Spheres of Influence AKA: The Simpatico 6

[OrionzRevenge]

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In !diom's thread: Attempting to outline the epic battle between good & evil raging at INTPc, I think there was the kernel of a very interesting notion as per his subjective attempt at mapping Spheres of Influence or alliances as !diom sees it. (http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/alliances.JPG)

Adopting Hustler's idea of using the highest posting members as the foci for this experiment and augmenting the listing Oso offered by excluding one long-term inactive poster and one currently inactive poster (who has stated he plans to remain so), I have also added members down to the posting level of Rhu as follows.

MacGuffin
Delilah
Madrigal
kuranes
outmywindow
Ferrus
Ivy
Hustler
attila_the_hunny
ApeTheDog
C.J.Woolf
Limey
Jennifer
Rajah
Anonymous
Nighthawk
bluebell
Rhu

This makes for a collection of 18 foci and (inducing my own subjective notions into this) I suggest we each choose a third or 6 and only 6 members who's personas we deem to have the highest affinity or comfort level vis-a-vis ourselves.

I would offer that mapping this sort of data might prove very interesting fodder for further discussion in !diom's thread and elsewhere.

[elfsprin]

is it your intention for people to vote based solely on how we openly act/post/interact on the forum, or may we include our privately held opinions, preferences, and reactions in our assessment of whom we feel the most affinity with?

[nonperson]

I have voted for those who I like the most.

Everyone should vote Ferrus anyway.........

[OrionzRevenge]

is it your intention for people to vote based solely on how we openly act/post/interact on the forum, or may we include our privately held opinions, preferences, and reactions in our assessment of whom we feel the most affinity with?

Good Question.

Any and all means by which you measure a fellow persona are valid.

Example, I have rarely interacted with MacG, but for some reason I hold him in high esteem.

[stopharian]

Its not a popularity contest...your supposed to choose 6 people who represent different foci amongst spheres of influence whether you like them or not.

[OrionzRevenge]

Its not a popularity contest...your supposed to choose 6 people who represent different foci amongst spheres of influence whether you like them or not.

Maybe what Iddy and Maddy are seeking is different... more or less valid than this approach.

My suggestion is that simpatico should reveal persona alignments.

[Delilah]

I was just going to choose myself and only myself, until I remembered that I irritate me, so I am going to have to give it some more thought.
Or get distracted, forget and not vote.

[elfsprin]

Good Question.

Any and all means by which you measure a fellow persona are valid.


excellent. done.


Its not a popularity contest...your supposed to choose 6 people who represent different foci amongst spheres of influence whether you like them or not.

i agree that this should not be popularity based, but it is based on affinity specifically. i take this to mean an assessment of how much affinity is felt with the way others post, what they post, their deduced motivations or impetus, personal characteristics and overall attitude. where the most surprising affinities may be revealed, then, are where method or commitment differ.

[nonperson]

Its not a popularity contest...your supposed to choose 6 people who represent different foci amongst spheres of influence whether you like them or not.

When I am on my netbook you can't expect me to read posts and answer them.

[stopharian]

Whateves i didnt vote even remotely based on affinity so you can put that in your data set and smoke it.

[OrionzRevenge]

I was just going to choose myself and only myself, until I remembered that I irritate me, so I am going to have to give it some more thought.
Or get distracted, forget and not vote.
Damn Woman!
4 members have already voted you as one of their foci...
If you shun this it's gonna skew my data.

Maybe a pint of blood will buy your participation????


NEWS FLASH: I don't see a lot of simpatico between you and I. However, I DO think you are one of the funniest people here and I often 'feel' (if you can say that here and not get castrated) empathetic towards your IRL woes.




i agree that this should not be popularity based, but it is based on affinity specifically. i take this to mean an assessment of how much affinity is felt with the way others post, what they post, their deduced motivations or impetus, personal characteristics and overall attitude. where the most surprising affinities may be revealed, then, are where method or commitment differ.

^^^ Totes :)

[Delilah]

Maybe a pint of blood will buy your participation????

Thanks, but that won't be necessary, i'm at work, blood bank is right downstairs.



I DO think you are one of the funniest people here


You may want to see a professional about that.

[LastRailway]

I don't get it.
We vote the ones we consider more influential or the ones we have a greater comfort level with?

[OrionzRevenge]

Thanks, but that won't be necessary, i'm at work, blood bank is right downstairs.
...

I'll put it on Ice and have the Bell-Hop take it to your room... Madam. :grin:

[OrionzRevenge]

I don't get it.
We vote the ones we consider more influential or the ones we have a greater comfort level with?

Your comfort level... affinity... esteem ... ease of understanding their POV

[nonperson]

I'll put it on Ice and have the Bell-Hop take it to your room... Madam. :grin:

You are prepared to sacrifice a bell hop for this? :devil:

[LastRailway]

Your comfort level... affinity... esteem ... ease of understanding their POV

Well, I can only think of 2 ATM.

I'll do it later, seeing as I am not in a particularly affinity-like moment right now.

[OrionzRevenge]

You are prepared to sacrifice a bell hop for this? :devil:

Yes, Yes.

My kingdom for Non-Skewed Data.

[Jennywocky]

I hate these tests, you know... wanted to vote for eight people.

(And I can't believe I'm still in the top list after being mostly inactive for 1-2 years. Talk about postwhoring days of youth...<_<)


You are prepared to sacrifice a bell hop for this? :devil:

I thought bellhops were non-persons.

[!diom]

Anyone who voted Limey can suck my lemons.

[Delilah]

I hate these tests, you know... wanted to vote for eight people.

That's why I haven't voted yet. Can't narrow it to six.


Anyone who voted Limey can suck my lemons.

Limey is on my list but I have no intention of sucking anything of yours.

[Yummy]

Oh shit! I want my vote for Anon to go to MacGuffin! I just realized who he is...

[Rincon]

Oh shit! I want my vote for Anon to go to MacGuffin! I just realized who he is...

Who is he?

[OrionzRevenge]

I hate these tests, you know... wanted to vote for eight people.


Simpatico 8???

You know I'm Anal for Alliteration :grin:

[elfsprin]

Anyone who voted Limey can suck my lemons.

:dont:

this is no way to stage a coming out.

[Delilah]

I had a bitch of a time narrowing it to six, so I figured I would just pick the top three men and top three women, but then I realized I counted Mac as a chick. I left it that way.

[teleforce]

i'm not sure but i voted for the ones who have actually talked to me before... at least kinda?

i'm sure others have talked to me too, but

[Anonymous]

Oh shit! I want my vote for Anon to go to MacGuffin! I just realized who he is...

What happened, did you forget that you think I'm a giant douche or something?

I'm also amused that two people who I previously listed as my enemies voted for me.

[Yummy]

What happened, did you forget that you think I'm a giant douche or something?

I'm also amused that two people who I previously listed as my enemies voted for me.
I don't really *know* the majority of the people on that list and picked you because I thought you had a peculiar face lol. Then I remembered who MG was and that's who I want my last vote to go to....

[starla]

I don't really *know* the majority of the people on that list and picked you because I thought you had a peculiar face lol. Then I remembered who MG was and that's who I want my last vote to go to....

What a compliment. Smooth.

[kali]

I voted 7... shoot me :joft:

[OrionzRevenge]

^^^ Hmm, this might require some organic pruning. :grin:

[s0978]

I could have easily voted for 4 or 5 others, but I will go along with the rules of the game.


Your comfort level... affinity... esteem ... ease of understanding their POV

In my case I suspect age has a lot to do with my sense of commonalities, and join date and timing to some extent, because I am only intermittently active on the site.

[teleforce]

What happened, did you forget that you think I'm a giant douche or something?

I'm also amused that two people who I previously listed as my enemies voted for me.

yeah, i shouldn't have.


What a compliment. Smooth.

LOL let that one go, it's funny.

[Anonymous]

yeah, i shouldn't have.



LOL let that one go, it's funny.

:hug:

[teleforce]

:hug:
i swear, every time you do that it makes me want to throw up. ROFL I'M KIDDING!!!

[OrionzRevenge]

<BUMP>

Prostituting on yo Street for more Data Points.

Yes, I am shameless! :)

[Jennywocky]

I voted 7... shoot me :joft:
Always have to lead the revolution, huh?

[kuranes]

It was a tough choice between OMW and Jennifer, as I got to #6.

[OrionzRevenge]

Always have to lead the revolution, huh?


It was a tough choice between OMW and Jennifer, as I got to #6.

Maybe it is an anal imposition to ask for an arbitrary numer equal to a third of the choices.

However, I fear if I had said "have at it", I would have had a lot of diplomatic inclusions, and point making single exclusions.

I hope in this way to assuage some of the concerns of a popularity contest as addressed by Stoph.

[Jennywocky]

Maybe it is an anal imposition to ask for an arbitrary numer equal to a third of the choices.

However, I fear if I had said "have at it", I would have had a lot of diplomatic inclusions, and point making single exclusions.

The easy way to balance it is just to triple the size of the original list. :devil:

No biggie, it just forces one to prioritize. My #7 and #8 were very close to the other six but obviously still not in that cluster, so...

[outmywindow]

I had a hard time deciding how to approach this, but I ended up going with the "foci of spheres of influence option." With that concept in mind, I'd have given a vote to aelan if she were present in the poll.

[Llewellyn]

Just to say that my votes aren't cast in stone (They're mostly on a vague and general impression).
E.g. I didn't vote Madrigal, but I'd like to keep the option open for living in her commune once... ;)

[Madrigal]

Impossible for me to vote for just six, because I feel comfortable with people that are very different from me. Not sure on the criterion.

Mac is probably the one who is most like me personality-wise, Anon is more like me ideologically, and everything else falls between that.

[Qfwfq]

*raises hand* What about those of us who actually are INTP and aren't preoccupied with other posters?


Anyway, if I find any posters here influential, it's probably: you (Orionz), Qualia, Hustler, Neville, Teleforce... though none of you would know it because it's for very odd reasons...

[Madrigal]

*raises hand* What about those of us who actually are INTP and aren't preoccupied with other posters?

Who are you posting at then?

[Qfwfq]

Who are you posting at then?

Hustler's the only one up there I guess.


It would be really cool if we could have a sphere of influence map like this constructed involving all the members at INTPc. Which of you troopers is up for pulling a few all-nighters to get that done?

[Madrigal]

Hustler's the only one up there I guess.


Wrong answer. You just posted to me. And you're gonna do it again. :soap:

[Qfwfq]

Wrong answer. You just posted to me. And you're gonna do it again. :soap:

Oh you mean why do I post at INTPc. For the collective consciousness, like the Borg.

[OrionzRevenge]

Impossible for me to vote for just six, because I feel comfortable with people that are very different from me. Not sure on the criterion.
....
No Maddy, it is you who are: IMMMmm-POSS-ible!
And this from a world leader that would deny the very existence of the State of Ferrus???

In retribution, and as a preemptive measure, we have seized the Isle of Martha's Vineyard (where we expect to find the Mother-Load of Dilithium Crystals in 2073). :grin:


I had a hard time deciding how to approach this, but I ended up going with the "foci of spheres of influence option." With that concept in mind, I'd have given a vote to aelan if she were present in the poll.
+1 for aelan


The easy way to balance it is just to triple the size of the original list. :devil:

No biggie, it just forces one to prioritize. My #7 and #8 were very close to the other six but obviously still not in that cluster, so...
Surprise, Surprise, I see your POV.


Hustler's the only one up there I guess.


It would be really cool if we could have a sphere of influence map like this constructed involving all the members at INTPc. Which of you troopers is up for pulling a few all-nighters to get that done?

Yeppers.

Damn, Damn, Double D DDamn!!!

You see, this is why I'll prolly always be part of the lunatic fringe (the fact that I'm a lunatic not withstanding) at this meta-minded site.

I could heat & beat the mettle of this matter until I'm a dehydrated and tanned grape and we'll never manage the sort of rock-hard razor-sharp Saber of Science I'm used to.

I can weigh you out some reagents, mix them in a flask of DI water, fill a pipette, read the meniscus and tell you what I have measured within a few Parts Per Billion.

...This stuff, at best a trend suggestive of truth.

The questions are:
*** Can we make it trend more towards truth with reasonable effort?
*** What truth do we seek? What should Simpatico mean?
*** Why did the results come up: 42???

If I were to pull a max number of current users completely out my ass (Ouch), of say 200, then…

*** Will a poll support 200 radio button options?
*** Can a Mad-Min supply me with a listing of all users active during the previous week?

If we allow 10 choices per user on such a poll then the resulting connections could reach 2000.

*** Will the mapping software handle this amount of wiring?

[Madrigal]

And this from a world leader that would deny the very existence of the State of Ferrus???


The world is just too fucked up for him. :D (I was gonna include him ok!)

[OrionzRevenge]

^^^ Too Late!
Martha's Vineyard is ours and we have our pop bottle rocket launchers aimed at Cape Cod.

Muh-Hahahahahahahahhahah!

[Qfwfq]

No Maddy, it is you who are: IMMMmm-POSS-ible!
And this from a world leader that would deny the very existence of the State of Ferrus???

In retribution, and as a preemptive measure, we have seized the Isle of Martha's Vineyard (where we expect to find the Mother-Load of Dilithium Crystals in 2073). :grin:


+1 for aelan


Surprise, Surprise, I see your POV.



Yeppers.

Damn, Damn, Double D DDamn!!!

You see, this is why I'll prolly always be part of the lunatic fringe (the fact that I'm a lunatic not withstanding) at this meta-minded site.

I could heat & beat the mettle of this matter until I'm a dehydrated and tanned grape and we'll never manage the sort of rock-hard razor-sharp Saber of Science I'm used to.

I can weigh you out some reagents, mix them in a flask of DI water, fill a pipette, read the meniscus and tell you what I have measured within a few Parts Per Billion.

...This stuff, at best a trend suggestive of truth.

The questions are:
*** Can we make it trend more towards truth with reasonable effort?
*** What truth do we seek? What should Simpatico mean?
*** Why did the results come up: 42???

If I were to pull a max number of current users completely out my ass (Ouch), of say 200, then&#226;€&#166;

*** Will a poll support 200 radio button options?
*** Can a Mad-Min supply me with a listing of all users active during the previous week?

If we allow 10 choices per user on such a poll then the resulting connections could reach 2000.

*** Will the mapping software handle this amount of wiring?

It would be a better idea to put the poll on an outside website, which would simultaneously construct the map as people voted.

Then we could derive statistics from it and people who fall in and out of bell curves for those statistics.

It would be an interesting social experiment, if anything at all. I'm actually writing a pursuassive paper for my philosophy class(elective) against Sartre's existential ideas, with the argument that society behaves like an organism. An exercise like this would provide interesting insight.

[stigmatica]

From the OP:

I suggest we each choose a third or 6 and only 6 members who's personas we deem to have the highest affinity or comfort level vis-a-vis ourselves.

Looking at the "Data" so far, I suspect the title of the thread (which leaves a lot of room for interpretation) was used as a basis for voting more often than the intention in the OP. I don't give this data much credit, as a result.

[Qfwfq]

/off topic: Orionz, do you know any reputable biological suppliers? Specifically genetic material, like enzymes, DNA libraries, cell cultures, viruses(if that's possible) ect. In Canada would be better. I've tried searching some but I'm not sure how to evaluate their credibility/prices ect.

[OrionzRevenge]

From the OP:


I suggest we each choose a third or 6 and only 6 members who's personas we deem to have the highest affinity or comfort level vis-a-vis ourselves.


Looking at the "Data" so far, I suspect the title of the thread (which leaves a lot of room for interpretation) was used as a basis for voting more often than the intention in the OP. I don't give this data much credit, as a result.
inorite?
What a dusted-up Don Quixote am I.
The title was a metaphorical machination of my mind derived by looking at Iddy's Keyhubs network map (below)

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/alliances.JPG

Foolish me, I should have known that a fairly well crafted OP and several attempts to clarify Simpatico would all render simply to dust. :grin:


/off topic: Orionz, do you know any reputable biological suppliers? Specifically genetic material, like enzymes, DNA libraries, cell cultures, viruses(if that's possible) ect. In Canada would be better. I've tried searching some but I'm not sure how to evaluate their credibility/prices ect.

www.carolina.com

Despite the regional implication, you would be hard pressed not to use there supplies, reagents, kits, and live cultures in any (U.S.) high school or college biology courses up to post-doc.

I'm not sure where you wanna go with viruses and whatnot???

When I worked in a municipal water quality lab, our cultures were sent certified by the US Gov't (EPA)

If you do go with Carolina and want to get something kind of dicey, make up a fake laboratory letter head, send a snail-mail invoice and postal money order... if it is something truly dangerous, this will only get you in trouble.

I'm sorry, I worked as a Lab tech at a community college and a water lab and I'm ignorant of other suppliers.

[Qfwfq]

www.carolina.com

Despite the regional implication, you would be hard pressed not to use there supplies, reagents, kits, and live cultures in any (U.S.) high school or college biology courses up to post-doc.

I'm not sure where you wanna go with viruses and whatnot???

Have you ever seen 12 Monkeys? lol jk.

Gene vectors for eukariotic cultures. I'm not sure if I should be messing with that though, maybe I should stick with the calcium phosphate methode. Best be safe than... altering my genetic material, becoming contagious, and being sorry.


When I worked in a municipal water quality lab, our cultures were sent certified by the US Gov't (EPA)

If you do go with Carolina and want to get something kind of dicey, make up a fake laboratory letter head, send a snail-mail invoice and postal money order... if it is something truly dangerous, this will only get you in trouble.

I'm sorry, I worked as a Lab tech at a community college and a water lab and I'm ignorant of other suppliers.

That's okay, this website looks great. Thanks alot. I'll be throwing more questions at you in the future lol.

[OrionzRevenge]

...
I'll be throwing more questions at you in the future lol.

Sounds fun, Rino might be someone to chat up as well.

[nonperson]

Do you think we can keep this thread going until 3D displays become common? It will help with all the pretty pictures.

[OrionzRevenge]

Do you think we can keep this thread going until 3D displays become common? It will help with all the pretty pictures.

It might be the only way to view a Simpatico Magnus of 200 foci. Keyhubs only offers up to 10 interrelating foci for free.

Another area I must profess profound ignorance of...
anybody got the software to do 200 foci?
..... anybody?
Hello?!

[Zelda]

Though I'm still a forum newbie, I have been working my way through a lot of current and older threads (reading more than posting at this point), so I cast my votes for those whose threads and/or posts I have found quite fascinating to read during my membership to date. I would have voted for an additional couple of members, but the limit was 6 so I'm SOL there.

[Architectonic]

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