Mackenzie Phillips

[purveyor of truth]

Didnt see a thread started on this yet. Apparently she had a 10 year sexual relationship with her father, as an adult.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/mackenzie-phillips-oprah_n_294479.html

I've long suspected that this may be more common than people might think. Currently its thought that 2-5% of women have sexual relations with their fathers. Is it wrong?

[Neville]

Everyone wants to fuck their parents. It's only wrong when they're ugly.

[starla]

2-5% seems high if we're talking about women having consensual sex with their dads. If you're including little girls and teenagers being molested, then it wouldn't surprise me.

[nonperson]

Made me a bit sick, M & Ps are one of my favourite groups. I accept popstars live a popstar lifestyle but this made me feel icky.

[nonperson]

I've long suspected that this may be more common than people might think. Currently its thought that 2-5% of women have sexual relations with their fathers. Is it wrong?

What troubles me is how paedophiles are aggressive. For a while I though it was trait. Then I had a more awful thought that perhaps these creatures are an extreme thin end of a wedge.

[zago]

Seems weird to me, but out of context it isn't really weird at all. I wish I could transcend context.

[Randall]

I've long suspected that this may be more common than people might think. Currently its thought that 2-5% of women have sexual relations with their fathers. Is it wrong?
Do you have a daughter?

[oxyjen]

Seems weird to me, but out of context it isn't really weird at all. I wish I could transcend context.

I like you zago, and I can kind of see where you're coming from if I squint really hard*......but it's comments like this that earned you the WTF? award.

*Ok not even then. Jesus Christ, it's fucking incest! /redundant

[teleforce]

wtf @ ten years.

[purveyor of truth]

Do you have a daughter?
Yes I do, 26 y/o.

I wouldnt want to have sex with my daughter or marry her but that could be because I cant stand the maturity difference. I'm not one to go after younger women.

But assuming no abuse has happened growing up is there anything wrong with father and daughter getting it on?

In this case theres plenty wrong, because of the earlier child molestation and they were screwing around on their mates.

[zago]

I like you zago, and I can kind of see where you're coming from if I squint really hard*......but it's comments like this that earned you the WTF? award.

*Ok not even then. Jesus Christ, it's fucking incest! /redundant

No need to squint. If their pet dog saw them banging, would he think it was weird? This is all cultural. It seems to me so very random that I've found myself in this particular culture, or any culture for that matter. Our beliefs are vastly different than others present and past, and presumably future... how can I trust them at all? If I had been an ancient Greek, it would have been perfectly normal, even expected, for me to fuck little boys. If I had been an Aztec, perhaps I would have worshiped the sun god and performed human sacrifice and thought nothing of it. In our present culture, yes, it is very very strange for a girl to be fucking her dad. But overall, it really isn't.

[Eye-In-TiPi]

Yes I do, 26 y/o.

I wouldnt want to have sex with my daughter or marry her but that could be because I cant stand the maturity difference. I'm not one to go after younger women.

But assuming no abuse has happened growing up is there anything wrong with father and daughter getting it on?

In this case theres plenty wrong, because of the earlier child molestation and they were screwing around on their mates.


What the fuck? Of course it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It's not about maturity levels or even pedophilia. It's just not the kind of love you have for your children unless you're completely insane. A person would have to have some serious emotional issues going on in their mind if they confused the feelings a normal, healthy individual has for their children with the kind of feelings you have when you wanna fuck.

I can easily see that my daughter is very pretty, but if I ever start to think "I'd like to hit that" I hope someone will do me a favor and shoot me in the face.

[purveyor of truth]

2-5% seems high if we're talking about women having consensual sex with their dads. If you're including little girls and teenagers being molested, then it wouldn't surprise me.
I believe thats the adult figure. Molestation (including all relatives and "friends" of the family) is thought to be around 8-10%.

[quantumzero]

GOT IT RONG! BANG A GONG, GOT IT RONG!

[purveyor of truth]

What the fuck? Of course it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It's not about maturity levels or even pedophilia. It's just not the kind of love you have for your children unless you're completely insane. A person would have to have some serious emotional issues going on in their mind if they confused the feelings a normal, healthy individual has for their children with the kind of feelings you have when you wanna fuck.

I can easily see that my daughter is very pretty, but if I ever start to think "I'd like to hit that" I hope someone will do me a favor and shoot me in the face.

Lets say you were 50 and you had a daughter 25, you and she were cut off from civilization to the best of your knowledge permenantly. Living out the rest of your lives... Wheres the harm?

[Defensin]

Lets say you were 50 and you had a daughter 25, you and she were cut off from civilization to the best of your knowledge permenantly. Living out the rest of your lives... Wheres the harm?

when/how does one just drop the non-sexual protective emotions and notions of fatherhood and decide to become sexual giving up the role as care-provider and protector? How can the father cross that psychological barrier - not only for once but enough for it to become "normal"?

I'm not convinced that it's entirely cultural.

EDIT: There has been neurobiological connections made with fatherhood, such as an increase in the prefrontal cortex activity

[avolkiteshvara]

I think alot of these mores stemmed from historical pragmatism.

Incestuous relationships produce more birth defected offspring.

Marriage was a form of bonding or sealing pacts with other tribes. To marry your own family would be a waste of resources.

[attila_the_hunny]

She's saying these things after he died. It's a nice way to make a book.

[avolkiteshvara]

She's saying these things after he died. It's a nice way to make a book.

I thought so also.

Apparently her sister corroborated the story say she was told about it ten years ago.

[OrionzRevenge]

About ten years ago, she said in her early teens Mick Jagger was at her home while Papa John left to get more drugs. She said Mick turned to her and said: "I've been waiting for this for a long time."

On the same TV show, Papa John (Taped) offered an apology to MP, and in a taped interview Mick denied it happened.

But, they all agree Papa J felt it was cool (at the time) for her to join the acid parties and whatnot.

EDIT: it was nearly 'Statch' when Papa John cheated on his wife with the Blonde Mama (Can't recall her name)

[Dirac]

No need to squint. If their pet dog saw them banging, would he think it was weird? This is all cultural. It seems to me so very random that I've found myself in this particular culture, or any culture for that matter. Our beliefs are vastly different than others present and past, and presumably future... how can I trust them at all? If I had been an ancient Greek, it would have been perfectly normal, even expected, for me to fuck little boys. If I had been an Aztec, perhaps I would have worshiped the sun god and performed human sacrifice and thought nothing of it. In our present culture, yes, it is very very strange for a girl to be fucking her dad. But overall, it really isn't.

But there is an evolutionary reason not to sex your daughter. Incest isn't good for the genepool - that's the root of the repulsion, not cultural reasons.

[OrionzRevenge]

But there is an evolutionary reason not to sex your daughter. Incest isn't good for the genepool - that's the root of the repulsion, not cultural reasons.

I can recall no such instinctual repulsion among social animals, and solitary animals like cats drive off young due to food supply issues.

Often in social animals, you have a 'Cock of the Walk' that he achieved by being at peak physical condition. Thus, by the time the daughters come of age, the father has been supplanted by another stud.

[teleforce]

when/how does one just drop the non-sexual protective emotions and notions of fatherhood and decide to become sexual giving up the role as care-provider and protector? How can the father cross that psychological barrier - not only for once but enough for it to become "normal"?

I'm not convinced that it's entirely cultural.

EDIT: There has been neurobiological connections made with fatherhood, such as an increase in the prefrontal cortex activity
. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFAsYJyR60)

[last_caress]

But there is an evolutionary reason not to sex your daughter. Incest isn't good for the genepool - that's the root of the repulsion, not cultural reasons.

did people have a sufficient understanding of genetics at the inception of this taboo to reason this out? I'd guess it's roots are mostly social (networking) and to a lesser degree expression of subconscious physiological influence ie. pheromones.

[avolkiteshvara]

I can recall no such instinctual repulsion among social animals, and solitary animals like cats drive off young due to food supply issues.

Often in social animals, you have a 'Cock of the Walk' that he achieved by being at peak physical condition. Thus, by the time the daughters come of age, the father has been supplanted by another stud.


Just to be an ass, one could argue different intelligence levels between humans and cats.

Cats can look at a situation in a moment in time and deem there isn't enough food.

With incest, you'd have to connect an act 9 months previous( or whatever it is for cats) to the present moment.

[purveyor of truth]

Just to be an ass, one could argue different intelligence levels between humans and cats.
Once in awhile, say once a year, you knock it out of the freaking ballpark.

[Resonance]

in keeping with the tradition of exploring things to their root causes and not being nebulous, having sex with things that contain your DNA amplifies any mutations you might have passed on to them.

The rate of mutations in humans implies that each new human should have on average 25 original mutations - one base pair missing, added, or exchanged. A small fraction of these (probably 1 or 2%) will actually affect protein structure, and a small fraction of those (probably again 1 or 2%) will affect vital proteins to a fatal degree.

Since mutations by and large tend to be detrimental, the grand-child may be homozygous (have 2 copies) of some new mutations where your daughter had 1 normal copy of the gene making up for it (from your first wife.)

So there's perhaps a 1 in 10 chance that a kid born of you and your offspring will be nonviable/horribly deformed/retarded/etc. which is significantly higher than otherwise but still not bad enough to select for a strong instinctual repulsion.


HOWEVER, it is also the case that women under normal circumstances are attracted to pheromones of genetically different men. One study showed that The Pill affects women's response to pheromones, causing them to be more attracted to genetically similar men. This may contribute to the number of relationships that fall apart when the couple decides to have a baby (and stop taking the pill.)

[Dirac]

I can recall no such instinctual repulsion among social animals, and solitary animals like cats drive off young due to food supply issues.

Often in social animals, you have a 'Cock of the Walk' that he achieved by being at peak physical condition. Thus, by the time the daughters come of age, the father has been supplanted by another stud.
You can recall no such repulsion? So it doesn't exist? I tried to google this to get some stats to settle this, but I got a surprising amount of porn... SOZ

(Actually this sort of helps me out, though the title is confusing.)

I don't see how the cats thing is relevant.

Also, the second paragraph seems to almost support my opinion.

[Dirac]

did people have a sufficient understanding of genetics at the inception of this taboo to reason this out? I'd guess it's roots are mostly social (networking) and to a lesser degree expression of subconscious physiological influence ie. pheromones. at least part of that is compatible

I was arguing AGAINST the idea of a social taboo.

Edit: Yeah Nobbly Obligation is saying pretty much the same as me.

[last_caress]

I was arguing AGAINST the idea of a social taboo.

Edit: Yeah Nobbly Obligation is saying pretty much the same as me.

you caught me mid edit. I'm arguing that it seems more likely to be the primary factor to me in that relations/progeny outside of ones family would enhance the spread of a meme as well as creating bonds/alliances and larger unified social units via the commonality. however a pheromone based origin is not incompatible with your idea.

[purveyor of truth]

Often in social animals, you have a 'Cock of the Walk' that he achieved by being at peak physical condition. Thus, by the time the daughters come of age, the father has been supplanted by another stud.
Another reason to hit the gym you old softies.

[OrionzRevenge]

Well, mama cats driving off the young is instinctual, as they will drive off kittens were food is not an issue.

But then, I had ruled out cats as not being social animals and thus invalid in 'group genes' thinking.

However, Chimps are very smart social animals and share 99.9% of our genes, and they screw everybody and everything like... monkeys.

However, there are studies that show human females are attracted to male sweat of complete genetic strangers during estrus... but find close kin's sweat revolting.

Ye ole Farmer's Daughter and the Traveling Salesman yarn.

[Dirac]

Well, mama cats driving off the young is instinctual, as they will drive off kittens were food is not an issue.

But then, I had ruled out cats as not being social animals and thus invalid in 'group genes' thinking.

However, Chimps are very smart social animals and share 99.9% of our genes, and they screw everybody and everything like... monkeys.

However, there are studies that show human females are attracted to male sweat of complete genetic strangers during estrus... but find close kin's sweat revolting.

Ye ole Farmer's Daughter and the Traveling Salesman yarn.

The bolded bit sounds interesting. Links?

[OrionzRevenge]

You can recall no such repulsion? So it doesn't exist? I tried to google this to get some stats to settle this, but I got a surprising amount of porn... SOZ

(Actually this sort of helps me out, though the title is confusing.)

I don't see how the cats thing is relevant.

Also, the second paragraph seems to almost support my opinion.

Yes, I was being honest... if you did present an example, I would have added to my data base with a thank you.

Yes, the cats ARE irrelevant... I thought I indicated as much... oh well.

[OrionzRevenge]

The bolded bit sounds interesting. Links?

Bodo Chips, I have linked before in a pedo thread in the past.
Also, you might read my thread "Orgy of the species: Dick-Heads, Dildos, and Darwin"

[MacGuffin]

Those arguing it is a purely cultural taboo must explain away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect#Westermarck_effect

[Resonance]

98.5% is what was previously thought and is still taught in biology courses. Current estimates lie around 95-96% according to Google: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html

However, Jane Goodall disagrees on the topic of incest among chimps:

The universal human avoidance of incest seems to arise naturally, since it can be observed that it is embedded so deeply in our nature, that we can see it arise in our primate relatives! Chimpanzees, olive baboons, rhesus monkeys, and Japanese macaques rarely mate with close kin. In Jane Goodall’s essay: “Incest Avoidance Among Chimpanzees,” she gives as evidence of this through her observations of chimpanzees. Goodall observed that mating between males and their mothers is extremely rare. In the rare case when a male made sexual advances toward his mother, he is rejected, although most advances from other chimps are accepted. The mothers would go so far as to get their back stomped on rather than submit to sexual intercourse with their son.

@MacG:
Interesting.

When close proximity during this critical period does not occur—for example, where a brother and sister are brought up separately, never meeting one another—they may find one another highly sexually attractive when they meet as adults.
So it's an instinctual thing after all, but not by any mechanism one would intuitively assume?

[bass_n_treble]

2-5% seems high if we're talking about women having consensual sex with their dads. If you're including little girls and teenagers being molested, then it wouldn't surprise me.

It only says in the first two sentences or so that it was rape. :whistle:


wtf @ ten years.

haha... drug addictions fuck people up.


She's saying these things after he died. It's a nice way to make a book.

Celebrities are morally bankrupt soulless dollar worshipping fucktards that don't do any actual work for a living, what do you expect?

[OrionzRevenge]

Those arguing it is a purely cultural taboo must explain away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect#Westermarck_effect

Well, my side of the street is more science, as you may have noticed I shy away from meta, and philo stuff unless science enters the picture.

But for one thing many cultures across the span of human kind have relished doing the kids.
Rome comes to mind.

[OrionzRevenge]

Blair, I just noticed you beat me to the punch with the sweat thingy... sorry, slow typer at work.

[Quad]

I remember some sociology professor discussing how incest is really the only universal taboo.

Generally negative things like murder/execution, war, cannibalism, polygamy, domestic abuse, genital mutilation, etc etc are all warmly welcomed by one culture or another. I do not believe there is a culture where incest is acceptable.

[Resonance]

Well, my side of the street is more science, as you may have noticed I shy away from meta, and philo stuff unless science enters the picture.

But for one thing many cultures across the span of human kind have relished doing the kids.
Rome comes to mind.
But is it a sexual thing in that case? Seems to be more like a combination of subjugation, repression, and archaic conception of discipline. Most of the men who molest young boys still identify as fully heterosexual.

[last_caress]

Those arguing it is a purely cultural taboo must explain away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect#Westermarck_effect

I don't have a firm understanding of exactly what a kibbutz is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_taboo

there is another discussion of this concept under the heading "Instinctual and Genetic Explanations" and data from some supposed additional research.

anyway, this study seems to equate marriage with attraction and sexual relations when they're !=.

[OrionzRevenge]

Blair, there is a percentage difference when you look at the whole stand of DNA or just the small fraction that is actually the gene set.

Jane Goodall is sorta like tabloid science... most scientist refute her studies as having been too contaminated by human exposure. Further, her chimps were the war-making breed.
bodos (sp.) make love not war.

[purveyor of truth]

I do not believe there is a culture where incest is acceptable.

I thinks its called evolution at work. Even if it decreases species survival by a small amount, it would eventually kill them all.

[OrionzRevenge]

But is it a sexual thing in that case? Seems to be more like a combination of subjugation, repression, and archaic conception of discipline. Most of the men who molest young boys still identify as fully heterosexual.

My suggestion is that if there was a biological paternal revulsion, then the practice would not appear so often in human culture.

[Resonance]

Blair, there is a percentage difference when you look at the whole stand of DNA or just the small fraction that is actually the gene set.

Jane Goodall is sorta like tabloid science... most scientist refute her studies as having been too contaminated by human exposure. Further, her chimps were the war-making breed.
bodos (sp.) make love not war.
kk, fair enough. I'm actually curious about this issue, rather than having an opinion.

[OrionzRevenge]

I thinks its called evolution at work. Even if it decreases species survival by a small amount, it would eventually kill them all.

Yes, it may be the main reason bulls butt heads to earn sex.

can't butt heads too long before you are off your game and the young buck is up in you daughter instead.

[OrionzRevenge]

kk, fair enough. I'm actually curious about this issue, rather than having an opinion.

I enjoyed having someone curious about same to chat with.

[Resonance]

My suggestion is that if there was a biological paternal revulsion, then the practice would not appear so often in human culture.
Culture is largely about suppressing instincts in order to adapt to unexpected situations. Culture evolves faster than creatures do, as they say.

But according to MacG's evidence, living together for the first 6 years is the only thing that counts for our 'anti-incest' mechanism. With fathers working so much and spending so little time with the kids in so many cultures, I don't think it's that surprising.

[attila_the_hunny]

Incest? I'm sure your kid will turn out beautiful. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_II_(1670-80).jpg)

[bass_n_treble]

Incest? I'm sure your kid will turn out beautiful. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_II_(1670-80).jpg)

I thought it was going to be a picture of Kid Rock...

[OrionzRevenge]

Culture is largely about suppressing instincts in order to adapt to unexpected situations. Culture evolves faster than creatures do, as they say.

But according to MacG's evidence, living together for the first 6 years is the only thing that counts for our 'anti-incest' mechanism. With fathers working so much and spending so little time with the kids in so many cultures, I don't think it's that surprising.

Yeah, like I said, Culture stuff is a weak suite for me.

ALSO, after ruminating with my ancient brains, I may well have over stated the gene connection with chimps... As the percent of solar system mass in the sun is 99.9 % ... you have me doubting my recollection. But my point was that we are extremely close in genetics to chimps were incest is rampant. So lets use your figure of 94%.

The thing I would say about cultural Taboos against Father - Daughter sex is that in a civilization (often fraternal dominated in primitive forms), there are numerous good reasons to avoid same. (if you ponder the unpleasantness of women as property)

In some cultures a groom paid for his bride -- in others the bride's family had to pay the groom to take her. Either way, the brides family would suffer if the 'goods' were damaged. Also, incest leads to unrest in the home community

The ten commandments and other ancient rules of conduct seem designed to avoid disharmony in the culture.


Also, I saw the reference to the MRI studies that suggest there is a paternal biological inhibition towards incest. This may be so, as primitive human's needed a father to support the mother child... it makes sense for him not to see her as lunch. However, is it stronger than the sex drive of the slut known as man????

Is it different when the daughter is 6 months old and when she reaches estrus????

I know this sounds revolting, but I'm being clinical

Just because it's revolting dose not mean it has to be biological

Their is prolly some members here who will not take the lords name in vain fearful for their soul, and find the idea revolting. However, this is obviously not a biological response but rather a learned response.

[bass_n_treble]

WARNING: SCIENTIFIC OVER-SIMPLIFICATION AHEAD. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.

So say you're a woman with a recessive albino/Down's Syndrome/dwarfism/giantism/really rare skin disorder gene you got from your father.

Information you get from your parents on these X and Y genes come in two parts...

O= normal gene
X= recessive, defective gene

Mother O1 -O2
Father O - X

the combinations are such that you could be O1-O/O2-O/O1-X/O2-X - there's a 50% chance you have the bad gene.

If your genetic makeup is O - X...
His genetic makeup is also O - X.

Combinations - O-O/O-X/X-O/X-X
X-X = recessive gene exhibits itself, child is born with birth defect. 25% of this happening.

Odds are much better your kid's going to be born an albino/Down's Syndrome/dwarf/giant/with a skin disorder.

Why does culture need to enter into this? That's SJ bullshit.

[last_caress]

Culture is largely about suppressing instincts in order to adapt to unexpected situations. Culture evolves faster than creatures do, as they say.

But according to MacG's evidence, living together for the first 6 years is the only thing that counts for our 'anti-incest' mechanism. With fathers working so much and spending so little time with the kids in so many cultures, I don't think it's that surprising.

umm marriage != incest so I don't see how that data there proves any such thing.

[Resonance]

umm marriage != incest so I don't see how that data there proves any such thing.
you're right I'm sure lots of people marry with the intent of not having sex

[Resonance]

Yeah, like I said, Culture stuff is a weak suite for me.

ALSO, after ruminating with my ancient brains, I may well have over stated the gene connection with chimps... As the percent of solar system mass in the sun is 99.9 % ... you have me doubting my recollection. But my point was that we are extremely close in genetics to chimps were incest is rampant. So lets use your figure of 94%.

The thing I would say about cultural Taboos against Father - Daughter sex is that in a civilization (often fraternal dominated in primitive forms), there are numerous good reasons to avoid same. (if you ponder the unpleasantness of women as property)

In some cultures a groom paid for his bride -- in others the bride's family had to pay the groom to take her. Either way, the brides family would suffer if the 'goods' were damaged. Also, incest leads to unrest in the home community

The ten commandments and other ancient rules of conduct seem designed to avoid disharmony in the culture.


Also, I saw the reference to the MRI studies that suggest there is a paternal biological inhibition towards incest. This may be so, as primitive human's needed a father to support the mother child... it makes sense for him not to see her as lunch. However, is it stronger than the sex drive of the slut known as man????

Is it different when the daughter is 6 months old and when she reaches estrus????

I know this sounds revolting, but I'm being clinical

Just because it's revolting dose not mean it has to be biological

Their is prolly some members here who will not take the lords name in vain fearful for their soul, and find the idea revolting. However, this is obviously not a biological response but rather a learned response.
I don't get it. What are you trying to support? Or are you just saying whatever comes to mind whether it's in one direction or the other?

[OrionzRevenge]

lol, yeah just a little rambling... also the caution about being clinical is due to a clusterfuck misunderstanding about similar things in past post.

I've been out for a bit of a pisser, so not the brightest bulb on the tree right now.
Alfredo sent me a rep to offer the correct name of the chimp breed. ...thkx Dude!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo



he sexual activity happens within the immediate family as well as outside it. Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual intercourse between mothers and their adult sons; some observers believe these pairings are taboo. When Bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, presumably decreasing tension and allowing for peaceful feeding.


EDIT: I'm suggesting that Father-Daughter incest inhibition in humans is mostly Nurture not Nature, and offering reasons why it may have been so prevalent in primitive cultures for social reasons.

Further, I'm trying to imply that be cause we have been nurtured to revile such, we have a biased to think it's a biological inhibition.
*Fog lifted for a second there*

[Lurker]

I wouldnt want to have sex with my daughter or marry her but that could be because I cant stand the maturity difference. I'm not one to go after younger women.

But assuming no abuse has happened growing up is there anything wrong with father and daughter getting it on?

A hole is a hole, right?


In other news, why did I have country fried steak for dinner?

:sick:

[purveyor of truth]

A hole is a hole, right?
LOL

[Lurker]

Often in social animals, you have a 'Cock of the Walk' that he achieved by being at peak physical condition. Thus, by the time the daughters come of age, the father has been supplanted by another stud.



Another reason to hit the gym you old softies.


I know what you mean here, but it could easily be taken as....well.....


:sick: :sick:

[rainfall]

What the fuck? Of course it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It's not about maturity levels or even pedophilia. It's just not the kind of love you have for your children unless you're completely insane. A person would have to have some serious emotional issues going on in their mind if they confused the feelings a normal, healthy individual has for their children with the kind of feelings you have when you wanna fuck.

I can easily see that my daughter is very pretty, but if I ever start to think "I'd like to hit that" I hope someone will do me a favor and shoot me in the face.

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Actually, this entire thread is one big hahahahahahhahahahahah.

[OrionzRevenge]

I know what you mean here, but it could easily be taken as....well.....


:sick: :sick:
With only 3 short months till awards, I 'spect we'll see much Cock Strutt'n here.

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Actually, this entire thread is one big hahahahahahhahahahahah.

Great Gobs of Gooey Green Grime!
I knew I had seen B&T's Sinister Sig. Somewhere before.

[stuck]

. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFAsYJyR60)

lol the thread should be read while this plays. brill

[stuck]

Incest? I'm sure your kid will turn out beautiful. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_II_(1670-80).jpg)

Now this is a well-braided famliy tree!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Carlos_segundo80.png

His aunt was his grandmother, which was also the case for both of his grandparents on his father/aunt-grandmother's side. His mom was the product of a couple of cousins, but no shocker there, her dad was the same. Sweet.

[rhinosaur]

Those arguing it is a purely cultural taboo must explain away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect#Westermarck_effect

Thanks for the link

It led me to this link, which I thought was relevant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_taboo#Instinctual_and_Genetic_Explanations

[C.J.Woolf]

Now this is a well-braided famliy tree!

His aunt was his grandmother, which was also the case for both of his grandparents on his father/aunt-grandmother's side. His mom was the product of a couple of cousins, but no shocker there, her dad was the same. Sweet.
Damn. If I'm counting right, there are only 7 genetic inputs in 7 generations.

This was the guy who died without any male heirs, causing the War of the Spanish Succession. I guess that shows you can fuck with Mother Nature for only so long.