Bring Zedo back

[garak]

I don't think he deserved a perma-ban. Do you?

[Claverhouse]

Yes.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Miss Anthropic]

He had plenty of opportunity to avoid sb, and vice-versa, yet they both continued to follow each other around poking and spitting at each other. Remember this when you have kids. Third, fourth, fifth etc. chances lead to worse behavior.

[s0978]

I don't think he should've been banned. I didn't know the guy (didn't have a real feel for his personality), but anyone would've started snarling and biting at all that baiting and trolling.

[s]

Spam.

If the US does not have a true democracy, why would an online forum with free membership?

Move on or start your own INTP forum. Lets us know how it goes.

[garak]

He had plenty of opportunity to avoid sb, and vice-versa, yet they both continued to follow each other around poking and spitting at each other. Remember this when you have kids. Third, fourth, fifth etc. chances lead to worse behavior.
I don't see it as another chance -- I simply don't think he should have ever been banned. Sure, he's extremely outspoken, but that doesn't bother me. I think if sb never entered the picture, zedo would still be the "loud crazy guy with the quotes." But that's why I made a poll -- I realize that my opinion doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.

[garak]

Spam.

If the US does not have a true democracy, why would an online forum with free membership?

Move on or start your own INTP forum. Lets us know how it goes.
When did I say we should have a true democracy? I'm simply seeing how much support there is for my position -- and if there's a lot, then maybe something will happen. Maybe not.

Your "like it or leave it" attitude is pretty unhelpful. Hey why don't we just get rid of the suggestion forums altogether?

WTF is your problem?

[s]

Whiny people.

[ppc]

Whiny people.

Do you want me to call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for you?

[Star]

Whiny people.

And your opinion matters so much. You've contributed nothing to this forum, the entire time I've been here, except some inside jokes.

What-the-fuck-ever.

[Miss Anthropic]

I don't see it as another chance -- I simply don't think he should have ever been banned. Sure, he's extremely outspoken, but that doesn't bother me. I think if sb never entered the picture, zedo would still be the "loud crazy guy with the quotes." But that's why I made a poll -- I realize that my opinion doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.
You really don't see that he had a choice in how he acted and reacted? I said third, fourth etc chance because they both were banned for a couple of days and when they came back (second chance) they went right back at each other. Its isn't like Zedo was a victim.

[ppc]

It certainly takes two but honestly, we all think she is an idiot.

Why not put it up to a vote to see who gets banned and who can stay?

[garak]

You really don't see that he had a choice in how he acted and reacted? I said third, fourth etc chance because they both were banned for a couple of days and when they came back (second chance) they went right back at each other. Its isn't like Zedo was a victim.
I know but I don't think he should have been banned ever. That's why I don't see it as "chances."

Yes of course he had a choice, but nonetheless, I think that with sb out of the picture, he's overall an asset to the forums. No one here has ever had to work with someone they hated? Didn't you tend to lash out at them occasionally when you had a good opportunity? Shouldn't you have restrained yourself? Personally I can understand why Zedo didn't let up on sb. On the other hand, I have about zero understanding of why sb acted as she did.

[MacGuffin]

Yes of course he had a choice, but nonetheless, I think that with sb out of the picture, he's overall an asset to the forums. No one here has ever had to work with someone they hated? Didn't you tend to lash out at them occasionally when you had a good opportunity? Shouldn't you have restrained yourself? Personally I can understand why Zedo didn't let up on sb. On the other hand, I have about zero understanding of why sb acted as she did.
I disagree with all of that. It is an internet forum, no one is forced to "work" here.

[garak]

I disagree with all of that. It is an internet forum, no one is forced to "work" here.
And no one is forced to work where they do. The allure of a place like this (wow a bunch of people just like me!) for the intended user (an introverted loner weirdo) is hardly something to dismiss.

[Miss Anthropic]

I know but I don't think he should have been banned ever. That's why I don't see it as "chances."

Yes of course he had a choice, but nonetheless, I think that with sb out of the picture, he's overall an asset to the forums. No one here has ever had to work with someone they hated? Didn't you tend to lash out at them occasionally when you had a good opportunity? Shouldn't you have restrained yourself? Personally I can understand why Zedo didn't let up on sb. On the other hand, I have about zero understanding of why sb acted as she did.
I think that "lash out occasionally" is an understatement of the situation.
The difference is you liked EZ. I didn't like EZ any more than I disliked SB. What I really disliked was the interaction between the two of them.

[MacGuffin]

And no one is forced to work where they do. The allure of a place like this (wow a bunch of people just like me!) for the intended user (an introverted loner weirdo) is hardly something to dismiss.
And you'd think that "wow" factor would keep people from crapping all over it. Guess not.

[garak]

I think that "lash out occasionally" is an understatement of the situation.
The difference is you liked EZ. I didn't like EZ any more than I disliked SB. What I really disliked was the interaction between the two of them.
Ah yes, true. Good analogies are hard to come by.

But my main point is that Zedo's character was not defined by his interaction with sb. That was the "anti-sb" Zedo -- take her out of the picture, and that "mode" of his also disappeared. On the other hand, sb did what she did to Zedo to many others.

[s]

Do you want me to call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for you?

Could you? Thanks.

[chuckle]


Oh, and be sure to call for those who complain about the quality of their free email accounts, pirated software and MP3's.

[Sackanaka]

I thought Zedo also agreed to be a martyr. How happy do you think he would be if we make him eat his words like that?

Honor the dead.

[garak]

Oh, and be sure to call for those who complain about the quality of their free email accounts, pirated software and MP3's.
I hereby bestow you with the most ridiculous comparison of the thread award. 8O

[jyakulis]

I hereby bestow you with the most ridiculous comparison of the thread award. 8O


lol yeah wow I didn't even get that till you replied.

[philonightmare]

I haven't been here long enough to really experience the consequences of EZ-SB interactions, but from what I've seen they both seemed to have a bit of fun baiting each other on the few threads I've read.

I think the point of having INTPcentral (at least to me) was the same as what garak said, for introverted, loner, weirdos who are just like me! So what if some people can't get along, the analogy of the workplace was a good one for this. I'm just sad to see EZ's often wickedly funny comments go away. :/

Sorry, I'm just the detached observer here... Besides, I've seen worse from several people and they've not as much "publicity" as Zedo, and therefore don't bear the brunt of all this. You can't just evict all of those that seem disagreeable to you, that isn't right and neither is tolerating too much vitriol behavior, but it never seemed as bad as some have made it out to be. I don't feel like arguing about this, I'm just giving my two cents.

[MasterMerk]

Let it be, whatever. Who cares? Zedo probably doesn't, after all he said himself he was willing to be banned. Move it along.

[garak]

Let it be, whatever. Who cares? Zedo probably doesn't, after all he said himself he was willing to be banned. Move it along.
Considering the participation in this thread, quite a few people care.

(but of course you're free to "move it along")

[MasterMerk]

That's the problem with INTPs, they care way too much. :P

I say if he wants to come back, let the ban off after a month and see how it goes. Otherwise, don't worry about it.

[coffeezombie]

The only real difference between Songbird and Zedo is that Zedo has more goons/girlfriends to stick up for him. Not even an INTP but an annoyingly immature INTJ. Good riddance.

[garak]

The only real difference between Songbird and Zedo is that Zedo has more goons/girlfriends to stick up for him. Not even an INTP but an annoyingly immature INTJ. Good riddance.
I would agree that he can be annoyingly immature, but the rest of what you're saying is pretty out there to me.

[DevNull]

I would agree that he can be annoyingly immature, but the rest of what you're saying is pretty out there to me.

I would like to temper that "annoyingly immature" assessment with my perception of the fact that the immaturity is not a character flaw, but a natural progression that could have been dealt with a tad bit better here in INTP land. Banning is so final. I was an Edmond Zedo once, and my inner voice is *still* screaming the same things as I have read and enjoyed from his keyboard. I have learned a certain degree of tact and patience to deal with the dumbass Songbirds that come along in my many years of internet interaction. Yes, EZ may well... nay, *will* learn something from the banning, but we will be deprived of witnessing the evolution and all the happy-ass outcome stuff.

I think Atlas will shrug on this one.

[tragula]

When I started on this board he jumped on every single post I made with some snarky comment.

At first it was amusing, then annoying and eventually just irritating. I didn't take the bait, though I shot back lightly a couple of times.

He seemed to take a strong instinctive dislike to some people. Probably because he has a sixth sense for who has a strong personality and just seeks them out and pokes them.

[DevNull]

He seemed to take a strong instinctive dislike

I have always respected his instinct. I have respected it since day one. He has never over-needled anyone who did not deserve it... even though his primary needling (and well-deserved second-level needling) may have offended many.

Take away his perceived immaturity (as time often does), and you have a juggernaut of laudable INTP happiness.

I guess this labels me as an EZ "goon". I am who I am. The INTP self-discovery process is never ending and he was, is, and always will be, a rising star wherever he goes until that "immaturity" wears off. Then he will become like me. Lurking and learning, rather than actively fucking up stuff and learning.

[Geoff]

If you read through the death threats thread (Now locked) in the bitching parlour, which is what probably finished this - please do so before portraying him as a victim. This was not 'occasional lashing out'

SB was trying to leave this alone at the end, it appears.

Edit : re the above. A rising star? Well... posting some interesting opinions and participating in an adult manner in a serious discussion would help.

-Geoff

[garak]

SB was trying to leave this alone at the end, it appears.
Has she ever left anything alone? In fact that was one of her most consistent traits -- declaring to be "done" with a certain argument, only to come right back. Happened countless times.

[Geoff]

Yes, that no doubt contributed. But this final thread was not hers. He was persisting this for page after page of bluntheadedness. She walked in and told him just to drop it and walked away again - it was fairly decent considering her previous tendencies to not leave alone. I actually feel that if last night was the reason she was a little hard done by.
If the other weeks are the reason (and I suspect they are) then the answer is different, of course.

-Geoff

[Sam172]

I don't think he deserved a perma-ban. Do you?

Yup

[Sir Isaac Lime]

:shrug:

Didn't really see the need to ban either one of them. My lack of ambition prevents me from giving a shit though,

[Lee]

I was always quite fond of Zedo... ah well, never mind, I think most of knew and hoped something like this would happen eventually.

[Sam172]

And Songbird was banned?!

[melancholeric]

And your opinion matters so much. You've contributed nothing to this forum, the entire time I've been here, except some inside jokes.
And that's exactly why her opinion matters, she's an insider. If you want anyone to listen to you, make sure you're friends with admins.

[waxwing]

1. On the banning: Nah. I don't like the idea of it, honestly. I think there were other options, but as I am not an insider, I really couldn't give specifics. Well, except to say that should have gotten a room, locked the door, and gone at it. A chatroom, that is.

2. On EZ:
For what it's worth, I found many of his comments highly amusing. He was one of the members I could hear laughing behind his posts. On the other hand, his attractive brand of humor became generic and tasteless after a while.

3. On SB:
Indifferent, really. I tried to take her comments for what they were worth. When her comments were almost entirely personally biased, I simply ignored her.

This thread stems from a question of being fair-minded, in my opinion. Being mostly fair but absent-minded, I admit that I might have missed or forgotten some key elements to this whole affair and therefore should not comment any further.

[coffeezombie]

And that's exactly why her opinion matters, she's an insider. If you want anyone to listen to you, make sure you're friends with admins.

LOL Yeah, this place has become kind of too political for the typical INTP. I came here for a board anyway, not a soap opera.

[waxwing]

An entire "drama monarchy" has arisen in the midst of a bunch of serfs.

[Vagabond]

They were both annoying when addressing each other, and they both had some interesting things to say when they didn't. Unfortunately they both seemed more interested in stirring up shit than being insightful. Like I said before, I can shut annoying noise out, but their getting banned won't make me lose my sleep. This is not a democracy, this is an internet board. Certain people run it to their best judgement; that is how it is and what the only possible way is with boards. Who likes it stays, who doesn't leaves. That's about how it goes and if that makes me a whiner that hasn't contributed anything in the eyes of some people, I certainly don't give half a shit.

[coffeezombie]

An entire "drama monarchy" has arisen in the midst of a bunch of serfs.

That would be interesting if Zedo started his own board now, and I'd be curious to know how many people would defect to there. It's happened before on some other boards I've been on.

[Eileen]

I think that it was a good thing to ban them, and I respect the admins for finally doing it. I doubt that it was an easy decision (I hate disciplining people; it's very difficult for me, and I would find it particularly difficult to pull the figurative plug on someone entirely).

I saw immediately upon arriving here that Zedo had an antagonistic personality, and I deal with antagonistic people generally by not engaging with them. And I tried to tell SB from the beginning that her posts outside of the rising problem with Zedo were much more valuable than the bickering ones and encouraged her to just ignore it. The problem was that apparantly, she couldn't ignore it and *had* to engage everyone and anyone who slung any crap in her direction, and later on she had to keep bringing it up because she was constantly on the defensive.

Zedo had been on a rampage to get her banned for at least the past week or so, and SB did an alright job in the past week of ignoring him. If she had done that to begin with, there wouldn't have been this mess.

I do believe that ultimately, the ban will actually be a good thing for SB. This isn't a good place for her, and no matter how much she eventually improved her behavior (which she was trying to do, I think, no matter what anybody says), it never was going to be because people already hated her and wanted her gone. Doesn't make for a good environment at all.

[euterpenc]

I missed this. Can someone explain to me why zedo was banned? and who is sb?

I liked zedo...

[YardGnome]

If SB and EZ's interactions with one another bother you all then why did you even bother reading the posts where they bitched at one another? Why did you partake in their bitching by commenting on it? Just don't read it... Who gives a shit... It's between them anyways... I don't think it's particularly fair to have him banned, besides I enjoyed some of the witty quotes he'd posted in the past.

Here I go I'm actually partaking in the bitching... Jesus Christ... There has been waaaayyyy too much drama on this forum in the last few weeks...

Where's all the stimulating intellectual conversation? It's fucking General Hospital here...

[s0978]

Seems pretty clear that there will be no bringing Zedo back, but it seems some of the fuss now might be about the theoretical fairness of his banning. In my case I have no wish to protest the way this this board is run (too apathetic), but it does strike me as peculiar that they were both banned. Were their transgressions identical? I am probably too biased to be able to offer a good answer, but it's an interesting question. Do have to say, though, that I think it's quite revealing that this thread is quite active, whereas there is no "Bring SB Back" thread in progress.

[tragula]

I have always respected his instinct. I have respected it since day one. He has never over-needled anyone who did not deserve it.

Well you shouldn't respect his instinct. Very often it seemed to stem from his own intellectual insecurities. People who actually have an argument don't have a need for needling.

There were plenty of instances of him needling people who didn't deserve it. Like Eilleen.

That said, I honestly didn't dislike the guy! I eventually came to see what others saw in him. An amusing and always honest expression of opinion. He was a character!

People tend to not have a balanced view of polarizing people. Which is a mistake because they are inevitably neither as good nor as bad as people see them.

That's why it should be about rules, and not a popularity contest, which is what ez was constantly trying to create.

[shaytana]

This has been going on for months, and unfortunately (seriously) admins can't just ignore posts that they don't like, especially when we are constantly getting official complaints from many members about (and from) both of them.

We all gave them a lot of time and chances to just end this but for whatever reasons they have of their own they wouldn't. We did not want it to come to this and in hindsight there is probably more we could have done to prevent it from getting this far.

I suppose our reason for not stepping in with heavy moderation from the start of their fight is because right from the conception of this forum we all agreed that a heavily moderated forum is not what INTP's want. Now that was all fine and dandy when there were only 50 members but as the forum has grown and changed we have had to adapt as well. It is an on going process and not perfect.

We are trying but it is impossible to please everyone, just look at how evenly split this poll is. Ultimately, we are the ones who got the complaints and had to make a decision which we did not want to make (seriously we put it off for as long as we could, probably too long), and it was unanimous.

Now, does anyone have any suggestions on how to prevent or deal with something like this in the future?

[Geoff]

Try a 1 week ban, or a 1 month one. The ban of that length should seriously change the dynamic by the time it is up.

[ApeTheDog]

Shay: splitting the posts in which the argument takes place off from the original thread and moving them into the bitching forum?

Would be heavy on the moderators, though, in case of such a long argument. But if done when an argument like this only just started, it could shorten it's life cycle because they might get bored of always having their posts moved.

Ultimately, I do not think there is a good way to moderate a forum. You'll always have people hating you for doing what you do, because you have too much power.

[shaytana]

Shay: splitting the posts in which the argument takes place off from the original thread and moving them into the bitching forum?

Would be heavy on the moderators, though, in case of such a long argument. But if done when an argument like this only just started, it could shorten it's life cycle because they might get bored of always having their posts moved.

Ultimately, I do not think there is a good way to moderate a forum. You'll always have people hating you for doing what you do, because you have too much power.

More moderators would be needed for sure, what do you (speaking to everyone here) think of adding a couple more?

[shaytana]

Try a 1 week ban, or a 1 month one. The ban of that length should seriously change the dynamic by the time it is up.

I agree with you and I am not opposed to reopening this poll in a month or two (although that is not my decision to solely make).

[ApeTheDog]

I'm in favor of some more moderators. I must be honest, I don't even notice we have moderators in this forum, and I do notice a lot of arguing and bickering lately.

[booyalab]

I'm in favor of some more moderators. I must be honest, I don't even notice we have moderators in this forum, and I do notice a lot of arguing and bickering lately.

Less is more.

The only things that the mods do here that produce any results(not saying whether I agree with the results..just saying results are produced) are thread closings and bannings. You dont need hundreds of mods to do that. In case you haven't been here long enough/looked at enough threads to see any verbal mod interventions, can you honestly say that you'd think people here would just stop arguing if a mod came in and said "now break it up you two" or "stfu". This isn't SJ central.

[Geoff]

So what do INTP's respect.. intellect? Do we need the highest IQ person in charge?

-Geoff

[booyalab]

So what do INTP's respect.. intellect? Do we need the highest IQ person in charge?

-Geoff

dont be ridiculous, just because someone has a high IQ doesn't mean they can administrate effectively.

[Geoff]

It was not meant in any serious way, of course.

-Geoff

[ApeTheDog]

Less is more.

The only things that the mods do here that produce any results(not saying whether I agree with the results..just saying results are produced) are thread closings and bannings. You dont need hundreds of mods to do that. In case you haven't been here long enough/looked at enough threads to see any verbal mod interventions, can you honestly say that you'd think people here would just stop arguing if a mod came in and said "now break it up you two" or "stfu". This isn't SJ central.
But if we can reach a concensus with everybody here that we argue with each other in the bitching forum, the mods can split off the posts that are off-topic and move them into the bitching forum. I agree that saying 'please stop arguing' would not help, but a brute-force moving of the posts would be very effective and may be the lesser of two evils here.

[SheepDog]

I suspect that just moving the posts to the bitching forum wouldn't work in itself. We also need to remove the bitching forum from the new threads search to make that work.

[booyalab]

But if we can reach a concensus with everybody here that we argue with each other in the bitching forum, the mods can split off the posts that are off-topic and move them into the bitching forum. I agree that saying 'please stop arguing' would not help, but a brute-force moving of the posts would be very effective and may be the lesser of two evils here.
ok but that wouldn't require more mods either. I think the bitching parlour was the best thing that's happened to this forum since i joined, btw. :whistle:

[nobarcode]

Banning people may seem unfair and moderating this forum has always been out of conscientious concern since I've been here and as far as I can tell. Over a longer period of time, any real moderating that was done has been with reluctance, plain maintenance, or not needed. I am certain of that. But, when the "original" persons (being those who helped to create this forum- technically), and the first 250 -or so-, longest-lasting members over a greater period of time than the last four months literally vanish; something is wrong. I think that is unfair also. Overall, if two people get banned/or leave voluntarily, and 500 stay; that makes more sense to me. Yes, there is irony in that last bit and further down, but I'm speaking about what I have seen since I've been here.

This is not about being an insider/outsider, new members vs. old members, the good ol' days, etc. That's just plainly and simply silly. I think precedence does matter however.

It's really only been within the last five months or so that "moderating" (as in baby-sitting) threads has begun to occur. Moderating will always be met with resistance for two reasons: 1) nobody wants to do it because you will be the asshole. 2) the asshole won't like it. It's not that an INTP should care, but I regret seeing that happen and I also regret that most of the people I used to relate to are now gone and it seems to be as a result of the lack of moderation in every way, even in terms of self-moderation.

I'm with the Dogs and their suggestions (ApeTheDog, Sheepdog), and I have a few more, but I'm not changing my name to noDogcode.

disclaimer: I have a bit of a hangover (because I did not moderate) and not yet enough caffeine.

[tragula]

I'm all for capitalizing on the momentum. There's nothing like setting an example to get others to fall in line and realize you are serious. Any grade school teacher knows that....

Give people an inch and they'll take a mile. So stop handing out inches as if they were popcorn.

Personally I dislike the bitching forum. I think it just creates negativity. If people want to argue, they should just do it in private and spare the rest of us. I'm not sure what sort of impression it gives new members to see those threads, other than that we are all completely nuts!

At least change the name to the gossiping forum. Which is essentially all some people really want to do....

The big dilemma I think is that some members can separate personal comments from non-personal ones. (Basically depending on whether they are heavily Fe...)
I think the conclusion of this drama is that everyone, including those who are against any rules, need them in the end.... how ironic.

On a more practical level a one week ban could BE the first warning. A one month ban the second. And a permafrost ban could be the third. But admins should not change their mind like the weather.

[CoHo]

I'm all for capitalizing on the momentum. There's nothing like setting an example to get others to fall in line and realize you are serious. Any grade school teacher knows that....

"Now that," Case said to his glass, all his bitterness suddenly rising in him like bile, "that is so much bullshit."

~Neuromancer

[tragula]

Actually. It isn't.

If you are going to have rules. Then you have to back them up. It's called logic.

If you are not going to have rules. Then it is called Anarchy. And it is not the best way to run a forum.

[misutii]

haha they're both most likely crying as they think of what to do with themselves in their new 'free time' so let's laugh

[coffeezombie]

I wonder if the admins set up the bitching forum as a "trap" knowing that eventually Zedo and Songbird would go at it full-tilt in there. I've always liked conspiracy theories. :P

[Lee]

I wonder if the admins set up the bitching forum as a "trap" knowing that eventually Zedo and Songbird would go at it full-tilt in there. I've always liked conspiracy theories. :P
If only you knew...Mwhahahahaha

[Sackanaka]

I wonder if the admins set up the bitching forum as a "trap"
Trap?

Trap! (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=3688)

[Miss Anthropic]

If SB and EZ's interactions with one another bother you all then why did you even bother reading the posts where they bitched at one another? Why did you partake in their bitching by commenting on it? Just don't read it... Who gives a shit... It's between them anyways... I don't think it's particularly fair to have him banned, besides I enjoyed some of the witty quotes he'd posted in the past.

Here I go I'm actually partaking in the bitching... Jesus Christ... There has been waaaayyyy too much drama on this forum in the last few weeks...

Where's all the stimulating intellectual conversation? It's fucking General Hospital here...
Avoid them by not reading the posts? How? They were like NPR's coverage of Iraq...every damned day. You couldn't avoid them, no matter what thread you were looking at if both of them ended up there it featured their conflict.

[Miss Anthropic]

This has been going on for months, and unfortunately (seriously) admins can't just ignore posts that they don't like, especially when we are constantly getting official complaints from many members about (and from) both of them.

We all gave them a lot of time and chances to just end this but for whatever reasons they have of their own they wouldn't. We did not want it to come to this and in hindsight there is probably more we could have done to prevent it from getting this far.

I suppose our reason for not stepping in with heavy moderation from the start of their fight is because right from the conception of this forum we all agreed that a heavily moderated forum is not what INTP's want. Now that was all fine and dandy when there were only 50 members but as the forum has grown and changed we have had to adapt as well. It is an on going process and not perfect.

We are trying but it is impossible to please everyone, just look at how evenly split this poll is. Ultimately, we are the ones who got the complaints and had to make a decision which we did not want to make (seriously we put it off for as long as we could, probably too long), and it was unanimous.

Now, does anyone have any suggestions on how to prevent or deal with something like this in the future?

Consistency will get you results. Don't change a thing. If people can't moderate themselves deep-six them just like you did this time. If I remember correctly they were both banned for 1 day and came back at each other like a couple of tasmanian devils. We don't need more moderators or more rules, we just need to somewhat behave ourselves.



haha they're both most likely crying as they think of what to do with themselves in their new 'free time' so let's laugh
You are so so sooooo cruel Misutii :devil:

[Serotonin]

I wonder if the admins set up the bitching forum as a "trap" knowing that eventually Zedo and Songbird would go at it full-tilt in there. I've always liked conspiracy theories. :P

Haha, the Bitching Parlor: VORTEX OF DEATH!!!!

[YardGnome]

Avoid them by not reading the posts? How? They were like NPR's coverage of Iraq...every damned day. You couldn't avoid them, no matter what thread you were looking at if both of them ended up there it featured their conflict.

Click their user name and in their User Profile there is a little button that says add this user to my ignore list. Click that and Viola, no more need to read any of there posts because they won't be displayed...

And if a thread has descended into an all out bitch fest just get out of it and go to a more productive one... (kinda like this one...)

[MacGuffin]

Click their user name and in their User Profile there is a little button that says add this user to my ignore list. Click that and Viola, no more need to read any of there posts because they won't be displayed...
Do you know how hard that is for someone like me? I am insanely curious. I can mostly ignore the bitching forum, but posts in regular threads cannot be ignored by me.

[YardGnome]

I'd imagine since you are skilled in the ways of the dark side of the force that you know what the threads say before even looking at them, or needing to look at them...

[Thermo]

I think that it was a good thing to ban them, and I respect the admins for finally doing it. I doubt that it was an easy decision (I hate disciplining people; it's very difficult for me, and I would find it particularly difficult to pull the figurative plug on someone entirely).

I saw immediately upon arriving here that Zedo had an antagonistic personality, and I deal with antagonistic people generally by not engaging with them. And I tried to tell SB from the beginning that her posts outside of the rising problem with Zedo were much more valuable than the bickering ones and encouraged her to just ignore it. The problem was that apparantly, she couldn't ignore it and *had* to engage everyone and anyone who slung any crap in her direction, and later on she had to keep bringing it up because she was constantly on the defensive.

Zedo had been on a rampage to get her banned for at least the past week or so, and SB did an alright job in the past week of ignoring him. If she had done that to begin with, there wouldn't have been this mess.

I do believe that ultimately, the ban will actually be a good thing for SB. This isn't a good place for her, and no matter how much she eventually improved her behavior (which she was trying to do, I think, no matter what anybody says), it never was going to be because people already hated her and wanted her gone. Doesn't make for a good environment at all.
I told SB the same thing and I agree with everything you said.

Zedo was a loser. I am glad he is gone. It was the combination of the intentional trolling posts AND the real lack of anything to say.

[ppc]

I told SB the same thing and I agree with everything you said.

Zedo was a loser. I am glad he is gone. It was the combination of the intentional trolling posts AND the real lack of anything to say.


I find it very interesting that people often dismiss things that are exactly contradictorary to the things that they say/feel/think/believe as "intentional trolling" or as some people say "the real lack of anything to say"

Keep it up number 2!

[Miss Anthropic]

Click their user name and in their User Profile there is a little button that says add this user to my ignore list. Click that and Viola, no more need to read any of there posts because they won't be displayed...

And if a thread has descended into an all out bitch fest just get out of it and go to a more productive one... (kinda like this one...)
Thanks for the info. I didn't even think about that. Seems like Zedo and sb could have done that with each other. I have to admit I agree with MacGuffin. I am annoyed by too much conflict, but at the same time don't want to miss anything.

[YardGnome]

Thanks for the info. I didn't even think about that. Seems like Zedo and sb could have done that with each other. I have to admit I agree with MacGuffin. I am annoyed by too much conflict, but at the same time don't want to miss anything.

It's a guilty pleasure that you'd not want to admit enjoying. Like watching Beverly Hills 90210 or reading The Enquirer. Yes, I do enjoy reading Hollywood gossip, although I'd never admit that to anyone... Oops...

Hell, I have a hard time admitting it to myself.

[Thermo]

ppc:
Rather than taking pot shots at me on every thread you post on, why don't you just air your grievances with me. I created a new thread for your convenience.

The Bitching Parlor -> PPC bring your complaints here

[coffeezombie]

Thanks for the info. I didn't even think about that. Seems like Zedo and sb could have done that with each other. I have to admit I agree with MacGuffin. I am annoyed by too much conflict, but at the same time don't want to miss anything.

I just don't understand why one of them couldn't just ignore the other one. I personally don't find it very difficult to ignore another person. Don't most of the people here?

[booyalab]

I just don't understand why one of them couldn't just ignore the other one. I personally don't find it very difficult to ignore another person. Don't most of the people here?

if you dont find it very difficult to ignore another person, it shouldn't be that much harder to ignore 2.

[Vagabond]

if you dont find it very difficult to ignore another person, it shouldn't be that much harder to ignore 2. What a sophistry. One person trying to derail every thread while everyone tries to ignore him/her, fails. Two people trying to derail a thread while everyone tries to ignore them, succeed by flooding the thread with irrelevant personal posts. Yes they would be easy to ignore if you locked them up in a room that didn't let any of their noise out; like if they kept their bitching in the fucking bitching forum.

[SensEye]

What a sophistry. One person trying to derail every thread while everyone tries to ignore him/her, fails. Two people trying to derail a thread while everyone tries to ignore them, succeed by flooding the thread with irrelevant personal posts. Yes they would be easy to ignore if you locked them up in a room that didn't let any of their noise out; like if they kept their bitching in the fucking bitching forum.Amen, sister. In order for the "ignore both of them" tactic to work and stop them from derailing threads, everybody has to do it. Banning them is a more efficient method of accomplishing just that.

I can't believe anyone has much sympathy for these two. They both had plenty of warning and refused to behave. The ban is basically self-inflicted.

[ppc]

ppc:
Rather than taking pot shots at me on every thread you post on, why don't you just air your grievances with me. I created a new thread for your convenience.

The Bitching Parlor -> PPC bring your complaints here

I'm not taking shots at you. What I said was the truth. I don't doubt you really think he was trolling because of how different his views are from yours. I honestly believe that is how you think. This is not a troll, a shot, a whatever - it's the truth.

[Zero Angel]

Zedo was OK, before all this BS. Its too bad that he had to go, but he just couldnt behave himself. The boards are a lot more saner now.

Excellent job, guys.

[Stem]

I should have been here! (I was smoking crack ((really, i was, really)) all weekend. I consider it a more healthy addiction than the forum as it was. Here's to my recovery!)

[Zero Angel]

Yeah, a forum addiction is a pretty unhealthy substitute for RW interactions. Keep coming back.

[nobarcode]

I didn't know they had crack in Talibanna.

[coffeezombie]

I didn't know they had crack in Talibanna.

Yeah, all I thought they had was moonshine.

[Stem]

I didn't know they had crack in Talibanna.

They do, and it will knock your fucking head off. My P won't let me get addicted though, unless i get tired of variety.

[Stem]

Yeah, all I thought they had was moonshine.

I have access to everything. (including moonshine. 10.00 a gallon, actually.)

[Stem]

Anyway, see you in hell Zedo.

[Madrigal]

:ph34r:

[outmywindow]

:ph34r:
And the point of this was...?

[Madrigal]

And the point of this was...?

What do you think the point was?

[A Schnitzel]

Zedo is back, he just doesn't post very often.

[outmywindow]

What do you think the point was?
Frankly, I thought you misread "Zedo" as "Zago" and were trying to make the point that this has happened before.

Zedo is back, he just doesn't post very often.
We have our eye on him.

[stateofstatic]

word

[Technical]

LOL@STEM IN HELL

[Technical]

PS w00t tiebreaker vote!

[C.J.Woolf]

Poll needs a PROTEST option.

[kuranes]

Zedo is back, he just doesn't post very often.Yes, he does. He just doesn't call himself Zedo now.

[MacGuffin]

Yes, he does. He just doesn't call himself Zedo now.

I've been told that every time he makes a post he yells out "ZEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" when he hits the submit button.

[kuranes]

I've been told that every time he makes a post he yells out "ZEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" when he hits the submit button.He then has to answer this call also, providing both sides of a "dialogue", so as to avoid the old saw about "what happens if a tree in the forest falls when nobody is around to see it" - when he is alone in his place.

Yelling out "Zedo !!" has more of a zing to it, also, then yelling out something like "veneration of rabbits !!", "Zephyrus055 !!" or "MgdBradSH !!". For the same reason Corporate Whore became "CoHo". So he can yell out "COHO !!" as he hits the submit button. ( He is gradually segueing into calling himself "Cojones", of course. ) "Garak" will remain "Garak" for the time being, however, and Rhu foresaw and thus avoided the need for such future changes.

[Scarlett letters]

PS w00t tiebreaker vote!
Not any more.
I feel so powerful. And at the same time, impotent.

[melancholeric]

Now I feel like voting for ban just to make it a tie again.

[Technical]

I've been told that every time he makes a post he yells out "ZEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" when he hits the submit button.
Who told you that god-damn lie. *serious face*

("ZEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!")*





*But seriously, I don't do that, for the non-adept with comedy among you.

[Madrigal]

Now I feel like voting for ban just to make it a tie again.

I would but I already did.

[Ferrus]

No. Just no.

Although apparently he is back anyway. So whatever.