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giftedmadness@hotmail.com
29 Apr 2005, 04:02 AM
Sorry, I know I said I would never participate in discussions on this forum again, but I had a brilliant thought come to me today, or I thought of something brilliant, yeah that's it. Anyway, I will partly remain steadfast of my boycott, I will simply get this thread started and let you all discuss the idea.

Earlier, I posed the question to those who believe in reincarnation that maybe some of us come back as different personality types, or perhaps we experience the same one each time we are reborn.

This idea is along the same lines, but with regards to a final judgement by our Creator. This assumes that you believe in God and that we will be judged for our actions. (Yes, even many Chrisitans believe we will be judged, even after receiving salvation, and will be rewarded for our actions accordingly). My question is this, if you were the Creator, and you created these 16 almost distinct personality types, would you have 16 different ways of judging a human being? For instance, an ESFJ would be more emotionally held accountable, while we would be more logically held accountable, and so on and so forth.

Your thoughts......

GM@HM.COM

Sir Isaac Lime
29 Apr 2005, 04:11 AM
Typing is a crude model (like all models) used to pinpoint general charecteristics of personality. Even assuming a Creator exists, and we were in turn created, it would be flaw to assume "He/She/It" created us using this model. The flaw? - confusing the map for the territory. It's like using a world map, and trying to find the "legend" beneath your feet.

But I guess the notion of being judged more subjectively then previously assumed by certain doctrines wouldn't be misplaced.

Sally
29 Apr 2005, 04:15 AM
We should crucify all blasphemers who would confuse human inadequacies and prejudices with the unfathomable Will of the Almighty.

snarled
29 Apr 2005, 04:17 AM
We should crucify all blasphemers who would confuse human inadequacies and prejudices with the unfathomable Will of the Almighty.

Do you go to hell for that?

Sally
29 Apr 2005, 04:19 AM
Attempting to contemplate the Unfathomable is an Offence against God.

Serotonin
29 Apr 2005, 05:07 AM
Anyway, I will partly remain steadfast of my boycott

Just like people are partly faithful to their spouses, and politicians and lawyers are partly truthful.

Dude, you can't justify your actions like that.

FWIW, I don't believe in a creator, and I think you've inadvertently touched on the reason why. Giving judgement would hold people to exactly the same criteria. If the church preached holding different people with differing personality types to different criteria, then you'd get people leaving christianity in droves.

CoHo
29 Apr 2005, 05:22 AM
My question is this, if you were the Creator, and you created these 16 almost distinct personality types, would you have 16 different ways of judging a human being?

Reason #591 as to why you don't drink bong water

Swift
29 Apr 2005, 11:01 AM
I think the standard of the Creator would be a set of values, ethics and morals, not some idealized Meyers-Briggs description.

Hypnos
29 Apr 2005, 11:17 AM
Attempting to contemplate the Unfathomable is an Offence against God.
Hmmm, maybe I should quit my job. ;)

Wilde Mutton
29 Apr 2005, 12:35 PM
How do we know what is unfathomable if we donīt comtemplate it? What do you mean by "unfathomable" (are you referring to objects of study in which after some amount of inquiry progress seems impossible, or to the kind of unfathomable we first recognise and later perceive to be more approachable, or to philosophical questions which throughout history have puzzled us and hence could, by someone who believes in the power of historical evidence, i.e. induction, and the voice of the majority, be classified as unfathomable, or better yet, to something which we ourselves have been pondering that then stumps us, either so that we know of someone achieving some results which could be valid and sound or just valid but unproven as to soundness, or as far as we are concerned no one else has figured out yet?) Are we given knowledge of what is unfathomable, either by some external force such as this God of yours (if by "God" you meant an external force and not an idea incorporated in you and in the world, as one could deduce by your statement that research is "an offence against God" [by the by, what exactly is your definition of an offence - are we talking about sins here or some separate category of wrong-doing?]), or by a "lumen naturale", such as I believe Descartes meant when he talked about an ability which he trusted above all other sources of knowledge and that couldnīt be proven wrong by any other source - i.e. seeing that some things are obvious by virtue of their nature, like algebraic axioms to a Platonist - or must we be oblivious to what unfathomable things actually are on account of that, too, being unfathomable?

MacGuffin
29 Apr 2005, 01:50 PM
This reminds me of an old joke related by Anne Lamott I read recently in Salon.com:


There's an old joke about a man who is being shown around heaven for the first time, by St. Peter, who walks around pointing out the various glories where people of all colors and ethnic persuasions live -- grassy hills, green meadows, still waters, symphony halls, silent spaces, steep hillsides for people who want to hike to the mountaintops or the ponds, and so on. Then they come upon a great walled fortress.

"What on earth is that?" asks the man. "Oh," says St. Peter. "That's where the fundamentalists live. It's not heaven for them if they think anyone else got in."

MaroonBells
29 Apr 2005, 02:08 PM
This idea is along the same lines, but with regards to a final judgement by our Creator. This assumes that you believe in God and that we will be judged for our actions. (Yes, even many Chrisitans believe we will be judged, even after receiving salvation, and will be rewarded for our actions accordingly). My question is this, if you were the Creator, and you created these 16 almost distinct personality types, would you have 16 different ways of judging a human being? For instance, an ESFJ would be more emotionally held accountable, while we would be more logically held accountable, and so on and so forth.GM@HM.COM

I disagree on all accounts. There's no god, no salvation, no judgment.
Personality types are a classification method for preferences nothing more.

Sir Isaac Lime
29 Apr 2005, 03:06 PM
This reminds me of an old joke related by Anne Lamott I read recently in Salon.com:

Haha, awesome. I'll certainly be repeating this one in the future

PriorityLove
5 May 2005, 09:57 AM
This idea is along the same lines, but with regards to a final judgement by our Creator. This assumes that you believe in God and that we will be judged for our actions. (Yes, even many Chrisitans believe we will be judged, even after receiving salvation, and will be rewarded for our actions accordingly). My question is this, if you were the Creator, and you created these 16 almost distinct personality types, would you have 16 different ways of judging a human being? For instance, an ESFJ would be more emotionally held accountable, while we would be more logically held accountable, and so on and so forth.

Your thoughts......

GM@HM.COM

There are other personality type systems out there that do not have these 16 types. But they often come to many of the same conclusions. Whether this type stuff is completely legit or not different people defenitely have different pesonalities, and different strengths and weaknesses. So when God judges us he will take into account our strengths and weaknesses. But this does not mean that he will judge different types differently. God will use the exact same PRINCIPALS when judging everone. And just in case you are wondering I don't think anything I just said contradicts anything in the Bible.