The Highest Form Of Art

[Styrofoam]

Sorry if this thread already exists.

So, if we remove the more philosophical concepts of art from the equation (art is a child laughing and all that bullshit), the real concept of art can be boiled down to something that expresses.. something. Feeling? Thought? Whatever. The media, or medium, whatever you wish to call it, is obviously important.

So, I've taken the mediums down to:
Music
Visual Art
Performance Art, such as theater
Interactive Visual Art (Video Games)
Cinema/Television

Unless you want to get philosophical on my ass, that seems like an adequate list of expressionist art forms. What I'm asking you is, do any of them have intrinsic values to put them above any others? Are they all the same? Do I sound like a pretentious asshole?

[kali]

I'd say that art is better when the scale weighing concept and aesthetic function is tipped toward concept. In other words, I'm a contemporary art enthusiast. Artistic memesis (the precise documentation of reality purely for the sake of documention, prized by the ancient greeks) is not appealing to me; a facsimile of reality is valueless without deeper meaning behind it.

In that manner, I see Cinema/Television as a "lower" form of art, since its concept must be compromised by the intention to entertain a wide audience. There are exceptions.

I'm biased towards visual arts... because I'm a painter. :D

[carbon cold]

Expansion.

[Resonance]

Thought. All media attempt to convey an idea, a feeling, a process, a shape, a concept, a motion, an image, anything that can be packaged into a single thought. Originally, it was assumed that the intention was to convey the same thought as the author and/or performer, and that is still largely the case today, but it is proven over and over again that this does not have to be the case.

I would say that the 'height' of an art form can be judged by how effectively and efficiently it generates thoughts in the audience; as a tiebreaker, how close those thoughts are to those of the conceiver.

Agree/disagree?

[teleforce]

i don't know if art forms can be organized into a kind of hierarchy in the way the OP is suggesting. imo, it's the mastery of the artist/creator that determines the value of a piece of art and not the media that's used, if "value" can be measured by how effectively an idea is communicated. i don't believe that certain art forms have more intrinsic value than others, but i will say that if the nature of an idea makes it so it can be most effectively expressed in a certain medium, it is important to realize that in respect to the idea.

however, depending on the skill of the artist, a very wide range of thought and feeling can be expressed with seemingly limited media.

[Hustler]

Minoan art.

[jyng1]

Minoan art.

Pic's? or it didn't exist.

[Ill eagle]

Art is the creation of a necessity.

[notjeffgoldblum]

http://www.crapperdoodle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/crapperDoodleMainImage/door_question%20(1).jpg

[teleforce]

http://www.crapperdoodle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/crapperDoodleMainImage/door_question%20(1).jpg
hm, depends whether it's ink or shit. which one touches you more?

[CreativeChaos]

Sorry if this thread already exists.

So, if we remove the more philosophical concepts of art from the equation (art is a child laughing and all that bullshit), the real concept of art can be boiled down to something that expresses.. something. Feeling? Thought? Whatever. The media, or medium, whatever you wish to call it, is obviously important.

So, I've taken the mediums down to:
Music
Visual Art
Performance Art, such as theater
Interactive Visual Art (Video Games)
Cinema/Television

Unless you want to get philosophical on my ass, that seems like an adequate list of expressionist art forms. What I'm asking you is, do any of them have intrinsic values to put them above any others? Are they all the same? Do I sound like a pretentious asshole?

Music. Music has an intrinsic value that puts it above the others. Our brains are hard wired to react to music as they are to language. Music is called the language of emotion, but it does so much more. It is tied into memory, the thalmus, hippocampus, cerebellum and most parts of our brain. It affects us in so many more ways than visual art. Performance art often includes music. Movies include music precisely because it enhances the viewers reaction to the scene. It gives the viewer "clues" as to the nature of the scene. Ever listen to a piece of music you haven't heard since you were a teenager or child? It can bring you back to a scene so completely that you feel like you felt in that scene. Not just emotions, but the person you were.

Now THAT is highly superior. It BECOMES a part of us. We do music because music is part of our ability to have concepts. Very few other creatures have this. They may have certain sounds that seem musical, for certain reasons, such as mating. But they do not manipulate those sounds, as we do in music. It is in it's own way a language. And is not our ability to have language much more significant than our ability to do art forms?

[jyng1]

Banksy

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/NYCphonebox.jpg

[kuranes]

hm, depends whether it's ....shit You're "getting philosophical on his ass"...

[Resonance]

hm, depends whether it's ink or shit. which one touches you more?
well I get a lot of ink on me when I write but I don't write often. and I shit almost every day. so I would have to say the latter.

[CreativeChaos]

You're "getting philosophical on his ass"...

I wasn't. :sadbanana: I was serious. It may have seemed a stupid OP, but, it got me thinking. And it has to do with practical matters. I'm a Speech Language Pathologist and I wrote my thesis on music and aphasia, since we use Melodic Intonation Therapy to help persons with aphasia learn to speak again after stroke or traumatic brain injury. I happen to have studied neurology quite a bit and have seen first hand what happens when parts of the brain are injured and how to help other parts of the brain take over.

*sigh* oh, well. So much for any logical, rational, thought out response to this.

[Resonance]

I wasn't. :sadbanana: I was serious. It may have seemed a stupid OP, but, it got me thinking. And it has to do with practical matters. I'm a Speech Language Pathologist and I wrote my thesis on music and aphasia, since we use Melodic Intonation Therapy to help persons with aphasia learn to speak again after stroke or traumatic brain injury. I happen to have studied neurology quite a bit and have seen first hand what happens when parts of the brain are injured and how to help other parts of the brain take over.

*sigh* oh, well. So much for any logical, rational, thought out response to this.
WOW, you need to talk to my mom.

She is also an S-LP with a master's in music and is doing a Ph.D. on group music therapy for parkinson's/stroke/etc. patients.

[wivesandknives]

hm, depends whether it's ink or shit. which one touches you more?

Shit would probably elicit a stronger reaction- does that make it better? It's tricky relying on the good ole reaction theory, it's gives rise to a culture of sensationalists, calling any shocking and/or abhorrent thing art.

Also, I think without first agreeing upon a definition of art, this topic will always be sort of vague and without conclusion.

[V Profane]

Cinema, potentially, though very rarely actually.

[kuranes]

I wasn't. :sadbanana: I was serious............ *sigh* oh, well. So much for any logical, rational, thought out response to this.I'm unclear why you thought my joke applied to your post. Lighten up, banana.

To say nothing of the fact that most films contain music within them.

[MacGuffin]

Storytelling.

[purveyor of truth]

Music. Music has an intrinsic value that puts it above the others. Our brains are hard wired to react to music as they are to language. Music is called the language of emotion, but it does so much more. It is tied into memory, the thalmus, hippocampus, cerebellum and most parts of our brain. It affects us in so many more ways than visual art. Performance art often includes music. Movies include music precisely because it enhances the viewers reaction to the scene. It gives the viewer "clues" as to the nature of the scene. Ever listen to a piece of music you haven't heard since you were a teenager or child? It can bring you back to a scene so completely that you feel like you felt in that scene. Not just emotions, but the person you were.

Now THAT is highly superior. It BECOMES a part of us. We do music because music is part of our ability to have concepts. Very few other creatures have this. They may have certain sounds that seem musical, for certain reasons, such as mating. But they do not manipulate those sounds, as we do in music. It is in it's own way a language. And is not our ability to have language much more significant than our ability to do art forms?
Music is the only form of art I have any patience or interest in.

[Resonance]

Storytelling.

Bullshit?

[CreativeChaos]

I'm unclear why you thought my joke applied to your post. Lighten up, banana.

To say nothing of the fact that most films contain music within them.

I knew your joke didn't apply to me. I just used it to reiterate my statement and add more. Sorry kuranes. And yeah, you just restated my argument. Most films contain music to add suspense, play with your emotions, even help you to interpret a scene, and that something is comming etc. Music, like language has semantics, syntax, the whole works.

[MacGuffin]

Bullshit?

Yes.

[CreativeChaos]

WOW, you need to talk to my mom.

She is also an S-LP with a master's in music and is doing a Ph.D. on group music therapy for parkinson's/stroke/etc. patients.

Really? Crap! I would like to meet your mom. Ackk! I would say more, but I don't want to loose anonyminity. *PMs*

[Unapplied Knowledge]

The objective answer to this is that the highest form of art is whatever an individual most values subjectively.

[kuranes]

I knew your joke didn't apply to me. I just used it to reiterate my statement and add more. Sorry kuranes.
* shrug * The way it was written seemed to indicate that you thought you were being frustrated or thwarted.


And yeah, you just restated my argument. Most films contain music .......That's why the OP's urging to see which one is "best" didn't make sense to me, in one respect, since, in effect, one is comparing music against music.

Sounds like an interesting field that you're in, though. I had an old girlfriend that was studying music therapy, and she'd take me along sometimes when she was playing music for patients at the local mental hospital, as part of her internship or whatever. I played them some extremely calming stuff like "Beaver and Krause" and once a little Jimi Hendrix...;)

You should read that book "This is Your Brain on Music". There were some others I've read recently that might fit your focus also...

[CreativeChaos]

* shrug * The way it was written seemed to indicate that you thought you were being frustrated or thwarted.
That's why the OP's urging to see which one is "best" didn't make sense to me, in one respect, since, in effect, one is comparing music against music.

Sounds like an interesting field that you're in, though. I had an old girlfriend that was studying music therapy, and she'd take me along sometimes when she was playing music for patients at the local mental hospital, as part of her internship or whatever. I played them some extremely calming stuff like "Beaver and Krause" and once a little Jimi Hendrix...;)

You should read that book "This is Your Brain on Music". There were some others I've read recently that might fit your focus also...

Well, I was frustrated and your quote fit my frustration.

Yeah, I have that book and have read it, plus the 150 or so references in my thesis. "Music, Language, and the Brain", by Aniruddh D. Patel is a great one, too. More scholarly though. It's an extremely interesting field. I love it!

[notjeffgoldblum]

Bullshit?

Bible.

[MacGuffin]

Bible.

Now that is some powerful art.

[CreativeChaos]

The objective answer to this is that the highest form of art is whatever an individual most values subjectively.

No, the most objective answer is the one I gave. :P There's nothing subjective about it. It is all well documented in Neuroscience.

[floid]

The highest form of art can be fully appreciated by the completely artless.

The lowest forms of art, which are often called high art, are nothing more than a circle jerk among a group of narcissists.

[HoneyCyclical]

This has got to be a joke, right?

[stuck]

lol suffer hc SUFFFFFER

[fripping]

whichever one moves you the most. fat man with floating pink piano

[MoneyJungle]

There is no art but mime.

[ghost]

Can smells be art too?

[teleforce]

This has got to be a joke, right?
explain? i'm curious.

[fripping]

Can smells be art too?

YES

[Resonance]

explain? i'm curious.

Honeycyclical, like all non-philosopher INFPs, is an art history major.

[teleforce]

Honeycyclical, like all non-philosopher INFPs, is an art history major.
oh. i'm a painting/drawing major. funny huh

[Resonance]

what are you trying to say

tell ya what why don't you try swallowing first

[teleforce]

i don't know what's happening right now.

[Resonance]

that's ok you wouldn't remember it in the morning either way

[teleforce]

^
http://i34.tinypic.com/b518xv.jpg

[pangolin]

If by "highest form", using form to mean medium and highest to mean best, then you are asking us to compare apples and oranges, as different media do different things and work in different ways. Your definition of art as something that expresses something is basically an ok broadest definition.

Good art has aesthetic quality, is skillfully made, and evokes thought in the audience (most successfully if such thoughts include those intended by the artist). One may judge that the quality and depth of thought evoked (especially if it includes that intended by the artist) is correspondingly better. Art that must be explained, is poorly made, and/or has no aesthetic quality is bad art. Art that both has aesthetic quality and is skillfully made, but has no especial meaning may be judged according to those qualities, but basically falls into the middle ground of decorative art.

One might suppose that the more forms of communication/expression that are used in an artwork, the better it is. In this case, artforms that incorporate visual, musical and dramatic (narrative) components might be judged supreme. That would generally include cinema, video games, musical theater and religious ritual (variably), to varying degrees.

[jyng1]

Like I said; Banksy

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/kissingcoppers3.jpg

[a4architect]

lol

[a4architect]

it is said that architecture is the highest form of art

[Fingers]

I think adverts are a high form of art, they have to continually evolve the way they persuade a person to buy products.

[Enthalpy]

Thought. All media attempt to convey an idea, a feeling, a process, a shape, a concept, a motion, an image, anything that can be packaged into a single thought. Originally, it was assumed that the intention was to convey the same thought as the author and/or performer, and that is still largely the case today, but it is proven over and over again that this does not have to be the case.

I would say that the 'height' of an art form can be judged by how effectively and efficiently it generates thoughts in the audience; as a tiebreaker, how close those thoughts are to those of the conceiver.

Agree/disagree?


www[dot]mymodernmet[dot]com/profiles/blogs/the-five-main-differences

Just something I came accross the other day..

[Corbin]

Shouldn't literature be added to the list?

I think all forms are capable of being 'The Highest' depending on who is experiencing that art.

I personally get a lot more from music and literature, and not so much from visual art.

[1104]

you're dividing art by media that are used?

if we were to determine the "highest" form of art by your definitions, we'd just be putting effort into what would essentially be an elaborate tally on the pros and cons of each medium. waste of time.

[teleforce]

www[dot]mymodernmet[dot]com/profiles/blogs/the-five-main-differences

Just something I came accross the other day..
what an example of bad design.

[!diom]

Visual art is best.

[ciphersort]

Cinema, potentially, though very rarely actually.

That.

[CreativeChaos]

That.

Hey! With all that beautiful music you have, you didn't vote music? :sadbanana:

[ciphersort]

Hey! With all that beautiful music you have, you didn't vote music? :sadbanana:

Instead of deciding which form is highest I prefer them all at the same time. As vsv stated though it is rare that it all comes together just right. I would have said interactive video games, but do not feel they have approached the cinema level yet (close occasionally...). If I had to choose only one specific form it would be music.

[brntout]

Nutting

[Phreon]

The OP belies a larger question. In art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (subjective), but isn't doing art ultimately more satisfying than observing it?

http://www.anseladams.com/ProductImages/seps/05010117.jpg

Who enjoys this photograph more? Me in my interpretation or Ansel in it's making?

Consumption or expression?

Phreon

[HoneyCyclical]

Honeycyclical, like all non-philosopher INFPs, is an art history major.

Is a major? I graduated from University seven years ago. I did not major in Art History.

[Resonance]

Is a major? I graduated from University seven years ago. I did not major in Art History.

owned

[Perseus]

Who said that (my words) "that there is no practical distinction between arts and science because they are both based on observations in nature" ?

I mistakingly thought this was true, It is not. Artists have a different cognition from scientists. They do not even see in the same way ? !

[avolkiteshvara]

Did any geeks say "math" yet?

[1104]

aw you beat me to it.

[stuck]

John Kilduff is on the right track to making ideal art.

.

[Architectonic]

Living is clearly the highest form of art.

[UniversalMagnetism]

John Kilduff is on the right track to making ideal art.

.

Is this a joke? LOL.

[happyman]

What I'm asking you is, do any of them have intrinsic values to put them above any others? Are they all the same?

I'd say music. It has an immediate effect on the deepest level, affects the core of the brain (termites work twice as fast if you play them some heavy metal - seriously, scientifically tested) . It crosses all language barriers and most of the cultural ones.
It also imposes the least on the 'receiver', because is much more abstract than other art forms.

(About others: literature has probably the biggest chance to change somebodies values, due to both rational and emotional effect and the time it takes to read one book - you're under the influence a long time/ video games - the interactive thing is amazing, it makes you a part of the creation)


Do I sound like a pretentious asshole?
Just a little bit, do you care?

[stuck]

Is this a joke? LOL.

He's actually pretty sincere. Don't look too long or you'll surely fall in love.

LOL the callers always calling in to shout out gang allegiances.

"I LIEK TO PAINT I LIEK TO MAKE JUICES AND I WANT TO SUCK YO DEEECK"

[Harion]

Do I sound like a pretentious asshole?

I'd say that art is better when the scale weighing concept and aesthetic function is tipped toward concept. In other words, I'm a contemporary art enthusiast. Artistic memesis (the precise documentation of reality purely for the sake of documention, prized by the ancient greeks) is not appealing to me; a facsimile of reality is valueless without deeper meaning behind it.
no. he does.

and the highest form of art is and always will be SEX.

and this


Good art has aesthetic quality, is skillfully made, and evokes thought in the audience (most successfully if such thoughts include those intended by the artist). One may judge that the quality and depth of thought evoked (especially if it includes that intended by the artist) is correspondingly better. Art that must be explained, is poorly made, and/or has no aesthetic quality is bad art. Art that both has aesthetic quality and is skillfully made, but has no especial meaning may be judged according to those qualities, but basically falls into the middle ground of decorative art.

and this

The highest form of art can be fully appreciated by the completely artless.

The lowest forms of art, which are often called high art, are nothing more than a circle jerk among a group of narcissists.
so there, the highest form of art is which that cuts across all classes, ages, sex, crosses all boundaries, cultural gaps and appeals to the widest audiences

[Enthalpy]

What about beauty - fine, art is debatable, but what is the "highest form of" beauty? As INTP's and thinkers and observers and the like we should be the right people to ask the question: What is ultimately, truly, sincerely, ponder-inspiringly beautiful?

[Resonance]

What about beauty - fine, art is debatable, but what is the "highest form of" beauty? As INTP's and thinkers and observers and the like we should be the right people to ask the question: What is ultimately, truly, sincerely, ponder-inspiringly beautiful?
Space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3cVQcfb-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NAW1U-swc

[avolkiteshvara]

John Kilduff is on the right track to making ideal art.

.

Kind of reminds me of Jim Spagg. He did cable access in Portland back in the early 90s. He get naked and then show a bunch of footage from nude beaches.

Spagg

[fripping]

and avol whips out the jim spagg. . . it's no surprise at this point.is von hummer still on? maybe he's been replaced with something trendier still.

[djm]

The highest form of art is nature, or rather an appreciation of it.

[fripping]

The highest form of art is nature, or rather an appreciation of it.

way to kill the thread with a correct answer.

[Neville]

There exists only one who creates at the highest peak that is art.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/thomas kinkade_Christmas Cottage.jpg

[fripping]

There exists only one who creates at the highest peak that is art.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/thomas kinkade_Christmas Cottage.jpg

christmas lights in paintings! brilliant! :worthy:

[Yosako]

The OP belies a larger question. In art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (subjective), but isn't doing art ultimately more satisfying than observing it?

http://www.anseladams.com/ProductImages/seps/05010117.jpg

Who enjoys this photograph more? Me in my interpretation or Ansel in it's making?

Consumption or expression?

Phreon
The photo speaks for itself. Nice pic! ;)

[Yosako]

and the highest form of art is and always will be SEX.
Sex is not an art. Arts transcend the "here and now"...
Music, architecture, sculpture, painting, photography are arts which are also a language of their own.

[happyman]

Sex is not an art. Arts transcend the "here and now"...
Music, architecture, sculpture, painting, photography are arts which are also a language of their own.

Umm.. Dance?

also..
Poetical improvisation/any kind of spoken word?

That is not a good definition.

[Yosako]

Umm.. Dance?

also..
Poetical improvisation?
Fireworks?

Fireworks are cool but that doesn't make them art. :p
As for dance and poetry...I wouldn't consider them "arts".

[doob]

http://www.crapperdoodle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/crapperDoodleMainImage/door_question%20(1).jpg


The highest form of art can be fully appreciated by the completely artless.

The lowest forms of art, which are often called high art, are nothing more than a circle jerk among a group of narcissists.




and the highest form of art is and always will be SEX.

and this

and this

so there, the highest form of art is which that cuts across all classes, ages, sex, crosses all boundaries, cultural gaps and appeals to the widest audiences


the only "art" form that fits these criteria... dance.


...where's Aelan?

[WroughtInChaos]

A sublime aesthetic work with a profound symbolic value...an aesthetic metaphor.

[Cbug]

Any media of art that tells the most insightful stories is highest form of art. Therefore, novels, short stories and the rare film do it for me. I can imagine that in the future video games could transcend literature, but there isn't enough variety for me at the moment, I could be wrong but from what I've seen most of the stories in video games are stale and cliche, mass production doesn't allow original ideas to germinate freely.

[Yosako]

mass production doesn't allow original ideas to germinate freely.

On movies and music that's quite an issue. Ever found most films shallow? Or bought a CD just to listen to one or two songs, since the rest is a load of crap? So much for mass media.

[vSv]

Pain.

[fripping]

Pain.

http://www.rso.wmich.edu/ultimate/random/kool-aid-man.jpg

[vSv]

http://www.rso.wmich.edu/ultimate/random/kool-aid-man.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8160/bendover.png

[fripping]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8308/1162481812034.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/1162481812034.jpg/)

[vSv]

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/taylorbell_photo/boxxy-trolling.jpg

[fripping]

naw dawg, naw.

[kali]

Hiiii, my name is boxxy, most of you know me as boxxy, a lot of people don't know me as multi lunchbox.

[fripping]

what the hell, everybody knows tabby is the new boxxy.

[kali]

no no no :dont:

[fripping]

no no no :dont:

get back to work!

[kali]

AHHHH

i don't like tabby.

[fripping]

you're not supposed to like tabby! you're supposed to work!

*sends mashy back to the wheel of pain*

[HoneyCyclical]

lawn mower weedwack combover clusterfuck youtube tabbylastic

Please tell me that is a wig and she didn't actually pay money to have her hair cut that way.
It really does look like a cheap wig.
I know you know the truth about her wig since you are her manager. I hope you are getting a good cut (of the profits...not the hair).

Wait a ...OMGorsh! Maddy and Fripping are the same person!
I would show a side by side picture likeness but it's illegal to repost a "what we look like" pic.

But I am gonna write a song about it and get this guy to sing it.
http://www.searchviews.com/wp-content/themes/clean-copy-full-3-column-1/images/chocolate-rain.jpg

It'll be called "Fripping Rain".

It makes me cry just thinking about it.

[UniversalMagnetism]

WTF...I can only hope those two girls are really just internet actors capitalizing on being able to act like a douche and get popular for it...otherwise I would be incredibly frightened if I ever had to sit in a room with them.

[Chloe]

WTF...I can only hope those two girls are really just internet actors capitalizing on being able to act like a douche and get popular for it...otherwise I would be incredibly frightened if I ever had to sit in a room with them.

i think tabby is acting, boxxy isn't. this is why i luv boxxy. <3

http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/handsigns/menu007005.jpg

[fripping]

i feel the opposite way. . . for exactly the same reason.

[Chloe]

are you bad people reader ?
common, it's obvious tabby is acting.
for boxxy you can't be sure, but i guess not.

[kali]

boxxy is the highest form of art

[fripping]

i agree with you tabby is acting, but i appreciate the effort she puts in to make it more interesting. where boxxy is just "listen to my dumb shit as if it were important, i'm not going to do anything extra to entertain you except touch my face a lot."

[kali]

i agree with you tabby is acting, but i appreciate the effort she puts in to make it more interesting. where boxxy is just "listen to my dumb shit as if it were important, i'm not going to do anything extra to entertain you except touch my face a lot."

fripping's favourite pastime:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/e/ed/OldChanBoxxy.jpg/800px-OldChanBoxxy.jpg

[fripping]

is that the guy from breaking bad? that's a good photoushoppe. i also enjouy cookinge meth.

[stuck]

holy fuck jim spagg is frightening

[fripping]

that's just the beginning, the more you watch the more you suspect he's a rapist who lucked his way out of jail.

edit: internet says he spent time in jail but not for what or how long. surprise!

[avolkiteshvara]

Holly Molly Gargonzoli

Far Out Crazy Scene Man



I've had nightmares of Jim Spagg's shriveled little penis playing guitar with a wig.

[fripping]

jumping gee horsey farts.
mamma mia pizzeria.

it doesn't matter how much time passes, his muff diver song refuses to be forgotten.

[avolkiteshvara]

jumping gee horsey farts.
mamma mia pizzeria.

it doesn't matter how much time passes, his muff diver song refuses to be forgotten.

Are you a NW guy also?

Did you have the pleasure of witnessing that ugly acid trip of a show on public access.

[fripping]

Are you a NW guy also?

Did you have the pleasure of witnessing that ugly acid trip of a show on public access.

yes i am and yes i did. it was kind of nice being a teenager and stumbling on the occasional porn scene in the middle of daytime television but the package it came with was sooooooo not worth it. he did a naked music video to weezer's hashpipe. :dont:

[avolkiteshvara]

Don't remember that one.


I do remember waiting up late at night like 2 am to pleasure myself. I figured my mom wouldn't walk in on me in my room that late. I'd get started after seeing some girl and get close to finishing........and then fucking Spagg would come on start talking and showed up naked. Most frustrating shit ever.

[fripping]

Don't remember that one.


I do remember waiting up late at night like 2 am to pleasure myself. I figured my mom wouldn't walk in on me in my room that late. I'd get started after seeing some girl and get close to finishing........and then fucking Spagg would come on start talking and showed up naked. Most frustrating shit ever.

:yes:

[stuck]

So he'd trick you (teenaged boys) into masturbating while he danced around naked?

That's advanced.

[LazyReed]

most art is merely a shadow of a shadow of a shadow......(personalized delusion).

For me, art only makes sense if it's made subordinate to the political or spiritual dimension of human life. Otherwise it's ideological trash.

""What we demand is the unity of politics and art, the unity of content and form, the unity of revolutionary political content and the highest possible perfection of artistic form. Works of art which lack artistic quality have no force, however progressive they are politically. On questions of literature and art we must carry on a struggle on two fronts." -Mao Tse-Tung

[dtachh]

i dont know i think its cool when you combine differnet mediums, like looking at pictures or muted video while listening to some trippy songs.

[kali]

Orlan uses plastic surgery as a medium. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/cloudflashicon/Smileys/Nodding.gif

http://jdonohu5.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/orlan2.jpg