:p

[Technical]

i'd happily discuss possible reasons for it if you'd like...:p
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/995290158_9229681083.jpg

[digesthisickness]

you know what digest...i don't know about other enfps...but i'm thinking i might do that...the explain...defend whatever...but...totally don't really care...must be annoying but the screwed up thing...is it's true...it's like...a compulsion to explain it from our perspective...and then just do whatever ya want with it...unaffected by the outcome...weird...i wonder if as an entp you ever feel the need to argue your point...just because it's important they hear the truth as you see it? or just not bother if their opinion doesn't matter? just curious...

before i reply, that chronic use of either ellipses or lack of periods to separate thoughts should be noted if it hasn't already.

now, on to the answer. i debate with people who are interested in getting to the truth while actually hearing the other person. if it's clear that they refuse to see another's point of view, then i don't bother. there's better things to do. much better things.

that said, i didn't mean all enfps. i meant the ones that annoy me and cause me to just give up and walk away. it just so happens that most do that, that's all.

[silly sally]

okay...so does that mean you're open to being wrong? that you are also keeping an open mind and will hear the others view and might be convinced? finding the truth is the intent...not proving your point necessarily?

if so...it seems pretty similar to the way enfps discuss things...or is it through the challenging of ideas that the truth is discovered and it's not the same as brainstorming?

and that last bit is funny...i guess that means my response seemed defensive? interesting...wasn't intended that way.

[digesthisickness]

okay...so does that mean you're open to being wrong? that you are also keeping an open mind and will hear the others view and might be convinced? finding the truth is the intent...not proving your point necessarily?

good god, yes. i'd probably fall in love with the guy that could prove me wrong. actually, i have. so, of course, that means i'm a listener too. debate can't be one-sided and still be legitimately called 'debate'.


if so...it seems pretty similar to the way enfps discuss things...or is it through the challenging of ideas that the truth is discovered and it's not the same as brainstorming?

i do it both ways. enfps (the ones that annoy me), tend to just fall back on the other 'being retarded' and not worth listening to if they dare to be too objective when discussing and/or picking a subject matter.


and that last bit is funny...i guess that means my response seemed defensive? interesting...wasn't intended that way.

huh? no. i was only clarifying the post of mine that originally spawned your questions.

however, NOW you seem kind of defensive. *sigh*

[avolkiteshvara]

it's true...it's like...a compulsion to explain it from our perspective...and then just do whatever ya want with it...unaffected by the outcome...weird...i wonder if as an entp you ever feel the need to argue your point...just because it's important they hear the truth as you see it? or just not bother if their opinion doesn't matter? just curious...

Anyone else LOL at this?

[Hermione]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/995290158_9229681083.jpg

'scuze me while I steal this cat. This kitten is the best. I'm taking it.. it needs me. Now back to the brainstorming poopah troopers. Don't fucking get pissy either.

[Bking]

The enfp that I know validates her ridiculous, dramafilled problems on her "spontanuity." Its really quite amazing how she perceives life. Memories to her almost seem like they come with skill points.Always searching for a good memory that they can experience and add to the list.

She seems to always feel like her past experiences are running after her. And if she slows down everything will catch up with her.

[mastero]

ENFP = happyface / sadface colorful balloon that floats around.


THIS is what life is like for an ENFP

I like this description too.

[Roger Mexico]

The enfp that I know validates her ridiculous, dramafilled problems on her "spontanuity." Its really quite amazing how she perceives life. Memories to her almost seem like they come with skill points.Always searching for a good memory that they can experience and add to the list.

She seems to always feel like her past experiences are running after her. And if she slows down everything will catch up with her.

I think "Spontanuity" just gave us all our money's worth for this thread.

[digesthisickness]

i agree. that was priceless.

[1104]

ENFP- thinks disclosure is universally gratifying, and some people are just too intimidated

[Ill eagle]

I find them to be annoyingly awesome, and disgustingly attractive.

That's strange and true, because I view them the same way.

lmao.

[md5fungi]

Well-developed, supple breasts

[fripping]

that sometimes turn out to be padded bras.

[Stryfe]

that sometimes turn out to be padded bras.The ENFP I dated had massive boobs and had a breast reduction but they are still massive and now also awesomely perky.

[fripping]

The ENFP I dated had massive boobs and had a breast reduction but they are still massive and now also awesomely perky.

lucky you, the enfp i always used to shamelessly flirt with stuffed her shirt.

small boobs are tolerable but fake ones are a letdown. :(

[joley]

Oh lord. I don't even know what to say. I apologize on behalf of all ENFPs that act in such retarded manners....

[Karma Beacon]

I found your post really thought-provoking, and in the name of navelgazing I have no choice to adress its points as I see them.

Center of attention
I can only run from that one when hell freeezes over.

Generous with an unsaid, subtle expectation of attention in return
I'd definitly rather have someone pay attention than favors, yes. I don't always like it the other way around, though.

Obsessive compulsive about orderliness
Can't identify with that particular one. I need to be in control, but not nescessarily order. And I need to be in control to stay connected to the ground, lest I daydream too much and slip off the face of the Earth.

Has a use for an INTP when their emotions are in a mess, where they will listen to and value the INTP, however afterwards will seemingly toss them aside & apologise or pretend the exchange never happened. They can also try and press the INTP's buttons to ensure that the INTP knows that they are the superior one afterall. This can distance the INTP - however no real grudges remain, as the INTP knows that this pedestal of perfection is unsustainable & an expression of insecurity. The INTP can also see this as self obsessive, and may not have thought any more about the interaction since.
As an ENFP, I press buttons because I see everything as a game, and I want to figure things' nature out. It sounds funny, but you should be
glad if an EFNP cares enough to find yout buttons. Because EFNPs do not believe in controlling or restraining people, the person does not view
you as a plaything, even if you feel you're being toyed with. As for the piedestal, I guess one can only hope that the EFNP learns with time to appreciate they are not always right.

Competitive
I have a friendly, 'unspoken rivalry' with a couple close friends. The rivalry is more about bringing out the best in each of us, than beating each other. To me, at least.

Jealous
When it comes to peers, yes. Not regarding people I can't closely identify with, since I see them as different beings altogether.

Communicative
Always. The day I can't honestly express myself is the day I die.

Funny (except when they're getting needy for attention then it becomes desperate, childish pleas for attention)
I don't mind giving up the spotlight to someone else and cheer them on. If the spotlight is handed
to someone who doesn't appreciate attention, I hope to seee them learn to appreciat it. It's not like it's hard for me to
get attention later, when it's more appropriate. I've learned that it creates synergy to share the spotlight.

Capable of intellectually engaging with an INTP, but generally look down on them for their lack of gregariousness
Embarrassed at having valued the INTP thoughts, as they aren't delivered in feeling-coded ENFP terms
I admire people who don't let emotions cloud their judgment, so I can't identify with that one. The only people I'd biased to look down on, would be Sensors.
Because some of my Sensor friends have no imagination, and I can't imagine what life would be like without it.

Hypocritical: they can display the same behaviour to an INTP, however when the INTP views this as the rule, they then get hurt when the INTP does it back to them
Not understood.

Generous: sometimes without expectation of return attention. The INTP can have a hard time accepting this generosity, as they can often feel undervalued by the ENFP. As such, the generosity can come across almost like a charitable gift
Say they like being given to, but often when they are given to they won't accept it
I don't like recieving, no. If I want something bad enough, I'll get it on my own. I like giving things, which may be part of the
obsessive compulsiveness others have mentioned in the thread. When I give something, I am more in control than when I get something.
Does that make sense?

Dramatic. They can be victims when their values aren't met and they have to go on living in the world.
True. Probably my Achilles' heel. When the universe isn't as endless and open as I normally percieve it, I get depressed.

Gotta skidaddle! After taking over the conversation and relating everything back to themselves if anything is said by anyone else that isn't in a fun way then they tend to excuse themselves. INTP is left feeling used.
I had a good friend whom I think felt exposed after discussing personal stuff. The issue was that I was his best friend, and he didn't understand that all my friends are my best friends. As an ENFP I think it's common to have a special connection with everyone in my life. But my friend only had a connection with me, and couldn't understand how I liked everyone the same in slightly different ways. I don't speak with him anymore, but I'll bet he still thinks of me as being duplicitous.

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Oh lord. I don't even know what to say. I apologize on behalf of all ENFPs that act in such retarded manners....

Me too at first, yet to me it sounds like the issue is mostly that OP's friend is immature, not the friend's Type.

As for the part about EFNPs being unable to debate, and being persistent in The(ir) Right Way Which Everyone Should Agree with, I follow most of it. However I love contrast, and even if I'm not always keen on conflict, I don't mind being contradicted. Because to me, debate isn't about you getting to my Point A or me getting to your Point B, but both of us sharing our knowledge and experience to both arrive at Point C.