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Star Cannon
22 Aug 2004, 01:27 AM
This is relevant because... :D A virgo INTP can most certainly be different from a Saggitarius INTP. See what I mean? :nerd:

It's not as irrelevant as one would think. (gimme some time to figure out why, my intuition is telling me that it's a pretty deep question.)

FYI: I'm a virgo

Edit by NGene: You forgot Pisces, I added that to the poll.

Melody
22 Aug 2004, 01:34 AM
Aquarius *drinks his Diet Pepsi*

http://www.dietpepsi.com

jittus rye
22 Aug 2004, 01:56 AM
Your sign is dependent upon the days of the year you were born, so, it could have a minute baring on one's personality for the simple fact that people would have different life events at different times. For example, going to school younger or older than average, christmas and birthday at the same time.

Birdsnest
22 Aug 2004, 01:57 AM
Your birth date, time zone, birth hour are what you need and if you are doing it yourself, you can go to a bookstore and buy an ephemeris for the year you were born, which has the logs for the planets and positions. Then you start with your ascendant in the first house, and plug in the planets into each house from there. If your planets are splayed more in the lower hemisphere, you are more introverted. If they are mostly in the upper hemisphere, you are more extroverted. If you don't want to buy an ephemeris, you can get your chart here, and after you enter your birth date, time and place, click on personal portrait:

http://www.astro.com/cgi/ade.cgi?ract=ahor.cgi&

www.stariq.com is good, as is www.astrodienst.com if you want to get that information.


I have a Capricorn sun, Scorpio Rising, Gemini moon, born in the year of the earth dog in '58. Dogs and Dragons should never mix. I need a Rabbit, Tiger, Horse.

file cabinet
22 Aug 2004, 03:02 AM
I think I'm a libra.. I know it starts with an L

Avengardh
22 Aug 2004, 05:53 AM
Gemini Sun (still close to Taurus), Leo Ascendant, Pisces moon.

And I agree, it's all relevant, ^___^ for some reason I like earthy signs, specifically Taurus and Virgo...weird.

~*Aven*~

Melody
22 Aug 2004, 07:02 AM
I agree with Maddox on this issue.

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=astrology

Strephonade
22 Aug 2004, 10:52 AM
Taurus sun, Pisces moon, Leo ascendant.


"If you believe everything you read, better not read."

--unknown

jimkopelli
22 Aug 2004, 02:30 PM
I'm gonna have to second Maddox. What about the Chinese zodiac?

jittus rye
22 Aug 2004, 03:17 PM
Ohh I am a dragon in the chinese thing..

Star Cannon
22 Aug 2004, 06:53 PM
I'm a dragon. *nod*

Melody
22 Aug 2004, 08:15 PM
I'm a pig. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/tocca/msmsgsIconCry.png

Avengardh
22 Aug 2004, 11:52 PM
Rat, go rats!

~*Aven*~

Avengardh
22 Aug 2004, 11:53 PM
Taurus sun, Pisces moon, Leo ascendant.


"If you believe everything you read, better not read."

--unknown

When where you born? I am assuming 1984, perhaps late May? Just wondering, since you have my same moon sign and ascendant.

CosmicDust
23 Aug 2004, 12:51 AM
Western: Leo sun, Pisces moon, Sagittarius rising
Asian: Monkey

Fact about Asian signs that people seem to discover relatively late: those who were born early in the Western year, before the Asian lunar new year, are the sign before the one they deduce from their placemat at the Chinese restaurant.

Fact about Western signs: the Sun is generally in the constellation before the one your sign is named after. This is due to precession - the orientation of the sky has moved with respect to the distant stars, so the bands in the sky now hold different constellations. Also, most of the sign Sagittarius is not in Scorpius, but in a region of the sky modern astronomers assign to the constellation Ophiuchus.

Johnny
23 Aug 2004, 01:10 AM
I know little to nothing about astrology, except for my sign - Capricorn.

I admit to perusing the astrology advice section in the newspaper on occasion, but I have a hard time identifying personally with it.

ohnoaninfp
23 Aug 2004, 03:02 AM
I am an Aries and on the Chinese thing I am a rat. I don't really go for the astrology bit though.

HairlessBluetick
23 Aug 2004, 03:02 PM
Cancer, Rat.

NGene
23 Aug 2004, 05:38 PM
Gaah! You're a nazi! You are discriminating Pisces by not adding that to the poll! What do you have against Pisces, anyway? Argh!

j/k ;) :D

Fortunately I could use my Admin powers and add it to the poll. And, as you probably guessed, I'm Pisces myself. :D

cloakable
23 Aug 2004, 05:44 PM
Leo, Rat.

Crazy
23 Aug 2004, 07:17 PM
Ok, I am a saggitarius, and I can't remember my chinese, I think it's the sheep.

Witticism
23 Aug 2004, 07:37 PM
Libra, Snake. 'social' is, rather amusingly, strong traits of both.

Claverhouse
23 Aug 2004, 08:09 PM
Scorpio --- the good guys of the universe.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ Lies ! All lies, I tell you ! ]

[ But then I would, wouldn't I ? ]

Strephonade
24 Aug 2004, 02:02 AM
Taurus sun, Pisces moon, Leo ascendant.


"If you believe everything you read, better not read."

--unknown

When where you born? I am assuming 1984, perhaps late May? Just wondering, since you have my same moon sign and ascendant.

Suddenly, I feel a bit shy, but I'm also somewhat flattered by the question. I will say that my year and month are considered rather compatible with that year and that month. :)

Sugaraddict2702
24 Aug 2004, 02:26 PM
pisces, or a rabbit. Most of the descriptions seem accurate for me, but usually I only read them for fun :)

Ellen*

shaytana
24 Aug 2004, 08:38 PM
Aquarius, and by the chinese calendar, Rabbit.

Hunter
24 Aug 2004, 09:30 PM
Libra, Rat.

Funny how if you look at the typical description of a Libra, I'm almost the exact opposite.

Vagabond
25 Aug 2004, 10:13 PM
Pisces, but on the line with Aquarius... half-type is my damnation *sigh*

INTrPosr
26 Aug 2004, 05:27 PM
Let's see...... If you break the existing results down, this is what it shows:

Fire Signs
Aries 9% [ 3 ]
Leo 6% [ 2 ]
Sagittarius 9% [ 3 ]

Earth Signs
Taurus 9% [ 3 ]
Virgo 15% [ 5 ]
Capricorn 6% [ 2 ]

Air Signs
Gemini 9% [ 3 ]
Libra 9% [ 3 ]
Aquarius 6% [ 2 ]

Water Signs
Cancer 6% [ 2 ]
Scorpio 3% [ 1 ]
Pisces 12% [ 4]

Based on the correlations of type and astrology, it's my understanding that fire correlates to intuition, earth to sensing, air to thinking and water to feeling. Doesn't add up.

Avengardh
26 Aug 2004, 09:40 PM
Let's see...... If you break the existing results down, this is what it shows:

Fire Signs
Aries 9% [ 3 ]
Leo 6% [ 2 ]
Sagittarius 9% [ 3 ]

Earth Signs
Taurus 9% [ 3 ]
Virgo 15% [ 5 ]
Capricorn 6% [ 2 ]

Air Signs
Gemini 9% [ 3 ]
Libra 9% [ 3 ]
Aquarius 6% [ 2 ]

Water Signs
Cancer 6% [ 2 ]
Scorpio 3% [ 1 ]
Pisces 12% [ 4]

Based on the correlations of type and astrology, it's my understanding that fire correlates to intuition, earth to sensing, air to thinking and water to feeling. Doesn't add up.

Hmm, I agree, Virgo is ruled by mercury (and so is Gemini) so that might have to do with it, as well as Pisces being ruled by Neptune, which is the planet of inspiration/creativity, I would say INTPs are creative.
All around I think it's pretty spread out though, which doesn't surprise me.

~*Aven*~

CosmicDust
27 Aug 2004, 03:25 PM
Birth chart data would have to be correlated with genetics to really convince me.

Miss Padfoot
29 Aug 2004, 02:25 PM
I didn't expect any INTPs to believe in astrology. I guess I was wrong.

I agree with Maddox, CosmicDust, and Functianalyst.

Spartan26
1 Sep 2004, 09:45 AM
I'm a Libra. Born in the year of the Monkey. Never got into astrology. I don't know what my major characteristics or traits are supposed to be. I gotta feeling I only exhibit part of them because people will ask if I'm on the cusp to explain any inconsistencies.

I knew what my bio rythym numbers were when I was in grade school - about the last time I read any of those charts. I used to wonder did you have to be a certian age for that stuff to supposedly kick in. It's like you read, "You'll find romance and new career outlook" Well, hey, that's great. I'm only eight.

I remember being at a fair once and a palm reader having a sign saying she wouldn't read anyone under 16. Can't imagine that giving her more street cred and it was well before the liability disclaimer days. Maybe it was too much like her day gig. I wonder was she a guidence counselor.

Sam172
1 Sep 2004, 01:53 PM
Scorpio here, born in the year of the Fire Rabbit.

I have no idea if i'm on a cusp or i'm rising something......:(



Supposedly my lucky element is Water though :D. And I love water.

MacGuffin
1 Sep 2004, 02:31 PM
It is not that I don't believe that the universe can't impact our life. I think it can. Gravity acts out over very long distances. I just don't believe that anyone has figured out what it means.

Being able to project what will happen to someone based on the day, hour and minute they were born? Daily readings based on the stars?

No way.

Besides the universe is expanding. The stars do not move through the same locations every year. Last February is not the same as next February. Or any February for that matter. And tying it to mythical astrological signs is crazy.

Slider
1 Sep 2004, 02:38 PM
I have a Capricorn sun, Scorpio Rising, Gemini moon, born in the year of the earth dog in '58. Dogs and Dragons should never mix. I need a Rabbit, Tiger, Horse.

I'm cap sun and scorpio rising as well. can't remember the moon. And I'm a dog too.

edit: okay, I'm aries moon.

Birdsnest
1 Sep 2004, 03:34 PM
Hey Slider, glad to know it. This hurricane is a worry isn't it?

jimkopelli
1 Sep 2004, 04:12 PM
Virgo, Tiger. Yes, I forgot to put them in the other.

Utopmk
1 Sep 2004, 04:32 PM
Gemini, and in my earlier teenage days I was sucked into astrology, probably because the gemini description so closely resembled the description of INTP.

Slider
1 Sep 2004, 06:13 PM
Hey Slider, glad to know it. Looks like we're both in the Southeast, I'm not far from Florida, just north of Jacksonville, FL in Georgia. This hurricane is a worry isn't it? Sending positive energy for us all to stay safe through this hurricane. I believe I need to get some of those extra heavy plastic hefty bags to wrap computers and tv's in, because that storm surge could get high, and I am not looking forward to this. Stay safe and take care! If you are near Jacksonville, let me know!

actually I'm in Jax for college. going home this weekend (central FL). we got hit pretty hard by Charley, esp considering we're inland. this one should be interesting.

nobarcode
1 Sep 2004, 07:42 PM
Aquarius, Pisces ascendant, Mercury in Aquarius, Moon in Libra, Venus in Aries, Mars in Scorpio.

Birdsnest
1 Sep 2004, 08:24 PM
Be safe, thats the most important thing.

Slider
1 Sep 2004, 09:44 PM
lol, don't worry. just get your water and gas and canned food and kick back at home for awhile.

Google Monster
2 Sep 2004, 01:00 AM
Feb 28, 1982.

I am those two fishies but the year of what animal i do not know. And too lazy to look it up right now.

GraviTass
13 Sep 2004, 07:05 PM
I'm Sun in Aries , Capricorn Ascendant and Moon in Capricorn (Tropical zodiac ) . Then as I recall I'm Sun in Pisces , Saggitarius Rising and Moon in Saggitarius (Siderial Zodiac ). My Chinese sign is the Snake .

I searched for meaning in these systems and found them riddled with arbitrariness . The fact that our popular horoscopes do NOT t take the precession of the equinoxes into considedration , merely representing a sort of metaphorical mandala really cheesed me off . I sold MOST of my astrology books , He He ( ideas are not barriers !)

Avengardh
13 Sep 2004, 08:25 PM
I'm Sun in Aries , Capricorn Ascendant and Moon in Capricorn (Tropical zodiac ) . Then as I recall I'm Sun in Pisces , Saggitarius Rising and Moon in Saggitarius (Siderial Zodiac ). My Chinese sign is the Snake .

I searched for meaning in these systems and found them riddled with arbitrariness . The fact that our popular horoscopes do NOT t take the precession of the equinoxes into considedration , merely representing a sort of metaphorical mandala really cheesed me off . I sold MOST of my astrology books , He He ( ideas are not barriers !)

Where did you go to check that out? Or what book? Lol, I went to search for mine and I only got Sidereal Taurus, but I couldn't get the other positions. It does make sense that I am Taurus though, just because I am pretty close to that sign, only 3 days away.

~*Aven*~

EternalCynic
13 Sep 2004, 11:41 PM
Aquarius (moon, i think :huh: )
year of the rabbit (yay bunny).

CosmicDust
14 Sep 2004, 01:29 AM
Oh, siderial must be the version that accounts for precession. By that system I'd be Cancer sun/Aquarius moon/Scorpio (or Ophiuchus, more likely, as that constellation takes up most of the sign Sagittarius) rising.

GraviTass
14 Sep 2004, 09:54 AM
Avengardh , check out the website Astrodienst.com (or Astro.com) . You can get all kinds of free charts and permutations there.

Avengardh
14 Sep 2004, 08:03 PM
Avengardh , check out the website Astrodienst.com (or Astro.com) . You can get all kinds of free charts and permutations there.

You know, I never knew they had that option there...and I actually check it once or twice a week, thanks!

s
19 Sep 2004, 08:55 PM
Sag, INTP, Snake, balanced 5 enneagram here.

Don't be afraid.

purple13
19 Sep 2004, 11:38 PM
Aries with Scorpio Rising, Moon in Sagittarius

Dragon (I don't feel like a dragon).

INTrPosr
20 Sep 2004, 10:04 PM
Gemini, and in my earlier teenage days I was sucked into astrology, probably because the gemini description so closely resembled the description of INTP.

Hmm..... I am Gemini also, however, a very early Gemini and never considered myself to have the traits. Although I can be high energy, usually it has to be consciously summoned. I was told by someone that being born at 2:35 a.m. was a reason for my introversion. To me, Geminis seem to resemble ENTPs.

greenintp
22 Sep 2004, 06:26 PM
Libra Rooster

Ckyzxr
28 Sep 2004, 12:49 PM
Some years ago on a blind date, my paired interest asked me what my sign was. Drawing on my socially gifted and wholly appropriate INTP sense of humor, I responded with: "Dead End"

Needless to say... :thumbdow:

cloakable
28 Sep 2004, 01:31 PM
Some years ago on a blind date, my paired interest asked me what my sign was. Drawing on my socially gifted and wholly appropriate INTP sense of humor, I responded with: "Dead End"

Needless to say... :thumbdow:

Hehe, I'm going to have to remember that one. :D

Boozer
28 Sep 2004, 05:43 PM
Capricorn/Snake

Claverhouse
28 Sep 2004, 06:16 PM
WTF is this doing in the Philosophy Section ?




Claverhouse :ph34r:



:blink: :devil: :ph34r:

Avengardh
28 Sep 2004, 07:34 PM
Gemini, and in my earlier teenage days I was sucked into astrology, probably because the gemini description so closely resembled the description of INTP.

Hmm..... I am Gemini also, however, a very early Gemini and never considered myself to have the traits. Although I can be high energy, usually it has to be consciously summoned. I was told by someone that being born at 2:35 a.m. was a reason for my introversion. To me, Geminis seem to resemble ENTPs.

So that's why....I am also an early Gemini, I resemble a lot of the Taurus' traits and get along wonderfully with Tauruses and Virgos, strange.

~*Aven*~

Johnny
28 Sep 2004, 08:53 PM
WTF is this doing in the Philosophy Section ?




Claverhouse :ph34r:



:blink: :devil: :ph34r:

:lol: In the end, it may be as relevant... :devil:

s
28 Sep 2004, 09:00 PM
:lol: :thumbup:

jimkopelli
9 Oct 2004, 01:14 AM
I've been wanting to post this for a while...
http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/roundabout.jpg
That... is my sign.

candela
9 Oct 2004, 11:07 PM
O_O

Strephonade
10 Oct 2004, 02:09 AM
lol! That's great!

Arcael
13 Oct 2004, 06:31 AM
leo ftw?

I was born in 84 :)

INTrPosr
15 Oct 2004, 04:04 PM
These stats are still baffling. I would think that most of us would have some symbol of air sign in our chart. I can possibly understand that fire signs may be high, but it's the overwhelming number of earth signs which make no sense.

My understanding is:

Fire Signs= Intuition
Aries
Leo
Sagittarius

Earth Signs=Sensing
Taurus
Virgo
Capricorn

Air Signs=Thinking
Gemini
Libra
Aquarius

Water=Feeling
Cancer
Scorpio
Pisces

lauriep
15 Oct 2004, 04:49 PM
I'm on the cusp of Pisces and Aquarius. (Water and Air) But it never really seemed to make a lot of sense to me, too cynical guess.

INTrPosr
15 Oct 2004, 10:29 PM
I'm on the cusp of Pisces and Aquarius. (Water and Air) But it never really seemed to make a lot of sense to me, too cynical guess.

I am on the cusp of Taurus/Gemini on the sun, and Pisces//Aries on the rising sign. Makes perfect sense to me. :huh:

Nindy
23 Oct 2004, 09:03 PM
Sagittarius sun, Gemini moon, Capricorn ascendant.

A snake in Chinese astrology.

purple13
23 Oct 2004, 11:00 PM
These stats are still baffling. I would think that most of us would have some symbol of air sign in our chart. I can possibly understand that fire signs may be high, but it's the overwhelming number of earth signs which make no sense.

My understanding is:

Fire Signs= Intuition
Aries
Leo
Sagittarius

Earth Signs=Sensing
Taurus
Virgo
Capricorn

Air Signs=Thinking
Gemini
Libra
Aquarius

Water=Feeling
Cancer
Scorpio
Pisces

Sun signs alone does not a thinker make. I would look at aspects involving Mercury.

Avengardh
23 Oct 2004, 11:03 PM
We are being invaded by Virgos, yay.

Star Cannon
27 Oct 2004, 01:49 AM
Virgos rock! ^^

Avengardh
27 Oct 2004, 02:11 AM
Virgos rock! ^^

I am not a Virgo, but I like them.

Although, to us 6 Geminis (and I know Utop is one) we rule!!

snarled
27 Oct 2004, 02:28 AM
Yup, I'm I Gemini too. We do indeed rock.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/109884Twins.jpg

Avengardh
27 Oct 2004, 02:31 AM
Yup, I'm I Gemini too. We do indeed rock.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/109884Twins.jpg

Redrum ^_^

snarled
27 Oct 2004, 04:15 AM
So then. What star-sign(s), if any, would be considered the most INTP-ish? Purple...?

t
27 Oct 2004, 04:32 AM
i'm a taurus w/ a capricorn moon. i'm as earth sign as they come.

snarled
27 Oct 2004, 04:36 AM
This may be more consistent with many of your views on the topichttp://www.cheyenne-chevron.com/issue1/swamisam01.shtml

I found it amusing.

nobarcode
27 Oct 2004, 05:26 AM
Yup, I'm I Gemini too. We do indeed rock.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/109884Twins.jpg

Redrum ^_^
Do you have the shine? One of my favorites.

purple13
27 Oct 2004, 05:49 PM
So then. What star-sign(s), if any, would be considered the most INTP-ish? Purple...?

Sun signs are probably only .1% of a person's entire chart. It would be interesting to do a study of it though. There was a model developed by Mark Urban-Loraine that had fascinating results, in that it could predict 80% of the time whether a person was an alcoholic.

snarled
27 Oct 2004, 10:49 PM
So then. What star-sign(s), if any, would be considered the most INTP-ish? Purple...?


Sun signs are probably only .1% of a person's entire chart. It would be interesting to do a study of it though. There was a model developed by Mark Urban-Loraine that had fascinating results, in that it could predict 80% of the time whether a person was an alcoholic.

80%!!! Fascinating indeed!

My googling could only pull up:

http://members.rogers.com/dcherniack/hand.htm

"Mark Urban Lorraine... has begun to apply want is called multi-variate discriminate analysis which is fairly simple to describe believe it or not. Ah, what it does is it takes two collections of, of data. One has a characteristic, one does not have a characteristic. It feeds the program these two sets of data and gives it a collection of parameters to examine. The program then finds a collection or a complex of perimeters that distinguishes the group that has the trait from the ones does not have the trait. And the first case was members of AA in Michigan versus random population ah, persons. Well so you feed the two groups together and the program derives what's called a discriminate function. That is a function which allows you to discriminate between the two samples. Then you take two more samples one with the population, one without, you scramble them together and you see how well the discriminate function by the program can separate the two back out. Well in every case where he's tried it and he's now tried in cases, in addition to the AA sample in Michigan the program has successfully discriminated between the two populations at a level of confidence way, way above statistical significance. I mean millions to one against chance. I mean just so far beyond range of chance that ah, ah, this constitutes a genuine anomaly from the point of view of conventional science."

I know bugger-all about psychology...(and that freaking transcript gave me a headache) but is it possible that he just stumbled upon some (non-mystical) extraneous/confounding variable? Or am I missing the point - that's what astrology is? Hell, does it matter?

Seraph
27 Oct 2004, 11:02 PM
Virgo rabbit. The very fact that all of us INTP's have different signs indicates that it's total crap.

purple13
28 Oct 2004, 01:06 AM
Virgo rabbit. The very fact that all of us INTP's have different signs indicates that it's total crap.

Once again, you're missing the point. Astrology is not the Sun sign based stuff you read in your daily horoscope. There are so many variables in a person's chart.

purple13
28 Oct 2004, 01:20 AM
I know bugger-all about psychology...(and that freaking transcript gave me a headache) but is it possible that he just stumbled upon some (non-mystical) extraneous/confounding variable? Or am I missing the point - that's what astrology is? Hell, does it matter?

The variables he feeds into his model are based on a person's astrological chart (birth date/time/place). I'm just saying it's worth exploring. And why do most people consider it "mystical"? It's all about energy. If his model was able to demonstrate consistancy across various applications, then there might be something to it.

booyalab
28 Oct 2004, 01:22 AM
I know bugger-all about psychology...(and that freaking transcript gave me a headache) but is it possible that he just stumbled upon some (non-mystical) extraneous/confounding variable? Or am I missing the point - that's what astrology is? Hell, does it matter?

The variables he feeds into his model are based on a person's astrological chart (birth date/time/place). I'm just saying it's worth exploring. And why do most people consider it "mystical"? It's all about energy. If his model was able to demonstrate consistancy across various applications, then there might be something to it.

spurious applications of 'energy'= mystical

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 01:53 AM
If his model was able to demonstrate consistancy across various applications, then there might be something to it.

I agree. In fact, there will most definately be 'something' to it.


spurious applications of 'energy'= mystical

eh? I'm not mystical. :blink: Could you elaborate?

This topic seems like a complete write-off for many 'open-minded' folk...

purple13
28 Oct 2004, 01:59 AM
http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/astrology/quotes.shtml

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 02:00 AM
But I think I know what your sayin as well booya...

booyalab
28 Oct 2004, 02:04 AM
If his model was able to demonstrate consistancy across various applications, then there might be something to it.

I agree. In fact, there will most definately be 'something' to it.


spurious applications of 'energy'= mystical

eh? I'm not mystical. :blink: Could you elaborate?

This topic seems like a complete write-off for many 'open-minded' folk...

I mean claims of effects of 'energy' that aren't based on the scientific definition of energy or it's purposes. Just because the same word is used in 2 different contexts doesn't mean you can justify it's usage in one context by it's definition in the other. In this case, the alleged 'energy' in astrology is more similar to the definition in mysticism than the scientific definition. So the force in astrology is a lot closer to mysticism than science.

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 02:05 AM
http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/astrology/quotes.shtml


yeah...not those open-minded folk....I meant just the ones on this board. Cheers.

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 02:07 AM
If his model was able to demonstrate consistancy across various applications, then there might be something to it.

I agree. In fact, there will most definately be 'something' to it.


spurious applications of 'energy'= mystical

eh? I'm not mystical. :blink: Could you elaborate?

This topic seems like a complete write-off for many 'open-minded' folk...

I mean claims of effects of 'energy' that aren't based on the scientific definition of energy or it's purposes. Just because the same word is used in 2 different contexts doesn't mean you can justify it's usage in one context by it's definition in the other. In this case, the alleged 'energy' in astrology is more similar to the definition in mysticism than the scientific definition. So the force in astrology is a lot closer to mysticism than science.

Are you sure about this? Ah, yes....semantics.

booyalab
28 Oct 2004, 02:12 AM
Are you sure about this? Ah, yes....semantics.

I'm sorry I forgot you don't know about mysticism. Well western philosophy has just started taking it's cues from eastern philosophy in the last century. Eastern philosophy has some parallels in quantum physics in that they talk about 'one-ness' and an 'energy' moving through all things. But the Eastern philosophers have reached these ideas intuitively, not empirically and then deductively like modern science.

Some westerners have taken a huge intuitive leap in connecting the spiritual one-ness with quantum physics. This is what I meant by 'spurious' applications of energy. A better word might be attributes of energy. Both fit...

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 02:17 AM
*slaps head* oh, THAT mysticism. Point taken.

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 02:21 AM
So the force in astrology is a lot closer to mysticism than science.

So that takes away from astrology how? Unless you think Mysticism is a load of bollocks...

purple13
28 Oct 2004, 04:52 AM
So then. What star-sign(s), if any, would be considered the most INTP-ish? Purple...?


Sun signs are probably only .1% of a person's entire chart. It would be interesting to do a study of it though. There was a model developed by Mark Urban-Loraine that had fascinating results, in that it could predict 80% of the time whether a person was an alcoholic.

80%!!! Fascinating indeed!

My googling could only pull up:

http://members.rogers.com/dcherniack/hand.htm

"Mark Urban Lorraine... has begun to apply want is called multi-variate discriminate analysis which is fairly simple to describe believe it or not. Ah, what it does is it takes two collections of, of data. One has a characteristic, one does not have a characteristic. It feeds the program these two sets of data and gives it a collection of parameters to examine. The program then finds a collection or a complex of perimeters that distinguishes the group that has the trait from the ones does not have the trait. And the first case was members of AA in Michigan versus random population ah, persons. Well so you feed the two groups together and the program derives what's called a discriminate function. That is a function which allows you to discriminate between the two samples. Then you take two more samples one with the population, one without, you scramble them together and you see how well the discriminate function by the program can separate the two back out. Well in every case where he's tried it and he's now tried in cases, in addition to the AA sample in Michigan the program has successfully discriminated between the two populations at a level of confidence way, way above statistical significance. I mean millions to one against chance. I mean just so far beyond range of chance that ah, ah, this constitutes a genuine anomaly from the point of view of conventional science."

I know bugger-all about psychology...(and that freaking transcript gave me a headache) but is it possible that he just stumbled upon some (non-mystical) extraneous/confounding variable? Or am I missing the point - that's what astrology is? Hell, does it matter?

Interesting. I hadn't seen that transcript. You read the whole thing?
I have a book of Mr. Lorraines, which contains his thesis. The math is over my head, but I did get the jist of it, and it seems like a good approach for the matter at hand. Thanks for posting the link.

snarled
28 Oct 2004, 05:07 AM
Yeah...must admit I speed-read it. Would be good to see the actual footage...especially the way he is talking. Interesting guy. What's his book's title?

purple13
28 Oct 2004, 05:19 AM
It's called "Astrology As Science, a statistical approach" copyright 1981, first printing 1984.

gypseymothlee
6 Nov 2004, 09:57 AM
Virgo/Cock here.
And yes, I find it very amusing.

SheepDog
23 Nov 2004, 01:32 PM
My Sign.

INTrPosr
23 Nov 2004, 07:34 PM
Isn't this poll posted on this forum?

BTW, Sun in Gemini, Moon in Taurus, Aries Rising, Mercury in Gemini, Mars in Aries, Venus in Taurus, Jupiter and Saturn in Capricorn. I think Pluto is in Leo and I can't recall where Uranus and Neptune were.

blue_eye
25 Nov 2004, 01:13 AM
Dog. Capricon; Sun in Capricorn, Moon in Scorpio, Rising in Aries.

Durroch
5 Dec 2004, 11:59 PM
I'm Sagittarius, with Sagittarius rising, Cancer moon and a fire rabbit 9or cat, whichever you prefer) with dragon rising.

Warrior413
8 Dec 2004, 07:04 AM
Sagittarius.

Sackanaka
8 Dec 2004, 08:06 AM
Sag as well... when I look at birthdates, I go back 9 months from that date and try to come up with a reason why that person was created. My birthday's December; sometime during March my parents got busy.
If there are any trends, it might correlate with parental planning (or lack of) strategies/styles, which of course may tie into how the child was raised.

Chicken
20 Dec 2004, 04:57 PM
funny my horoscope and MBTi results are very, very similar

sun gemini with scorpio moon.. good at communication but don't do it because of the scorpio moon being secretive and a little hot tempered.. intellectual and witty.. funny

Six
8 Jan 2005, 10:17 AM
Virgo
Chinese: fire dragon (born leader...sure...:ph34r: )

mgb
8 Jan 2005, 10:36 AM
One of the few Geminis. Its great though, half way between Christmases so I never get shafted on presents.

booyalab
8 Jan 2005, 03:40 PM
I'm a virgo/leo cusp, never mind that the corresponding description fits me well, it's all a load of crap.

matthew0028
12 Jan 2005, 03:04 PM
Leo.

And about the only thing I find worthwhile about horoscopes is Weird Al's song about them. Otherwise, just a load of bunk. (IMNSHO)

jread
12 Jan 2005, 08:53 PM
Sun: Leo
Ascendant: Capricorn
Moon: Virgo

Year of the Sheep

songbird36
12 Jan 2005, 09:14 PM
Sagittarius (but not at all "typical")

waxwing
25 Jan 2005, 02:59 PM
Taurus sun (not typical, except for stubbornness), Gemini rising (seems to fit), and Virgo moon (not sure).

I am skeptical, but still interested. For some reason, I'm often attracted to Leos, but this may be coincidence.

Keira5002
25 Jan 2005, 03:15 PM
Libra sun, Virgo moon, Leo ascendant.

Keira5002
25 Jan 2005, 03:46 PM
Btw. Wasn't Jung a bit into astrology as well?

http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/correspondence.html < You seen that one? Opinions?

I'm sceptical about all of this really.. And I also don't know very much about the MBTI yet, or astrology for that matter.

Crispy
26 Jan 2005, 04:34 PM
I am a pisces, my Chinese sign is tiger

But personelly I don't take horoscopes Seriously at all, bit of fun but I don't think they mean a thing.

CreativeChaos
26 Jan 2005, 06:06 PM
Virgo, born in the year of the Boar.

YardGnome
26 Jan 2005, 06:44 PM
I was born on the year of the COCK...

Bah, Astrology and horoscopes are a bunch of ambiguous nonsense that can be interpreted and innerpersonalized to mean virtually anything...

I used to have a cigarette lighter with the Cancer sign on it (which happens to be my sign). I just thought that was rather ironic. I think they actually stopped selling that lighter.

Acala1
20 Jan 2008, 02:11 PM
Zodiac Sign Cancer...
Chinese Sign Wood Ox...

kuraiken
20 Jan 2008, 03:10 PM
I'm a Sagittarius.(and we're majority 0.0 )

"?"
20 Jan 2008, 04:22 PM
Your birth date, time zone, birth hour are what you need and if you are doing it yourself, you can go to a bookstore and buy an ephemeris for the year you were born, which has the logs for the planets and positions.Agreed, however the ascendant sign has less to do with your personality as you get older. Usually that sign will come into play until you are in your 30's because it's how others see you. Upon maturing, your sun and moon signs come into play. I have a Gemini sun, Taurus moon and Aries ascendant. Mercury is in Gemini, Venus/Taurus and Mars/Aries. These major planets are all in their own signs. The sun and moon gives my personality resonance. As Liz Greene says at astro.com
Internally, according to your individuality, you have a basically strong intellect and are inclined to pursue intellectual activities. Your mind is versatile but strong. You know that you are a very clever person.

The position of the Moon in Taurus, however, influences your personality, and you appear as stubborn, persistent, astute, and determined, often disregarding dictates of your intellect.

Although you are sensuous and attached to material things, you have sufficient taste to set aside your desires, appearing cheerful and sociable in dealing with others.

The key to a better integration of self lies in cultivating the most positive qualities latent in your Moon and Sun signs. Gemini's mental powers and the stability of Taurus can combine in such a way as to assure you of a fortunate life.

AllAboutSoul
21 Jan 2008, 04:53 AM
Zodiac sign - Cancer
Chinese sign - Monkey

Ellipsis
21 Jan 2008, 05:03 AM
This would be a great tool to analyze sexual/conception trends...

s0978
21 Jan 2008, 05:49 AM
Moved fr Philosophy.

Kathara
24 Jan 2008, 11:40 AM
Sun: Libra
Ascendant: Saggitarius
Chinese: Dog (or as one of my professor once said - bitch!)

Bwian
24 Jan 2008, 03:17 PM
Sun: Scorpio
Chinese: Cock (ahem - Rooster), Metal, Yang (if I remember correctly for those parts)

I'm not that confident that western nor eastern astology actually has any bearing on reality, but anecdotally speaking, I and most of my family members pretty much behave in the way they are described.

Shoot!
24 Jan 2008, 06:50 PM
Zodiac - Virgo
Chinese - Snake (Technically, the Earth Snake)

Uberfuhrer
11 Apr 2008, 03:27 PM
I'm a Pisces sun, Cancer moon, Gemini rising in western astrology I also have strong aspects pointing to Uranus and Pluto, which could possibly be why I identify more with Aquarius and Scorpio.

I'm an Aquarius sun, Gemini moon, and Virgo rising in vedic astrology.

I'm an Ox in eastern astrology.

misterINTP
3 Dec 2008, 12:19 AM
I'm a libra born in the year of the (earth) sheep.

Moon in scorpio.

Corbin
3 Dec 2008, 01:00 AM
My god...

MCYhon
6 Dec 2008, 12:00 PM
I have two.... because my date is Nov 22. So it's both Scorpio and Sagittarius.
Chinese: ox

Andantino
6 Dec 2008, 11:23 PM
Meh. Scorpio.

kble
6 Dec 2008, 11:31 PM
pisces

augi55
6 Dec 2008, 11:41 PM
Gemini.

Really cool how evenly this poll is spread out between each sign.

elfsprin
17 Dec 2008, 12:12 AM
cancer, water dog. i think the descriptions fit me pretty well.

i'm liking the (slight) majority of virgos. given that i fit the cancer profile, my ideal mate is someone who fits the virgo profile. that's what emode told me back in 2004.

Delilah
17 Dec 2008, 12:13 AM
cancer, water dog. i think the descriptions fit me pretty well.

i'm liking the (slight) majority of virgos. given that i fit the cancer profile, my ideal mate is someone who fits the virgo profile. that's what emode told me back in 2004.

I'm a virgo.

:smooch:

cripple
17 Dec 2008, 12:18 AM
leo, 23 august. Borderline virgo I think.

elfsprin
17 Dec 2008, 12:20 AM
I'm a virgo.

:smooch:

:banana:

how you doing?

manza
17 Dec 2008, 12:32 AM
I'm a fuckastrology.

Anonymous
17 Dec 2008, 12:36 AM
I'm a fuckastrology.

:wub:

Also, didn't bluebell already kill one of these things? They're like weeds.

Delilah
17 Dec 2008, 12:37 AM
I'm a fuckastrology.


:wub:

Also, didn't bluebell already kill one of these things? They're like weeds.

:mad:

I was flirting with elfsprin cockblockers!

Anonymous
17 Dec 2008, 12:41 AM
:mad:

I was flirting with elfsprin cockblockers!

Using astrology?! You'll get an STD that way, you know.

Delilah
17 Dec 2008, 12:47 AM
Using astrology?! You'll get an STD that way, you know.

Don't dental dams help prevent astrological infections?

OrionzRevenge
17 Dec 2008, 12:52 AM
Don't dental dams help prevent astrological infections?

Yes, but Cancers can circum-navigate and irritate!
:grin: :grin: :grin:

elfsprin
17 Dec 2008, 03:26 PM
Yes, but Crabs can circum-navigate and irritate!
:grin: :grin: :grin:

fixed.


was that a personal dig at me? just curious.

hegotgenius
17 Dec 2008, 11:59 PM
Pissed off Aquarius, here. So mad this afternoon I had to go outside just to breathe correctly.